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Our Little Unit?

by thehavenot on Sep 12, 2007 10:47 PM PDT Comment 42 comments

Dear Diary,

So I thought that right after an outing where Sanchez throws 80 pitches in three innings is the perfect time for me to make a possibly out-there comparison. Bad timing? Maybe. But here goes.

Jonathan Sanchez could be Randy Johnson.

<crickets>

I'm serious. Jonathan Sanchez, our Jonathan Sanchez, ol' number 53 himself, potentially has it in him to be Randy Johnson. Well, when I say he could be Randy Johnson I mean he could put up similar numbers, not that he could be a 6'10" white guy with a mustache and a mullet.

What's that? You think the latter is the better bet going forward?

Come on, have a little faith. Here I'll show you why I think what I think. Sanchez is 24 years old. In 48 innings in the majors this year he has a better than 9 K/9 ratio to go along with his 4.5 BB/9 ratio.

Randy Johnson made his major league debut at the age of 24 and pitched 26 innings. He then pitched 160 innings and had a BB/9 of 5.4 Even more interesting, Johnson only put up a K/9 of 7.3. Over the next three seasons, until his breakout 1993 season, he posted BB/9 of 4.9, 6.8(!) and 6.4, with K/9 of 8, 10.22 and 10.33.

You'll notice that Sanchez has both a better BB/9 and better K/9 ratios than Johnson did (Granted in a small sample size).

Here's the thing, I realize that Sanchez doesn't throw as hard as Johnson but the delivery is very similar to Johnson's delivery and the results are very similar to Johnson's early career. Will Jonathan make the breakthrough that Johnson did (at the age of 29!)? Who knows. But the potential is there.

This is why Sanchez should be in the Giants rotation next year. And this is why we should not be trading him.

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Re: Our Little Unit?

I disagree. I think you should call every other GM and sell them on your theory. Sanchez's value will go way up and we may get something worthwhile.

Johnson threw 100 MPH or close to it. he was also really tall and his release point was much closer to the plate. He was a freak of nature.

Sanchez is a normal sized lefty with good stuff.

I think Sanchez is much more likely to be a Randy...

...

wait for it...

Myers.

by positiveuphemism on Sep 12, 2007 10:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Randy Johnson had the anatomy to match some of the most electric stuff baseball has ever seen. That slider is probably a top 25 pitch of all time.

Sanchez could be great, but he is nowhere close to Randy Johnson.

Statistics are fantastic, but sometimes an eye-ball test does the trick.

Now, if Sanchez manages to develop a plus-plus slider with excellent control and ups the MPH on his fastball to say 95-98, I say you might have something. Unfortunately, until then i'm going to have to disagree.

he does need to be in the rotation though.

Pedro Feliz: He kinda hits home runs?

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 12, 2007 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I think that the main difference between the two is that until Randy Johnson "put it together," he was always doing less with more than Jonathan Sanchez has ever done, and most of it has to do with his size.

It's not just that RJ is unbelievably physically gifted, it's that those gifts (his height and strength) were esaily his biggest obstacles. When he strugled it was because he didn't have control of his body, because being so much bigger than everybody else meant his mechanics had to be more precise to get the same kind of control, and because of the deeper angle on his pitches cutting from left to right, his control had to be better than everybody else to begin with to throw a convincing strike for the ump.

Sanchez doesn't something like that. He has a whole different set of problems to overcome, many of which involve the strength of his arm (in terms of injuries) and the quality of his pitches themselves more than simply "control." Johnson never really had a problem with the quality of his stuff, and until his back went out he was about a zero on the injury risk-o-meter.

I certainly do not disagree that in a best case scenario Sanchez could have results that resemble Johnson, but I would say that the two will have significantly different career paths toward those results should they happen, and that Sanchez's results would have to come out of being a much different type of pitcher than Johnson ever had to be.

There is a place where the comp is there and is accurate, but kind of only in the way that you could compare Pedro Martinez to Roger Clemens (to use an extreme example).

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2007 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

I've gotta disagree with you on a couple of those counts.

Though Randy Johnson is much larger and had a harder time putting his mechanics together and getting all those arms and elbows together into repeatable patterns, Johnathan Sanchez has also struggled to control his body and has a very similar delivery at the low 3/4. His slider is different to Johnson's, yet could be a definite plus pitch with it's 3 plane movement, but he has almost no control over it.

Randy Johnson actually should have been and was considered a possible injury risk. He had terrible, awful arm action and the fact that he hadn't injured his arm is a testament to his freak-of-nature-ness. The guy's a nut.

Sanchez has to do something darastic to even come close to RJ, but he could be very very good with a couple of changes.

Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Sep 13, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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He won't be Randy Johnson, but he'll have a very nice major league career. Hopefully it will be with the Giants. As for his trade value, from what I've heard it's already high. Sabean is reluctant to part with him, and I don't blame him. I would still look to move Noah Lowry, and I would keep ALL my young pitchers if other GM's stubbornly refuse to give us proper value for them. I'd rather wait for the A guys and be bad for awhile, then watch a guy like Sanchez torture us with another team for the next decade, like Joe Nathan already is.

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by rxmeister on Sep 13, 2007 4:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

Hells yeah.

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by Anticon23 on Sep 13, 2007 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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wow!!!! all of the negativity to this diary is very disheartening. you know, i almost made a diary like this myself, except for the stats, which at this point in the season i could care less about, even more so when the giants stink like they do. but most of the comments made have been "sanchez doesn't throw 100mph like johnson did" well that was given at the beginning if you read the diary.

and then this one is my favorite: "I think that the main difference between the two is that until Randy Johnson 'put it together,' he was always doing less with more than Jonathan Sanchez has ever done, and most of it has to do with his size."

so what opportunity has sanchez been given? three starts and most of the his innings have come in relief. i think the book is still out on what sanchez will do.

but i have to agree with thehavenot. i do see a little of johnson in sanchez. he has the low three-quarter release, and he comes at you from an odd angle, making the ball harder to pick up. also he is wild like johnson was when he first came up. but johnson figured out how to harness his wildness into out (see john kruk's all-star at-bat against him). no sanchez doesn't hit 100mph, but he hits 93-95, and putting that on the inside corner will make any hitters thumbs numb. also, his slider is very similar to johnson's. it is a late breaker and with enough mph difference between the fastball and slider, it is a definite stikeout pitch.

so thehavenot, is not far off in my opinion. but, sanchez needs at least 2 more years of solid starting before we can gauge anything right now. if i was to trade anyone it would be lowry. his injuries that he has been getting (and not with his arm) scares the hell out of me. especially from a pitcher who relies on junk to get someone out. if he is having arm problems and his curveball is one of his better pitches (the change-up obviously the best of his throws) then i would trade him now!!! he has had a great year on a bad team. his contract is pretty friendly and he is still very young. i think the giants could get more for lowry than they could for sanchez. lowry is a proven starter in the bigs, has a good ERA this year, and has 14 wins on a shitty team.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.

by Cynema the Band on Sep 13, 2007 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Whoa

You're grossly misreading my comment there.

When I say that Johnson was doing less with more, I mean he had much better stuff than Sanchez, and was doing less with it. It had nothing to do with opportunity.

And I don't think it's much of an arguable point. On top of the fastball, Johnson always had one of the top sliders in the game, but his results didn't match that until he got his mechanical control worked out at the ripe age of 29.

Sanchez's stats actually comp pretty well against Johnson, but he's doing it without as much at his disposal. So Sanchez is doing more with what he has than Johnson was doing, but the fact remains he doesn't have as much. Also, the idea is that Johnson had more to work with to begin with, which is why his success was so remarkable once he did figure it out.

How is that possibly a stupid or pessimistic statement? I then went on to say that Sanchez does have the potential to put up similar numbers to Johnson. And I think that is remarkably optimistic, especially for a guy who voted "Trade Sanchez" in our poll a little more than a week ago. But if his results do end up resembling Johnson, it won't be because he resembles Johnson.

Then I compared Sanchez and Johnson to Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens to hyperbollically illustrate my point, which, I believe, you missed completely.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2007 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Whoa

i never said it was a stupid comment. and i still don't see how you can say the sanchez has "less". if you mean less mph on the fastball, well most do, if you mean less of a slider, besides rob nen tell me someone who had a better slider. but sanchez does have a changeup, which johnson never regularly featured. johnson was primarily a two-pitch pitcher. and both pitches were unhittable. then he got control of them and he became dominant. sanchez has the possibility to follow the johnson mold, with more pitches to utilize. do people remember that johnson came up with the expos? nice of them to give up on someone so early. so once again i say move lowry before you move sanchez, especially with lowry developing arm trouble.

but the bottom line, and what this diary was started as, was a comparision between the two pitchers. and purely looking at their delivery and their electric "stuff" yes it is a fair comparison. anyone who can predict the future of sanchez and if he will turn out to be like johnson is full of crap. if you want to compare what johnson did after he got control of his stuff, then fine do it. but talk to me in 3-5 years after sanchez gains control and we'll see what numbers he can put up with the control and then we'll talk.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.

by Cynema the Band on Sep 14, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Whoa

I fully believe that Sanchez is capable of putting up similar numbers to Johnson if things go right, but I don't think that still makes it an accurate comp in terms of the pitchers. Randy Johnson always had two of the top pitches in baseball with his slider and his fastball, and Sanchez has no such thing. You all but admit that, but you discount the idea that Johnson had more to work with? I don't think that makes a lot of sense.

Then, they may have similar motions, but Sanchez is smaller and has a slighter frame to begin with. The two don't have the same pitch selection, and the biggest similarity is "control issues," which would describe about 95% of 24 year old pitchers in professional ball.

I'm not saying it's a BAD comp, because the numbers are there, more or less. I'm saying it's a tough comp to uphold when you step away from those numbers because of the major differences between the two pitchers - which, largely, would be the same if you were trying to comp Johnson with anybody.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2007 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Whoa

well i don't think i can agree with the fact that johnson had more to work with. if johnson did, it would only be slightly and that is based on his fastball. but the other day i saw sanchez strikeout ,i want to say connor jackson with the d-backs, but i could be mistaken, in the first inning on a slider that was over the plate, but because of the late movement it fooled him. to me that is a damn good slider. is it as good as the mullet-man, time will tell. now the one MAJOR difference between the two pitchers is the intimidation factor. johnson sure would scare the hell out of me more than sanchez does. just looking at johnson on the screen and i have nightmares. he is a big ugly dude who is about to unleash a 95 to 100mph fastball and HE doesn't even know where it was going. yeah, i think i would mess myself.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.

by Cynema the Band on Sep 14, 2007 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

It's not negative to balk at the comparison to Randy Johnson. Most of the posters here are saying we love Jonathan and think he's gonna be great. It would just about break my heart if the Giants traded him before really giving him a chance to do his thing as a starter.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

if you have to compare the two by saying that Randy Johnson is much taller and more intimidating, has a better fastball and slider, and doesn't have the change that Sanchez has, it's certainly not an apt comparison, is it?? Except for some numbers, they really have nothing in common. When I think of Randy Johnson I think of a close to seven footer who could throw a fastball 100mph into his FORTIES. (PEDS??) Sanchez will never throw harder than he does now and he is basically low to mid nineties. I think he's going to be terrific, but Randy Johnson was basically the best pitcher in the game, and when you look at a possible future rotation of Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner, Alderson and an aging Zito, Sanchez will have a tough time even being a number five starter on such a talented team. The great thing for Giants fans is that we could conceivably have guys who can't get into our rotation who can be number ones on other teams.

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by rxmeister on Sep 15, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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where is the guarantee that "The Bum" and Alderson even make it to the bigs, let alone stay there. maybe they are the trade bait instead of sanchez.

Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.

by Cynema the Band on Sep 15, 2007 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

And there's always the possibility that Alderson profiles better as a reliever than a starter, what with his high stress motion.

Brian Anderson: converting saves and dominating as best he can.

by Anticon23 on Sep 15, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Closer in the making!

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 17, 2007 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Skinny unit

I think it's dangerous to compare a guy who has limited ML success to a guy who won the NL Cy Young four years in a row, plus a fifth Cy Young in the AL before that run.

I want Sanchez to succeed as much as anyone on this site does. I think he'll be great. It's really too early to tell what he'll be, good or bad. But I think I can say the RJ comparison is a bit too pie in the sky.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2007 6:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Amen, Sister

I'm probably the #1 Jonathan Sanchez fan and think he will be a solid #2 starter for many seasons.

by wilriv21 on Sep 13, 2007 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Amen, Sister

Would be best to wait until he has a full ML season before any predictions are made. He's pitched 51 innings this year, his most at the ML level, and 91 innings overall. Not much on which to base predictions.

How do they handle pitching in the Arizona Fall League? I hope Sanchez gets innings as a starter down there, but with Pereira going as well as the other possible starters on the Scottsdale club I'm not sure what chances Sanchez (or for that matter, Pereira) will get as a starter. They have AZ's Max Scherzer, Esmerling Valdez, and Greg Smith, TB's Mike Prochaska, Toronto's David Purcey (who is on the DL according to MiLB.com) and Ricky Romero. It's important for Sanchez to just get innings but I swear to Allah if the Giants continue to dick around with him I'll throw things.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2007 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Amen, Sister

Often they will have the starter go 4/5 innings followed by another starter (similar to spring training). Sanchez is being sent there with instructions to work on a third pitch. If successful, his 2008 season should be a lot of fun.

by wilriv21 on Sep 13, 2007 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

THe impression I get from Sanchez is left-handed Daniel Cabrera.

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by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2007 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Also, Randy Johnson had the advantage of Teh Ugly.

Sanchez as no such advantage.

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2007 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Maybe Sanchez should grow a mullet and push some cameramen. I hear that does wonders for your development!

Brian Anderson: converting saves and dominating as best he can.

by Anticon23 on Sep 13, 2007 8:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Sanchie doesn't have the Medusa factor going his way. With RJ, batters are so transfixed by his complete ugliness that he can blow fastballs and his slider by them.

I like Sanchie as a LH Daniel Cabrera. Sanchie's only plus pitch is his fastball, which is amazingly good.

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by orangeandblackattack on Sep 13, 2007 8:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Jonathan might take offense to being called "little." I don't know many guys who would wear that nickname proudly.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

That's a good point, although I would use the fear of getting hit in the head by an 100mph fastball by a pitcher who has amazing stuff, less than pinpoint control, and a mean streak over the ugliness factor. He was sort of the Mike Tyson of baseball pitchers, and alot of hitters were out before they even came to the plate. I can't see too many lefty hitters going to their manager and claiming they are hurt when facing Sanchez like they used to do when Randy Johnson was pitching.

Randy Messenger: "I'm back, you big headed fool. Stop bringing in Atchison and Munter"

by rxmeister on Sep 15, 2007 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I'm not sure I see much sense in comparing any pitcher to Randy Johnson. I'm not saying RJ is the greatest man ever to pitch but he has such unusual attributes that it just seems kinda odd to make the comparison. To me, it's a little bit like comparing a basketball player to Shaq. Can you dig it?

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by Woody Wins on Sep 13, 2007 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

I thought the topic was going to be completely different, judging by the title of the diary.

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by Natto on Sep 13, 2007 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

you were expecting an article on McCoven, comaraderie, or maybe some photos?? You sound disappointed

by wilriv21 on Sep 13, 2007 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Some photos, maybe, but I don't think the rest of those things you list are implied by the title...

Dave Righetti: You don't know him. / Read My Blog, Because I Write It

by howtheyscored on Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Stop with the Randy Johnson comparisons!! Until the kid kills a "Garlic Gull" with a heater...I'm not having it.

Even Omar thinks that Mido is an f'ing tosspot wanker.

by PacBellBoozer on Sep 13, 2007 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Maybe Sanchez is a friend to the animals?

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 13, 2007 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

I think the problem with your stat comparision may be directly related to your comment that they look the similar except for their size differences.

For comparison, consider two hitters. One being a Matt Williams type. Big guy, big swing, kills fastballs, but can't hit an off speed pitch. You can see how after a couple of 1000 ABs he could be and A type major leaguer. However, until then most of his homeruns will be fastball mistakes. Once he proves he can make a living on off speed stuff, he will start seeing more fastballs and his homeruns could skyrocket.

Now before that point you could find another smaller guy with a smaller swing without the homerun skyrocket potential who has a similar low batting average, homeruns and strikeout.

The analogy I'm trying to make (maybe poorly) is that the second smaller guy may look similar in stats before the break out. But it is the bigger guy's size that sometimes makes his stats look worse at the beginning.

I don't want to get anyone too excited but Threets has (had) a better chance of being Johnson than Sanchez

by melottfan on Sep 13, 2007 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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With his release point out near first base, Johnson is one of the most unique pitchers I've ever seen. It's hard to imagine Sanchez being so devestating against lefties.

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by Goofus on Sep 13, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Our Little Unit?

Getting progressively more OT, but

I remember that Murph and Mac were ranking the Giants by their ability to conduct an interesting interview. Sanchez and Jeff Fassero were tied for most boring.

there is no pain greater than being behind the Rockies in the standings

by oldjacket on Sep 13, 2007 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I'm not surprised. Fassero probably goes on and on about the Great War and wearing onions on his belt.

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by Natto on Sep 13, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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In those days, nickels used to have pictures of bumblebees on 'em.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 13, 2007 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I don't think I've ever heard Sanchez speak. Does he have a thick accent? Munter doesn't seem like the most interesting guy in the world.

Attention all cars: Be on the look-out for Ryan Klesko's missing power.

by Goofus on Sep 13, 2007 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Haven't heard him speak, just telling you what the hosts think. I can tell you that this was done before Rajai Davis joined the team.

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by oldjacket on Sep 14, 2007 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Randy Johnson?....no

Oliver Perez?....yes

by Deputy Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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So that was an unpopular opinion.

I come back after my 13 hour school day (I love Thursdays) to see a chorus of "whatcha smokin'?"

Well that is fine. I meant the post to have a tad of hyperbole. I knew most wouldn't like the comparison, as it is not a perfect one.

The main thing that I wanted to take out of the Randy Johnson comparison was that it is possible for pitchers to solve control problems. What are Sanchez's two problems? He only has one good pitch and he has a control problem. Yet, he still does decent work. Now imagine if he solves those two problems. A solid number 2 you say? Well, yeah, but only because we've got Lincecum (by the way, Lincecum is Pedro Martinez) ;)

I'm a big fan of Sanchez because his problems are fixable. The other suggestions for Sanchez comps are good ones I think. But I use Johnson because he actually put it together. Whereas Cabrera and Perez have both shown flashes of brilliance but not much else. I am hoping for more consistancy from our man. Whether that happens or not I do not know. But a fan can hope.

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by thehavenot on Sep 14, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I think the prevailing opinion has been that while the numbers might provide a compelling comparison by which we can see that Sanchez might be able to have Johnsonesque numbers over his career, it's very hard to comp the two as pitchers because they are so different in so many ways.

But there is a basic conceit about the possibility of similar results that I don't think anybody actually disagreed with, even if most took it either skeptically or as hyperbole.

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by howtheyscored on Sep 14, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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