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Flukes

I received an e-mail yesterday that pointed out that I was being a negative twit. The negativity is something I noticed on my own right before hitting the "post" button yesterday. The official mood of the site is "sullen teenager." It'll get old if it hasn't already. So if the Giants have a chance to lose 100 games, then it would make sense to mix in a positive post for every two negative posts. That'd be the blogging equivalent to a .333 winning percentage, and even the Giants can promise better than that.

But it'll be easy to get burned out on flowery sonnets to Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum. Best to save those for after their dominant games. By my count, there should be 64 such games between them this year, and I'll run out of adjectives.

One of the worst things about the 2007 season was the total and complete lack of fluke offensive performances. Offensive Fluke of the Year winners, since 1997:

1997 - J.T. Snow
1998 - Joe Carter, post-trade
1999 - Marvin Benard, pre-contract
2000 - Ellis Burks, post-cartilage
2001 - Rich Aurilia
2002 - Benito Santiago, post-butt syringes
2003 - Marquis Grissom
2004 - J.T. Snow
2005 - Randy Winn, post-trade
2006 - Ray Durham
2007 - ?

The above performances ranged from historically great (Aurilia) to pleasantly satisfying (Benard), but they all kind of came out of nowhere. No matter what happened in their respective seasons, when those players are brought up in the context of those seasons, the memories are good ones. You could look back after the season and say, "Wow. Didn't expect that."

Every player hit to expectations or below for the 2007 Giants. It was amazing. Rajai Davis might be the best choice, but he had limited at-bats and was buried at the end of the bench by September.

So here's to your "Wow. Didn't expect that."-season from a hitter. Last year I guessed it would be Todd Linden. I also lost $40 on a Twins-Devil Rays game in Lake Tahoe last year. I'm not sure why I was betting on it in the first place. I didn't have a good prognosticating year. Possibilities for this year, though:

  • Aaron Rowand repeating his great year
  • Any of the wretched players from '07 (Aurilia/Durham/Vizquel) bouncing back
  • One - just one, please - youngish player establishing himself (Lewis/Schierholtz/Davis/Ortmeier/Frandsen)

There are a bunch of options, probably because we don't really expect a lot from anyone. Expecting nothing has its advantages. I'm going with a fantastic year from Rajai Davis, even if his minor league stats don't support a continuation of his 2007 numbers. He's in a good spot, as his right-handedness will assure him a good chunk of playing time in a platoon role. He's my pick to hit better than expected, which would make him a pretty sweet trade chip to dangle after the 2008 season. He'd be a trade chip because we'll have Rowand in center until 2013. Must...continue...with...optimistic...thoughts....

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Re: Flukes
I'm going with Frandsen. He's actually young, and he's gritty with a warrior spirit. I think he's going Dustin Pedoria for us (and yes, I know Dustin has a better pedigree) and will hit .310/.360/.450
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"

by senorvegas on Feb 19, 2008 7:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I, too, think Frandsen will have a big year. Besides  his hot hitting at the end of last year, he looks like he's in great shape, and he wants the job. Plus, he's one of my personal favorites.

by raisingcain on Feb 19, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
He took a baseball to the face his rookie year, I respect that so I'll pick Frandsen too... I think Lewis has a real breakout possibility but he won't get the ab's because Boch seems to have a man crush on Raj.
I hope we find out someday that Jeff Kent did steroids

by lincysgiants on Feb 19, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
REalistically all 3 of those things could happen! The glass is half full!

My pic is visquel having a bounce back year, Lewis establishing himself.

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by GreenLightJerky on Feb 19, 2008 7:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
2007- Bengie Molina (near career highs in almost everything).
2008- Nate Schierholtz (if not now, when? if not him, who?)
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Feb 19, 2008 7:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Bengie Molina career OPS+ : 86.
Bengie Molina 2007 OPS+ : 86.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Dingers.
Clutchness.
He's "firey".

by xanthan on Feb 19, 2008 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bengie's just marking time here
When they interview Molina on TV, I always get the feeling he's really an Angel. Kinda like when the camera was on Edgardo (keyword "definitely"), he was always a Met, pretending to be a Giant.

These guys mouth platitudes, and wait for the weekly paycheck.

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Matt Cain will hit 10 HRs when he finally gets tired of having no run support.

I'd like to see Frandsen do something but his GB% from 2007 was a little scary.

by xanthan on Feb 19, 2008 7:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I'm going with Ortmeier.  Maybe because no one else will, and I want to be able to say I told you so.

by achiappanza on Feb 19, 2008 8:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
On the Major League roster, I'll say Brian Wilson.

In the Minors, it's Tim Alderson.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Feb 19, 2008 8:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Forgot to add offensive player.

Umm, Dan Ortmeier.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Feb 19, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Is it sad that I assumed they were your offensive choices and never thought twice about it?
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I predict a breakout/flukey .302/.398/.460 year from Fred Lewis, where he hits 25 dingers -- 18 of them at Coors Field. Fred, consider yourself jinxed!
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Feb 19, 2008 8:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I think Correia will surprise everyone (except for Goofus). Oh wait - "offensive season". umm.... I guess Schierholz could start walking a bit more and become a prett god RF.
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why not
Freddie Lew? I'd like to see someone push Dave Roberts out the door, and I think an upstart (damn I hate the overuse of that word) Lewis or Rajai can do the trick.

From the pitching side, this is the year of J-Snatch.

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.

by oooreebay on Feb 19, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Why not
Actually I would rather see someone throw Carpetbagger Boy on a train back to Whalevaginaville

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I say the biggest surprise will be the "Big German", Dan Ortmeier.

After taking a beating by the fans and being told over and over by Glenn Dickey that he "isn't a major league player", Ortmeier posts some respectable numbers of .285/.350/.465 with an OPS of .815. At which point he even bats fourth in the lineup for the Giants.

He hits over 20 bombs and steals almost 20 bags. Oh, and after working with JT, surprises most of all with his above average defense at first.

As for comeback player?  It's got to be Ray Ray given it's a contract year for him. Of course he has his best success in 2008 after he is traded to the Reds at the trading deadline for a prospect or two.

How's that for optimism?

by 22TheThrill on Feb 19, 2008 8:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Ortmeier strikes out once every four abs. He walks once every 20 ABs. Glenn Dickey is spot on I'm afraid.

Like your optimism though. It seems actually genuine and not a piece of spin from some pr flack wannabe.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I also choose the Big German

for the fluky offensive performance.

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fluke offensive season?
So I'm picking the guy most likely to say racist things and come down with a case of worms?

Gosh, this IS hard.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I'm going to go with Ortmeier. No logical reason, I just have a good feeling about him. Of course, I also had a good feeling about Durham last season...
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Thats the problem with you Lowell nerds. Too much feeling and not enough thinking. Think Dood! Think!
Use the left side of your brain for baseball. Use the right side for your artwork.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Thinking is hard.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Afraid I wouldn't know. I am to critical thinking what Kevin Frandsen is to MLB infielders

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

E flirts with Einstein
In Walrus' photo contest, Frandsen was Durham's secret gay lover.

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: E flirts with Einstein
i had to think bout that for a minute.

you're a very sick individual. not to worry though. its treatable as I can attest to thereof and so forth.

by E Ticket on Feb 20, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
JT did it twice...why not Aurilia? He gets my vote.

Runner-up: Durham. He loves his contract seasons.

by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I agree that Aurilia is most likely to be the 2008 Flukie Award winner.  

by Skaldheim on Feb 19, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though...
What is Ellis Burks doing these days? He can probably still play a little CF, right?

by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2008 9:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Kevin Frandsen goes on a streak where he just rakes, hitting home runs and driving in runs like crazy and celebrates by peeling off his shirt and running around the field.

Or he can just take off his shirt. I don't mind.

Wait we're supposed to be serious? Maybe Durham has a year comparable to 2006, offensively.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Arggh.

Two things.

Put down the hallucinogens.
Change your eyewear prescription.

Yes. Its true. I hate Kevin Frandsen the same way I hated Lance Niekro. The same way I hate all nepotism patronage politics; especially in sports, the last refuge for those with warrior spirit, grit, and swagger.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
E my dear, I'm being flip. And objectifying men. Come on, you should know my schtick by now.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
As was I BVC, as was I. And I most certainly know your shtick and look forward to more of it. It is certainly more entertaining than the press releases and imbecilic scribblings emanating from the knaves, fools, and MSM sycophants in MSM.

As an asidem and on a related note, I am hoping you are going to do more interviews with players, coaches, and others involved in baseball. At whatever level. You could be the next Susan Slusser imho. (that is meant as a high compliment btw)

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
duh........ "Spring Training" not "MSM"

I haf thsi retardote kiyboart.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
So, E, could you help a poor ignorant fool out?  When you say Kevin Frandsen is the beneficiary of nepotism (this is the second time I've seen you mention this), what are you referring to?  Is his dad in the organization or something?  Or just a former major leaguer like your other example, Niekro?
Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Rags being a friend of the family maybe?
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Yes. Franny is an awesome brother to his siblings. Personal family tragedies form bonds of commonality along with a deep abiding love of baseball all the time. For some it is the breath of life and gives life meaning. Here it has been misplaced at the major league level.

Its not that I want Frandsen to be denied. It is that I want a more deserving player to be recognized. Frandsen is very deserving and has earned a spot in the culture of baseball and could be a great contributor on many different levels. Anything from coach, motivational speaker, community representative, player agent, and so on.  Major League infielder does not appear to be one of those positions.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
You're still being extremely ambiguously circumlocutive. That whole first paragraph means something, but it reads more like a universal message than anything that has to do with Frandsen...

Except that maybe since Frandsen is a good brother the Giants want to start him? But that doesn't make any sense to me... what personal family tragedy? What does it have to do with the Giants? Why is Frandsen getting his chance because of it? Not to jump on you or anything, but like thehavenot, I don't know what "nepotism" you're talking about, and all of this indirect double speak has me fairly confused.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Okay. I mistakenly assumed that you as a follower of all people, places and things, black and orange would have been familiar with the Frandsen Rags relationship.  

Frandsen credits his brother with inspiration to play MLB.  It was during this time as neighbors that the Frandsens made friends with the Righetti's. Rags has triplet girls who were born with debilitating birth defects.

Hence the bond. If you've experienced something like this, then you will understand the bond that can be formed. It can be stronger than blood.

Clearer now?

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Much clearer. Thanks for the explanation.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Always glad to elucidate for one of my idols and fellow Gameday Thread commentator. :D

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(Sound of Heavy Breathing)
Did I hear Gameday Thread?

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MUST HAVE GAMEDAY THREAD
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Feb 20, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Hey, I'm asking the questions around here, okay?  Oh, wait, was that an answer to my query in the form of a question?  Hey, this ain't Jeopardy!  

Anyway, thanks for banishing my Frandsen-nepotism-ignorance.

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I also hope I can do more interviews with players, coaches, etc. this year. Obviously it'll be easier for me to do this when I move to San Jose next year. Right now it's tough to juggle my classes this semester and sportswriting stuff. I'm taking a sabbatical for eight weeks in the summer to knock out a stupid math class I need for San Jose State. After that, I'm back! And when I hit SJSU you'll just have to share me with the Spartan Daily News.

And you are too kind. I'll take being Lisa Winston's lackey, but the Ms. Slusser comp is way better than anything PECOTA could come up with. :)

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Susan Slusser on the print side and Robin Roberts on the broadcast side are the two with whom I am most familiar. There is no envy of accomplishment.  No raging self-aggrandizing warrior spirit to overcome. But rather a deep interest in mining their subjects for insight, and meaningfulness in a fair and objective context.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Old skool
I've liked Robin Roberts for a long time. Lesley Visser is one of my favorites too.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

too NEGATIVE?
This post reminds me of, like, republican pundits saying the media doesn't post enough stories about what's going "right" in Iraq.  Whatever.  It's a blood for oil quagmire, and prentending otherwise just belittles us all.

There is NO logical reason to suggest that anyone on this team will do better than they did last year.  And plenty of good reasons they will do worse.

I don't think you're being a negative twit, G, I think the Giants Mgmt has built a legit stinker.  And this is what it looks like when those who are paying attention hold their collective noses.

I don't pick any position player to have a standout year, and even if they do, the team will still lose way more games than it wins.

And when one remembers HOW MUCH MONEY mgmt makes to field this stinker, when one remembers that mgmt keeps trying to put lipstick on this pig, when mgmt says nothing like OUR BAD, well, I get indignant.

Until there is accountability on the part of Giants mgmt, my response will be to stay cynical, outraged (relatively speaking) and to keep my wallet closed.

Love your Giants, but fear the mgmt.

"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: too NEGATIVE?
The "E" Force is strong with The Gene Hackman. Feel the Cynicism and Hatred. (cue Darth Vader Breathing Machine)

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: too NEGATIVE?
Together we can end this destructive conflict and bring a batting order to the Galaxy...
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: too NEGATIVE?
that said, I'm looking forward to watching Fred Lewis.
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: too NEGATIVE?
Size matters not. Look at Lincecum. Judge him by his size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For his ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds the Giants young pitchers and binds them. Luminous beings are they, not this crude matter (that constitutes the rest of the team).
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by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

General Manager Greivous to Fred Lewis
"I was expecting someone with your reputation to be a little... older.  Bench!"
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: General Manager Greivous to Fred Lewis
Our general manager is grievous indeed.

Pity that our "grievous" a) isn't cool and bionic, and b) can't be easily destroyed by young masters Lincekin and Cainobi.

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by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: too NEGATIVE?
Yes. But why does the batting order have to wear that Baseball Gawds damned shade of baby blue?

by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I can go with Rajai Davis. Just because he is a very good natural athlete with great speed.  

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I'll get sh*t for this, but oh well:  Dave Roberts.

The guy was hurt & recovering in the first half of 2007.  In the 2nd half he hit .291/.362/.388.  Not exactly all-star caliber, but now that he's only going to face righties (hopefully) I expect most of those #'s to rise.  And he'll be over in left so we won't be complaining about his routes as much.

ducks

So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit.

by ResDog on Feb 19, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
If Dave Roberts plays more than 120 games, it'll be a fluke...
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Wilson ... Correia ... Wilson ... Correia.  Why the Hell not both for break out season! Say 20+ starts, over 140 innings,  around a 4.25 ERA with no serious injuries for Correia. Say 25 Saves out of 34 chances for Wilson with most of those 9 coming in learning type situations ( ie No you can't just throw gas  past Pujols)

Offensive fluke of the year is harder. ( Here comes the trash talkin' time.)  You have to play the field enough to bat and Bochy loves  heaps of those Marvin the Martian approved, Sabean perfected,  Illudium Q-36 Savvy Veteran Evaluator approved guys. ( Were is the team shattering kaboom? There is suppose to be a team shattering kaboom. ) Say Aurilia with a 268/345/390 line in 400+ AB`s. Mainly due to not having to run him out there every day for the first 2.5 months just to have a line up card.

by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 9:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I know it's been said many times already, but I think Fluke '08 will be Frandsen. He has the kind of offensive game that can really benefit from a luck-borne spike in BABIP. .330/.380/.460.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Feb 19, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
This is by far the best reason I've seen given so far (logical, well reasoned) - and I gave some pretty compelling reasons in my comment!
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
The best reason for Franny to have a break-out year is that he is a Bellarmine Bell.  
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Yeah.

"Yo quiero Bellarmine Bell"

With a side of refritos and corn on the cob.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Hasn't worked so well for Mr. Burrell, has it? PADRES!!!!

by Xdrakemanx on Feb 19, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Allow me to explain:

The reason that Pat Burrell slugs well and drives in as many runs as he does is that he is a Bellarmine Bell.

The reason he strikes out all the time and has a lifetime .256 average must be because he's from Arkansas.

Sadly, he would still be the best hitter on our team.

"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Can't argue with that logic, other than to say #25 has 760+ jacks is because he was a Padre.

by Xdrakemanx on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I didn't konw he was a Bell!  

After this year Burrell is a free agent... we might have TWO Bells on the team then.

I miss Wendell Kim's sprinting to 3rd base.

by hummbaby on Feb 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I'm surprised so many people went with Ortmeier. I'm not surprised that so many of them had no idea why. I'll give a few, and Ortmeier will be one of them, and there will be a reason. So,  Ha! Take that everybody else!

Best option for a fluke breakout season:


Dan Ortmeier
Reason: Of all the guys not currently in their "fell off that cliff" phase of elderly baseball, Ortmeier is the most likely to grab 600 ABs at a position where offense is a league premium. In other words, a breakout season from Ortmeier will mean more than a breakout season from anybody else. If Frandsen has a breakout season, he probably has it over 450 ABs, and he probably still only puts up 2B numbers. If Davis does, he probably has it over 300 ABs with a maximum of 5 HRs. If Lewis does, same, just one of those HRs is a grand slam. If Ortmeier has a breakout season, it will have to be a breakout season for a 1B (which means 20+ HRs and an .800 OPS!), and it will be over around 600 ABs. It will also solve our 1B problem. A breakout season from Ortmeier does the most for the team! It might even help us win games!

Most likely to have fluke breakout season:

Aaron Rowand, Rich Aurilia, Ray Durham, or Fred Lewis
Reasons: For Rowand a fluke breakout season would likely just match last year. He's already done that (and recently), so he could theoretically do it again. Same for Aurilia and Durham, just substitute "2006" for "last year." Fred Lewis because he's so damn toolsy if the damn thing would just click he'd have an awesome 250 plate appearances this year.

Most unexpected for a fluke breakout season:

Dave Roberts
Reasons: Because nobody suspects the Dave Roberts.

Most likely to get undeserved credit for a fluke breakout season from pundits and overzealous fans alike:

Benjie Molina
Reasons: Because it already happened last year when he had one of the worst seasons of his life at the plate and has been nothing but heralded for the effort. I expect a repeat performance!
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just to play Devil's ( Ortmeires) Advocate
In Defense of the Ortmeire predictions  who here really thinks of him as anything besides a back up Outfielder that could  back up first base as well as his ceiling?  I've not seen one post  were a person is strong advocating  Ortmeire as more then that on the MLB level  past this season. Basically Sabean and company is trying to create a home grown Mohr. Not necessarily a `04 Mohr (274/394/437 with OPS+ 115) more like a career line Mohr ( 249/322/422 OPS+92). So expecting First base starters MLB average numbers is a bit like comparing a kumquat to a cantaloupe.  

That being said I still say Rich. If we held a poll for "Veteran Most Likely to Kicked to the Curb first in '08 "  I beat you Aurilia would be in the top 2.

by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious at why you would pick
Ortmeier as your pick for best option, and your reasoning. A 1b with an OPS slightly above 800, ie what Ortmeier had last year, 814 OPS, is nothing special, and will not really solve the 1b problem. It would actually be below league average. With his baserunning, maybe he gets to around averge.

If Ortmeier only does what he did last year, but over 600 PAs, and doesn't have a Pena or Cust type breakout, he would still be only a cheap stop gap.

Fransen breaking out into an average 2b, would be more valuable than Ortmeier breaking out into a ~815 OPS 1b. An 815 OPS 1b is basically a Josh Phelps type.

by rfloh on Feb 19, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
I just used bad numbers, then. A fluke breakout season from Ortmeier would clearly have to be better than what I said above. I was just leaning on the ol' .800 OPS being a general benchmark for "good player." Good 1B is a bit of a different beast with the bat, and I should have been less hasty in my approach.

I'll be les stat-y and more accurate on account of it. If Ortmeier has the kind of season that is good for a 1B, it will be a better season than Frandsen having the kind of season that is good for a 2B or Davis or Lewis having the kinds of seasons that are good for speedy no power corner outfielders, AND he'll be able to have that kind of production over a greater number of at bats than any of the others.

It's a hell of a long-shot, but if Ort has a good season for a 1B, it will be more valuable to the team than these other guys breaking out at their respective positions - not only because he'll be hitting better than they would be but also because he'll be hitting more than they would be.

That's my reason. It kind of really really suprememly hinges on the fact that of "Frandsen, Davis, Lewis, and Ortmeier," Ort is the only one who I see as being remotely capable of slugging at a respectable rate.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
If Ortmeier has the kind of season that is good for a 1B, it will be a better season than Frandsen having the kind of season that is good for a 2B

I'm not sure I see the logic in here. Yeah, an average 1B hits better then a average 2B, but that doesn't make him more valuable to the team. Their value is identical - o runs above average.

You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
0 runs above average for their positions, yes, but Ortmeier's cumulative contribution would be greater than Frandsen's cumulative contribution. An average first baseman is more valuable offensively than an average second baseman. An average first baseman is not more valuable than another average first baseman, which is what 0 runs above average is measuring, but it is definitely more valuable than an average second baseman. This is where the idea of "average for a position" starts to become a bit of a fallacy, when you start thinking that the average for one position is a wash with the average for another.

In short, the team totals will be better if Ortmeier has an average season for his position than if Frandsen does. And if the team totals are better, then his value is greater.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
but there is D. Just as an average 1b is more valuable offensively, absolutely, than an average 2b, he is also less value valuable defensively, absolutely, than an average 2b.

Also, while the average 1b is more valuable offensively, absolutely, than the average 2b, the thing is these players do not play in vacuums.

The question is, is a 1b who is average for his position offensively, more difficult to replace than a 2b who is average for his position offensively?

I'm not sure if this is the case, even though OBP / OPS is now supposedly no longer an undervalued commodity; guys like Cust pre 2007, Pena pre 2007, Phelps, can be picked up cheaply.

Are comparable 2b types, ie somewhat below average, but still acceptable as stopgap starters, available as essentially free talent?

by rfloh on Feb 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Hmm
Yeah, I was pretty conspicuously ignoring defensive contribution here, but at least the reason isn't underhanded. The reason is that I just don't know how defense tips these scales. As replaceability goes, that's a great question you bring up and one that I hate to admit I also have no answer for due to simple lack of knowledge.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
In short, the team totals will be better if Ortmeier has an average season for his position than if Frandsen does

Again, I'm not sure that's true. I know an above average season for a 1B is worth more runs then an above average season for a 2B, but that's not the question, because all teams need both a 1B and 2B.  The question is what's better:

A)average 2B + above average 1B
or
B)average 1B + above average 2B

You claim option A is better. I say there the same, because it balances out. Above average 1B<above average 2B, but also average 1B<average 2B. therefor, A=B. <br>

You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
or, in our case:

a) average 2B + replacement-level 1B

or

b) average 1B + replacement-level 2B

by Evan on Feb 19, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I would say Schierholtz, except I don't think he'll get the opportunity to.  

I would love Freddie to, but I also doubt that he will get a genuine opportunity.

So I will say Rajai will be our fluke performer.  

And Jonathon will do it for the pitchers.

And, going out on a limb here, watch out for Billy Sadler.  

Maybe Sanchez and Sadler will help each other figure out their control problems?

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Since I haven't seen him mentioned, I'll go with Wandy Winn.  I saw flashes last year after an injury -plagued 2006.  

He's my candidate be more consistent and, if there's any truth to the theory that players can emerge from Bonds' shadow, I think Winn is a good candidate to do just that.  He also has a couple full seasons in the NL now, so he's familar with all the pitchers.

I'm predicting an OPS+ of 115, which would be his 3rd best offensive season, so it's not too crazy to imagine.

Hoping tk's recovery is faster than Raj going from first to third!

by Goofus on Feb 19, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Hey! I'm kicking the sand around here. Stop making teh sense.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PSA:Emo...the word is Emo
I'm pretty sure the new correct term for "Sullen Teenager" is emo.  I've never really quite understood what that term meant but I think I'm on the right track.

Anyhoo, I think it's safe to say that the official mood of the site is Emo and not Sullen Teenager.  

by Sigualicious on Feb 19, 2008 11:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: PSA:Emo...the word is Emo
The History of Emo on MCC
"natto is just weird and gross in smell, texture, and taste" - BVCE

by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone read that twaddle?
Someone remembered reading that twaddle?

Oh, and a sad note for anyone who read and remembered that twaddle--J Church, which I mentioned as being still around... well, since I wrote that, their frontman, Lance Hahn, passed away in Austin.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Someone read that twaddle?
I remembered it mostly because you said everything Revelation records put out was crap and I really liked Texas is the Reason.
"natto is just weird and gross in smell, texture, and taste" - BVCE

by SF Pete on Feb 20, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Not a whole lot of people around here seem to like Fred Lewis very much. I thought he did great with the few chances he had to show any promise at all.  From what I remember last season, he was pretty good in the clutch situations with men on base.  He was on pace to lead the team in RBI's if he'd gotten a full season's worth of AB's.  I think with a fair shot he could be pretty decent, at least better than Dave Roberts anyways.

So, yeah.  Freddie for '08
And I also thought Tyler Walker's recovery/Brian Wilson making it to the closer role were both pleasant suprises for '07.  No offensive suprises, though, besides Fred Lewis (at least I thought so) who only got like 100 AB's so it doesn't really count.

by boonitez on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Oh, and I think Durham will bounce back this year.  He needs to push for a contract somewhere, and will have plenty of motivation once they (though I feel it's a mistake) trade for Crede.  

Then in July we trade him to a playoff contender for a mid-level prospect (like Davis last year).  I can dream, ok?  

I miss Wendell Kim's sprinting to 3rd base.

by hummbaby on Feb 19, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
This is another dumb post!

First of all these guys had BARRY BONDS IN THE LINEUP HITTING BEHIND OR IN FRONT OF THEM - Oh yeah I forgot to mention Jeff Kent, Moises Alou and STEROIDS!

So these years for these guys weren't flukes..

  1. Snow had Bonds and Kent in the lineup.
  2. Joe Carter had Bonds, Snow and an even better Kent hitting in the same lineup
  3. Bernard did enough STEROIDS to make him a good player, which must have been a lot b/c he sucked balls!!!! Oh yeah, Bonds and Kent.
  4. Ellis Burk was a great hitter with BONDS, KENT and Snow in the lineup!
  5. STEROIDS, Bonds, Kent in the lineup and more Steroids!
  6. Grissom - Bonds, Kent, other Steroid Freaks in the lineup!
  7. STEROIDS, Bonds
  8. STEROIDS, Bonds
  9. STEROIDS, Bonds
  10. Moises Alou, Durham was actually healthy.
  11. No Steroids and a beaten down Bonds.
Your telling me that having Steroid freaks, MVPs, All Stars and the Greatest hitter ever on steroids hitting in the same lineup makes these decent ballplayers 20 to 30 HR, 80 to 100 RBI season flukes??  

Thats just dumb.  

This Blog sucks!

by justinohan on Feb 19, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
What sucks more? The sucky blog, or the sucker who sucketh at its teet?

Put another way, why the hell are you here?

(And don't bother answering that- it's a rhetorical question)

***

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by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Soooooooo nice to see that the McC that I've come to know and love has been distilled to something like this.  Piss off Sabean...you're a wanker mate!
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
For the young ladies that have never seen a dick up close, may I present justinohan.

Psst, hey justin, it's "you're" and "that's".

Hoping tk's recovery is faster than Raj going from first to third!

by Goofus on Feb 19, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I've missed this guy.

by Evan on Feb 19, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Grant doesn't make dumb posts. Only dumb readers.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Wait a second....
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Geez, what kind of forum troll are you?

It's S-T-E-R-I-O-D-S.

Amateur.

Bochy: grounded until he stops hitting and running with slow runners and crappy hitters

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
So you're going to quibble with a fucking minor choice of diction and then ignore the entire, salient, accurate, and intelligent content and intent of the post itself. You're the kind of poster that pisses me off. You're the kind of poster who picks out the most meaningless thing in an otherwise meaningful post or comment and then uses that as a foundation to inaccurately call into question the legitimacy of the entire post.

So, for the sake of playing at that same game, there was nobody named Bernard on 1999 Giants, so obviously you don't know what you're talking about and nothing you say means anything worthwhile to anybody.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Only because you've made quite a few non-abusive posts since you've created your account do I respond....

If you think that the reason all of the players had such great seasons is because they were either on steroids or in the same lineup as Bonds, then why didn't the players continue to be just as good in similar circumstances?

Did Benard only take steroids one year?

Did Snow or Durham or Marquis Grissom only play with Bonds one year?

No?

And were the seasons I picked out for all those players better than the ones they normally had?

Then you could say that the season I picked out for each player was different from other seasons they've had. Fluky, even. Which was my point.

I really enjoy dissenting posts. I can write some real crap at times, and being called out occasionally helps my writing. It just helps when there's logic behind the calling out. Your post didn't have any.

by Grant on Feb 19, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I just don't like you because you said you didn't like the Wrens >:\

Not cool!

by xanthan on Feb 19, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Little early to be doin' shooters isn't it?

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot...
To capitalize STEROIDS a few times.  -5 points and I would like a 500 word essay by Friday.
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I pick JT Snow.

by kennv on Feb 19, 2008 1:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Nate looks ripped in the pictures on Giants Jottings. I think he'll claim RF relatively early and tear some bitches up.

And Steve Kline is gonna be awesome! Fuck yeah! Steve Kline!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
You still in jolly ol' England?  Just finished a book 'bout the place.  Notes from a small island by Bill Bryson.  Hilarious read.
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Yup, still here (until June.) I'd say I'd check the book out but omg I have so much reading for school. (The joys of an English concentration!)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Pick it up when you have a chance and dive into it once you're back.  Kinda cool account of England through his eyes.  He had lived somewhere in Yorkshire for like 20 years if I remember correctly and basically toured the whole country before leaving here for the states.  
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I tried concentrating in Spanish. Then I remembered I can neither read, write, or speak the espanol.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Join your amigo, Pedro Feliz.

He tried concentrating in English and Spanish and found out he could not read pitchers.

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
sorry. Under 30 years old need not apply.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
The fluke I would most wish: Roberts and another OF traded so that Schierholtz gets 500 AB's. Nate doing well wouldn't be a fluke, imho, but him getting the opportunity would be.

The fluke I'll pick: Frandsen hits .285, solidifies 2B, and E composes a lengthy, hilarious, scatological apology for his previous comments about Kevin, admits that the guy can hit, and offers to babysit the Righetti triplets.

The player least likely to get flukey: Ray Durham.

"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle on Feb 19, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I'll take Omar. He's come back from seasons almost this bad before (1993, 2001) and it would be pretty cool to see him do it again at age 41.

by Evan on Feb 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
How could you all so easily miss the best and most obvious answer?  Joe Crede will break out for 30 HRs and 100 RBIs hitting forth to justify Brian Sabean trading Henry Sosa and another good non 40 man roster prospect to the WhiteSox for him.  And then Brian Sabean will re-sign Mr Crede to a 4 year and $48M extention as his reward.  Is that optomistic enough for you all?

by giantsrainman on Feb 19, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

GR's Crede Campaign gathers steam
I tfear Rainman is about to hit the warpath with some powerful new medicine.

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: GR's Crede Campaign gathers steam
Moggeee,

It was sarcasum.  Your meter must be broken.

by giantsrainman on Feb 20, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
I think Captain Jack and Cousin Vinnie will be the biggest flukes, in that they will give up fewer ninth-inning, game-tying or walk-off home runs than last year.

This says nothing about our offense's inability to get us into a tied or late-game lead situation.  Or maybe it does.

But I predict fewer walk-off losses at the hands of those two!

by mlb22 on Feb 19, 2008 3:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Barry Zito will hit .240/.310/.408 as the everyday third baseman.
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 19, 2008 3:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Barry Zito will hit the everyday third baseman.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Barry Zito will hit on the everyday third baseman.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Barry Zito is the Third Man.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Feb 20, 2008 6:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff
Zito hits third baseman Aurilia.

That's one helluva curve from a lefty.

by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
that's the kind of warrior spirit in the face of adversity that keeps the mccoven strong.

I like you, yossarian.

"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Zito?? I thought Nate was going to play third?
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Your 2008 closer.

by sfgreg on Feb 19, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
IF HE COULDN'T PLAY THERE IN THE MINORS HOW THE HELL WOULD HE BE ABLE TO PLAY THERE IN THE MAJORS??!#!@#?!?!
You deserve to be struck out, when your first name's a verb.

by Cookyman on Feb 20, 2008 6:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
Damn your brilliant point!
Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Feb 20, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Hmmm, with all due deference to my McColleagues, I'd say that most responses here fall more into the optimistic development projection category (Frandsen, Nate, Lewis) than true honest to God flukey, which to my mind involves veterans significantly out-performing their career profiles. So I'd say our best two shots are: 1) Winn playing an entire season like his September in '05; or 2) Dave Roberts lifting himself to a .330/.400/.440 season, creaming righties and lefties alike, and stealing 70 bases. Let the flukin' begin!
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Feb 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Oh wow. For a minute I thought you wrote "fellatin". Whew. My upstanding image of you remains in tact.

by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
To be fair, Grant did say fluke/breakout season.

I take breakout to make this a free for all to jump on the ol' "Ortmeier is the next Holliday" train.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
You're flukin' crazy.

by mxmob33 on Feb 19, 2008 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Hmm, every year I hoped for a Linden breakout. This time I'll go with Fred Lewis: .290/.380/.440 as the everyday left fielder.

by Dan from NM on Feb 19, 2008 8:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Of course, this is the answer. It's gonna be Todd Linden.

by Evan on Feb 20, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Flukey?  A LF platoon with Roberts and Davis will produce nearly 70 steals and (gasp) 100 runs scored.  Granted, Roberts must produce against righties as he should not play at all vs. lefties.  He probably will work out a few more walks this year as #25 isn't lurking anymore.  Davis will face mostly lefties and with the run at all costs will probably steal 30-35 bases.  They will both pinch run when not starting, thus the 100 run prediction.  They will also combine for 4 homers.  Should Roberts fail he will be sent off to Boston and we will eat another 10 mill.  Then it's the Lewis-Davis platoon. Fewer steals, 7 homers.  Flukey pitching surprise... Steve Kline starts make-up game in August in Florida and goes 4 innings and loses 22 pounds.

by drysdalecousin on Feb 19, 2008 9:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Whales have flukes, too
Upon which slim Steve Kline is immediately signed to costar with Kirstie Alley in a Jenny Craig campaign because they will have combined to lose 150 lbs.

by Moggeee on Feb 20, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Eliezer Alfonzo will hit 12 bombs.

by BuffyLaCoss on Feb 20, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes

If I have learned anything over the last 10+ years of Sabean, the break out candidate will be whichever makes Sabean looks rosiest.

So, take Sabean's worst move of the offseason, and make it the best possible outcome:

Hmm... tricky ... Rowand hitting .300 again might do it... Vizquel bouncing back?  Zito = Cy Young candidate.. should have happened last year.

But I am going with either starting LF Dave Roberts, or starting 1B Dan Ortmeier.  I think the latter is even less likely, but he might not even be given the chance to start.

This will all be trumped by a huge year from Crede if he's traded for (followed by 4/48 and suckitude)

by zenbitz on Feb 20, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Fluke: An occurrence based solely on luck or chance.

1997 - J.T. Snow
2004 - J.T. Snow

If Snow had "fluky" seasons twice, doesn't that go against all that is a real "fluke"?  The others I agree with, but not this one.  It wasn't just "luck or change" that J.T. had good seasons in 97' and 04'...

by djperalta on Feb 22, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Flukes
Again, I disagree with quibbling over a minor choice of diction. Had Grant arbitrarily chosen to use "abberations" instead of fluke, he wouldn't have had to change a single other word in the post, and he did account for the possibility of non-flukiness by using the word "breakout."

If the content and intent at large are both perfectly obvious, I just don't quite get the scouring of minor details.

Oh well.

As defenders of Snow go, though, I'm totally with you. He was one of my favorite players on any Giants team, and he gets a lot of talking head criticism for not being a prototypical 1B on a group of teams that had a lot of players who were not prototypical for their positions (Kent and Aurilia at 2B and SS come to mind immediately).

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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