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A game to distract us from staring at the abyss

...actually this may be an exercise to help us all embrace the abyss but anyway I thought it would be fun for everyone interested to list who (if sabean ever stops sitting on his hands) will be traded, to where and for who.

I'll get it going:

  1. Pedro Feliz & Jack Taschner - Phillies - 3B Prospect Mike Costanzo
  2. Matt Morris - Indians - 3B Andy Marte & C Kelly Shoppach
  3. Ray Durham (DH) - Twins - RP Pat Neshek
  4. Ryan Klesko (DH) - Yankees - 1B prospect Eric Duncan
  5. Randy Winn - Angels - 1B Kendry Morales
Explanations:
  1. P. Feliz would be a nice improvement over Helms's bat and Dobb's glove at 3B. The Phillies have snuck back into the race and Feliz's numbers would get a nice bump playing 1/2 his games at Citezen's Bank Park. Taschner would give them a nice arm in a spotty bullpen and a 2nd lefty out of the bullpen
  2. The Indians are hard-up for starting pitching with the injury to Jake Westbrook and Cliff Lee really struggling. There a great team now and with the addition of Morris's savy they could be playoff favorites.
  3. The Twins have screwed us in the past but now it may be our turn to get a bit of redemption. The twins NEED another bat and have Cirillo and Tyner taking turns at DH. Durham would be a major improvement, so much so that they might just be desperate enough to part with Neshek, one of their most reliable relievers.
  4. Klesko won't fetch that much out on the market but the yankees have had a major resurgence and with the brutal injury to Doug Meinkewietz and Giambi in all likely hood facing a suspension or something along those lines, Klesko would be a good fit at 1B/DH. Duncan isn't too much to ask, he was once a highly touted prospect but has fallen down the list in the last year or so.
  5. It was difficult finding a suitor for Randy Winn but he's having a nice year and could be a good fit in Anaheim, It would allow the Angels to DH Guerrero pretty much full time and keep him healthy. Winn would hopefully wave his no trade clause to join a contender thats still on the west coast. Morales is struggling this year but I think he's still considered a good player.

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A game to distract us from staring at the abyss
And I really thought you were going to link us to some kitchy version of Bejeweled...
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by howtheyscored on Jun 15, 2007 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
haha, sorry to mislead you, but as an apology, here's a game thats always garaunteed to relieve stress...and nothing relieves stress more than...KILLING ZOMBIES!!!!

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/Boxhead.html

by Keenlow on Jun 15, 2007 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
Wow, I was 75400 behind the top score. I call it beginner's luck!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 15, 2007 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
I don't think I'd trade Taschner, at least not now, and only if it was necessary for something great.

Is Pedro really an upgrade for the Phils?  That's depressing for them, although I agree "Helms 3B" is depressing on a lineup card too.

How about SD for Pedro?  Kouzmanoff and Branyan don't seem to be doing much even in a platoon, and Pedro could bat 6 or lower over there better than 3 or 5 in SF.  Nobody in Portland seems too exciting; maybe they'd give Bowen and some AA nobody for Pedro?  It's more than would come in if he leaves as an FA, Bowen would fill in the roster until Eliezer comes back, and at that point Molina could be traded for something better.

I don't think Winn is an upgrade for ANH, and I think he'd have to sit on the bench longer than the Magowan/Sabean "We're Paying This Guy A Lot So He Plays Even If We Lose" mantra would allow before he'd agree to a trade.  Ideally his salary could be dumped, but he might as well stand around for another year or so, and I bet he'll agree to a trade if the fire sale ended in 100 losses (or if there's no sale and the current crew loses that many).

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by BlackDougal on Jun 16, 2007 6:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
First, a moneyball team like SD wouldn't touch Feliz with a 10-ft pole.

Second, Molina is worth keeping. What's not to love about the world's slowest hard-hitting catcher?

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by hairball on Jun 16, 2007 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
I like Bengie too but I don't think he's going to be the one piece that turns this team around.  More importantly, he'd be worth something to someone else.
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by BlackDougal on Jun 16, 2007 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
There is no one piece. That's a myth. Our strength is our pitching, and having a decent veteran catcher whose bat not only contributes but seems to be the only thing clutch about our team- well, that means something.
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by hairball on Jun 16, 2007 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to distract us from staring at the abys
I think the Pads would rather stick with Kouzmanoff since they traded a promising 2B in Josh Barfield to get him. Plus he has possibility for improvement, unlike Feliz who is pretty much consistently mediocre.
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by Natto on Jun 16, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to
I don't think I'd give up Winn for Morales, who hasn't given any indication so far that he can hit OR field the position.

The others are quite interesting, especially the Morris to the Indians scenario.  I don't think that the Mark Shapiro would be dumb enough to take Morris, but I think we could definitely get that done if a Krivisky/Bowden/Littlefield type were the GM of the Indians.

Trading Klesko is something we absolutely need to do.

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by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2007 7:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: A game to
Dumb enough? Seriously, I love how blind all the stat-heads are to the fact that Morris has pitched well this year, is a good pitcher going back through his career, and is only 32 years old.
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by hairball on Jun 16, 2007 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to
Yeah everyone forgets this guy was one of the best aces around for like 5 years until he lost velocity.  Now he's learned how to pitch with with his curveball being the domminate pitch, and he seems pretty damn good at it now.  But I wouldn't mind getting marte and shoppach for him.

by SabeanSupporter on Jun 16, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: A game to
I have been accused of being a stat head, but I see Matt as having pitched VERY well this season.  While I didn't like his signing (although I'm warming to it now and actually will like it if the Giants are able to get something valuable for Matt before his likely decline), I actually was able to predict his good streak last season -- the one that started with his only complete game of the season. K/BB analysis really does work sometimes.

Anyway, I think it is very unfair to say that a so-called "stat head" can't see that Matt has pitched well this season.

by sharksrog on Jun 16, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

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