Barry a starter!

by Chulk on Jul 1, 2007 3:34 PM PDT Comment 73 comments

Fans got it right for the NL starters.

Starters

C R. Martin
1B Fielder
2B Utley
3B Wright (should be Cabrera)
OF Beltran
OF Griffey
OF Bonds

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Re: Barry a starter!

They forgot a shortstop though, apparently. ;)

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

the NL is so confident of its ability to win, it has decided not to include a SS. But if they did, they would have chosen Jose Reyes to start. My bad on the omission

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by Chulk on Jul 1, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

WE DID IT!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 1, 2007 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Good Job everyone!

If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Jul 2, 2007 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

mlb site locked up for anyone else?

Can't get the NL information, beyond the headline.

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by hairball on Jul 1, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Time to honk our car horns and scream USA! USA! USA!

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 1, 2007 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Bengie got snubbed. Crap.

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by Chulk on Jul 1, 2007 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

McCann? He's having a terrible year.

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jul 1, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

What I mean by "terrible" is, of course, "average"

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on Jul 1, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My 25 votes counted!

The Fringe was right.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 1, 2007 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: My 25 votes counted!

guess my 30 did something as well. yeee

Sabean stop giving away our first round draft picks!!

by z4 landshark on Jul 1, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: My 25 votes counted!

So, my 150,000 votes counted...

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by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Friggin' ESPN

<i>Despite a lackluster season and a cloud of suspicion hanging over him, Barry Bonds will be right at home in the 78th All-Star Game. Fans voted the embattled slugger to his 14th Midsummer Classic</i>

Lackluster?????? What???

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 1, 2007 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

The guy has a OBP over .500. People are very, very stupid.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

ESPN is very, very stupid.

(Sorry for the formatting, btw.)

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 1, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Even Giants fans are guilty of saying that Bonds is struggling.

It is hard to live up to 2001-2004

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

When the Giants fans said that they too were being stupid. He's been simply astoundingly good - without Bonds this team would be much worse than it even is.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I agree, but I just wanted to point that out.

Also, people seem to forget - BONDS IS GOING TO BE 43 FRICKING YEARS OLD THIS MONTH. As good as he is, he is off-the-charts good for being as old as he is. An absolute wonder.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Barry Bonds leads the league in walks, with roughly twice as many as ARod.

But here's the really crazy part: Bonds has 28 intentional BBs, ARod has 2. Two. Dos. Si.

So, ARod has had around 60-70 additional chances at homers. With someone like Barry, that would probably yield at least 5 or 6 more homers.

And he's 43.

I'd say he's having one hell of a kickass mega-season.

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by hairball on Jul 1, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

So stupid.

I simply cannot fathom how ESPN.com's editors let that copy stand. Lackluster? Really?

Of course, this is the company which employs John Kruk as an analyst.

I quit.

PB @ BON

by Peter Bean on Jul 1, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

ESPN is stupid as hell.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Kruk as an analyst, Morgan as a color commentary man, and Stephen Smith (the A. is just plain uppity) as the "angry, screaming, but down with the brothers, pundit."

Perhaps that's why I never watch ESPN?!?

Omar Vizquel hates Joey Barton too. He's a wanker, mate!

by PacBellBoozer on Jul 1, 2007 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Phil Rogers gets it.

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by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1.119 OPS

Over .100 points higher than the next guy (A-Rod)

by mxmob33 on Jul 1, 2007 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

ESPN is so annoying. First they shelter him, then they throw stones at him. They are worse flip-floppes than John Kerry was alleged to be.

If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Jul 2, 2007 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Six closers? What a joke. Pick two and move on.

Brian Fuentes instead of Chris Young is looking really, really bad right now. Young is 8-3 with a 2.14 ERA. The debate shouldn't be "is he on the team?", it should be "should he be the starter?"

The correct answer would be, "no, the starter should be Tim Lincecum," but that's beside the point.

by Grant on Jul 1, 2007 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Yeah - as neat as it was to have Bonds voted on I stand by my general opinion that the All-Star game is a joke if the goal is actually putting the players who are having the best seasons in.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I've always thought "All Star" should mean seeing the stars of the game. I hate people getitng so wrapped up in first-half stats.

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 2, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

No doubt. The closer fetish has gotten absolutely ridiculous.

No John Maine, Ian Snell, Tom Gorzelanny, Chris Young, Brandon Webb, Tim Hudson...

All of those guys would be more deserving than a closer. Hell, Matt Morris or Matt Cain would be more deserving than the closers.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, Matt Cain in the ASG? He's 2-9

only 2 wins? HAHAHA that guy totally sucks.

by awesomer on Jul 1, 2007 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm,

Matt Cain totally does not suck. He does not deserve that record, just look at his stats. That record reflects the Giant's anti-offense (and you know we are an anti-offensive machine).

by The Enchanter on Jul 1, 2007 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Ummm,

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh.

Just protecting the young guy. That meter would have been handy earlier.

by The Enchanter on Jul 2, 2007 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I'm disappointed not to see Morris in with the pitchers, even if he had a few bleh starts recently.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 1, 2007 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

How can they pick Brian Fuentes for the all star team?? Did they have to pick pitchers two weeks ago?? He's lost his closing job with the Rockies, and killed all their chances of re-joining the NL west race. Bengie not being on the team is a joke, especially with the game being played in San Francisco. Maybe he'll be one of the extra players we can vote on.

Randy Messenger: "Let's see Chris Young hit a game winning homerun on a 95mph heater headed for his noggin"

by rxmeister on Jul 1, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

actually, most of the voting probably was done two weeks ago

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jul 1, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

If Matt Holliday wasn't selected, then I could understand having Fuentes as the only Rockie. But that wasn't going to happen, and picking Fuentes is just ridiculous.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even if he is he won't be

If they don't somehow get Chris Young on the team I'm not watching the game. Its moronic.

by awesomer on Jul 1, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Martin was the starter and not even close, but Lo Duca (8.9 VORP), Molina (8.5 VORP), McCann (8.5 VORP), and Estrada (8.4 VORP) all have pretty similar cases offensively for the second spot.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

McCann doesn't deserve to make it as much as his teammates Renteria and Chipper Jones. That alone should have made them select someone else.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chipper injured, Renteria 4th best SS in NLEast

You also have to realize they take into account last season post all star game as well (Freddy Sanchez this year LOfreakingL), Chipper has only 250 PA, and Renteria doesn't belong in over Reyes OR Ramirez OR Rollins.

McCann had a .333/.388/.572 line last year. Off the charts for a C. If you're going to carry 3 catchers he certainly deserves to go. Braves also have Smoltz (equally deserving) so the teammate thing isn't really relevant.

by awesomer on Jul 1, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Chipper injured, Renteria 4th best SS

I realize that Smoltz was in, but it occurred to me that if you are going to pick from a bunch of catchers all around equal value this year, then you might as well go with the guy that wouldn't be less deserving than one or two of his teammates.

McCann has battled a lot of lingering injuries this year that weren't bad enough to put him on the DL, but have kept him from being awesome, as he was last year. He is on my fantasy team, and I keep waiting for him to turn back into healthy Brian McCann.

Renteria, on the other hand, deserves to be there a lot more than Hardy, Ramirez, or Rollins.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

McCann doesn't deserve to make it as much as his teammates Renteria and Chipper Jones. That alone should have made them select someone else.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

There is something wrong with my mouse. Sorry about the double posts.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 1, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

VICTORY, BONDS IS STARTING. The Chronicle hacks, ESPN chumps and the national media can go straight to hell. The populace has spoken ... vive la Bonds!!!

I adopted Barry Bonds

by BondsApologist on Jul 1, 2007 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Did anybody else hear on KNBR that Bonds was FIFTH in player voting???

What, The Fuck! For all the supposed genuine support that the players have spewed from their crapholes (that's "mouths") to the media for years now in light of the criticism, they don't even have the balls or the decency to vote him within even one of the top three.

If it wasn't for the fans, and most likely what would have eventually been a coaches selection, we wouldn't be able to count even on the players of the league to pick the right player in his home park who is even having an All Star year onto the god damn team.

I'm so disappointed in what I had just assumed, bcause I like to assume in the goodness of people, was the sincerity of the players' media support of Barry Bonds. But I guess it was all just so that nobody looked like an asshole. Even though they all are.

Thank God for the fans. I can't believe that the All Star roster got the right player from the fan vote, and not the league votes. That's the opposite of what I've grown to believe over the years.

We fucking rule. count this as a serious win for baseball fans. Kudos, everybody. The player's vote has lost all credibility to me, but the fan's vote suddenly has all the credibility I can imagine.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

you do understand that there are lots of OFs right? Placing 5th is pretty good for a guy who's not got the RBIs...one of the most overrated stats.

A player could legitimately vote for the following over BB:

Adam Dunn: 23 HR, 54 RBI
Junior: 21 HR, 50 RBI
Holliday: 13 HR, 62 RBI
Carlos Lee: 15/67
Brad Hawpe: 13/55
Jason Bay: 50 RBI
Francoeur: 50 RBI
Beltran: 14/49
Willingham 48 RBI
A. Jones 46 RBI
Soriano: 15 HR
Eric Byrnes: 13/46
Xavier Nady: 13/46
Chris Duncan: 14 HR
Aaron Rowand: .313 Bavg
Luis Gonzalez: .294 Bavg

vs.

Barry Bonds: 16/38

The players don't have an intuitive understanding of the underlying analysis of baseball. I remember reading an article years ago that claimed baseball players were the least educated of all pro athletes.

I think Bonds deserves to be on the team. Blasting the players for voting according to a) personal bias, b) friendship, c) the same stats typically overvalued by EVERYONE, is pointless.

Awards for Gold Gloves, as an example, are screwed up almost every year, giving the award to players who hit better/have better reps/or have a longer history than a more deserving fielder.

Meh. I've spent more time on this than it deserves.

Glad Barry made the team.

by vizqueltofrandsentoniekro on Jul 1, 2007 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

It just seems really strange to me. All Star game in San Francisco... Bonds batting .300 and almost tops for outfielders in homeruns...

But who comes to mind if you're filling out a ballot for the All Star Game in San Francisco? The players knew what they were doing. They knew he was having a year that is good enough for an All Star and they knew the game was in his god damned park and they knew it's probably the last time he'll ever hve a chance to be in the game.

Even if he plays next year and he plays better than he's playing this year, do you think he has a chance at making tha ASG in '08? I don't.

I just don't believe that the players don't know what they're voting about and what it means. Even on a basic level voting Bonds into the ASG this year makes sense statistically and as a matter of respect.

So if they're going to pretend that his stats aren't worth the vote, he clearly doesn't have the respect that they've been faking for the last five years.

And oh yeah, for the one guy who's taking the fall for the whole damn league, it kind of makes me mad that they're not willing to stick up for him when suddenly it's anonymous.

I'm not saying they're not dumb, and I'm not saying they're not selfish. but I am saying that they know what they're voting for and they knowingly put Bonds five spots down.

It's also nice for the fans, who ultimately made the right call when it appears nobody else was going to (not entirely true, as I believe that no matter what Bonds would have gotten the coaches selection, but still).

Anyway, that's all.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

To finish 5th is pretty good, but I'm guessing there's a couple things that kept of placing higher:

The Jeff Kents of the world; guys who just don't like him and don't want to see any favorable light shined his way. (Think of Kent purposely letting the soft flyball drop in front of him to make Bonds look bad for not running.) There are probably a number of guys who've had bad experiances with him and wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances.
The Curt Schillings of the world; guys who think he's cheated his way to much of his success and resent him.
The Giants sucking hind tit ; just as it's damn near impossible to win an MVP if your team stinks, getting recognized as a starting all-star is probably tougher, as well.

Bold Prediction: Klesko will finish the 2007 season with at least 20 HRs. (OPS+ is 129 as of 7/1/07)

by Goofus on Jul 2, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

5th by the players would have still put Bonds in the game even if he had finished 4th in the fans voting. The players too would have voted for the 3 fan voted starters and it would be the next three in the players voting. Barry at 5th (inluding the 3 elected by the fans) would have still been in this next three.

by giantsrainman on Jul 1, 2007 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

But it doesn't seem weird to you that he's no higher than fifth?

Oh hell, why am I even trying? It's pretty clear I'm the only one who smells fish here.

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by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I think it's an overreaction. If he was fifth for left fielders, then there'd be something wrong. But for outfielders, it's not bad at all.

by cheno on Jul 1, 2007 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

No, I agree it probably is an overreaction - particularly for the event itself.

But mass disingenuity just tends to really irk the heck out of me. And when all I've heard from player interviews for the last five years has been "Barry's the best in the game and I have nothing but respect for him blah blah blah he deserves better" and then the group speaking those words collectively does the least they possibly can for the guy in his last chance at the honor... it just kind of uncomfortably leaks disingenuity.

And when I think of all the guys who are still wildly popular unquestioned All Stars because Barry's taking the heat for them who aren't putting him top three on their ballot when the game is at his house... it takes that uncomfortable feeling and turns it into something I feel strongly enough to blog about (which isn't necessarily as strong as I come across, but still something more than uncomfortable).

It's hypocricy, and on a relatively large scale. He is still top five, so it's not like it's an unbelievable or a necessarily unexpected hypocricy.

But I would have thought the players would give him more credit than five. Maybe I'm just disappointed. And I got up early, so I was grumpy to begin with... But even just a little weird? Doesn't seem just a scoche strange?

But, whatever, I'll leave it at that. There's no reason for me to say anything else at all about this. It's a pretty minor issue and I've raised more of a tantrum than it's worth to begin with.

He's starting the damn game, and that's all that really matters when we're talking about the All Star Game anyway.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

If Brad Penny gets chosen as a starter, I'm going to track down Tony LaRussa and punch him in the throat. (It'll make an all Dodger battery)

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray - grounded for LIFE

by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

As the starting pitcher, I mean.

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by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

This is one of the fan comments (from "packfan1573") to the ESPN article:

I find this to be ridiculous. Alfonso Soriano does a lot more on the field, both offensively and defensively than that of this incredulous counterpart.

Are you serious??

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray - grounded for LIFE

by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

incredulous counterpart?

That alone garners a wtf. So, wtf?

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by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2007 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

To be fair, Bonds' defense is somewhat of a liability.

by cheno on Jul 1, 2007 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Barry doesn't have the range that Soriano does, but he still makes good routes. He's certainly not the defensive liability the average fan makes him out to be.

Barry Bombs gear | comics | Ray - grounded for LIFE

by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

However, I do think that Soriano deserves to start over Beltran.

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by Natto on Jul 1, 2007 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Barry Parallel for Tonight

My grandma doesn't have the range she used to have, but if there's a sale in produce, she'll run you over while taking a direct route in her motorized golfcart.

by Moggeee on Jul 2, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: My Barry Parallel for Tonight

Yeah, but the produce isn't coming off a bat and tailing away from her while she's on the run.

I'd still probably take her over Klesko in RF though.

Adopted Giant: Randy Winn. He's garbage.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jul 2, 2007 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Give granny some credit

You obviously don't know how hard it is, while in a golf cart, to track down a runaway head of cauliflower.

by Moggeee on Jul 2, 2007 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

"incredulous counterpart"

That superfluousness made me feel woeful and flabbergasted, Woody Paige.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jul 1, 2007 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Those ESPN comment threads are festering piles of diarrhea. We are made lesser people simply by reading them.

Bruce Bochy gets his big head from me.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jul 1, 2007 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Fuentes doesn't make sense, like many have already said. I never really held out much hope for Bengie, because even though he's having a very nice season, all the big names that were ahead of him were going to draw the voters and the hype.

I am disappointed though that at least one Giants starter didn't get selected for the great work the rotation has been doing. I didn't hold out much hope for Cain, because as dumb as relying on Wins and Losses to tell how good a pitcher is, people still do use them. Still, I did hope that Lowry or Morris would make it.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jul 1, 2007 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I think the National LEague should actually try to win the game this time, and having more closers increases those odds.

by cheno on Jul 1, 2007 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

Starters are generally better than closers, who mostly come from the ranks of failed starters. Sometimes the closers are better, but don't have the stuff or pitch variety to make it through 6-7 innings. But starters can't come out throwing their two best pitches absolutely as hard as they can and expect to make it through the lineup 3-4 times in 30+ starts per year. There are many starters who would seem a whole lot better if they knew they only had to pitch one inning.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 3, 2007 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I'd rather have guys who are used to going three and out like Wagner, Valverde, etc. than risk it with a guy who makes his living from the second or third inning onwards. Now, obviously a guy like Chris Young should be in over Brian Fuentes, but you never know who the Kerry Woods of the world are.

By the way, out of all the stupid things the Cubs have done over the years, where does moving a guy with a track record of horrible first innings into a relief role rank?

by cheno on Jul 3, 2007 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

until they bring Brian Fuentes into the game!! I think Tito is more deserving this year.

Randy Messenger: "Let's see Chris Young hit a game winning homerun on a 95mph heater headed for his noggin"

by rxmeister on Jul 2, 2007 7:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Re: Barry a starter!

I'm not sure if I like a Dodger in the starting line-up. What is this? 1955?

If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Jul 2, 2007 7:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Congratulations Bonds, make the Giants proud

Bonds fine play has earned him a starter in the ASG. I see this as providing cover for contending teams owners to see that not everyone despises Bonds. Hear many of the players happy Bonds was selected. I see this as providing cover for contending team GMs to swing a deal for Bonds prior to the trade deadline. Get your six Bonds before July 31st.

With Bonds and Verlander hosting an ASG party on Monday the 9th and with Leyland managing the Tigers maybe Bonds can land in Detroit for the final months of the 2007 season. Hear Tigers have plenty of young talent. Arte Moreno in Los Angeles of Anaheim east of the beaches and south of LA is still looking for a big bat. Angels have some nice young talent.

Hold the flame throwers back, but if SF can be in last place with Bonds I think it is safe to say they can be in last place without him for a couple of months this season. Wouldn't you be willing to trade 2-3 months of Bonds if you could get 6yrs of some good young talent in return?

by wilriv21 on Jul 3, 2007 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs