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Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?

Here's a letter that B.R. Sabean just sent. I still haven't renewed my season tix - the deadline passed and I just couldn't justify feeling like a sucker anymore. If anyone wants to buy a quarter or half of the season, I could change my mind, but I just can't get my head around shelling out thousands of bucks for a loser plan-- I don't seek or need guaranteed wins and a guaranteed post-season berth (we're not Yankees fans, for god's sake). But if I'm going to throw real money into something, I have to see that it's going to some intelligent effort, and I don't see that with the Giants.  Am I wrong here?

Anyway, here's the Sabean letter of today, January 28.
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Dear Richard,

With three weeks until the pitchers and catchers report to Scottsdale for the start of the 2008 season, I want to take this opportunity to give you a state of the Giants message. This off-season has been an exercise in patience, both on your part as our loyal fans and from the club's standpoint in acquiring the right type of impact players who will help the Giants not only in 2008 but into the future.

In recent years, you have become accustomed to us building our teams with an influx of veteran players, in many cases on a one-year basis. Moving forward, we are looking to build our teams with solid all-around players from within our system and supplementing them with high-integrity, impact players who will play major roles on our club for years to come. We have seen this formula work for clubs such as the Atlanta Braves of the early-1990s -- whose strength much like the Giants was strong starting pitching -- and we all know that they went on to win an unprecedented 14 consecutive division titles.

One of those players who will make a huge impact not only on the 2008 team, but over the next five years is our new Gold Glove center fielder Aaron Rowand. As we stress pitching, speed and defense in the new era of Giants baseball, the 30-year-old All-Star embodies those three attributes while also coming off the finest offensive season of his career in 2007. Perhaps his most marketable trait to us as we look to change the culture around our team is his "all-or-nothing" attitude once he takes the field.

When Rowand takes the field, he will be roaming center field at AT&T Park behind one of the top starting rotations in the National League. This winter our assumptions that Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum are two of the top arms in the game today were confirmed by all of the teams which wanted to acquire them. While off-season acquisitions often make headlines, I think our best moves have been the ones we did not make. In holding onto Cain and Lincecum, they combine with Barry Zito and Noah Lowry to be the foundation for a very strong rotation for years to come.

While the game starts on the mound, having a solid defense is crucial especially if you have to manufacture runs. The baseball axiom of having a strong defense up the middle applies with this team, as Rowand combines with catcher Bengie Molina and shortstop Omar Vizquel for 14 Gold Gloves. Our outfield defense will be much improved this year, as we could possibly have three center fielders covering the gaps at AT&T Park this season in Rowand, Dave Roberts and Randy Winn. That trio, along with youngsters Rajai Davis, Fred Lewis and Nate Schierholtz, will be an asset to our pitching staff as their speed will allow them to cover a lot of ground and hold runners from taking extra bases as they have in the past. In turn, that will keep the doubleplay in effect and help lessen pitch counts for our pitchers, allowing them to work deeper into games.

While pitching and defense will be key ingredients in our formula for success in 2008, we are also going to have to execute effectively at the plate and use a speed game to drive our offense. Bruce Bochy wants to instill an aggressive, selfless style in 2008 in which each player will be asked to do the little things and play for one run in an inning. The Giants have traditionally been a team that has relied on power, but this year's edition will be one that will need to execute the fundamentals and use aggressive baserunning to thrive.

Going into Spring Training, we are definitely going to give our younger players a chance to compete for significant playing time this season. Daniel Ortmeier and Kevin Frandsen embody the type of players who play an all-out brand of baseball. To not give a fair shot to players like them, who seem ready to play on a regular basis after what they showed down the stretch last season, would be counterproductive to getting our club on the right track.

One of our major downfalls last year was losing close games, as we played the most games in the majors decided by two runs or less (39-55). We expect to close the gap in those tight contests with an improved outfield defense, better situational hitting and a bullpen with young arms who have another year of experience.

I'm heartened to know that we have three viable candidates to close games in Brian Wilson, Brad Hennessey and Tyler Walker. As we all saw in September, Wilson has made great strides and appears to be ready to take the next step towards being an extremely valuable man in the late innings. Hennessey is a valuable commodity for us, as his versatility really give Bruce and Dave Righetti many options on how to use him -- starting, middle, setup or closing. Remember, he led our club with 19 saves last year. I am definitely intrigued by the return of Tyler Walker from Tommy John surgery at the end of last season. With even more time for his arm to recover, I look forward to seeing him help us close out victories with his late inning efforts.

Even with Spring Training just around the corner, I assure you that we are not standing pat with our club. We are always looking to strengthen our team for both the present and the future. With that said, it is quite possible that the team that reports to Scottsdale in three weeks will not be the same team that opens the season March 31 at Dodger Stadium.

Not only are we taking a new tact on the field, but we also made three major new additions to the front office to help supplement our baseball operations staff. To add the baseball knowledge of former White Sox GM Ron Schueler, longtime Dodgers' scout John Barr and former Pirates scouting director Ed Creech to the decision making process can only strengthen our personnel moves, both on the major- and minor-league levels.

As we enter a new era in Giants baseball, I think that you will enjoy watching a core of energetic players who will leave everything on the field in pursuit of victories when you come to AT&T Park. Like any time there is change, there is the potential for growing pains, but watching a group of young players grow into established major leaguers that lead a winning team can be even more rewarding. I look forward to seeing you at AT&T Park this season to watch the dawning of a new era in Giants baseball.

Sincerely,

Brian R. Sabean
Senior Vice President and General Manager

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Gotta say that I don't love seeing the phrases "the little things" or "will need to execute the fundamentals" (emphasis added).  Um, yeah, they will need to execute the fundamentals... is there any reason to think they, you know, will execute the fundamentals?

I appreciate that he's saying Ortmeier and Frandsen are going to get a "fair shot" (whatever that means). Does that mean Durham is expendable or become bench material... or does it just mean that Frandsen is going to get to play a lot in spring training and then ride the bench all year, not getting any better, not getting any experience, etc.?

Over to you.  Help me decide whether to renew my season tix, or rather become the Ex-Mayor of 311.

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Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Meh. I wish they would just rebuild and admit to rebuilding.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jan 28, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
If I was leaning towards not renewing my season tickets, this letter would not persuade me to change my mind.

by Cleophus on Jan 28, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
If I were leaning toward renewing, this letter would dissuade me from doing so.  :)

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
If I were leaning toward renewing, my family would be leaning toward euthanasia.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I just got the email myself and was coming over here to share it.  As this sort of thing goes, I think it was pretty good message.  As you said, he acknowledged that the kids deserve a chance to comepte for playing time.  He also talked about the moves they didn't make, which I think made sense.

It looks as though there's some thought going into where the team is going, but if he were to sign Tony Clark, I might take that back.

Is anyone working on a drug to treat RPS? (Restless Penis Syndrome)

by Goofus on Jan 28, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Brian confirmed that the best moves the Giants have made this off-season are the ones they didn't make.

Brilliant.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
"...Rowand combines with catcher Bengie Molina and shortstop Omar Vizquel for 14 Gold Gloves."

That's not far from saying that I combine with Barry Bonds for seven MVPs.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)

by antinous on Jan 28, 2008 11:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Or that my girlfriend and I combine to make a pretty good looking tranny.
"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
That's hillarious!
Matt Cain, cleanup hitter or starting pitcher?

by cain1rstballothof on Jan 28, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Brian could have added to the 14 Gold Gloves from Rowand, Molina and Vizquel that that figure is nearly double the number of Gold Gloves won by the now-departed Barry Bonds.  The abovementioned trio also had hit nearly two-fifths as many home runs as Bonds and stolen nearly as many bases.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
i think it's borderline ridiculous that sabean keeps bringing up the fact that molina is a gold glove catcher. the dude won the award like 4 years ago...it's obvious to anyone who watches the game that he's no longer, nor will he ever will be a gold glover caliber player again.

stop insulting our intelligence and trying to tell us he's a good defensive catcher!!

by Bruins17 on Jan 28, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I must say I actually like the idea of having lots of speed and defense in the outfield at the Big Phone. That also means you should probably have some decent offensive players on the infield and we just don't have that. I think it could actually be a solid plan but I don't see Sabean as serious. For some reason I get the feeling that Sabean is writing this like a high school English paper, just trying to feed us some shit to make us happy and give him a passing grade. That being said I like the outfield minus Roberts and I love the rotation. The pen could use a couple fire ballers and the infield is joke. Right now the kids need to start 120+ games to figure out if we need to cut bait on them or not. That isn't going to happen because Sabes while trying to feed us this shit is still going to go out and sign Feliz and Tony Clark. Crap.
"I'd take pleasure in gutting you boy" Oh and ignore the spelling. I do.....

by someguynamedg on Jan 28, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I disagree, there's nothing in there that doesn't ring true.  He's not sugar coating it at all, even if he doesn't address the lack of power in our lineup.  He's basically saying, "It might not look great, but we've set ourselves up for better success moving forward."  It's true, as far as I can tell.  No super bonehead moves, we haven't overspent on any more overrated free agents this season (I think Rowand is a pretty reasonable deal).  All in all, it's been a mighty inactive year, we don't have 3rd base addressed, and first still looks suspect...  But Sabes can't publish a letter saying, "Seriously, don't renew your tickets for this year, it's going to be U-G-L-Y.  Just wait a year or two and see where we are then."  That would be, I don't know...  Stupid?

That said, I doubt I'd buy season tickets this year, and wait to see what things look like next season.  It's not worth it if the team sucks, in my opinion.  Personally, if I go to any games this year, it's going to be for free, and it's going to be because I'm actually interested in seeing our kids play.  And even then, it's probably only going to be when Cain or Tim pitches.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 28, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I disagree with your disagreement. I believe Sabean is being disingenuous here. Notice how he specifically selects Frandsen and Ortmeier has the Prospects-Who-Must-Get-Playing-Time-Du-Jour. He chooses them, not because they are the best the Giants have, but because they're the best they have room for. Sabean has failed to find a quality bat at 1B or 3B, so he throws out two guys who can play those positions - Frandsen and Ort - as guys who deserve an opportunity. But if he had signed a 1B instead of Rowand, you can bet the prospects who deserve an opportunity would've magically turned into Frandsen, Fred Lewis, and Raj Davis. If he had been able to trade Roberts and acquire both a 1B and 3B, the prospects who deserved an opportunity would've become only OFs - Lewis, Davis and Shierholtz.

This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year. That's a great way to win a debate contest, or fool fans who haven't read your BS time and again already, but building a baseball team has very little to do with PR, and PR is all this is.

by English Professor on Jan 28, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I kind of think this is typical anybody. You can't tell your viewing public that Schierholtz deserves a chance when you know he won't get ABs. This is, for all intents and purposes, a promotional letter. Any team sending out a letter like this will have it full of rhetorical pacifiers like that. I don't see the point in getting squirmy over the media face.

Which is to say that making a poo-poo about Sabean not saying Schierholtz deserves a shot isn't very worthwhile, because nobody with this specific team would say that in a promotional letter. Making a poo-poo that Sabean ostensibly blocked Schierholtz from having a chance by making a signing, that's what to make a poo-poo about. Because other people might not have done that.

You know, if poo-poo is what you do... do.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But look what I responded to.
I don't disagree with what you say, but I think you misunderstand what I was responding to. I never said Sabean wasn't being "typical of anybody" or professional, or that this letter was anything but promotional. The statement I was refuting was: " there's nothing in there that doesn't ring true"

It's one thing to say that Sabean had to write the letter as he did due to his current circumstances. It's another to say everything in there is true. For instance, just because it would be stupid for him to write that he's effectively blocked Shierholtz, that doesn't mean it's not true.

by English Professor on Jan 28, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But look what I responded to.
To me it just sound like Brian is trying to sell me a used car. He's not telling me its a Pinto, but he's telling me not to expect a Corvette.
Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 28, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But look what I responded to.
Yes, I did misunderstand what you were responding to. My apologies. I agree.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But look what I responded to.
I apparently must rephrase...  I didn't mean nothing in there that doesn't ring true.  I meant, nothing in there that isn't true.  Because I'm curious what wasn't true in his letter.  I get, to a degree, being irritated by what was left out.  But to think he should have said, "Sure, I blocked Nate when I got Rowand, so our alleged youth movement isn't really happening," I think Magowan and company might have been a little irritated by that.  That's just me, though.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 28, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: But look what I responded to.
"...an aggressive, selfless style in 2008 in which each player will be asked to do the little things and play for one run in an inning."

Hope they improve on last year where the players interpreted that as one run in a game...

NL West TempestTeapot...the AL doesn't care WHO you sign.

by victor frankenstein on Jan 28, 2008 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
"This is typical Sabean...When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."

What?  THAT'S typical Sabean?  You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we've tried rebuilding from within, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where we tried rebuilding.

I absolutely agree Sabean is picking and choosing what he says.  That makes sense, doesn't it?  He also, as I previously pointed out, failed to make mention of the fact that our team has approximately 0 power in the lineup.  Does that make him a liar suddenly?  At least at no point in his letter, did he say, "We're going back to the playoffs, BOYYYYY!" or even, "With a little hard work and elbow grease, we'll finish with over 90 wins this year!"  Instead he mentions growing pains.

As for your last line, "building a baseball team has very little to do with PR, and PR is all this is."  You bet your ass this is PR.  What did you think it was, an honest telling of exactly what Sabean thinks he put together?  Wouldn't that be COUNTER-productive?  And sure, actually BUILDING a team has little to do with baseball, but doesn't putting butts in seats have a LITTLE something to do with PR?  And is that what this letter was?  An attempt to help convince season ticket holders to renew?

Again, I still wouldn't renew.  Not this year, anyway.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 28, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I think your use of my quote is a great piece of evidence as to why ellipses should not be used within quotations unless done by an experienced editor. Within that little ... you substituted for my actual statement, I explained exactly what I meant by "typical Sabean" - his way of using double-speak to spin the team's off-season moves. Then, in the second part of the quote, I go on to show how he's doing it this year. But by omitting the first sentence, you change the entire point, then argue against the straw man argument you've created in my name.

If you can't refute the point I made in the post - that Sabean uses positive euphemisms in a thinly veiled to hide the flaws in the team he's constructed - when using my entire quotation, that should probably be a sign to you that the overall point I'm making might have some merit.

by English Professor on Jan 28, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
"I think...you...meant...I go...first...against the straw man...If you can't refute the point...Sabean uses...thin...veil...to hide the flaws in...my entire quotation."

Slow down man.  What does that even mean?

Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base. Steve Kline is pretty okay. Nate Schierholtz cannot play third base.

by groug on Jan 28, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I selflessly take a bullet for Academia
The bylaws emphatically state English Professors, whether actual or virtual, shall not be assailed on this site.

And as EP's highly decorated speech writer and proofreader, it was MOI who carelessly forgot to insert the itsy-bitsy word "attempt" after his stirring phrase "thinly veiled" in paragraph two.

by Moggeee on Jan 28, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I think what you are arguing, English Professor, is that Sabean wasn't HONEST.  What I'm saying is what he said was TRUE.  We're talking two different things.  You're saying he didn't tell the full story, and he was being disingenous (your word).  I agree to that point.  I'm saying the parts of the story he said are true.  I'm also saying that a letter to encourage season ticket holders to renew their season tickets SHOULD use a positive spin.  Why?  Because as I pointed out above, while building a baseball team might not have anything to do with PR, putting butts in seats has a LOT to do with it.  You do know, English Professor, what PR is?

Also, let me point out, English Professor, that you too chose to ignore every single point I'd made counter to your own points.  Instead, you chose to focus on one point that only affected one line of my reply.  So, English Professor, if you wish to call someone out for not refuting the point you made in your post - which I did, by the way, professor - you might wish, yourself to make your own counter-points to my points.  Otherwise you're simply being hypocritical.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Apples and Oranges
Yes, I left out points in your post I didn't want to try and refute. It's up to me what part of someone else's point I want to argue with. That's the power we all have when posting a comment. But what's definitely not within our power, is to delete some of what someone else wrote, throw quotes around the rest, and claim it as their statement. But that's exactly what you did to me. Can you see the difference? I sincerely hope you can.

Argue against any part of what I write that you like, agree with any part of it that you like, ignore any part of it that you like, just don't alter any part of it and still attribute the quote to me. If I ever do that to you - or to anyone else for that matter - then you'll be able to reasonably call me hypocritical.

by English Professor on Jan 29, 2008 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Apples and Oranges
Seriously, dude...  Did that even matter to the overall point?  You could view what was omitted and left as anecdotal.  Then you chose to start pissing yourself over THAT, as opposed to any of the relevant points being made.  Besides, I re-read what you said, and there isn't a hell of a lot more to it.  So if it makes you feel any better, I'll redo the whole damn thing and see if it makes THAT much of a difference:

"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."

What?  That second "when you're" is typical Sabean?  You'll have to refresh my memory as to when we've tried rebuilding from within, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where we tried rebuilding.

My point remains the same, but now your quote takes up WAAAAAAY too much space.  BUT now you may sleep easy tonight, because I totally quoted you correctly.  And if you were using the "When you're" lines as a generalization, you might have wanted to clarify that, as opposed to saying THIS is typical Sabean, MANY PEOPLE do this...  Seriously, Professor, at what school do you teach?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Apples and Oranges
And while I'm on the subject, I notice your first example - building with veterans - gives Giants-specific examples.  So it should follow that, since you're chalking all this up as typical Sabean, your second example is probably ALSO something Giants-specific.  In which case, you STILL don't have a leg to stand on, professor.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Apples and Oranges
No, I was not using the "When you're" lines as generalizations, I was talking specifically about Sabean. And no, the part you omitted was decidedly not anecdotal. When you say that some behavior is "typical" of someone, and then provide two sentences to explain two different instances where the same behavior is exhibited under different circumstances, taking away one sentence makes it appear as if the second is the only example, and narrows the speaker's arguments further than they intended. This is intellectually dishonest, and allows someone to focus on the second sentence as the only example - just as you did - and question how this can be viewed as "typical".

Since you're clearly unwilling or unable to accept this viewpoint, I'll construct a hypothetical scenario in order to re-state our debate, substituting an unrelated argument, but keeping the same logic patterns we've each followed during this argument:

Imagine if you will, we are both watching the Phillies opening game of the 2008 season and communicating on an open thread. In the 9th inning, the Phillies trail by one, but get their leadoff hitter on base. Pedro Feliz is up next, and tries to sacrifice the runner over, but strikes out bunting on a slider in the dirt.

English Professor:

"Typical Feliz. When you're with the Giants, you fail to advance runners from 2nd to 3rd with no outs, and from 3rd to home with less than two outs when the team really needs it. When you're with the Phillies, you fail to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd with no outs when the team really needs it."

JR Phillips:

"Typical Feliz... When you're with the Phillies, you fail to advance a runner from 1st to 2nd with no outs when the team really needs it."

What?  THAT'S typical Feliz?  You'll have to refresh my memory as to when he's played with the Phillies, because all the drinking I did back in my 20s might have killed enough brain cells that I don't remember this time frame you are referring to where Feliz played for the Phillies.

Do you see how unreasonable that argument appears? My point clearly wasn't about either just the first sentence (when Feliz played for the Giants), or just the second sentence (when Feliz is playing for the Phillies), nor is it claiming he's played for the Phillies before (although your use of my abbreviated quote may make it appear that way).  I think most reasonable people would find the commonality between the two sentences - Feliz's inability or unwillingness to advance runners - and assume my point is about Feliz's performance regardless of the team he plays for.

This is equally true of my original Sabean quote:

"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. When you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."

My point clearly wasn't about either just the first sentence (when Sabean was trying to compete by signing vets), or just the second sentence (when Sabean is trying to rebuild from within), nor is it claiming he's tried to rebuild from within before (although your use of my abbreviated quote may make it appear that way).  I think most reasonable people would find the commonality between the two sentences - Sabean's habit of misrepresenting the actual makeup of his team - and assume my point is about Sabean's spin doctoring regardless of what kind of team he's assembled.

DOWDIFICATION - Deliberate omission of a term or terms to change the meaning of a quote. (Refers to journalist Maureen Dowd)

by English Professor on Jan 29, 2008 5:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Apples and Oranges
Perhaps an experienced editor could have helped you better word your quote.  Because when you say, "When A is the case, you do B.  When C is the case, you do D," what you are saying is, "You have experienced A, and this has caused you to do B.  You have also experienced C, which caused you to do D."

So I'm going to help you out, professor.  Why?  Because I too know the burden of typing something, only to realize I didn't effectively make my point or that the way I worded something, it could be taken completely out of context.  Plus, I'm just a really nice guy who likes to help.  So what you MEANT to say was the following:

"This is typical Sabean. When you're trying to compete by signing over-the-hill vets, you tout experience, professionalism, and clubhouse chemistry, even if you're signing/trading for known malcontents like Pierzynski, Hillenbrand, and Benitez. Now that you're trying to rebuild from within, you talk about youth, speed, defense, and desire, even if you're planning to have the youngsters ride the bench most of the year."

It's just a simple word change, professor.  But now you're giving an example of something that's happened in the past as well as an example of something that's happening in the present.

You're welcome.  Can we go back to discussing baseball, the Giants, and Sabean's letter now that I've cleared up your message for you?

Because I really want to remind you - yet again - that Sabean's letter was a letter to convince season ticket holders to renew.  And as any reasonable person could easily comprehend, trying to put a positive spin on something is going to be a far more effective method of encouraging renewals than saying, "Yeah, we suck.  Don't bother coming to the ballpark this year."

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
With Schierholtz replacing Roberts,the Giants' outfield would be nearly average -- which would place it FAR above the level of their infield.

Can anyone remember a worse infield than the Giants would be likely to field today?

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
It really is tough. The '85 version: David Green/Manny Trillo/Jose Uribe was pretty terrible, but Chris Brown had a pretty good year that year. And 3/4 of the '83 infield probably was the in running for the worst ever (Brad Wellman, Tom O'Malley, Johnnie LeMaster, OPS+ of 55, 94, and 74 respectively), but Darrel Evans ruined it by having one of his best seasons at 1B.
My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jan 28, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I was going to throw in Brenly at C those two years to make a run for worse... but Molina might be a worse hitter!  Oh what a difference 20 years makes:

Brenley's 1985: .220/.311/.391 = OPS+ of 100!
Molina's  2007: .276/.298/.433 = OPS+ of 86

Also, walks are good.

by zenbitz on Jan 28, 2008 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Wow, adjusted OPS is such agreat stat. Thanks. I knew all along Molina wasn't as good last year as many other Giants fans have been telling me.
Your 2010 NL rookie of the year,... Andy D'alessio

by ramirez415 on Jan 29, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Mayor, check your email.  I just sent you a note with an idea regarding 2008.
Is anyone working on a drug to treat RPS? (Restless Penis Syndrome)

by Goofus on Jan 28, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
This reads like " one of those" letters from  "THAT" ex.  Most people over 30 ( and probably many under 30)  know what I mean.  The "ex" that treats you worse then crap at different points then takes to beyond heaven at other points. Knows what to say then says just enough  of what you want to hear  to twist  the thorn in your side  while salting the wound salt with hope. All I can say is I can't fault for either choice just don't trust the words too much tell you see actions fitting to them.

by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Don't renew.

If he has said something like this, I'd say give them your hard-earned thousands:

"The team has sucked the past few years and I have been the puppet of a regime content to stuff its pockets full of your money.  I'm trying to turn that all around now.  I want to be committed to winning baseball.  Seriously.  I promise."

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Jan 28, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
"In recent years, you have become accustomed to us building our teams with an influx of veteran players, in many cases on a one-year basis.

I'm calling bullshit! Even over 40 Omar Vizquel got an optional second year! Roberts, Winn, Zito, Durham, Molina, Aurilia, all working on multi-year contracts!

If by "one year basis" you mean Bonds and Klesko... then maybe. Otherwise, this is the first line in a long line of lines being fed to us here that don't have more than a splintered wooden leg to stand on.

I agree with Goofus that there are some good things he acknowledges here. Talking about the moves he didn't make is good not just because it's true, but because it's true AND he didn't make them by not trying to make them. In the past we would have offered oversized contracts to Carlos Lee, Juan Pierre, Dave Roberts, Barry Zito, Joe Funtime, The Giles Brothers, and Kevin Costner, waited for those to fall, and then fill in the gaps with Aurilia and Klesko. This year he offered a decent contract to Rowand, and generally didn't stretch with anybody else.

Which is to say, any good things he did before tended to be the luck of some other team being dumber than we are. This year, we actually tended to abstain from being dumb in the first place. Which is encouraging in a funny sort of way.

There's the usual rhetorical spit and dribble we get about Aaron Rowand, speed and defense, fundamentals, blah blah. That's nothing to get bent out of shape about, since it's basically standard fare for fan appeasal and 1) doesn't mean a lot, and 2) doesn't not mean a lot. Generally just words. People like words.

It's also good the way he acknowledges the bullpen, which comes on the heels of being expertly inactive with bullpen moves (after scaring the hell out of me by sounding like he was going to spend on every bullpen arm available when the offseason started). Acknowledging Brian Wilson is great, talking up Hennessey in all the right ways is fine by me, and bringing up Tyler Walker is just the magic of comic threes.

I think the only things that really bothered me were that first line about "usually on a one year basis," which was crap, a total lie, and an obvious early attempt to pull one over, then the line about "three center fielders roaming the outfield" (that, because it's just so painfully painful), and then the bit about "doing what it takes to score one run an inning," which sounds nice, but if you even generously assume that a team aiming to score one run an innng succeeds half the time, they still only score 4 runs a game, with the occassional 5 runner in there. Those are none of them even falsely reassuring statements. They are just transparent, misleading, and without a shred of logic.

The rest of the letter isn't much. A few good things, a few standard rhetoric things that aren't worth it to get mad about, and a few things that irk me.

Its not depressing, and I guess that's something!

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One year contracts
Bonds, Klesko, and Feliz in 2007.
Vizcaino, Greene, and Wright in 2006.
Jeffrey Hammonds in 2004...

Which is not to say that they haven't given entirely too many multi-year contracts to players who clearly didn't deserve it.

2008: The year the Giants begin to stop sucking.

by EliminateMe on Jan 28, 2008 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: One year contracts
Ooooh. I forgot that Feliz was working down a one year contract last year. For some reason I just kept thinking he was closing out his last multi-year deal. Good point.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
A say renew. This letter seems very realistic and honest. As anxious as I am for the Giants to rebuild, I think we've seen with the A's that you have to be willing to give up your homegrown favorites to get the kind of prospects they've gotten. The Giants haven't traded Cain or Lincecum--the A's traded their equivalent. No one wants to trade those guys, and Sabean knows that no one else is worth anything. I like the patience we've seen so far--it suggests that these guys have been dealing with the hard truths and coming down from their Barry highs! If anything, this letter suggests to me a move in the right direction.
Plus, think about all the loyal Warriors fans who've finally been rewarded--don't you want to be there in your regular seats when things turn around?

by Boo on Jan 28, 2008 12:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I hate the way this sounds but Cain and Lincecum are much better then Haren who recently left  the A's.  I know this will probably  start a firestorm  but really Haren had how many seasons to post his numbers?  Has how much service time left under team control? And is how many years older then Cain or The Enchanter? I agree you have to give something to get something  but its very similar to saying Lowry  is in the same class as Haren.

by daveinexile on Jan 28, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the gist of what you say
but Cain at least doesn't really have an edge over Haren in terms of team control.

Haren is under control for the next 3 years at about $15.5M.

The Giants control Cain for 4 more years, 1 more year of minimum wage, then 3 arby years.

Once Cain hits arby, he is pretty likely to be more expensive than Haren.

by rfloh on Jan 28, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I agree with the gist of what you say
Yes I fully agree on that.  

But the ability to buy out Cain's arbitration years is there for any team that controls him. Which leads to the off topic if Sabean completes his off season of limited activity on bring in young help  securing the costs of a Cain would be a very solid move in my eyes.

by daveinexile on Jan 29, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
The letter Woody proposed seems far more honest to me.  :)

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Two things:
  1. Saying not to be surprised if the team that starts the season isn't the same one that starts ST means he knows there are still holes to fill. I would think that doesn't mean something like signing Tony Clark, which he could do anytime. So I'd say it is still to early to tell what this team's lineup will be, and how much fun it will be to watch.
  2. That he used tact when he meant tack bugs the hell out of me. Doesn't he have someone to proof read?

by marklar on Jan 28, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Damn! I need a proof reader too.

"So I'd say it is still too early..."

by marklar on Jan 28, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
My guess would be that Brian's letter was ghost-written.  Or perhaps it was edited at the end of the day.

by sharksrog on Jan 28, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
...sabeean is "sending us tullips mistaken for lillies."
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Jan 28, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"edited at the end of the day" !
Well done, my friend.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 28, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I don't think it's a proofing problem. I think it's a "The guy who write Magowan and Sabean's letters" problem.

Observe

I make a comment in that Diary about the exact same obnoxious phenomenon.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
That is too funny. It is amazing how both Sabean and Magowan misused the exact same word. What are the odds?

by marklar on Jan 28, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sabean's eggcorn
Pleased to see I'm not alone in being bothered. All of us are not alone. I found out today there's a name for this phenomenon of hearing something wrong and then spreading it around. They're called "eggcorns" (as in oak trees come from "eggcorns"), at least in one small corner of the Internet called the Eggcorn Database: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

Here you'll find Sabean's writer's faux pas, among many others:
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/76/tact/

So, one should go there if one wants to "slack one's thirst" for this sort of thing:
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/989/slack/

And I'm not a sponsor nor even a contributor to the site, so I have no "alterior motive":
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/961/alterior/

Neither am I "in high dungeon":
http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/922/dungeon/

Merely amused by these malapropisms, "to name a view": http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/894/view/

matt25

by matt25 on Jan 28, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
That seems like a great site, for all intensive purposes.

by dmunk on Jan 29, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
I'm extremely sorry for being that guy. I know nobody likes that guy, and the only reason I'm going to be him is because this is a secret pet peeve of mine. So again, no excuses on my part, but sorry to put you through it.

"For all intents and purposes."

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2008 1:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
Oh Shit.

So I'm a jerk AND I'm just not very smart to boot.

Visualize: ::Me:: ::Gaping Hole:: <sees hole, falls in anyway>

It would have been kind of funny if I was joking, too....

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
Don't worry, it's a mute point.
Is anyone working on a drug to treat RPS? (Restless Penis Syndrome)

by Goofus on Jan 29, 2008 6:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
A moo point; it's a cow's opinion. It means nothing. It's moo.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 29, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well quoth, my *Friend*
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 29, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
That's what happens when you charge in with wreckless abandon.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Jan 29, 2008 8:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At least he's polite, and yells "Four!"
Look out! Howie corrects that which is better played with no mulligan.

It's just part of the course.

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2008 1:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
Irregardless, I forgive you.

by dmunk on Jan 29, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
My ex-wife used to say things like, "This will exasperate the situation."  

Drove me nuts.

Is anyone working on a drug to treat RPS? (Restless Penis Syndrome)

by Goofus on Jan 29, 2008 7:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
I think with this kind of thing it's time that we nip that in the butt.

by marklar on Jan 29, 2008 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sabean's eggcorn
Holy cow that's a lot of ribbing! I guess I bought this on myself, though.
He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2008 7:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just a friendly game
Marklar, that's totally uncalled for. Now you're playing dirty poo.

by Moggeee on Jan 30, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
"As we stress pitching, speed and defense in the new era of Giants baseball, the 30-year-old All-Star embodies those three attributes while also coming off the finest offensive season of his career in 2007."

Aaron Rowand embodies pitching?  Hwhaa?

I second the vote for a proofreader.

I still have soft-focus, string-soundtracked dreams of a Lowry for Encarnacion swap.

by juanboy on Jan 28, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Suck my balls Sabean!!!  Suck them long and hard.
Please don't trade Cain or Lincecum!

by BondOrBust on Jan 28, 2008 2:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Hard?

Yikes.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I sort of agree with Ramirez415. I think Sabean's trying to sell this year's model of car.  He calls attention to the team's stronger points ("Just look at that rotation! Shiny! Can you hear that outfield defense just purring?  Like a dream, huh?!  And here, just lean in right here--do you smell that scrappiness? I'm tellin' ya, you won't get that with any other team!"). But he doesn't mention the team's shortcomings, such as how badly underpowered the team is.

But Sabean is just doing his job. I certainly don't expect a letter like this one to be anything other than what this is. The man is trying to sell season tickets, what else is he going to say? He's not going to offer up a stark, brutally frank assessment of things and expect the season ticket orders to come rolling in.

I do like that at least Sabean is right (in my opinion) about the pitching rotation, the late-inning bullpen and the outfield defense(in that order) being likely team strengths. And I like the line about the best moves having been the ones not made. I don't know if Sabean is convinced that trading away Lincecum or Cain would've been stupid, but I'm sure he knows it would've been very unpopular.

I don't like the references to "maufacturing runs", "better situational hitting" and "playing for one run in an inning".  I read stuff like that and think, "losing baseball".

I also don't like that Sabean describes Aaron Rowand's "all-or-nothing" attitude as his "most marketable trait". That sounds like a bad slip-up on the part of Sabegowan's ghost writer--even worse than the "tact" error. It's as if the writer is taking in-house selling points left over from when the front office was considering signing Rowand ("He's an all-out player! He runs into fences! The fans love that! We can market him and the '08 team that way!"). In a letter to fans the trait should be described as "exciting" or "attractive", but not "marketable".

by tobias on Jan 28, 2008 5:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
This is at least the 4th time SF has attempted to move on with younger players. In '58, a fresh start was conducted by the Giants after they moved from NY.  Cepeda, Davenport, Kirkland, Schmidt, F. Alou, McCormick etc., were infused with Mays and some vets. Then McCovey, Marichal, Perry were added soon after.  They had winning seasons until they started getting old in '72. A new breed came  next about that time: Bryant(briefly), Rader, Maddox, Matthews, J. Clark. Montefusco.  They didn't do too  well.  You gotta love these kids- W. Clark, Thompson, Williams- The beginning of a Giant renaissance,  then Barry joined up.  Now 2008, Frandsen, Ortmeier, Lewis, Davis....perhaps 2010. Keep your tickets, but stay away from the $8.50 beers.

by drysdalecousin on Jan 28, 2008 5:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
ortmeier and frandsen starting at the corners just doesn't quite make this into 1986.  Sorry.
you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area

by nick on Jan 28, 2008 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
i think you are missing some poeple in your list of young Giants.  I think Sabes is syaing that its thses kides you gotta love: Cain, Lincecum, Lowry (and Fransden and Ortmeier maybe).

by kennv on Jan 29, 2008 8:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Of course it's Cain and Lincecum period. Not Frandsen. Not Ortmeier. Not Lewis.  2010 is a hopeful year for our next chance at meaningful baseball in June.

by drysdalecousin on Jan 29, 2008 6:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Frankly I have trouble seeing that. Hopefully 2010 will be the first year of a new regime, but to imagine it won't be a last-place quality team seems rose-eyed to me. We have a serious talent gap and I just don't see a lot of alternatives for closing it in the next couple of years. In addition, several starters will have their contracts expire the previous winter which means again we'll be scrambling to fill some holes.

I'd be pretty surprised if the next 3 years don't see the worst record in franchise history recorded at least once.

My boy ain't fat, he's just big boned. Big bat, too.

by Roger on Jan 30, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I just realized... This is essentially Sabean's "State of the Giants Address."

No more commentary beyond that. Not from me.

He is Vengeance. He is the Knight. He is Dave Righetti. PRAY TO HIM!

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2008 7:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
How about we sell "Sabean's Last Day" countdown clocks and bumper stickers?
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jan 28, 2008 7:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Does that mean we can impeach him?!?  Quick, someone send a marginally attractive intern to his office, STAT!
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 29, 2008 2:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Its the typical Sales pitch by somebody who has an inferior product that is overpriced by a significant amount, hoping to minimize their losses until they can turn things around and balance off some of the losses by swiping the "Welcome to Pier 39" sign and hanging it over the entrance to PacBell Park.

Actually a pretty mundane, boilerplate solicitation letter.

My response:

Dear Brian:

When a monkey flies out of hell. When a pig's ass freezes over. When a Pope shits in the woods and when Yogi Berra face-fucks the fat lady will you see my fat ass in your tourist-trap. Actually Brian, I hope Selig knuckles under to Henry Waxman's demands and suspends your ass and fines Magowan's ass too. It would serve the both of you right for selling Bonds out, instead of actually pursuing and promoting the truth about PEDs, and the corruption of owners and the commissioner. For not calling out the weasels in MSM that you thought were your allies. You sat by and let a bunch of haters tear apart the greatest player to ever wear a Giants uniform, and never said a word. Fuck your Aron Rowan, this year's version of Bobby Murcer. And who gives a fuck about the greatest shortstop in Indian's history. You think Omar is going into the HOF in a Giants unit? Moron.

The Giants won't be seeing any of my money until you're gone. The game passed you by. Go back to the fucking Yankees and the rest of the assholes on the East Coast where your brand of cynicism is actually appreciated. Shitbag.

by E Ticket on Jan 28, 2008 8:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
e muthamuckin tellin it like it is.
dude, well ranted.
"cynical yet whimsical giants related signature"

by The Gene Hackman on Jan 28, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
Pitching, speed, and defense.
Pitching, speed, and defense.
Pitching, speed, and defense.
Pitching, speed, and defense.
Pitching, speed, and defense.

BLAH !

Go F yourself Sabes.  Chicks aren't the only ones that dig the long ball and with this crack lineup you've pulled out of your arse, we'll be lucky to hit a bomber once a month.

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 29, 2008 2:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
While I don't blame the guy for allowing someone else to draft a letter that doubles as a load of BS, I don't think it's so wise to sign the letter with his own name. One, he's endorsing said BS. Two, he's taking responsibility for said BS without actually knowing what he's signing on, and thus without any intent to make any real changes. Three, I hate him. And I think three is the most important part of all.

Look, I'm going to the ballpark in 2008, 2009, 2010, and beyond because I'm a sad pathetic addict to the sport and I'll die a Giants fan. It's a disease. I know. It doesn't mean I'm not angry at the imbeciles who run my team. It just means I have to suffer a lot of crap to follow the team I love, and that's the only area of my life where I'm willing to put up with a neverending stream of crap. We all have one of those (or more) that we deal with.

Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 29, 2008 9:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, "BS" *are* the guy's intials.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 29, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Well, "BS" *are* the guy's intials.
I'm playing by Grant's rules by not using the full profanity. But yes, Brian Sabean is truly bullshit.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 30, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I thought this part of the letter was somewhat intriguing. It sounds like something is in the works if other pieces fall into place.

"I assure you that we are not standing pat with our club. We are always looking to strengthen our team for both the present and the future. With that said, it is quite possible that the team that reports to Scottsdale in three weeks will not be the same team that opens the season March 31 at Dodger Stadium."

by Buzzword on Jan 29, 2008 3:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Letter from Sabean... your thoughts?
I think the meaning of this paragraph is pretty clear.  When Crede proves himself to be healthy the Giants will trade a young pitcher to get him.
Personally, I wish we have just re-signed Pedro Feliz.

by giantsrainman on Jan 29, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Noopolitik
By resigning as Mayor of 311 are you endorsing Prop 93? You're limiting your own term here.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 30, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Noopolitik
You crack me up!
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 30, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Noopolitik
Polisci majors need to make stupid polisci jokes amirite?
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 30, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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