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A Few Prospect Rankings

Kevin Goldstein released his top 100 today and two Giants made the list:

  1. Angel Villalona
  2. Henry Sosa
I was surprised Sosa was the second Giant listed.

Also, Keith Law put out his top 5 for each organization.  The Giants' rankings:

  1. Angel Villalona (oddly listed as a 1B)
  2. Tim Alderson
  3. Henry Sosa
  4. Wendell Fairley
  5. Madison Bumgarner
Law also listed Villalona as the top 1B prospect in baseball.  He was the only Giant to make the top 5 in any of the position rankings.

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Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
And the Giants listed on Law's overall top 100:
  1. Angel Villalona
  2. Tim Alderson
  3. Henry Sosa
I imagine these rankings will rile some people up, but they seem reasonable enough to me.

by onlxn on Jan 31, 2008 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Like to point out that, if I recall correctly, it's been five years since we managed to get three prospects in a Top 100.  The heady days of AFW, when the sun was a little brighter and we were all a little less likely to get hit by a car and catch ebola.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Jan 31, 2008 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I didn't even realize cars could be carriers of ebola.
2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Jan 31, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
That's 'cos you're still living in 2003, dude.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Feb 1, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
(face flushed with shame, but unable to contain curiosity) ...AFW?
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Jan 31, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Ainsworth-Foppert-Williams

Sometimes also called AFWB, adding Bonser into the end.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 31, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Ahh...of course. Thank you, kind sir. Unless it's madam.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Jan 31, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
It is, in fact, the latter.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 31, 2008 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Well, then thank you kind madam. Didn't mean to imply that I would only thank a sir.
That's all I can stands, I can't stands no more!

by tobias on Feb 1, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
AFW = Ainsworth, Foppert, Williams. It's also serves as our constant reminder that one should never get too caught up with dreams of future lineups.

-D

by MiGigantes on Jan 31, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I think the best thing these two evaluators have in common is that they don't overrate Nate Schierholtz.  They chose the guys with potential over the lower-but-closer ceiling.

by sharksrog on Jan 31, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Overrate?
You're right Shark, they didn't overrate Nate.  They underrated him!

by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 31, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
and here's the blurb on Angel:
The Giants of the early 2000s were notorious for skimping on amateur signing bonuses, giving away first-round picks and doing little in Latin America. So when they paid over $2 million to sign Villalona just days after his 16th birthday in August of 2006, not only was it a surprise, it was a signal that the organization was committing to acquiring top-flight amateur talent. Signing Villalona was tantamount to getting an extra top-10 pick in the amateur draft -- perhaps better, since he could be in the organization for what would have been his senior year had he been an American-born prospect. Villalona himself is very physically developed, with an early-20s build even before he turned 16; while this will probably force him over to first base, it does provide for significant power potential. He has a quick bat and a fluid swing, and has shown the ability to use the whole field. He's a long way off and has only played five games above rookie ball, but the physical promise here -- a middle-of-the-order bat with a 40-plus homer ceiling -- is tremendous.
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on Jan 31, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Zito for Sexson?

Zito for Giambi?

Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Feb 1, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

So more...
Alderson > Bumgarner.

I have to say, the prospect of a guy who walks nearly nobody is a lot better than the prospect of a guy who has two pitches but is OMGLEFTY!

Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Jan 31, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I've noticed that Law likes to give players new jobs, like putting Lincecum in the bullpen, putting Villalona at first.  I can easily imagine the latter happening, but I think it's really premature to predict it until the kid stops growing.

by Skaldheim on Jan 31, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Yeah don't you love how the experts can see the future.
Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 31, 2008 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I kind of like that he does that. The whole thing is based upon scouts' projections anyway. If the scouts think he probably can't handle third, that carries more weight than the fact that he's still standing next to third base in low-A.

"carries more weight" was probably a poor choice of words in this case.

by Evan on Jan 31, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Hell yea!  I make my eggs sunny side up, but KLaw ranked me as #1 scrambled eggs-maker in my household.  So crazy.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 31, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I was about to make a reply about how silly it is to judge where players might play in the future but don't now.  However, since your post wins for best analogy ever written, I'll refrain and say +1
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 31, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I don't think you really have the range to keep making sunny side up eggs as you progress through the ranks. I agree with K. Law on this one.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 31, 2008 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I'm really tired of the assumption that anyone can make scrambled eggs. Scrambling eggs does require skill! You can't just take any failed chef and convert him to a scrambled egg cook. Anyone who's ever actually scrambled eggs knows that. All you guys ever do is read the recipes and you think you know everything.

Wait...wasn't this the forced analogy thread? Oh...right...sorry.

2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Even I can make scrambled eggs.
And that's no small feat.  I've burnt mac'n'cheese.  So bad I had to throw the pot away.
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Feb 2, 2008 4:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Keith Law is weird. I heard John Sickels say that your inability to add cheese to your scrambled eggs would keep you from ever switching over to fulltime scrambled eggs. I'm confused now.
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.

by Lincecain on Feb 1, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Oh god, not the cheese debate again!
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Both Goldstein and Law are currently doing chats about their lists.  Only one real Giants question so far, a generic one to Law about the state of the system.  Law: "It's definitely improving, but it's going to take some time, since their best prospects are all in short-season ball."

by onlxn on Jan 31, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Another Keith Law comment on the system: "I like what they have in their system, but it's all four or five years out - Villalona, Alderson, Bumgarner, Fairley, Noonan. They have nothing close. "

by onlxn on Jan 31, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Does anyone think he has Fairley ranked a little to high? I mean above of Nonnan, Bumgarner.

And does Schierholtz still count as a propsect? Or is he just being overlooked?

Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 31, 2008 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I do, but I've said several times that I don't like rating Fairley so high without seeing what he can do as a professional. I know I'm in the minority. it just makes me all itchy.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 31, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Itchy?
You might consider trimeprazine for that.
"I think I'd trust Amy Winehouse to guard my bag of coke before I'd trust Sabes to build my offense." -Dan Szymborski, Baseball Think Factory

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jan 31, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Or Temosil
There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 31, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Schierholtz is under the ...
130 ABs mark, with only 112.  The other thing is 45 days on the active roster (before Sep 1).  I don't think he's cleared that either.
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Jan 31, 2008 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Schierholtz is under the ...
He has too much service time to still be a rookie.

-D

by MiGigantes on Jan 31, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he has too much service time..
He was with the big league team for 19-20 days in June, then was called up in September.  That puts him under the 45 day limit.
Coming to you from the Land of Many Beers

by WalrusMan on Jan 31, 2008 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I like Fairley better than both Noonan and Bumgarner.  I think he was the best pick from last year's draft.  30-30 potential with gold glove defense.  yeah, he hasn't played yet, but he has a fantastic swing and a great body.

hehe what a bod.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 31, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
pause.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 31, 2008 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Is okay, I kiss girls and lift weights and do manly shit like that.

I'm just saying Fairley has a projectable body.  Is that so wrong?

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Jan 31, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Nah, I just wanted to do the pause thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Feb 1, 2008 4:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
I tend to be conservative, but next year could easily be the first time in a long while that the Giants have 5 prospects in the top 100 of many lists. Two of the top picks in last year's draft (Bumgarner and Fairley) failed to sign early enough to compete at the professional level. Throw in the development of Noonan and assuming the Giants use their #5 draft pick wisely, the system should look good come this time next year.

by thejuice on Feb 1, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions  

Re: A Few Prospect Rankings
Keith Law ranks the Giants' system 9th overall at his blog:

http://www.meadowparty.com/blog/?p=160

San Francisco is a bit of a fetish of mine, as they have almost no talent in full-season ball, but I loved their draft this year, and I'll roll the dice on a power bat like Villalona.

by KCE on Feb 1, 2008 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

#9
#9 might be a tad high, but it's a lot closer to what it should be than BA's #23.  That is just ridiculous.

Case in point:  BA has the Angels system ranked #10.  Now, the Angels have a few good prospects, but it tails off pretty fast.  Brandon Wood is a worthy #1, but he has his flaws, could be another Todd Linden.  I am not at all impressed by Nick Adenhart, their #2.  I like Jordan Walden, but is he any more of a prospect than Bumgarner, Sosa or Alderson?  I like Hank Conger too.  We don't have anyone in our system comparable to him, but after that, the Angels' system drops off very steeply while we can keep pulling up pretty good prospects like Fairley, Noonan, Tanner, Bucardo, etc.  I personally wouldn't trade our farm system straight up for the Angels.

by DrBGiantsfan on Feb 1, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

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