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The Template?

by Grant on Jul 30, 2007 9:53 PM PDT in News Comment 45 comments

The A's are considering trading Joe Blanton. Because Blanton is three-plus seasons from free agency, the A's are reportedly asking for three top-flight prospects, with the Dodgers being the team linked to the deal.

Blanton will be a free agent: after 2010
Lowry will be a free agent: after 2010 (if $6.25M option is picked up)

Blanton's career ERA - 4.05 (ERA+ of 109)
Lowry's career ERA - 3.92 (ERA+ of 110)

Blanton's 2007 ERA - 3.69 (ERA+ of 118)
Lowry's 2007 ERA - 3.40 (ERA+ of 127)

Blanton's career K/9 - 5.21
Lowry's career K/9 - 6.22

Blanton's 2007 K/9 - 5.49
Lowry's 2007 K/9 - 5.24

Blanton's age - 26
Lowry's age - 26

Blanton's career WHIP - 1.31
Lowry's career WHIP - 1.35

Blanton's 2007 WHIP - 1.17
Lowry's 2007 WHIP - ...uh, that's not really relevant. Ahem. (1.43)

The last category is where Blanton has it all over Lowry this season, as Blanton has been a strike-throwing monster and Lowry's been allowing way too many walks. Other than that, it would be impossible to find a closer comparison for Noah Lowry's trade value. It's amazing that such a close comparable to Lowry rumored to go in the exact kind of trade many folks think the Giants should make. If Blanton is traded, it will be fascinating to see what the A's get in return.

Difficulty: There's only one Ned Colletti. Just because the A's will get Matt Kemp, Clayton Kershaw, Andre Ethier, a crime-solving robot, and $500,000 in Trader Joe's gift cards doesn't mean the Giants would get a package half as nice.

Random note: Lowry currently has the 10th-best ERA in the NL. I had no idea....

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Hey, I just posted this in the Douche diary

http://mccoveychronicles.com/comments/2007/7/30/133920/613/66#66

Looks like I beat you by 5 minutes, but its not even 9:53 yet. How did you do that?!?!?!?!

by awesomer on Jul 30, 2007 9:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

I've never had much success mentally projecting my commands into the minds of GMs, but here goes...

Brian Sabean, please trade Noah Lowry for a crime-solving robot. Many of our nation's most high-profile crimes remain unsolved, awaiting the relentless application of emotionless logic. Noah Lowry would appeal greatly to owners of crime-solving robots, as they're suckers for gaudy ERAs and associate WHIPs with Thursday nights at the Trocadero Transfer.

by Your mother on Jul 30, 2007 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

I'd love to see this trade, too - I have the crime-solving robot on my fantasy team.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 2.29 ERA

by EliminateMe on Jul 31, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

If we move Lowry we will most likely be keeping Morris. Even knowing we get less player talent back, I would still rather move Morris and his salary and keep Lowry thank you.

Personally, I think a Morris for Escobar trade could be in the works as the not yet revealed third leg of Atlanta's go for it in 2007 moves. The other two known legs being of course the Texiera and Dotel trades. I would not be suprised to see us add Vizquel and Sweeney with the Braves to add Thorton.

by giantsrainman on Jul 30, 2007 10:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

I don't want to move Lowry, but if another team wants to go goofy and give three top prospects....

A Thorman/Niekro platoon would be hilarious. In that weird, painful way.

by Grant on Jul 30, 2007 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

The article I read said that the Dodgers thought this asking price was too steep, so maybe it's not really a good yardstick.

by achiappanza on Jul 31, 2007 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

You're just not easy to surprise, are you Rainman?

by Roger on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

If Morris is unloaded - especially for prospects - it is highly unlikely the other team will eat all of his remaining contract. The Giants would definitely be asked to send a sizable chunk of change.

by sfgfan on Jul 31, 2007 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Beane can do this because he has prospects right behind Blanton ready to take his place.

The Giants cannot do this because they don't have anybody to take Lowry's place.

The Giants have only two consistent starters. Lowry and Lincecum. Morris and Zito are utter and complete disasters and if they were minimum salary guys, they would have been long gone....long ago. And the other, Cain is quite capable of setting the San Francisco record for most losses (18) in a single season.

I just don't see it.

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 30, 2007 10:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

That, and Sabes would still get fleeced in the deal. Colletti's probably armed these guys with self-destruct buttons the second they put on another uniform, while the Evil's pitching coaches actually find a way to get Noah to throw strikes.

And, hey, Cain rules, pal. Losses schmosses. Not that you were implying he sucks, but that needs to be stated whenever discussing his atrocious record.

Can we trade for Rick Peterson? I think our staff and especially Zito would appreciate that.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. Can't wait for Zito to start Opening Day '08 so I can get a leg up on my drinking.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 30, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Um....Pat Misch, anyone? Or how about Jonathan Sanchez?

Pat Misch obviously doesn't have the Lowry major league track record, but he is not only a good replacement, but he's a very similar pitcher. In fact, Misch's career minor league numbers are very similar to Lowry's, if not better in some areas.

Also...who exactly do the A's have to replace him? Their top-rated pitching prospect, Jason Windsor, had a 5.40 ERA in Sacramento before falling to injury. They have guys too old to be Blanton-level prospects, like 26-year old Dan Meyer or soon-to-be 28-year old Colby Lewis. There's also Dallas Braden, who is having a good year, but wasn't even listed by BA in the Oakland Top 30 prospects.

And then you criticize Cain for losses, considering the types of games he's lost? Have you even been watching this team?

SFDugout.com - Returning Offseason 2007

by BruteSentiment on Jul 30, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

I think E is commenting more on the Giants track record in games started by Cain rather than his ability. But you never know with E.

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray Durham is... yeah.

by Natto on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Exactly Natto. I think thats pretty evident. And anybody who follows the gameday threads can correctly surmise that I've seen as many of Cain's innings as Bruce Bochy for krissakes. Cain is indeed pitching very crappy right now as we've all seen, the last 3 innings against the Marlins not withstanding.

Maybe this is the guy Bonds was referring to when he said:

"You mean that little midget man who absolutely knows jack ... about baseball, who never played the game before?"

Could it be? I wonder. Only the nose knows for sure. :)

Barry Zito -- Catch Me if You Can.

by E Ticket on Jul 31, 2007 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

I wouldn't worry about rumored deals until a trade actually goes down. A lot of teams will ask for a king's ransom for a player like that, but won't get it.

But the Blanton/Lowry comparison is a good one.

SFDugout.com - Returning Offseason 2007

by BruteSentiment on Jul 30, 2007 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Lowry continues to be the most logical to trade

If you want to receive some talent you are going to have to give some talent. He could be replaced with Misch or Sanchez. If Sabean wanted to be really bold he should also dangle Cain and see what offers he would receive.

by wilriv21 on Jul 30, 2007 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

With all due respect

You shutta your mouth.

Are we dangle you.

by Moggeee on Jul 30, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Redeux

You shutta yo mouth, or we dangle-a you.

by Moggeee on Jul 30, 2007 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you turn down a deal?

If there was a deal that could make SF better for a long time why would you dismiss it out of hand?

by wilriv21 on Jul 30, 2007 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Would you turn down a deal?

Of course you are right, Wil.

I'm just trying to capture the mood of the lynch mob that would target Sabean if he traded the Reservoir of Pure Hope that is Matt Cain.

If Matty ever left, there would be a howlin'.

by Moggeee on Jul 30, 2007 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

One Matt DID leave and the team DID get better

by wilriv21 on Jul 30, 2007 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Redeux

I'm going to agree with Chico Marx over here.

C'mon. Sanchez or Misch replacing Cain? Lowry, sure, but not the HurriCain. He's a force of nature... that loses a lot. But a force none the less.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. Can't wait for Zito to start Opening Day '08 so I can get a leg up on my drinking.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 30, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you see somebody who said

Misch or Sanchez would replace Cain you fellate him and send him home.

by wilriv21 on Jul 30, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: If you see somebody who said

uuuuh?

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 30, 2007 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: If you see somebody who said

... the hell?

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. Can't wait for Zito to start Opening Day '08 so I can get a leg up on my drinking.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 30, 2007 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: If you see somebody who said

Sssssssssssssunny Sssssssssssan Francissssssssssssssssssssco!

I need old crusty vets like I need a nail driven into my brain.

by BawLa on Jul 31, 2007 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps he meant

Flagellate?

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not facist: THE RETURN OF SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 31, 2007 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: If you see somebody who said

I thought this was a family-friendly website.

by War on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: If you see somebody who said

With Baron's flagellation, it's turning into a fanny-friendly website.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Because, as stated before, you cant give up a player of Matt Cain's caliber, especially when they are so young. Starting pitching isn't easy to come by...look at the Phillies... they traded for gulp Kyle Lohse tp "solve a need".

I'll stick with Cain and let other teams keep those kinds of pipe dreams.

And, also, Matt Cain = Jesus. Before Lincecum came around, thats all anyone could talk about. Cain still rocks. Almost no trade for Cain would make the G-Men better in the long run.

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 30, 2007 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Sorry, posted out of sequence again. The Cain thing frazzled me.

Lets just bring up the AZL Giants. All of them.

by AngelintheInfield on Jul 30, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cain: Bewitched, Bothered, and...

Befrazzled.

by Moggeee on Jul 30, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

"There's only one Ned Colletti."

Yeah, that's the problem. The good news is, Colletti sent a solid chunk of the Dodgers' minor league depth away last season and is poised to do it again over the next month. But I don't expect us to be the direct recipient of his generosity.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 30, 2007 11:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

He's dealt the guys who have fallen from favor, like Joel Guzman and Edwin Jackson. He's pretty aware of the heat he'll take if he deals guys like Kemp, Loney, Kershaw, or Billingsley.

by achiappanza on Jul 31, 2007 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Isn't there someone on our roster that Ned can get excited about? I don't imagine he's trade us Kemp, LaRoche, etc, but the guy I really want is Chin-lung Hu.

by Evan on Jul 31, 2007 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

this is supposed to be a good trade for the a's??

beane effed up by trading ethier in the first place, and he may have prospects behind blanton, but its a mistake to lose him

by bacci40 on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Depends on the prospects

I'm pretty sure the A's don't want Ethier back, they already have a similar OF in Travis Buck.

If Blanton could get LaRoche, Hu, and Meloan, or in my scenario, those 3 + Betemit for Blanton + a reliever not named Street or Casilla, then I'd be pretty happy with the trade. A's get a pretty much ML ready left side of the infield for cheap the next 6 years, and Betemit at 2nd for the next 3. Meloan is ready to step in and hurl fire, which could open the door to trade Street for a AAA ready arm.

It all depends on who's coming, but I have full trust that Beane knows what he is doing.

by awesomer on Jul 31, 2007 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Just two quick points:

Lowry is a lefty and generally lefties are worth more.
Lowry is signed threw up to 2010 as opposed to arbitration eligable and generally cost certainty is worth more then cost unknown.

Botom line, whatever Blanton is worth, Lowry shoud be worth more.

I still don't want to trade Noah, but it is possible for another team to make an offer too good to pass up.

by giantsrainman on Jul 31, 2007 1:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Lowry is not worth more than Blanton. There aren't any GMs left who don't know the value of K/BB and BB rate and that's where Blanton kills him.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 31, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: How about lowry and morris in a Package deal

I'm a lowry fan, so I don't under value him.

Knowing that the As are holding out for three of top prospects, I have an idea.

I think the Dodgers or Mariners could be persuaded into thinking that Lowry is worth nearly that and two months ago Morris was worth a top prospect (but not now).

So to make this trade work you have to give us 3 top guys for both (and no salary back).

by melottfan on Jul 31, 2007 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

knowing Sabes we'll end up with Shawn Kemp, Nik Kershaw, a pint of ether, and a crime-committing Gobot.

Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 8:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn't it be good?

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jul 31, 2007 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Wouldn't it be good?

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Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Jul 31, 2007 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Template?

Am I the only Giant fan that considers Lowry an untradeable commodity?

If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm wit ya

Now that the deadline's passed, and Lowry just beat Penny, and he's 12-7 (Projected: 19-11), hordes will hop aboard your happy trolley.

by Moggeee on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dangle him from the rafters

Here is to hoping for a 20 win season. Drive that value up Lowry. At the very least then Sabean could field offers on his LHP. If he receives an overwhelming offer to improve the club then maybe he will accept.

by wilriv21 on Aug 1, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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