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minor lines, 8/26/07

AAA: Fresno lost to Sacramento 6-3

Fresno: RF Nate Schierholtz: 3 for 3, HR, BB, IBB, SB
Fresno: LF Justin Leone: 2 for 4, SB
Fresno: DH Brian Horwitz: 1 for 3, 2B, HBP
Sacramento: DH Jeremy Brown: 1 for 2, 2 BB
Sacramento: 3B Lou Merloni: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 SO

Fresno: LHP Jonathan Sanchez: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 7 K, 0 HR
Fresno: RHP Dan Giese: 1.1 IP, 1 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
Fresno: LHP Erick Threets: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 0 HR
Fresno: RHP Carlos Hines: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR
Sacramento: RHP Brad Knox: 7.1 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HR

Schierholtz had a big game, reaching base in all four plate appearances.  His 15th HR of the season was perhaps the furthest HR to right-center field I have seen in Raley Field, easily clearing the bullpen.  Leone and Horwitz also reached base multiple times.  I would note that the organization seems to think Horwitz is the weaker player defensively.  Horwitz entered the night with a .712 OPS for the months of July and August.  Tonight was just his 8th XBH since the start of July.  The A's Brown reached base three times.  The 36-year-old Merloni was the only RiverCat with multiple hits, and he had their only XBH, which was a decisive 2-RBI double in the 8th inning to break a 3-3 tie.

Sanchez made it through six full innings in his second start with Fresno.  He threw 62 of 101 pitches for strikes.  He got his share of strikeouts, but his control was spotty.  His velocity seemed to vary too, often around 88 mph early and then around 91 mph in later innings.  Giese uncharacteristically had some trouble finding the strike zone with just 15 of 27 pitches for strikes.  Threets threw 9 of 16 pitches for strikes, although he seemed to be working around the first batter he faced with one out and a runner on third base.  His 3-2 pitch was a breaking pitch in the dirt.  Both Giese and Threets had a hitter reach on an error.  Giese's fastball was around 87 mph while Threets was around 94 mph.  Hines made his first appearance of the five-game series, which seems a bit odd considering the Grizzlies currently have only six relievers in their bullpen.  The 25-year-old Knox had another effective start against the Grizzlies.  In his previous start against Fresno (on July 4th), he allowed only an unearned run in a complete game victory.

AA: Connecticut defeated New Britain 6-4

Connecticut: RF Carlos Sosa: 2 for 5, HR, SO
Connecticut: DH John Bowker: 1 for 5, HR
Connecticut: SS Jake Wald: 1 for 2, BB, HBP

Connecticut: RHP Brooks McNiven: 6.0+ IP, 10 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HR--1 HB
Connecticut: RHP Kelvin Pichardo: 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Brian Anderson: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
New Britain: RHP Anthony Swarzak: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0 HR--1 HB

Sosa's 8th HR was a three-run, go-ahead shot in the 7th inning, and Bowker's 20th HR was a solo shot to provide an insurance run in the 9th inning.  For the second straight game, Wald reached base three times, raising his OBP to .317.

McNiven's ERA rose to 3.29.  As a starter (14 starts), his K/IP ratio is below 0.33, and his GO/AO ratio is barely above 1.50.  Pichardo retired all six batters he faced, but his ERA remains a bit above 4.00.  Anderson collected his 27th save.  The Twins' Swarzak with his second straight start without allowing an earned run lowered his ERA below 3.00.

A+: San Jose defeated Rancho Cucamonga 2-0 (10 innings)

San Jose: C Pablo Sandoval: 1 for 2, 2 BB, IBB
San Jose: 1B Travis Ishikawa: 1 for 1, HR

San Jose: RHP Joseph Martinez: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 0 HR
San Jose: RHP Ronnie Ray: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 HR
San Jose: RHP Sergio Romo: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0 HR

Sandoval's walk rate continues to be on the rise in August, with 10 of his 15 walks this year coming this month.  On the other hand, he has yet to hit a HR this month.  Ishikawa entered the game as a defensive replacement to start the 9th inning, and he hit a walk-off, two-run HR for the game's only runs.  It was his 12th HR with San Jose and his 15th HR of the year.

Martinez had his first starting without an earned run in some time (at least not in his previous nine starts).  August has been Ray's best month of the season, as he has a 3.12 ERA in 26.0 IP.  Romo continues to compile the ridiculous stats.  He has made ten appearances in August with 34 H, 3 BB and 31 K in 18.0 IP.  He has allowed just one unearned run during that time.

A-: Augusta lost to Asheville 7-4

Augusta: RF Robert Felmy: 1 for 3, 2B, BB
Augusta: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 4, 2 2B, GiDP

Augusta: LHP Steven Calicutt: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Augusta: RHP Daniel Griffin: 1.1 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Augusta: RHP Adam Paul: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
Asheville: RHP Casey Weathers: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR

Pill raised his organization-leading doubles total to 45.  Felmy's total of 28 doubles is pretty good but pales in comparison to Pill's figure.

Calicutt improved his ERA to 4.03 as he made his 15th start among 32 appearances.  Griffin had one of least effective appearances of his career.  His ERA ballooned to 4.32.  Paul made his first appearance in nearly a month.  Weathers, the Rockies' 1st round pick this year, two has two pro saves, both of them against the Giants organization.

ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Everett 15-1

Salem-Keizer: 2B Brock Bond: 3 for 5, SH, SB
Salem-Keizer: DH Garrett Baker: 4 for 4
Salem-Keizer: RF Sean Van Elderen: 3 for 5, 2B
Salem-Keizer: SS Sharlon Schoop: 2 for 3, 2 2B, BB, HBP

Salem-Keizer: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 0 HR
Salem-Keizer: RHP Daryl Maday: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR

Four singles raised Baker's AVG to .305, while three singles raised Bond's AVG to .339.  Van Elderen also had three hits to raise his AVG back to .293.  For his second straight start, Schoop had a pair of doubles.  His line with the Volcanoes is now .280/.339/.460 in 161 AB.

Joaquin had probably his best appearance of the year, setting a season high in both IP and K.  Maday, Joaquin's tandem partner, pitched just two innings but improved his ERA to 2.32.

R: Giants defeated Royals 2-1

Scottsdale: 3B Angel Villalona: 1 for 4 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: 1B Andy D'alessio: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Scottsdale: 2B Ramon Corona: 2 for 4, 2 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: C Johnny Monell: 1 for 2, 2 BB, SB

Scottsdale: LHP Roberto Martinez: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 0 HR

Villalona had his 12th double in his 50th game of the season.  Meanwhile, Corona has 7 doubles in just 17 games.  With the hat trick, D'alessio's SO/AB ratio rose above 24.0%.  Monell reached base three times and was the only Giant without a strikout (and one of three without multiple strikeouts).

The 21-year-old Martinez has pitched very well over his last three starts, with 6 H, 7 BB, 1 ER and 19 K in 17.0 IP.  He has improved his ERA to 3.22.

DSL: Giants lost to Yankees1 4-1
(in game 1 of the playoff series)

Giants: 2B Julio Izturis: 0 for 3, 2 SO, 2 E
Giants: CF Francisco Peguero: 1 for 3
Giants: C Jesus Navarro: 1 for 3
Giants: RHP Jorge Bucardo: 6.0+ IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR--1 E

Peguero and Navarro, both 19-years-old, had the only two hits for the Giants.  The nearly 18-year-old Izturis had a rough day.  The 17-year-old Bucardo pitched fairly well but suffered the loss.  His 9/7 GO/FO line is fairly consistent with his 1.10 GO/AO ratio for the season (and that ratio is much lower than his older brother's ratio).

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Jonathan Sanchez
In his both his second and third starts in Fresno, Sanchez seemed to tire around the 80 PC mark. Sanchez is still building up his arm strength and must get better control of his pitches.

by wilriv21 on Aug 26, 2007 10:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Jonathan Sanchez
I'll say...62 of 101 for strikes? Not good.
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by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 27, 2007 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Jonathan Sanchez
I thought 2/3 was considered a solid ratio, and 62/101 is only a little below that...
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by EliminateMe on Aug 27, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo stats
I thought that 34 hits was a lot in 18 innings pitched and it turns out that he only has 7 hits in his last 10 outings not 34...  I guess that is why he got awarded relief pitcher of the year for the SJ Giants.    

by super101 on Aug 27, 2007 12:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Romo stats
Wow, not sure how I made that typo.

by steve S on Aug 27, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3+4=7?
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by multiphasic on Aug 27, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
Well the loss pretty much turns out Fresno's playoff chances.

Hopefully, that frees up Schierholtz's schedule in September.

In other playoff news, the rookie league team beat the Royals, who had been tied with the Giants for first.  Now, the Royals are tied with the Mariners for second, a game behind the Giants.  All three teams have three games to play (meaning the magic number for the Giants with each team is three).

On Tuesday, the Giants will meet the Mariners.  On Wednesday, the M's and Royals will meet in the season finale.

Since we now know who the Giants got for Sweeney in an August trade, I think it's reasonable to look back at Kelvin Pichardo, part of the 2005 Tucker August trade.  Working half a season last year, he had a 4.60 ERA in six games at S-K, but was far batter working starts and relief at Augusta, with a 3.19 ERA in 12 games.  Overall, he had 59 strikeouts against 21 walks in 52 1/3 IP.  This year, Pichardo put up a 3.09 ERA in 29 games in San Jose and now has a 4.08 ERA in CT.  He has 84 strikeouts and 29  walks in 64 1/3 IP this year.  His walk total is a bit high, but his strikeout numbers are very good, and he's got a legit mid-90's fastball with good secondary pitches.  For Michael frickin' Tucker.

August trades are rare, and seem such low profile, but Sabean has pulled out at least one.  And Ben Cox, who was poor as a starter in CT but has bounced back to the tune of a 3.10 ERA in SJ, isn't all bad either.  I can't complain about this work.

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by BruteSentiment on Aug 27, 2007 1:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
Given Ben Cox's age, I have pretty much written him off.  He was on the old side last year for high-A.  That's more true now.  I wouldn't give up on Cox, but he's not even a consideration for being among the organization's top 50 prospects I think.

I am a bit interested in where others would rate Travis Denker in the organization.  How does he rate in comparison to these other hitters, for example: SS Brian Bocock, LF Brian Horwitz, 1B Travis Ishikawa, CF Michael McBryde, 2B Marcus Sanders, C Pablo Sandoval and C Adam Witter?

by steve S on Aug 27, 2007 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
Brute, was it you who had the info on Romo's delayed appearance this year? If so, what more can you say about that, and what should we make of his dominating year but lack of promotion. I'm reminded of the warning about what could possibly kill a political career: to be caught in bed with a dead woman or a live boy. Just what do the Giants have against this guy?
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by Lyle on Aug 27, 2007 6:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
I didn't have anything specific, but the probable cause was the self-inflicted broken hand at the end of last season.  The hand was broken in what was called an 'anger management' moment by the Augusta Chronicle, so there was also the inference of attitude adjustments going on.

I haven't heard any problems recently.

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by BruteSentiment on Aug 27, 2007 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Case Study
Brett Pill and Brian Horwitz make nice case studies on how SLG% and even more so, OPS undervalue XBH's.  

Pill has 45 doubles, 9 HR's and a triple for a XBH% of 40.  Horwitz has 20 doubles, 2 triples and just 1 HR for an XBH% of 32.

Yet, Horwitz has the higher SLG% .430 vs .417 and a huge advantage in OPS .800+ to .737.

Which player do you think has been more productuve for his team?

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
Wow, Doc, I've seen your argument before that OPS undervalues XBH, but the idea that SLG%, which only exists to measure the weighted impact of XBH undervalues them is little short of bizarre to me.  Frankly I'm not sure what kind of insightful comparisons can be made between full time (509AB) players in a pitching friendly Low A league and part time players (237AB) in a very very offense friendly AAA league, but all it seems to me that you've really pointed out is the exaggerated degree to which doubles make up Brett Pill's XB production this year, and the relatively small degree to which doubles can move the SLG% dial.  You seem to be suggesting that all XBH should be weighed evenly, whereas by your past admission HRs are much more valuable at creating runs than are doubles.  Ryan Rohlinger has a better SLG% despite having half as many doubles and far far fewer hits, because he has twice as many HRs. Has Pill been noticeably more productive a part of the Augusta offense than Rohlinger? I wouldn't say so.

by Roger on Aug 27, 2007 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
No, I am not suggesting that doubles are as valuable as HR's.  In fact, as you recall, I believe HR's may be the single most important offensive stat in baseball.  IMO, it is likely that Pill's 9 HR's vs 1 for Horwitz account for more of the difference in productivity than all the doubles.

As for Rohlinger, he had a pathetic BA, and 15 fewer doubles than Pill, but made up for it with 9 more HR's.  The two are actually very close in run production.

Speaking of run production, that term seeems to always drive some people a bit crazy, so I will modify the term a bit.  Instead of Runs Produced, I will call RBI's + Runs= Direct Participation In Runs Produced(DPIRP).  How's that?

Interestingly, Pill, Rohlinger and Schierholtz all had comparable XBH% and all had virtually identical DPIRP/PA's(about .28) while all those singles that Horwitz hit produced a DPIRP/PA of just .19, a very large difference.  Interestingly, if Nate's SLG% and OPS are much higher than Pill's or Rohlinger's on the strength of a much higher BA, so all those extra singles he got didn't really help his run production significantly.

Summary:  XBH's produce runs.  Singles produce not very much.

Obviously, SLG% is closer to correct valuation than OPS as a HR = 4X single in SLG% vs 2.5X in OPS.  Still, the assignment of value in SLG% is arbitrary and because it's easy, based on the number of bases achieved.  That's not the same as valuation based on run production.  With all due respect to the confounding factors in run production, I think there is ample evidence that SLG%,and even more so, OPS undervalue XBH's.  And, just to be clear, HR's should have much more value than doubles.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
I don't think you're looking at Nate's numbers right.  His SLG% isn't much higher than Pill's on the basis of all those singles or his BA.  Nate has produced more than twice the number of HRs and triples in 100 fewer ABs, and is producing doubles at a similar rate (.087 vs. .074).  I just think you're trying to give doubles too much weight.  They're much closer to singles than to HRs in terms of creating runs, it seems to me.  

Of course, any mathemetician worth his salt will tell you within a couple minutes that numbers have no inherent meaning, all their value is contextual and we quickly get a shorthand value out of SLG by knowing what is good and what is league average.  .600 is very good and .400 not so much, in other words.  But if I'm reading you right, you are attempting to say that counter-intuitively somebody with a low .400 SLG could actually be having a more productive season than say, someone with a .500 SLG% under certain circumstances. Is that what you're saying that?

As for Pill's HR future, let me say this acknowledging that it's completely anecdotal and has no sample size value.  But watching his BP the onetime I saw him, to me his current swing doesn't generate much loft.  His best swings seemed to produce low line drives but I didn't really see him get much into the air with any backspin.  Just guessing, but I'd say most of his doubles are liners into the corner or up the gap.  If he's going to turn those into HRs in the future, I think it's going to have to have more to do with swing mechanics than just with filling out his body.

by Roger on Aug 28, 2007 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
Well, I would certainly take Nate in a second over Pill as a hitter, even if they were at the same level, so I don't have a quarrel with that.

Yes, I do think that a player with a SLG% of .420 and a BA of .230 may be as valuable or more valuable than a player with a SLG% of .500 and a BA of .320.  Maybe that's accounted for in IsoP, I really haven't though about IsoP enough to say.  If that's true, maybe IsoP is a stat we should be paying a lot more attention too?

Anyway, I just think that Pill's 45 doubles is a remarkable stat and deserves some analysis of what it means both in terms of current production and future development.  Maybe it doesn't mean much, but I think it's fascinating to think about.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 28, 2007 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
By the way, speaking of weight things inappropriately, your DPIRP stat counts HRs twice for a single "participation" in a run. I would say it's no wonder that singles don't get much love in that particular equation.

by Roger on Aug 28, 2007 4:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Right
Hrs do count twice in that eguation because, with the HR, the batter generates the run all by himself.  If you want it closer to reality, you could make the equation 1/2 Runs + 1/2 RBI's, but you'd get the same ratios.  If you subtract HR's, you penalize the HR way too much.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 28, 2007 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
Remember, slugging is about total bases per at bat, not just extra bases, and that's where the difference is: Horwitz is a much better contact hitter than Pill.

I don't think having the ability to consistently hit .300+ everywhere should be held against Horwitz (although his inability to hit for extra bases consistently should be).

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by BruteSentiment on Aug 27, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
Here's another way of looking at it. Pill has accrued 212 total bases while making approximately 371 outs (509 ab - 138 hits). Horwitz has logged 102 total bases while making approximately 162 outs (237 ab - 75 h). That gives Pill a ratio of 0.57 total bases for every out, while Horwitz's is 0.63.

So yeah, Horwitz is clearly more productive.

by Evan on Aug 27, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Total Bases
Thanks for pointing that out.  Since the numerator in SLG% is total bases, I don't think I could have figured that one out on my own.

The point is, that a higher % of Horwitz TB's were generated through an accumulation of singles.  I just don't think 4 singles=1 HR or even that 2 singles= 1 double in terms of run production value because of the outs that will inevitably occur interspersed between the singles.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Total Bases
But it's not just the outs in between that matter -- the outs created by the hitter in question are crucial.

When you compare a four-total-bases-on-four-singles guy with a four-total-bases-on-one-home-run guy, you have to give them the same number of opportunities in order for the comparison to make any sense. So the first guy has had four singles without making any outs, and the second guy has hit a home run and made three outs. The first guy is at the mercy of his teammates, so some of his singles won't lead to runs one way or another; but he'll always keep a rally going. Whereas the second guy is a rally-killer three times out of four.

In other words, I think you underestimate the importance of keeping a rally going and giving the next batter a chance.

by Evan on Aug 27, 2007 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Total Bases
How many runs do you see scored as a result of only singles vs only HR's, or at least where a HR is involved.  In theory, it would be nice to keep stringing an inning along just by not making outs.  In reality, that doesn't happen very often sooner or later, usually later, the odds that any given batter is more llikely to make an out catch up with you. In reality, between 40 and 50% of all runs in MLB are scored with the contribution of a HR.  In addition, the HR is the only offensive event that produces a run without the help of another player.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
I do agree with you that OPS undervalues XBH's, because it effectively double counts the batting average, and so singles are worth more in relation to extra base hits (& walks) than they should be.

I don't agree that SLG% undervalues the XBH, i think it tells us what it's supposed to. As others have mentioned, the abilty to hit for average, is still important, rather than the raw numbers of XBH's. I can understand your point, about how extra base hits are even more important than SLG% accounts for, but that's why other statistical methods are used, such as Isolated power, etc

by GiantFan on Aug 27, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Case Study
I would note some of the important caveats being made.  First, Horwitz plays in a neutral park in a hitter's league; Pill plays in a pitcher's park in a pitcher's league.  Maybe IsoP would have been a better measure than SLG for the point I think you were making.  I think the big question, though, was whether we see Pill developing more than gap power if he can turn some of those doubles into homers.  It's been discussed why Horwitz is not likely to hit for more power.  It's been noted that Pill has an unusually slender body-type for a 1Bman.  Does that suggest he is also unlikely to hit for more power?

by steve S on Aug 27, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slender
Pill has height.  He has room to put on a lb of muscle or two and still not be overweight.  Horwitz is just small.  IMO, Pill does have the potential to convert some of the doubles into HR's.  Whether he will or not remains to be seen. Also, I would point out that 9 HR's is considerably more HR power than Horwitz has ever shown.

45 doubles just seems like a lot.  I guess I'm mostly just marveling at how little in the way of SLG% all those doubles generated. y
Yet Pill leads the team in RBI's by a considerable margin, which raised the question in my mind if doubles, like HR's are undervalued in that scoring system.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
Just want to go on record as saying that 101 pitches is way too many for Jonathan Sanchez to be throwing after just being converted back to a starter. What are the Giants' plans for him in September?? Will he join the rotation?? He better, and they better stop jerking him back and forth.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2007 7:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
great year for the grizzlies....they wont make the playoffs, but most likely will finish with a winning season

nate better get more than a callup....he better get a ton of playing time in sept

with us sending sanchez to the afl, i guess i was premature in my prediction that he would be traded....but its a looooong winter....im sticking to my prediction that he will not be a giant come next spring....cuz sabean is a sociopath

by bacci40 on Aug 27, 2007 12:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Julio is so grounded
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by hairball on Aug 27, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
This week's Ask BA question is who has the best young pitching duo in the majors, us or the Yankees.  Cain & Lincecum get the shout out in a squeaker. Yay us!

by Roger on Aug 27, 2007 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trio
Best young pitching trio in the minors:  Sosa, Bumgarner and Alderson.

by DrBGiantsfan on Aug 27, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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