minor lines, 8/26/07
AAA: Fresno lost to Sacramento 6-3
Fresno: RF Nate Schierholtz: 3 for 3, HR, BB, IBB, SB
Fresno: LF Justin Leone: 2 for 4, SB
Fresno: DH Brian Horwitz: 1 for 3, 2B, HBP
Sacramento: DH Jeremy Brown: 1 for 2, 2 BB
Sacramento: 3B Lou Merloni: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 SO
Fresno: LHP Jonathan Sanchez: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 7 K, 0 HR
Fresno: RHP Dan Giese: 1.1 IP, 1 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
Fresno: LHP Erick Threets: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 0 HR
Fresno: RHP Carlos Hines: 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR
Sacramento: RHP Brad Knox: 7.1 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HR
Schierholtz had a big game, reaching base in all four plate appearances. His 15th HR of the season was perhaps the furthest HR to right-center field I have seen in Raley Field, easily clearing the bullpen. Leone and Horwitz also reached base multiple times. I would note that the organization seems to think Horwitz is the weaker player defensively. Horwitz entered the night with a .712 OPS for the months of July and August. Tonight was just his 8th XBH since the start of July. The A's Brown reached base three times. The 36-year-old Merloni was the only RiverCat with multiple hits, and he had their only XBH, which was a decisive 2-RBI double in the 8th inning to break a 3-3 tie.
Sanchez made it through six full innings in his second start with Fresno. He threw 62 of 101 pitches for strikes. He got his share of strikeouts, but his control was spotty. His velocity seemed to vary too, often around 88 mph early and then around 91 mph in later innings. Giese uncharacteristically had some trouble finding the strike zone with just 15 of 27 pitches for strikes. Threets threw 9 of 16 pitches for strikes, although he seemed to be working around the first batter he faced with one out and a runner on third base. His 3-2 pitch was a breaking pitch in the dirt. Both Giese and Threets had a hitter reach on an error. Giese's fastball was around 87 mph while Threets was around 94 mph. Hines made his first appearance of the five-game series, which seems a bit odd considering the Grizzlies currently have only six relievers in their bullpen. The 25-year-old Knox had another effective start against the Grizzlies. In his previous start against Fresno (on July 4th), he allowed only an unearned run in a complete game victory.
AA: Connecticut defeated New Britain 6-4
Connecticut: RF Carlos Sosa: 2 for 5, HR, SO
Connecticut: DH John Bowker: 1 for 5, HR
Connecticut: SS Jake Wald: 1 for 2, BB, HBP
Connecticut: RHP Brooks McNiven: 6.0+ IP, 10 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1 HR--1 HB
Connecticut: RHP Kelvin Pichardo: 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Brian Anderson: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
New Britain: RHP Anthony Swarzak: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0 HR--1 HB
Sosa's 8th HR was a three-run, go-ahead shot in the 7th inning, and Bowker's 20th HR was a solo shot to provide an insurance run in the 9th inning. For the second straight game, Wald reached base three times, raising his OBP to .317.
McNiven's ERA rose to 3.29. As a starter (14 starts), his K/IP ratio is below 0.33, and his GO/AO ratio is barely above 1.50. Pichardo retired all six batters he faced, but his ERA remains a bit above 4.00. Anderson collected his 27th save. The Twins' Swarzak with his second straight start without allowing an earned run lowered his ERA below 3.00.
A+: San Jose defeated Rancho Cucamonga 2-0 (10 innings)
San Jose: C Pablo Sandoval: 1 for 2, 2 BB, IBB
San Jose: 1B Travis Ishikawa: 1 for 1, HR
San Jose: RHP Joseph Martinez: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 0 HR
San Jose: RHP Ronnie Ray: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0 HR
San Jose: RHP Sergio Romo: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 0 HR
Sandoval's walk rate continues to be on the rise in August, with 10 of his 15 walks this year coming this month. On the other hand, he has yet to hit a HR this month. Ishikawa entered the game as a defensive replacement to start the 9th inning, and he hit a walk-off, two-run HR for the game's only runs. It was his 12th HR with San Jose and his 15th HR of the year.
Martinez had his first starting without an earned run in some time (at least not in his previous nine starts). August has been Ray's best month of the season, as he has a 3.12 ERA in 26.0 IP. Romo continues to compile the ridiculous stats. He has made ten appearances in August with 34 H, 3 BB and 31 K in 18.0 IP. He has allowed just one unearned run during that time.
A-: Augusta lost to Asheville 7-4
Augusta: RF Robert Felmy: 1 for 3, 2B, BB
Augusta: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 4, 2 2B, GiDP
Augusta: LHP Steven Calicutt: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Augusta: RHP Daniel Griffin: 1.1 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR--1 WP
Augusta: RHP Adam Paul: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
Asheville: RHP Casey Weathers: 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 0 HR
Pill raised his organization-leading doubles total to 45. Felmy's total of 28 doubles is pretty good but pales in comparison to Pill's figure.
Calicutt improved his ERA to 4.03 as he made his 15th start among 32 appearances. Griffin had one of least effective appearances of his career. His ERA ballooned to 4.32. Paul made his first appearance in nearly a month. Weathers, the Rockies' 1st round pick this year, two has two pro saves, both of them against the Giants organization.
ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Everett 15-1
Salem-Keizer: 2B Brock Bond: 3 for 5, SH, SB
Salem-Keizer: DH Garrett Baker: 4 for 4
Salem-Keizer: RF Sean Van Elderen: 3 for 5, 2B
Salem-Keizer: SS Sharlon Schoop: 2 for 3, 2 2B, BB, HBP
Salem-Keizer: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K, 0 HR
Salem-Keizer: RHP Daryl Maday: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR
Four singles raised Baker's AVG to .305, while three singles raised Bond's AVG to .339. Van Elderen also had three hits to raise his AVG back to .293. For his second straight start, Schoop had a pair of doubles. His line with the Volcanoes is now .280/.339/.460 in 161 AB.
Joaquin had probably his best appearance of the year, setting a season high in both IP and K. Maday, Joaquin's tandem partner, pitched just two innings but improved his ERA to 2.32.
R: Giants defeated Royals 2-1
Scottsdale: 3B Angel Villalona: 1 for 4 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: 1B Andy D'alessio: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Scottsdale: 2B Ramon Corona: 2 for 4, 2 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: C Johnny Monell: 1 for 2, 2 BB, SB
Scottsdale: LHP Roberto Martinez: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 0 HR
Villalona had his 12th double in his 50th game of the season. Meanwhile, Corona has 7 doubles in just 17 games. With the hat trick, D'alessio's SO/AB ratio rose above 24.0%. Monell reached base three times and was the only Giant without a strikout (and one of three without multiple strikeouts).
The 21-year-old Martinez has pitched very well over his last three starts, with 6 H, 7 BB, 1 ER and 19 K in 17.0 IP. He has improved his ERA to 3.22.
DSL: Giants lost to Yankees1 4-1
(in game 1 of the playoff series)
Giants: 2B Julio Izturis: 0 for 3, 2 SO, 2 E
Giants: CF Francisco Peguero: 1 for 3
Giants: C Jesus Navarro: 1 for 3
Giants: RHP Jorge Bucardo: 6.0+ IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0 HR--1 E
Peguero and Navarro, both 19-years-old, had the only two hits for the Giants. The nearly 18-year-old Izturis had a rough day. The 17-year-old Bucardo pitched fairly well but suffered the loss. His 9/7 GO/FO line is fairly consistent with his 1.10 GO/AO ratio for the season (and that ratio is much lower than his older brother's ratio).
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Jonathan Sanchez
by wilriv21 on
Aug 26, 2007 10:31 PM PDT
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Re: Jonathan Sanchez
by VidaWantsYourCar on
Aug 27, 2007 9:27 AM PDT
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Re: Jonathan Sanchez
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Aug 27, 2007 11:11 AM PDT
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Romo stats
by super101 on
Aug 27, 2007 12:13 AM PDT
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Re: Romo stats
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Aug 27, 2007 11:08 AM PDT
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3+4=7?
by multiphasic on
Aug 27, 2007 1:26 PM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
Hopefully, that frees up Schierholtz's schedule in September.
In other playoff news, the rookie league team beat the Royals, who had been tied with the Giants for first. Now, the Royals are tied with the Mariners for second, a game behind the Giants. All three teams have three games to play (meaning the magic number for the Giants with each team is three).
On Tuesday, the Giants will meet the Mariners. On Wednesday, the M's and Royals will meet in the season finale.
Since we now know who the Giants got for Sweeney in an August trade, I think it's reasonable to look back at Kelvin Pichardo, part of the 2005 Tucker August trade. Working half a season last year, he had a 4.60 ERA in six games at S-K, but was far batter working starts and relief at Augusta, with a 3.19 ERA in 12 games. Overall, he had 59 strikeouts against 21 walks in 52 1/3 IP. This year, Pichardo put up a 3.09 ERA in 29 games in San Jose and now has a 4.08 ERA in CT. He has 84 strikeouts and 29 walks in 64 1/3 IP this year. His walk total is a bit high, but his strikeout numbers are very good, and he's got a legit mid-90's fastball with good secondary pitches. For Michael frickin' Tucker.
August trades are rare, and seem such low profile, but Sabean has pulled out at least one. And Ben Cox, who was poor as a starter in CT but has bounced back to the tune of a 3.10 ERA in SJ, isn't all bad either. I can't complain about this work.
by BruteSentiment on
Aug 27, 2007 1:05 AM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
I am a bit interested in where others would rate Travis Denker in the organization. How does he rate in comparison to these other hitters, for example: SS Brian Bocock, LF Brian Horwitz, 1B Travis Ishikawa, CF Michael McBryde, 2B Marcus Sanders, C Pablo Sandoval and C Adam Witter?
by steve S on
Aug 27, 2007 11:14 AM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
by Lyle on
Aug 27, 2007 6:02 AM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
I haven't heard any problems recently.
by BruteSentiment on
Aug 27, 2007 9:03 AM PDT
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Case Study
Pill has 45 doubles, 9 HR's and a triple for a XBH% of 40. Horwitz has 20 doubles, 2 triples and just 1 HR for an XBH% of 32.
Yet, Horwitz has the higher SLG% .430 vs .417 and a huge advantage in OPS .800+ to .737.
Which player do you think has been more productuve for his team?
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 27, 2007 7:40 AM PDT
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Re: Case Study
by Roger on
Aug 27, 2007 8:21 AM PDT
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As for Rohlinger, he had a pathetic BA, and 15 fewer doubles than Pill, but made up for it with 9 more HR's. The two are actually very close in run production.
Speaking of run production, that term seeems to always drive some people a bit crazy, so I will modify the term a bit. Instead of Runs Produced, I will call RBI's + Runs= Direct Participation In Runs Produced(DPIRP). How's that?
Interestingly, Pill, Rohlinger and Schierholtz all had comparable XBH% and all had virtually identical DPIRP/PA's(about .28) while all those singles that Horwitz hit produced a DPIRP/PA of just .19, a very large difference. Interestingly, if Nate's SLG% and OPS are much higher than Pill's or Rohlinger's on the strength of a much higher BA, so all those extra singles he got didn't really help his run production significantly.
Summary: XBH's produce runs. Singles produce not very much.
Obviously, SLG% is closer to correct valuation than OPS as a HR = 4X single in SLG% vs 2.5X in OPS. Still, the assignment of value in SLG% is arbitrary and because it's easy, based on the number of bases achieved. That's not the same as valuation based on run production. With all due respect to the confounding factors in run production, I think there is ample evidence that SLG%,and even more so, OPS undervalue XBH's. And, just to be clear, HR's should have much more value than doubles.
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 27, 2007 4:31 PM PDT
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Re: Case Study
Of course, any mathemetician worth his salt will tell you within a couple minutes that numbers have no inherent meaning, all their value is contextual and we quickly get a shorthand value out of SLG by knowing what is good and what is league average. .600 is very good and .400 not so much, in other words. But if I'm reading you right, you are attempting to say that counter-intuitively somebody with a low .400 SLG could actually be having a more productive season than say, someone with a .500 SLG% under certain circumstances. Is that what you're saying that?
As for Pill's HR future, let me say this acknowledging that it's completely anecdotal and has no sample size value. But watching his BP the onetime I saw him, to me his current swing doesn't generate much loft. His best swings seemed to produce low line drives but I didn't really see him get much into the air with any backspin. Just guessing, but I'd say most of his doubles are liners into the corner or up the gap. If he's going to turn those into HRs in the future, I think it's going to have to have more to do with swing mechanics than just with filling out his body.
by Roger on
Aug 28, 2007 4:49 AM PDT
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Re: Case Study
Yes, I do think that a player with a SLG% of .420 and a BA of .230 may be as valuable or more valuable than a player with a SLG% of .500 and a BA of .320. Maybe that's accounted for in IsoP, I really haven't though about IsoP enough to say. If that's true, maybe IsoP is a stat we should be paying a lot more attention too?
Anyway, I just think that Pill's 45 doubles is a remarkable stat and deserves some analysis of what it means both in terms of current production and future development. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but I think it's fascinating to think about.
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 28, 2007 6:58 AM PDT
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Re: Case Study
by Roger on
Aug 28, 2007 4:57 AM PDT
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That's Right
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 28, 2007 6:45 AM PDT
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I don't think having the ability to consistently hit .300+ everywhere should be held against Horwitz (although his inability to hit for extra bases consistently should be).
by BruteSentiment on
Aug 27, 2007 9:07 AM PDT
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Re: Case Study
So yeah, Horwitz is clearly more productive.
by Evan on
Aug 27, 2007 10:09 AM PDT
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Total Bases
The point is, that a higher % of Horwitz TB's were generated through an accumulation of singles. I just don't think 4 singles=1 HR or even that 2 singles= 1 double in terms of run production value because of the outs that will inevitably occur interspersed between the singles.
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 27, 2007 4:10 PM PDT
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Re: Total Bases
When you compare a four-total-bases-on-four-singles guy with a four-total-bases-on-one-home-run guy, you have to give them the same number of opportunities in order for the comparison to make any sense. So the first guy has had four singles without making any outs, and the second guy has hit a home run and made three outs. The first guy is at the mercy of his teammates, so some of his singles won't lead to runs one way or another; but he'll always keep a rally going. Whereas the second guy is a rally-killer three times out of four.
In other words, I think you underestimate the importance of keeping a rally going and giving the next batter a chance.
by Evan on
Aug 27, 2007 9:07 PM PDT
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Re: Total Bases
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 27, 2007 10:54 PM PDT
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Re: Case Study
I don't agree that SLG% undervalues the XBH, i think it tells us what it's supposed to. As others have mentioned, the abilty to hit for average, is still important, rather than the raw numbers of XBH's. I can understand your point, about how extra base hits are even more important than SLG% accounts for, but that's why other statistical methods are used, such as Isolated power, etc
by GiantFan on
Aug 27, 2007 10:24 AM PDT
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Re: Case Study
by steve S on
Aug 27, 2007 11:07 AM PDT
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Slender
45 doubles just seems like a lot. I guess I'm mostly just marveling at how little in the way of SLG% all those doubles generated. y
Yet Pill leads the team in RBI's by a considerable margin, which raised the question in my mind if doubles, like HR's are undervalued in that scoring system.
by DrBGiantsfan on
Aug 27, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
by rxmeister on
Aug 27, 2007 7:46 AM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
nate better get more than a callup....he better get a ton of playing time in sept
with us sending sanchez to the afl, i guess i was premature in my prediction that he would be traded....but its a looooong winter....im sticking to my prediction that he will not be a giant come next spring....cuz sabean is a sociopath
by bacci40 on
Aug 27, 2007 12:29 PM PDT
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Julio is so grounded
Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy
by hairball on
Aug 27, 2007 1:05 PM PDT
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Re: minor lines, 8/26/07
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Aug 27, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
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Trio
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Aug 27, 2007 4:32 PM PDT
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