Barry Bonds is a cheater
Everyone is trying to poke holes into Barry and the homerun record. This is the most laughable reasoning I have read yet. It is a must read
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797
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AND HE WORE A BATTING HELMET, TOO!
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2007 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: AND HE WORE A BATTING HELMET, TOO!
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 6, 2007 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No cup
by rxmeister on Aug 6, 2007 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No cup
Therefore viagra should be banned in MLB.
by BawLa on Aug 7, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No cup
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 7, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
by bigfly71 on Aug 6, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SabeanSupporter on Aug 6, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by biff pocoroba on Aug 6, 2007 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Aug 6, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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And to think I saw the Diary title and was all ready to bust out my "Barry Bonds is not a cheater. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a cheater. But he is NOT a porn star!"
Save it for another time, Howie. Save it for another time...
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2007 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher...
This makes sense. And, sure, Bonds hit 19 batting practice home runs in a pitcher's park on Saturday, primarily to the opposite field, but I heard that his elbow pad took BP without him on Sunday and hit 27.
by Pants Man on Aug 6, 2007 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by tobias on Aug 6, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2007 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Aug 6, 2007 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Aug 6, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
Not only can you dispute the logic behind every one of his points, but if you asked him how he got to 75-100 you would be in for a real laugh.
by BawLa on Aug 7, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Aug 6, 2007 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Aug 6, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/24/051024ta_talk_rosenwald
I'm thinking he believes this stuff.
by Pants Man on Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Aug 6, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Aug 6, 2007 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Aug 6, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
But he does a good job outlining from a design/engineering p.o.v. how Bonds's elbow protector might help his swing. Whether it's cheating or not, it's worth discussing, isn't it?
by leftymalo on Aug 6, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
et tu Lefty?
when Lemond pushed the cycling-technology envelope by using special handle-bars during the 1989 Tour de France, they called him an INNOVATOR, not a cheater.
The technology may well be worth discussing, as are Aero-bars, but libeling Bonds in the process kinda makes it clear he doesn't care about the technology or discussing it, just about cutting Bonds down.
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 6, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: et tu Lefty?
The writer of the article didn't have good intentions re. Barry's reputation, obviously, but does that mean we have to throw everything he says in the trash? It's so fucking partisan, it's like political theater around here sometimes. If you're not 100% for Barry, you're against him? Is that how it works?
by leftymalo on Aug 7, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: et tu Lefty?
BP Radio just posted an interview with Mark Silva, the guy that custom makes the brace for Barry this morning. It's a good listen as Will Carol and Silva run down the list discussing each item in the original article.
http://baseballprospectus.com/radio/
I recommend that anyone interested in this story go listen to the .mp3
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: et tu Lefty?
by leftymalo on Aug 7, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: et tu Lefty?
Backtrack all you like, but we're not all ad-hominem-howling like 'dogs', neither ar we 'frothing' at our mouths. We are rejecting weak, irresponsible mud-slinging disguised as journalism. You don't have to be %100 for Bonds to see thru this article.
You might do well to wipe the corners of your own mouth, ELM.
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
Is the elbow guard more advantageous than the use of the maple bat, or the springier baseball, or the smaller ballparks, or high-definition video for reviewing your performance?
Is this a different thing than golfers experimenting with all sorts of fancy hi-tech putters?
by Skaldheim on Aug 6, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's not worth discussing
by Salemicus on Aug 6, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: No it's not worth discussing
by PacBellBoozer on Aug 6, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry Bonds is a cheater
Pitchers have been complaining for years about his armor and the advantages of such as described in the article.
Not sure how many home runs can be attributed to his elbow armor, the designer steroids or HGH but hell yes this gives him an advantage in the batters box.
by seyheystretch on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SabeanSupporter on Aug 6, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It was originally a temporary armor following elbow surgery, allowing him to come back sooner. Not sure if he can wear it indefinitely or if he must petition the league every year for permission to wear it. The armor appears to have been modified since the original one.
Otherwise it is not allowed, reason why "everyone" doesn't use it.
by seyheystretch on Aug 6, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by SabeanSupporter on Aug 6, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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When someone is standing over the plate pitches that are 'outside' the strike zone aren't outside the reach of the batter.
Read the article that you posted the link to, and no we aren't doing Stonehenge.
by seyheystretch on Aug 6, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If I recall, Craig Biggio used to wear a pretty big elbow brace, and has worn one consistently for a while now. Is he not the career leader in HBP's? All I'm saying is that if a pitcher wants to pitch inside, he will. Armor be damned.
by sfgfan on Aug 6, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Oh , absolutely.
If unrestrained , his arm would flap around unmercifully.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 6, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by biff pocoroba on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I didn't see the word "might" anywhere in this piece. If he was a little less sure of himself (or had done some simple double-blind experiments to back this theory), I would have taken this a lot more seriously. And the casual and unexplained "estimate" of 75-100 homers speaks both to arrogance and intellectual laziness of the "Willie Mays would have hit 900 home runs if he didn't play in Candlestick" variety.
by Pants Man on Aug 6, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/08/06/publiceye/entry3137576.shtml
by SFfaninNYC on Aug 6, 2007 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call.
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on Aug 6, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh , thanks a lot. I'll never sleep again.
Here you go , Wil.
Chow down , buddy.
by victor frankenstein on Aug 6, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Oh , thanks a lot. I'll never sleep again.
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Tajiri on Aug 6, 2007 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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But my favorite bit is this. Point 2 explains that the apparatus locks when the arms are extended. This gives Bonds an advantage, because normal human elbows, as we all know, are designed to collapse when the arm is extended and locked. After all, we've all seen a hitter suddenly have his elbow unlock and his hands snap back toward his body in the middle of a swing, thereby knocking himself in the face with the bat. It's just part of the game, the way Abner Doubleday intended it.
But the elbow guard is even more nefarious than that! As explained in point 3, at the moment of impact, as the elbow is thus mechanically locked into place, "the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso." Yes, even though his arms are fully extended, his upper arm is sealed to his torso. Let's all try this at home, shall we?
by Evan on Aug 6, 2007 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Aug 6, 2007 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BawLa on Aug 7, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Conspiracy Continues
Month-November: 1 + 1 = 2.
Day-22: 2 + 2 = 4.
Year-1963: 1 + 9 + 6 + 3 = 19
Add 2 + 4 + 19 = 25 BARRY BONDS'S NUMBER!
Coincidence? I Think...NOT!
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2007 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: The Conspiracy Continues
by E Ticket on Aug 6, 2007 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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http://deadspin.com/sports/barry-bonds/jeff-pearlman-on-his-subject-barry-bonds-281739.php
Bonus points if you can make it through the whole thing without getting sick.
by Stoned Slacker on Aug 6, 2007 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by SabeanSupporter on Aug 6, 2007 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Yikes. I knew the interview was going to be downhill from there.
by ololo3 on Aug 6, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Ahem*
"You know, his dad being Bobby Bonds, his uncle being Willie Mays, his cousin being Reggie Jackson ..."
Well, it appears he did. And Reggie is his uncle, right? Not his cousin?
Nice work, Pearlman and Deadspin! Keep it up.
by delorean on Aug 6, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: *Ahem*
by Natto on Aug 6, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: *Ahem*
by E Ticket on Aug 6, 2007 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by rocketdog on Aug 6, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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It's a silly piece of satire. Come on.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 6, 2007 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Aug 6, 2007 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 7, 2007 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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"In the early years of his career, lacking "armor", Bonds never achieved an OPS above 1.000. Beginning with the first appearance of armor in '92, he surpassed that number and continued to do so until last year..."
Interestingly, you know what else happened to Bonds in '92? He turned 27. Had to be the elbow protector though.
by marcello on Aug 7, 2007 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/24/051024ta_talk_rosenwald
Michael Witte seems to take this sort of thing very seriously.
by Pants Man on Aug 6, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 6, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I won't go so far as to say it taints the record, but ... just understand, this complaint is nothing new, and it wasn't dreamed up just because of the HR record.
by wedge on Aug 7, 2007 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Would you want to get zapped on the elbow that you've had surgery on before with a 95mph fastball? I bet the Giants prefer that he help protect that 20 million dollar elbow.
A lot of guys that have crowded the plate some have worn braces. Craig Biggio is the first that come to my mind.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2007 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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So clearly he has been a cheater his whole life.
by BawLa on Aug 7, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Cyborg Barry uses his powers to create a robot duplicate of all baserunners just prior to hitting baseball's first eight-run home run.
by sfmaynard on Aug 7, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by milesntrane on Aug 7, 2007 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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