Flukes
I received an e-mail yesterday that pointed out that I was being a negative twit. The negativity is something I noticed on my own right before hitting the "post" button yesterday. The official mood of the site is "sullen teenager." It'll get old if it hasn't already. So if the Giants have a chance to lose 100 games, then it would make sense to mix in a positive post for every two negative posts. That'd be the blogging equivalent to a .333 winning percentage, and even the Giants can promise better than that.
But it'll be easy to get burned out on flowery sonnets to Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum. Best to save those for after their dominant games. By my count, there should be 64 such games between them this year, and I'll run out of adjectives.
One of the worst things about the 2007 season was the total and complete lack of fluke offensive performances. Offensive Fluke of the Year winners, since 1997:
1998 - Joe Carter, post-trade
1999 - Marvin Benard, pre-contract
2000 - Ellis Burks, post-cartilage
2001 - Rich Aurilia
2002 - Benito Santiago, post-butt syringes
2003 - Marquis Grissom
2004 - J.T. Snow
2005 - Randy Winn, post-trade
2006 - Ray Durham
2007 - ?
The above performances ranged from historically great (Aurilia) to pleasantly satisfying (Benard), but they all kind of came out of nowhere. No matter what happened in their respective seasons, when those players are brought up in the context of those seasons, the memories are good ones. You could look back after the season and say, "Wow. Didn't expect that."
Every player hit to expectations or below for the 2007 Giants. It was amazing. Rajai Davis might be the best choice, but he had limited at-bats and was buried at the end of the bench by September.
So here's to your "Wow. Didn't expect that."-season from a hitter. Last year I guessed it would be Todd Linden. I also lost $40 on a Twins-Devil Rays game in Lake Tahoe last year. I'm not sure why I was betting on it in the first place. I didn't have a good prognosticating year. Possibilities for this year, though:
- Aaron Rowand repeating his great year
- Any of the wretched players from '07 (Aurilia/Durham/Vizquel) bouncing back
- One - just one, please - youngish player establishing himself (Lewis/Schierholtz/Davis/Ortmeier/Frandsen)
There are a bunch of options, probably because we don't really expect a lot from anyone. Expecting nothing has its advantages. I'm going with a fantastic year from Rajai Davis, even if his minor league stats don't support a continuation of his 2007 numbers. He's in a good spot, as his right-handedness will assure him a good chunk of playing time in a platoon role. He's my pick to hit better than expected, which would make him a pretty sweet trade chip to dangle after the 2008 season. He'd be a trade chip because we'll have Rowand in center until 2013. Must...continue...with...optimistic...thoughts....
Comment starter: Your pick for breakout/fluke offensive season.
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Re: Flukes
by senorvegas on Feb 19, 2008 7:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by raisingcain on Feb 19, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by lincysgiants on Feb 19, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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My pic is visquel having a bounce back year, Lewis establishing himself.
by GreenLightJerky on Feb 19, 2008 7:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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2008- Nate Schierholtz (if not now, when? if not him, who?)
by Kid Fresh on Feb 19, 2008 7:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Bengie Molina 2007 OPS+ : 86.
by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie's just marking time here
These guys mouth platitudes, and wait for the weekly paycheck.
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'd like to see Frandsen do something but his GB% from 2007 was a little scary.
by xanthan on Feb 19, 2008 7:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by achiappanza on Feb 19, 2008 8:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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In the Minors, it's Tim Alderson.
by Anticon23 on Feb 19, 2008 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Umm, Dan Ortmeier.
by Anticon23 on Feb 19, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Feb 19, 2008 8:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why not
From the pitching side, this is the year of J-Snatch.
by oooreebay on Feb 19, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Why not
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
After taking a beating by the fans and being told over and over by Glenn Dickey that he "isn't a major league player", Ortmeier posts some respectable numbers of .285/.350/.465 with an OPS of .815. At which point he even bats fourth in the lineup for the Giants.
He hits over 20 bombs and steals almost 20 bags. Oh, and after working with JT, surprises most of all with his above average defense at first.
As for comeback player? It's got to be Ray Ray given it's a contract year for him. Of course he has his best success in 2008 after he is traded to the Reds at the trading deadline for a prospect or two.
How's that for optimism?
by 22TheThrill on Feb 19, 2008 8:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Like your optimism though. It seems actually genuine and not a piece of spin from some pr flack wannabe.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I also choose the Big German
for the fluky offensive performance.
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fluke offensive season?
Gosh, this IS hard.
by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Feb 19, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Use the left side of your brain for baseball. Use the right side for your artwork.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
E flirts with Einstein
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: E flirts with Einstein
you're a very sick individual. not to worry though. its treatable as I can attest to thereof and so forth.
by E Ticket on Feb 20, 2008 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
Runner-up: Durham. He loves his contract seasons.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Feb 19, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, though...
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2008 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Or he can just take off his shirt. I don't mind.
Wait we're supposed to be serious? Maybe Durham has a year comparable to 2006, offensively.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Two things.
Put down the hallucinogens.
Change your eyewear prescription.
Yes. Its true. I hate Kevin Frandsen the same way I hated Lance Niekro. The same way I hate all nepotism patronage politics; especially in sports, the last refuge for those with warrior spirit, grit, and swagger.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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As an asidem and on a related note, I am hoping you are going to do more interviews with players, coaches, and others involved in baseball. At whatever level. You could be the next Susan Slusser imho. (that is meant as a high compliment btw)
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I haf thsi retardote kiyboart.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Its not that I want Frandsen to be denied. It is that I want a more deserving player to be recognized. Frandsen is very deserving and has earned a spot in the culture of baseball and could be a great contributor on many different levels. Anything from coach, motivational speaker, community representative, player agent, and so on. Major League infielder does not appear to be one of those positions.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Except that maybe since Frandsen is a good brother the Giants want to start him? But that doesn't make any sense to me... what personal family tragedy? What does it have to do with the Giants? Why is Frandsen getting his chance because of it? Not to jump on you or anything, but like thehavenot, I don't know what "nepotism" you're talking about, and all of this indirect double speak has me fairly confused.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ditto that
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Frandsen credits his brother with inspiration to play MLB. It was during this time as neighbors that the Frandsens made friends with the Righetti's. Rags has triplet girls who were born with debilitating birth defects.
Hence the bond. If you've experienced something like this, then you will understand the bond that can be formed. It can be stronger than blood.
Clearer now?
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Sound of Heavy Breathing)
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MUST HAVE GAMEDAY THREAD
by WalrusMan on Feb 20, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Anyway, thanks for banishing my Frandsen-nepotism-ignorance.
by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And you are too kind. I'll take being Lisa Winston's lackey, but the Ms. Slusser comp is way better than anything PECOTA could come up with. :)
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Old skool
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Feb 19, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
too NEGATIVE?
There is NO logical reason to suggest that anyone on this team will do better than they did last year. And plenty of good reasons they will do worse.
I don't think you're being a negative twit, G, I think the Giants Mgmt has built a legit stinker. And this is what it looks like when those who are paying attention hold their collective noses.
I don't pick any position player to have a standout year, and even if they do, the team will still lose way more games than it wins.
And when one remembers HOW MUCH MONEY mgmt makes to field this stinker, when one remembers that mgmt keeps trying to put lipstick on this pig, when mgmt says nothing like OUR BAD, well, I get indignant.
Until there is accountability on the part of Giants mgmt, my response will be to stay cynical, outraged (relatively speaking) and to keep my wallet closed.
Love your Giants, but fear the mgmt.
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: too NEGATIVE?
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
General Manager Greivous to Fred Lewis
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: General Manager Greivous to Fred Lewis
Pity that our "grievous" a) isn't cool and bionic, and b) can't be easily destroyed by young masters Lincekin and Cainobi.
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: too NEGATIVE?
by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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The guy was hurt & recovering in the first half of 2007. In the 2nd half he hit .291/.362/.388. Not exactly all-star caliber, but now that he's only going to face righties (hopefully) I expect most of those #'s to rise. And he'll be over in left so we won't be complaining about his routes as much.
ducks
by ResDog on Feb 19, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Dave Roberts plays more than 120 games...
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 19, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Offensive fluke of the year is harder. ( Here comes the trash talkin' time.) You have to play the field enough to bat and Bochy loves heaps of those Marvin the Martian approved, Sabean perfected, Illudium Q-36 Savvy Veteran Evaluator approved guys. ( Were is the team shattering kaboom? There is suppose to be a team shattering kaboom. ) Say Aurilia with a 268/345/390 line in 400+ AB`s. Mainly due to not having to run him out there every day for the first 2.5 months just to have a line up card.
by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 9:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by antinous on Feb 19, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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"Yo quiero Bellarmine Bell"
With a side of refritos and corn on the cob.
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Xdrakemanx on Feb 19, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The reason that Pat Burrell slugs well and drives in as many runs as he does is that he is a Bellarmine Bell.
The reason he strikes out all the time and has a lifetime .256 average must be because he's from Arkansas.
Sadly, he would still be the best hitter on our team.
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Xdrakemanx on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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After this year Burrell is a free agent... we might have TWO Bells on the team then.
by hummbaby on Feb 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Best option for a fluke breakout season:
Dan Ortmeier
Reason: Of all the guys not currently in their "fell off that cliff" phase of elderly baseball, Ortmeier is the most likely to grab 600 ABs at a position where offense is a league premium. In other words, a breakout season from Ortmeier will mean more than a breakout season from anybody else. If Frandsen has a breakout season, he probably has it over 450 ABs, and he probably still only puts up 2B numbers. If Davis does, he probably has it over 300 ABs with a maximum of 5 HRs. If Lewis does, same, just one of those HRs is a grand slam. If Ortmeier has a breakout season, it will have to be a breakout season for a 1B (which means 20+ HRs and an .800 OPS!), and it will be over around 600 ABs. It will also solve our 1B problem. A breakout season from Ortmeier does the most for the team! It might even help us win games!
Most likely to have fluke breakout season:
Aaron Rowand, Rich Aurilia, Ray Durham, or Fred Lewis
Reasons: For Rowand a fluke breakout season would likely just match last year. He's already done that (and recently), so he could theoretically do it again. Same for Aurilia and Durham, just substitute "2006" for "last year." Fred Lewis because he's so damn toolsy if the damn thing would just click he'd have an awesome 250 plate appearances this year.
Most unexpected for a fluke breakout season:
Dave Roberts
Reasons: Because nobody suspects the Dave Roberts.
Most likely to get undeserved credit for a fluke breakout season from pundits and overzealous fans alike:
Benjie Molina
Reasons: Because it already happened last year when he had one of the worst seasons of his life at the plate and has been nothing but heralded for the effort. I expect a repeat performance!
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just to play Devil's ( Ortmeires) Advocate
That being said I still say Rich. If we held a poll for "Veteran Most Likely to Kicked to the Curb first in '08 " I beat you Aurilia would be in the top 2.
by daveinexile on Feb 19, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious at why you would pick
If Ortmeier only does what he did last year, but over 600 PAs, and doesn't have a Pena or Cust type breakout, he would still be only a cheap stop gap.
Fransen breaking out into an average 2b, would be more valuable than Ortmeier breaking out into a ~815 OPS 1b. An 815 OPS 1b is basically a Josh Phelps type.
by rfloh on Feb 19, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
I'll be les stat-y and more accurate on account of it. If Ortmeier has the kind of season that is good for a 1B, it will be a better season than Frandsen having the kind of season that is good for a 2B or Davis or Lewis having the kinds of seasons that are good for speedy no power corner outfielders, AND he'll be able to have that kind of production over a greater number of at bats than any of the others.
It's a hell of a long-shot, but if Ort has a good season for a 1B, it will be more valuable to the team than these other guys breaking out at their respective positions - not only because he'll be hitting better than they would be but also because he'll be hitting more than they would be.
That's my reason. It kind of really really suprememly hinges on the fact that of "Frandsen, Davis, Lewis, and Ortmeier," Ort is the only one who I see as being remotely capable of slugging at a respectable rate.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
I'm not sure I see the logic in here. Yeah, an average 1B hits better then a average 2B, but that doesn't make him more valuable to the team. Their value is identical - o runs above average.
by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
In short, the team totals will be better if Ortmeier has an average season for his position than if Frandsen does. And if the team totals are better, then his value is greater.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Also, while the average 1b is more valuable offensively, absolutely, than the average 2b, the thing is these players do not play in vacuums.
The question is, is a 1b who is average for his position offensively, more difficult to replace than a 2b who is average for his position offensively?
I'm not sure if this is the case, even though OBP / OPS is now supposedly no longer an undervalued commodity; guys like Cust pre 2007, Pena pre 2007, Phelps, can be picked up cheaply.
Are comparable 2b types, ie somewhat below average, but still acceptable as stopgap starters, available as essentially free talent?
by rfloh on Feb 19, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Hmm
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
Again, I'm not sure that's true. I know an above average season for a 1B is worth more runs then an above average season for a 2B, but that's not the question, because all teams need both a 1B and 2B. The question is what's better:
A)average 2B + above average 1B
or
B)average 1B + above average 2B
You claim option A is better. I say there the same, because it balances out. Above average 1B<above average 2B, but also average 1B<average 2B. therefor, A=B. <br>
by Cookyman on Feb 19, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: I'm curious at why you would pick
a) average 2B + replacement-level 1B
or
b) average 1B + replacement-level 2B
by Evan on Feb 19, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
I would love Freddie to, but I also doubt that he will get a genuine opportunity.
So I will say Rajai will be our fluke performer.
And Jonathon will do it for the pitchers.
And, going out on a limb here, watch out for Billy Sadler.
Maybe Sanchez and Sadler will help each other figure out their control problems?
by thehavenot on Feb 19, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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He's my candidate be more consistent and, if there's any truth to the theory that players can emerge from Bonds' shadow, I think Winn is a good candidate to do just that. He also has a couple full seasons in the NL now, so he's familar with all the pitchers.
I'm predicting an OPS+ of 115, which would be his 3rd best offensive season, so it's not too crazy to imagine.
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2008 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PSA:Emo...the word is Emo
Anyhoo, I think it's safe to say that the official mood of the site is Emo and not Sullen Teenager.
by Sigualicious on Feb 19, 2008 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: PSA:Emo...the word is Emo
by SF Pete on Feb 19, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone read that twaddle?
Oh, and a sad note for anyone who read and remembered that twaddle--J Church, which I mentioned as being still around... well, since I wrote that, their frontman, Lance Hahn, passed away in Austin.
by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SF Pete on Feb 20, 2008 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
So, yeah. Freddie for '08
And I also thought Tyler Walker's recovery/Brian Wilson making it to the closer role were both pleasant suprises for '07. No offensive suprises, though, besides Fred Lewis (at least I thought so) who only got like 100 AB's so it doesn't really count.
by boonitez on Feb 19, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Then in July we trade him to a playoff contender for a mid-level prospect (like Davis last year). I can dream, ok?
by hummbaby on Feb 19, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
First of all these guys had BARRY BONDS IN THE LINEUP HITTING BEHIND OR IN FRONT OF THEM - Oh yeah I forgot to mention Jeff Kent, Moises Alou and STEROIDS!
So these years for these guys weren't flukes..
- Snow had Bonds and Kent in the lineup.
- Joe Carter had Bonds, Snow and an even better Kent hitting in the same lineup
- Bernard did enough STEROIDS to make him a good player, which must have been a lot b/c he sucked balls!!!! Oh yeah, Bonds and Kent.
- Ellis Burk was a great hitter with BONDS, KENT and Snow in the lineup!
- STEROIDS, Bonds, Kent in the lineup and more Steroids!
- Grissom - Bonds, Kent, other Steroid Freaks in the lineup!
- STEROIDS, Bonds
- STEROIDS, Bonds
- STEROIDS, Bonds
- Moises Alou, Durham was actually healthy.
- No Steroids and a beaten down Bonds.
Thats just dumb.
This Blog sucks!
by justinohan on Feb 19, 2008 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
Put another way, why the hell are you here?
(And don't bother answering that- it's a rhetorical question)
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Feb 19, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Psst, hey justin, it's "you're" and "that's".
by Goofus on Feb 19, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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It's S-T-E-R-I-O-D-S.
Amateur.
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Feb 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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So, for the sake of playing at that same game, there was nobody named Bernard on 1999 Giants, so obviously you don't know what you're talking about and nothing you say means anything worthwhile to anybody.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
If you think that the reason all of the players had such great seasons is because they were either on steroids or in the same lineup as Bonds, then why didn't the players continue to be just as good in similar circumstances?
Did Benard only take steroids one year?
Did Snow or Durham or Marquis Grissom only play with Bonds one year?
No?
And were the seasons I picked out for all those players better than the ones they normally had?
Then you could say that the season I picked out for each player was different from other seasons they've had. Fluky, even. Which was my point.
I really enjoy dissenting posts. I can write some real crap at times, and being called out occasionally helps my writing. It just helps when there's logic behind the calling out. Your post didn't have any.
by Grant on Feb 19, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot...
by WalrusMan on Feb 19, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And Steve Kline is gonna be awesome! Fuck yeah! Steve Kline!
by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Feb 19, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Feb 19, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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He tried concentrating in English and Spanish and found out he could not read pitchers.
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The fluke I'll pick: Frandsen hits .285, solidifies 2B, and E composes a lengthy, hilarious, scatological apology for his previous comments about Kevin, admits that the guy can hit, and offers to babysit the Righetti triplets.
The player least likely to get flukey: Ray Durham.
by Lyle on Feb 19, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Feb 19, 2008 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Feb 19, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GR's Crede Campaign gathers steam
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: GR's Crede Campaign gathers steam
It was sarcasum. Your meter must be broken.
by giantsrainman on Feb 20, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
This says nothing about our offense's inability to get us into a tied or late-game lead situation. Or maybe it does.
But I predict fewer walk-off losses at the hands of those two!
by mlb22 on Feb 19, 2008 3:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Feb 19, 2008 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 19, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Feb 20, 2008 6:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
That's one helluva curve from a lefty.
by Moggeee on Feb 19, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I like you, yossarian.
by The Gene Hackman on Feb 19, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by sfgreg on Feb 19, 2008 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
by Cookyman on Feb 20, 2008 6:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
by groug on Feb 20, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by Roger on Feb 19, 2008 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by E Ticket on Feb 19, 2008 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
I take breakout to make this a free for all to jump on the ol' "Ortmeier is the next Holliday" train.
by howtheyscored on Feb 19, 2008 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by Dan from NM on Feb 19, 2008 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by Evan on Feb 20, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by drysdalecousin on Feb 19, 2008 9:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whales have flukes, too
by Moggeee on Feb 20, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
by BuffyLaCoss on Feb 20, 2008 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
If I have learned anything over the last 10+ years of Sabean, the break out candidate will be whichever makes Sabean looks rosiest.
So, take Sabean's worst move of the offseason, and make it the best possible outcome:
Hmm... tricky ... Rowand hitting .300 again might do it... Vizquel bouncing back? Zito = Cy Young candidate.. should have happened last year.
But I am going with either starting LF Dave Roberts, or starting 1B Dan Ortmeier. I think the latter is even less likely, but he might not even be given the chance to start.
This will all be trumped by a huge year from Crede if he's traded for (followed by 4/48 and suckitude)
by zenbitz on Feb 20, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
1997 - J.T. Snow
2004 - J.T. Snow
If Snow had "fluky" seasons twice, doesn't that go against all that is a real "fluke"? The others I agree with, but not this one. It wasn't just "luck or change" that J.T. had good seasons in 97' and 04'...
by djperalta on Feb 22, 2008 10:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Flukes
If the content and intent at large are both perfectly obvious, I just don't quite get the scouring of minor details.
Oh well.
As defenders of Snow go, though, I'm totally with you. He was one of my favorite players on any Giants team, and he gets a lot of talking head criticism for not being a prototypical 1B on a group of teams that had a lot of players who were not prototypical for their positions (Kent and Aurilia at 2B and SS come to mind immediately).
by howtheyscored on Feb 22, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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