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Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery

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Breaking news from the Chron.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/02/26/sports/s120824S63.DTL&type=sports

San Francisco Giants shortstop Omar Vizquel will undergo arthroscopic surgery on his injured left knee.

The 11-time Gold Glove winner is expected to miss four-to-five weeks. Vizquel tested his knee on the field again Tuesday but said the pain was too much to handle. Vizquel will have the operation to repair his torn cartilage on Wednesday in the Bay Area.

Manager Bruce Bochy plans to use Kevin Frandsen at shortstop while the 40-year-old Vizquel is sidelined.

So, who plays short now?

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Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I like Omar, but anything that reduces the chance of his vesting option for 09 is probably a very good thing.

by mxmob33 on Feb 26, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Agreed.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
brian couldnt have actually thought that omar at age 43 in 09 would be better than velez, frandsen, and buriss........well it is sabean we are talking about here
"But if he's swinging at real flies, well, in that case there are two definite solutions: 1) Fresno 2) Ritalin." - howtheyscored

by CPGiant756 on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Does this mean he misses the next four to five weeks (pretty  much all of spring training) or the first four to five weeks of the season?

by sakbaum on Feb 26, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
The article says he should miss the first week of the season, at the most. Doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe that, plus 3 or 4 minor league games before he joins the team?
The 2008 San Francisco Giants: Years of neglected rebuilding, continued.

by jasomack on Feb 26, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I guess this means Optimism Day is over.... somebody better tell Grant.
"I wear U.S.A. on my chest,... I'm an easy person to find" - R. Clemens

by Whipping Boy on Feb 26, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Royce Clayton. Neifi Perez. Jose Vizcaino. The possibilities are endless.

by Evan on Feb 26, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I know this is supposed to be funny, but the reality of it is fraking scary.
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 26, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Never thought I would have Adam Everett envy.  Gee thanks Sabean.

by daveinexile on Feb 26, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I hear Shawon Dunston is available, and he's already in camp. How convenient.

by rightcenterfielder on Feb 27, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I was going to make a comment about his awesome jack in game 6 of the '02 series, but then I would have to shoot myself in the foot for bringing up that godawful game. Maybe I'll do it anyway to drain away the pain.
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 27, 2008 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Sounds like Frandsen. According to Boch, anyway.

Which means Ortmeier gets every AB at first, Durham is every day at second, Aurilia is every day at third, and Velez is utility. And then, I guess, no more infielders.

Or it would be that way if the season started sooner than 4-5 weeks from now.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
If no more infielders, we're probably looking at a chance to have all of our 3 young outfielders make the opening day roster.  Omar will probably be on the fence as to whether he'll be able to start or not on opening day.  Either that or we'll drag an Ochoa/Leone up for a week or so.
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by WalrusMan on Feb 26, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Frandsen was almost unwatchable at SS last year. I really hope that's not the solution.

by mxmob33 on Feb 26, 2008 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I'm OK with

1B Ort
2B Durham
SS Velez
3B Frandsen

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by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Oh God, that defense is gonna be atrocious.
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 26, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Don't worry. The SPEED will balance it out.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
And...more Frandsen = More Gritty Warrior Swagger.

I'm all a-tingle.

That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 26, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Yeah but I guess it could work out to be better in the long term. I actually did kinda wanna see Velez get a fair shot.  And maybe they'll call Burris or Ochoa to split it with him.

by boonitez on Feb 26, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Oh yeah, looking at the long-term view this is a good idea.

But seriously.  That's some bad defense.

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 26, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
But I thought the best offense was a bad defense. Isn't that what we want?
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Howie is freakin in Midseason Open Gameday Thread form.

by E Ticket on Feb 26, 2008 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Frandsen at short should have been happening anyway.

by rotorueter on Feb 26, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I disagree. Say what you want about getting the young guys playing time, shortstop is the toughest position on the field, and it's not where you want to just slot somebody in. Watching Frandsen try to pull it off at the big league level in the past made me cringe. I wish Franny well, but he's no SS.

by BigO on Feb 26, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Oh no you don't. His lack of quickness will be embarrassing to watch and will make old timers pine for Johnnie LeMaster.

by E Ticket on Feb 26, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
What about Justin Speier's dad?
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by victor frankenstein on Feb 27, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
If Sabean doesn't sign any 3B, I can definitely see a scenario in which Frandsen has to start at 2B, 3B and SS at the same time.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 26, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Who says there's no youth movement?
2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Feb 26, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Seriously - Vizquel is already injured, Durhams is just a human groin waiting to be pulled, and Aurilia  spent allot of last year on the DL. We could be fielding an infield of Frandsens in no time.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 26, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
"Durham is just a human groin waiting to be pulled..."

Although, that could describe a lot of us.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

A Spelling Mistake?
You, of all people? I clearly said Durhams.

by notgroug on Feb 26, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Spelling Mistake?
I guess this mystery is solved.
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 26, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Spelling Mistake?
And my user revealing genius tactics are revealed!
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Spelling Mistake?
It was fun while it lasted. And in my defense, I made it very clear that I'm not you. Especially for people who bothered to read my bio.  

by notgroug on Feb 27, 2008 5:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Fielding Frandsen at 2B, SS & 3B means we can have two extra fielders playing CF. It's all working out for Sabean, just as he planned.

by Scottsdale on Feb 26, 2008 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
sadly this probably only increases the likelihood of a crede trade
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Feb 26, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Yeah, it's set up perfectly now. They add Juan Uribe to the deal to sweeten it up for Sabes...ugh
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by sfgreg on Feb 26, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Worse
It increases the bounty which Sabean will pay, by dramatically decreasing the Giants bargaining leverage.

Bye bye, Generalissimo Sanchez. FWIW, I really liked the cut of your jib.

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by hairball on Feb 26, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
"We'll decide who plays shortstop, thank you very much!"


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by sfgreg on Feb 26, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
"In the case of 'Who Will Play Shortstop Now?' the jury decides in favor of... BIG AURILIA PARTY!!!"
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
HAHAHAHAHAH...But who is the guy driving?
"Have you come to stick a knife in my corpse?".

by Ghost11 on Feb 26, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Richie's about the only guy with slicked back hair that I've seen that doesn't look like a complete deuchebag.
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 26, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

deuchebag
I keep reading this as "Deutschebag" and wondering if you're referring to a German douchebag.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 26, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: deuchebag
Douchebag is it?

::Makes mental note::

Like I said, Aurilia is no douchebag.

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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 26, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
That looks like Michael Tucker behind him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 26, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
It is the dawning of Eugenio.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 26, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars       
Then peace will guide the planets       
And the team will be without Omar.

This is the dawning of the Age of Eugenio!
Age of Eugenio!
Eugenio! Eugenio!

Harmony and understanding
Ankle sprains, pulled groins abounding
No more veterans blocking Davis
Frandsen and Lewis, all they crave is
Mystic tendon revelation       
And positional liberation   
Eugenio! Eugenio!

This is the dawning of the Age of Eugenio!
Age of Eugenio!
Eugenio! Eugenio!

Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in!
Let the sun shine, Let the sun shine in
The sun shine in!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
You complete me.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 26, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Beautiful words.
Does this mean Omar will go straight back to starting SS after his rehab?
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by GreenLightJerky on Feb 26, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Age of Eugenio
"mystic tendon revelation"? Brilliant, Garrett!
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 26, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
HowTheyScored, that was damn hilarious.  You got the meter right and everything.  I think you should record a version of it (preferably in the style of the ending of 'The 40-Year-Old Virgin,' but I leave that to your discretion) and post it on here.  I would personally reward you in any way you name, up to and including tossing a couple of interns your way.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Feb 26, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
If playing Rock Band has taught me anything, it's that 1) I can play guitar at a medium level, 2) I can also drum at a medium level, 3) I can also vocalize at a medium level, and 4) vocalizing at a medium level means jack because I sound like crap when I do it.

I don't think I could subject anybody but my girlfriend to that....

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Girlfriend, you say?
Hmm... I can sing and drum pretty mediumly, too... would she like to meet a mayor?
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Feb 26, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Girlfriend, I say?
Actually, part of the reason she got with me was because I'm not a mayor, so you'd have a pretty tough sell.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Girlfriend, I say?
Guess she hasn't seen the election results yet.
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by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Girlfriend, I say?
Probably not. I mean, she is blind.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

DAMN Gavin Newsom.
That guy has really put the rest of us in a bad light.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Feb 26, 2008 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU HE HASN'T PLAYED SS IN HIS LIFE WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME?!?!?1!seven!!

by notgroug on Feb 26, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Trade some thing not in the trash bin for a year of Crede or Nate at a keystone position. Man that is just too harsh a choice to be allowed by Geneva Convention.

by daveinexile on Feb 26, 2008 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I HOPE this doesn't make it more likely to deal for Crede. A season of Crede because we're missing out on a couple weeks of Vizquel?

Question: if he's out for 5 weeks, he's healthy on April 1st. Since he'll have missed Spring Training, he'll have to go on some kind of longer-than-normal rehab program. So are we talking third week of April? Fourth? May? What is the best historical comparison out there?

The 2008 San Francisco Giants: Years of neglected rebuilding, continued.

by jasomack on Feb 26, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Thank you Brian. This is just getting better & better every day.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Feb 26, 2008 1:09 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Since no one else on this thread has done so yet...

"OMG, I can't believe one of our players OVER THE AGE OF 35 is injured! WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING!?!?!?"

</sarcasm>

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Feb 26, 2008 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
For a while I was like "What in the world is Kitspool talking about, this was totally predictable!" Then I got to the end and saw the closing tag. Seriously, dude, the auto-format won't register the sarcasm font aura if you forget your opening tag.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
If it were an actual good player I'd be curious if this is an injury that just happened or he came into camp with. Especially considering he's in his 40s and was playing winter ball.

by mxmob33 on Feb 26, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
That was what I was wondering. Is this something he knew about all winter, and was just hoping it would get better with a winter of rest? And did Sabean know his medical condition when he re-signed Dreamy?
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 26, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I blame optimism week.
I read the news today oh, boy

by SF Pete on Feb 26, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

Plus One.
Did I do it right?
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by WalrusMan on Feb 26, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Plus One.
No, but it was a bold attempt.

by Moggeee on Feb 26, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
ummm....how does someone injure his knee in the offseason?

by bacci40 on Feb 26, 2008 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
He was washing Jeff Kent's truck.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Washing a dude's truck is what you do right before you bandwagon him, right?
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by multiphasic on Feb 26, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

TMI!
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Punctuation edit
I believe you omitted the quotation marks around 'truck.'
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Feb 26, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Punctuation edit
It was an honest mistake.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
All this means to me, is that it's more and more likely we'll see Crede in a Giant's uniform as the season starts.

by Adam @ McCovey Chronicles on Feb 26, 2008 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Well, that'll cost us the division.
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 26, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Sorry, couldn't resist...
Joe Crede, who was nursing a bruised hand, went 0-for-2 in an intrasquad game on Tuesday.
Crede's hand is fine now, and he reportedly looked good defensively in his first game action since back surgery in June

Per rotoworld

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by sfgreg on Feb 26, 2008 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
The JUGS pitching machine that twice K'd Crede in the intrasquad game declined to speak with the media afterwards.
Eagerly awaiting Crazy Crab Bobblehead Night on 7/18.

by Kitspool on Feb 26, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
So, who will it be for Crede? Fred Lewis? Erick Threets? Will Sabean cave and throw in Merkin Valdez as well? If Sabean plays this shrewdly, he could lift Crede & Konerko  from the ChiSox, and suddenly the Giants would be instant contenders.
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Feb 26, 2008 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
This is a joke right? Either way, I'm not amused.
The 2008 San Francisco Giants: Years of neglected rebuilding, continued.

by jasomack on Feb 26, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Who's on first
I don't give a damn plays shortstop...
At least it's baseball season.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 26, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Who's on first
I don't think the Giants do either.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Who's on first
As opposed to Nobody Cares.

by E Ticket on Feb 26, 2008 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Calling all shortstops!
Why do people think this will increase the chances of SF trading for Crede? This seems to magnify the fact that the Giants do not really have a suitable replacement at SS this season. With the renewed emphasis on pitching and defense I would be greatly surprised if SF opened the season with Frandsen as the starting SS because he cannot handle the position. Scour the waiver wire and minor deals for a defensive minded replacement. Turn some of the out of option players into trade bait.

by wilriv21 on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Calling all shortstops!
Do you have any real idea what that would do for Team Chemistry?...Do you?...You might as well kiss that 100th win season ....good-bye.
"Have you come to stick a knife in my corpse?".

by Ghost11 on Feb 26, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
here's a vote for Ochoa to hold the space for Omar.  Looked adequate in AAA.  Hit several solid base hits the one Fresno game I saw last year.  Probly gets the job in 09 anyway as it's too soon for Burris/Bocock/Schoop/ etc., so a bigleague preview is a good thing.
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by foothillsfan on Feb 26, 2008 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Sold!
The 2008 San Francisco Giants: Years of neglected rebuilding, continued.

by jasomack on Feb 26, 2008 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

+1
His bat isn't ready, but his defense is.

by wcw on Feb 26, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: +1
I seem to recall a pretty good SS we brought up for his glove back in '87, even know his bat wasn't ready.

by mortimer on Feb 26, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I have to ask, Omar doesn't have a motorcycle does he?

by NuschlersDip on Feb 26, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
No, but he does have some wallabies...
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 26, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
I don't think this affects the Crede deal, because Crede is coming here anyway. As for Sabean, didn't the last few years teach him anything?? Why did he sign Omar in the first place?? At least this probably lets us out of the second year, although I wouldn't put it past Sabean to sign him again at a lower price.
Randy Messenger's biggest fan, although I will drop him like a hot potato when we get Joe Crede

by rxmeister on Feb 26, 2008 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
This has got to be a MLB record of some sort. Heck it's not even March yet. They haven't played a game. Do they keep Stats on the earliest a Starting Player has been injured requiring surgery?
"I wear U.S.A. on my chest,... I'm an easy person to find" - R. Clemens

by Whipping Boy on Feb 26, 2008 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

I've got a pretty big name here
How about when Bonds missed almost all of 2005 when his crackpot surgeon kept re-infecting him with that unwashed steak knife he used in three knee surgeries, beginning in, like January?

by Moggeee on Feb 26, 2008 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I've got a pretty big name here
That crackpot surgeon would prefer things if you referred to it as a "performance-enhancing" knife.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 26, 2008 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Something about the way things are going tells me the team is aiming to record one win this season for each year they've been in San Francisco.  
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Feb 27, 2008 8:20 AM PST reply actions  

There we go...
It's all been building up to this marketing ploy! Oh, Sabes...you sly little ferrett.
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 27, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
Can we justify the rise of Velez by saying it will keep either Ray Durham or Rich Aurilia out of the starting lineup everyday? I think that should be a + to velez' case to start at 2B or short. If it helps the marketing, the moment velez gets to 50 SB, we can bench him
Praying nightly that the annual Giants horrid FA pickup is avoided this time around.

by Speedforthewin on Feb 27, 2008 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Omar Out 4-5 Weeks With Knee Surgery
While I agree that Frandsen is no shortstop, I think Bochy might play him there during ST just to ensure he and Durham both get the maximum number of ABs.  After all, this competition at 2B is going to be about hitting; the team knows what it has as far as their defense goes.

It would give Frandsen the chance to prove his bat is ready to start and give Durham the chance to prove that 2007 was a fluke.

Hoping tk's recovery is faster than Raj going from first to third!

by Goofus on Feb 27, 2008 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

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