Open Rampant Speculation Thread

by Grant on Aug 10, 2007 8:48 AM PDT in News Comment 64 comments

The Dodgers' organization:

What's a Sweeney worth? It can't be much, but that's what we thought about the Michael Tucker trade, and we ended up with a legitimate prospect out of that one.

Random guess: Wesley Wright.

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Manny Mota. Giants replace one old pinch hitting specialist with another. I don't know who we'll get, I'm just glad we traded another old guy and brought up a much younger one.

Randy Messenger says,"good thing we're short on pitching, or I might be on my way to Fresno!"

by rxmeister on Aug 10, 2007 8:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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More sharing of names I find amusing:

Bridger Hunt
Joris Bert
Given Kutz

Giuseppe Norrito and Arismendy Castillo are pretty cool sounding names.

Geison Aguasviva and Yulkin German...kind of out there, but still interesting names.

Rubby De la Rosa though, not sure about that one.

The winner for me is Daigoro Rondon, a rookie league pitcher the Dodgers drafted this year. Cool name, and not so bad statwise: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Daigoro-Rondon.shtml

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Bah, my bad. Rondon wasn't drafted this year.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Favorite Giants prospect name ever.

As a prospect, however, he wasn't really considered, (wait for it...) legitimate.

by tobias on Aug 10, 2007 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Talk about a prodigy. According to the Baseball Cube page, he was born in 1985 and played for AAA Toledo in 1981!

Then he took a few years off (presumably for being born and such) and was back in pro ball at age 14.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Age: -5. Fantastic.

by marcello on Aug 10, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Incidentally (or coincidentally) Jose and another Bastardo are being discussed over in today's Minor Lines...

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by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Jason Schmidt... sorry.

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 10, 2007 8:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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That'd be like taking your ex back after he/she got herpes from someone else.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Nothing says love like taking a herpes-infected ex back.

by sularz on Aug 10, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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we all know our ex had them before they left us, we just didn't say anything before they slept around...

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 10, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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the deal is for PTNBL or cash.

usually in a PTBNL deal, the teams agree on a list of player to choose from or a list that is off limits and you can have anybody else (subject to rules and restrictions)

this could be a deal where no list has been created -- simply an agreement on a cash value unless they can agree on a player

by melottfan on Aug 10, 2007 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Whoever is the biggest "tools" guy, but has little actual ability to hit Major League pitching would be my guess. You know, like a R. Davis or Fred Lewis or Calvin Murray or Jason Ellison, on and on.

by smedley on Aug 10, 2007 9:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah, a failed prospect, like a Cory Dunlap.

"I'm a Giant now" and "I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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you're already given up on Davis and Freddie Lewis?? Why even bother giving the kids a look this year??

Randy Messenger says,"good thing we're short on pitching, or I might be on my way to Fresno!"

by rxmeister on Aug 10, 2007 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Davis sure looked nice yesterday. He was taking bags at will.

"If you no help me right now Jobu, I say F-it, I do it myself." - Pedro Feliz

by CEO of the William VanLandingham FanClub on Aug 10, 2007 9:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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bunt single then stole second, double then stole 3rd, single. I like the fast.

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 10, 2007 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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My cynical side says it'll be Ryan Rogowski: 23-year-old left fielder with speed but no pop, currently in high-A. Because it seems we just can't get enough guys like that.

Did you notice that "Wesley" is apparently a nickname? According to the MiLB site his real name is Dequam Wright. Helpful to remember in case you ever need to heckle him.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: colletti

by melottfan on Aug 10, 2007 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

lawl!

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Aug 10, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: colletti

No soup for you!!!

If I owned this place and Hell, I'd rent this out and live in Hell...

by ilselu1 on Aug 10, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No Loney for you!

Next!

by Sandor Clegane on Aug 10, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

absadiddle-ee-doo

"Bri-an Sab-e-an, I hope you're satisfied with what you've done..."

by The Gene Hackman on Aug 10, 2007 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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hahaha that's great.

i'll take anything good enough to upgrade at any position at any level on the farm. maybe someone with loads of patience at the plate and no speed, just because it'd be unique to this organization.

but i like that we're saving some cash & getting 50 PA's to our kids. I was shocked when I learned who we dealt with. This is like sending your ex-wife the lampshade she always complained that you didn't give her back (you had the receipt with your credit card on it) in exchange for the Montrose records she says she "lost."

Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans. Randy Messenger: Better lucky than Benitez.

by jasomack on Aug 10, 2007 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Montrose and herpes -- I'm loving the similes today!

by sularz on Aug 10, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about another catcher named A.J.?

Ellis, A.J. 26 AA 286 AB 47 BB 49 K .259 .368 .346

Not that am I really wanting this guy but since we had such great success with catchers named A.J in the past, I figured why not?

by Giant Dwarf on Aug 10, 2007 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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47/49 k/bb? Ew. Get that A.J. away.

Matt Cain: "F*@# it, I'll score my own runs."

by AngelintheInfield on Aug 10, 2007 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Who knows, with the trades that good 'ol Ned has made, maybe he'll mess up again and give us LaRoche. I'd be REALLY happy with

Hu, Chin-Lung SS 23 AA,AAA .338 .381 .516 .897

We could also probably get any catcher or 1b we wanted, since those positions will be blocked for a while in LA.

Matt Cain: "F*@# it, I'll score my own runs."

by AngelintheInfield on Aug 10, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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If we were able to dupe good ol Neddie out of Hu my head would explode. In the good way.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Baron Von Current Events: Exploding heads in a good way since 2003.

Jesse Foppert: Welcome home, my son. And meet your adopted brother, Kelvin Pichardo. He's from the Dominican Republic.

by leftymalo on Aug 10, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I'll preface this comment by emphasizing that I'd like to see the Giants get the best players they can find, regardless of their race or ethnicity. From a pure marketing perspective, though, it's baffling that they haven't tried to acquire more Asian prospects like this guy, whether through trades or the farm system. Did the Shinjo Experience make them gunshy?

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Aug 10, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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They must have filled their Asian player quota when they signed Dave Roberts.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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No, Roberts filled their Players Who Suck quota. Apparently the quota is around 20.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Aug 10, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Heh, our Asian player quota is 1/2. If we had signed Ichiro we'd have had to get creative with some surgical procedures.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Aug 10, 2007 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Travis Ishikawa fills in for the other half.

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Aug 10, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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He can fill me in any time...

...what?

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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my wife likes him too. For obviously selfish reasons I hope he picks you.

Randy Messenger says,"doubleheader on Monday?? Give me the damn ball. I'll save the first game and pitch a shutout in game two!!"

by rxmeister on Aug 10, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta think about the little missus once in awhile

don't be too selfish

by wilriv21 on Aug 10, 2007 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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You know, perhaps taking a flier on one of their catchers wouldn't be a bad thing. That organization does have a knack for developing solid catchers (if not eventually overpaid and not so solid), no?

by sfgfan on Aug 10, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Clayton Kershaw? It never hurts to ask. Perhaps Ned will be three sheets to the wind at the moment Sabes calls.

Jesse Foppert: Welcome home, my son. And meet your adopted brother, Kelvin Pichardo. He's from the Dominican Republic.

by leftymalo on Aug 10, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Three point plan

-Raid Bengie's wine supply.
-Send Sween Dawg to LA with five bottles of the best stuff from Bengie's supply with a note that says "TO NED"
-Make sure he cannonballs the bottles back to back.

Then call and ask for Hu or Kershaw.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 10, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since the Dodgers stole him in the offseason

and Sabes wanted him so much they will be sending the Giants CF Juan Pierre.

by awesomer on Aug 10, 2007 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nooooooooooo!

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forget the cash

Sabean said he and Colletti agreed on the Giants' choice of one minor league pitcher or hitter for one minor league pitcher or hitter for Sweeney, who accepted a series of hugs - including one from managing partner Peter Magowan - while packing his bags.

by wilriv21 on Aug 10, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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It's Mark Sweeney people. Colletti is a moron to be sure, but we're not getting anybody good.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Aug 10, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Although apparently Wilson Betemit could have been had for anybody a few weeks ago. Good managing, Murray!

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Aug 10, 2007 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I don't know, Sabes would't have done this trade if he wasn't getting something of even relative value back. Sweeny's contract expired at the end of this year, so a salary dump when we owed less than 500k is curious. I know that they wanted to get him somewehere so that the kids can play, but I'm thinking that the desperate Dodgers might have one pulled over on them.

Or, I might be overestimting Sabean. Wouldn't be the first time. Wouldn't be the 10,000th time.

Matt Cain: "F*@# it, I'll score my own runs."

by AngelintheInfield on Aug 10, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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ESTIMATING

Matt Cain: "F*@# it, I'll score my own runs."

by AngelintheInfield on Aug 10, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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With no offense to Sweeney, his value to the Giants the rest of this season is zero. Anything they could get for him is gravy. If it's more than a bag of balls, I'll be happy.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Agreed. I could have Sabean DFAing him just to open a roster spot for one of the kids.

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 10, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If you have that kind of power, go ahead and have him DFA a few others!

by Mark carry on on Aug 10, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Ha! and Oops!

I meant to say "I could have seen Sabean..."

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Aug 10, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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the article said that they almost made this trade a week ago, which obviously means that Sweeney was not claimed on waivers by the Dodgers, and that he was traded when he passed through all teams. I would like to think that this means the Dodgers were one of several teams interested and they gave the best offer. I like Sabean's comments that "Sweeney was playing sparingly and they need to look at other players." Welcome back to the majors, Dan Ortmeier. You are replacing Mark Sweeney at the "playing sparingly" position!!

Randy Messenger says,"doubleheader on Monday?? Give me the damn ball. I'll save the first game and pitch a shutout in game two!!"

by rxmeister on Aug 10, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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It just occurred to me - now we know why Sabean was stockpiling all those first basemen in the offseason. With Sweeney gone and Aurilia on the DL, we're down to only Klesko.

Unless 1B is one of the places where Ortmeier will be playing sparingly, that is...

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by EliminateMe on Aug 10, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Apparently he has been playing 1B and will play 1B against LHP, which he has hit well against.

"I'm a Giant now" and "I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Blake Dewitt, Joshua Bell or Eduardo Perez. Any of those three I would be ecstatic with since 3B and 1B are the weakest spots in the Giants system. I would bet it's going to end up being cash though.

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Aug 10, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I doubt we'll get DeWitt, he's a pretty good prospect who is pretty close, that would be a great deal then. He could play 2B or 3B.

Bell maybe, he's still in rookie ball at age 20, and barely hitting there (but why is he playing with the GCL Red Loons, did he get traded or was he loaned out?).

Kyle Orr might be another low prospect with high potential we could get. I mentioned Cory Dunlap I think before. Both are 1B prospects.

"I'm a Giant now" and "I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Aug 10, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I thought Bell was in Class A Midwest League?

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Aug 10, 2007 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I would like to point out that this thread has been picked up by the Giants newsfeed on the left side of the blog. So not only is this site now linking to itself (woah! postmodern!) but topix.net appear to believe that "Open Rampant Speculation" is news!

Hooray for the internets!

by Salemicus on Aug 10, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Brian just said on KNBR that it is one left handed pitcher or an infielder they will look closer at and choose between he also said the PTBNL for morris will be pitcher

by melottfan on Aug 10, 2007 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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INFIELDER PLEASE

Can't w8 for '08!

by southcitysteve on Aug 10, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kershaw or LaRoche

Sabean will have a tough decision to make. On a serious note, I do like that Sabean set it up so that after making a other transactions he can refill his team where he sees fit in either a pitcher or infielder.

by wilriv21 on Aug 10, 2007 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs