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TSIF!

What if Tim Lincecum doesn't immediately win the Cy Young and Rookie of the Year awards? What then? WHAT HAPPENS THEN?

And I never understood the whole "breathing into a paper bag"-thing. Doesn't work for me.

So there's a little hiccup in Lincecum's path to greatness. He doesn't have impeccable control, his pitch counts can run up quickly, and his fastball can be hit if the hitter is waiting for it. We've been through this before. Matt Cain ran into a wall last season, and he was skipped over in the rotation. There was a sound argument for sending him down and a sound argument for letting him take his lumps in the bigs. It wasn't an issue after the skipped start, though. Cain was one of the better pitchers in the league after he returned to the rotation.

Cain's struggles were worse than what Lincecum is going through right now. Cain was being slapped around the park. Lincecum is mixing in a bunch of bleeders, passed balls, and stolen bases aided by Lincecum's own brain lock. That's not to say there aren't problems; there are. Leadoff walks are just killing him, and if he isn't getting the curve over consistently, a hitter can sit on the fastball. It doesn't help that he's hanging a good portion of the curveballs that are catching the plate.

Lincecum is a young pitcher with imperfect control. So it goes. But there's no reason to panic and send him down. He's in a stretch where everything he does wrong is killing him. Stay the course. We're still about two more awful starts before it even becomes a real question.

I'd love to see more of the changeup, though....

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Re: TSIF!
Should I trade Gallardo for Lincecum?
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Jun 14, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Regarding that changeup, you read my mind Grant!
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 14, 2007 2:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I think we would all like to see the change up more from Tim.  The only one I can remember being hit was the high, inside change he hung to Todd Helton that Todd skimmed off the top of the right field fence for a home run.

But Tim has been throwing fewer than half his change up for strikes recently.  I would think the low, outside change to lefthanded hitters would be a hard take.  But batters have seemed to be able to do so.

The good news is that he has fairly consistently been missing low and outside, indicating a slight adjustment could turn those into perfect pitches knee high on the outside.

I would like to see the Giants catchers call for that pitch more often when Tim has the batter at 0-2 or 1-2.  In Tim's first start at Fresno this year, he struck out two with the fastball, three with the curve and also three with the change.  As I recall, in that game he actually threw the change more times (15) than the curve (13).

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
Two questions:
  • What's "TSIF"?
  • Anyone heard anything regarding Klesko's injury yesterday.  I've just been reading he pulled up running the bases, but haven't some anything more.  (He hasn't returned my calls, either.)
Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 14, 2007 2:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
Tim Suffers in Flames?
Tiny Supper in Fremont?
Telephoto Sin Including (tim) Flannery?
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
Or worse:

Tim Seen in Fresno.

by sfgfan on Jun 14, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I hope he forgot his XBox there. That's the only reason he should be seen around there.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
That Sucker Is Fat
Obviously commentary on our new backup catcher.

or

The Sky Is Falling

Mandowear | comics | Ray - sent to his room until he hits

by Natto on Jun 14, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
The shit is fanning?

(Not to be confused with the filmgoer's squeal: "Fanning is the shit")

Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 14, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Pedro is the star of that sequel.

by paboperfecto on Jun 14, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
these shorts are full?
Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 14, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Ding!

(The second one...)

by Grant on Jun 14, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hmmm, I see the commentary on any of our catchers hasn't changed much over close to the last year...
Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hmmm. I was going with "This Shit is Fucked."

Which, it isn't, but would be the proper overexaggerated response to thinking The Enchanter is in trouble yet.

Hack Leonard could beat up Chuck Norris

by DiegoGiant on Jun 14, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Besides its not like this team is going anywhere. Timmy already proved to us that AAA is no match for him. Let him take his lumps here and be ready for the latter part of this season. Cy Young award will be his for the taking. I am sure of that
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Jun 14, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Mordy, my man.  Good to have you back aboard!

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Like I said yesterday, on top of the bleeders he has been giving up, you had a team sans Bonds,Molina and a 2nd baseman who not only can't hit the side of a barn but evidently can't field a routine grounder either.  I think thats a bit much for any kid to handle...Don't ya think?
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Jun 14, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Also under "a bit much for any kid to handle": He had to hook up with a battery mate who was making his first start behind the plate after eleventy years in the minor leagues, a guy whose Gameday photo made Keith Richards look like Dave Flemming. No excuse for Tim's performance yesterday, but it certainly didn't help.
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Jun 14, 2007 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think you are right on with this. Molina knows how to call a game and work pitchers. He should be their for every timmy start. Also this come back to just how lousy rags has been as pitching coach that he didn't step in to make sure that molina caught tim.
Go Timmy

by hf79 on Jun 14, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Before you rag on Rags...

Perhaps it was on purpose.  Maybe Rodriguez caught Timmy in Fresno and they worked well together.  Bochy and Rags might have figured Rodriguez would catch something that Bengie hadn't.

Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 14, 2007 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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You are correct, sir. In Timmy's five starts in Fresno, G-rod caught four of them. Knoedler caught his 4-17 start.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think Tim's recent loss of control and command have been by far the biggest culprit.  Other than Freddie Lewis' having a looping fly ball down the right field line against the Astros at Pac Bell tip off his glove, as he belatedly stretch it out, I haven't had a quarrel with the fielding behind Tim.

In the last game, he got a nice grounder when he needed a double play, but the ball wasn't hit hard enough.  I don't think even the Wizard of Vizquel could have turned it, though.

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No pressure
The answer is simple: If Tim doesn't win the Cy Young, Rookie of the year, MVP, and World Series (all by himself, throwing 4 no hitters in a row and hitting .800 for the series with 4 HR) this year, the universe will implode.

(I've told enough people to calm the F down about Timmy, so I get to make a sky-is-falling comment. So nyah)

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Play the kids - These kids can play
That this happened before with Cain is exactly why guys need to learn up on the big leage level if they are ready.  We're not making the playoffs with this punch an judy crop of hitters, so why not give the kids a year to learn?  Frandsen, you'r playing SS and 2nd all year.  Lewis, welcome to RF / CF.  Timmy, you're here to stay and perhaps we can move Morris for a legit hitting prospect.  Tell me the Mets / Phils / Reds / Braves etc. who are desperate for SP would turn down an allstar pitcher.
I come from a family of Giants fans, so I'm a giants fan. He said, if your family were morons would you be one too? No, because morons are Dodger fans.

by CEO of the William VanLandingham FanClub on Jun 14, 2007 2:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Play the kids - These kids can play
I think that with skillful decision-making, the Giants of '07 could become the '06 Tigers of '08. Wrap your head around that a few times, and then wrap your head around a wall as you realize that "skillful decision-making" does not exactly describe the Giants organization.
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 14, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Play the kids - These kids can play
the problem is that these kids CAN'T play. Kevin Frandsen might be a decent second baseman on a power laden team like the Red Sox, Mets or Yankees, but he's a waste here on a team dying for power. And Freddie Lewis has certainly not shown he's an everyday major leaguer at this point. He's a lousy outfielder and he can't hit lefties. I have no problem with turning everyday jobs over to players who have a chance to be stars, but turning them over to guys who the best you can hope for is an average major league career is just not smart. These guys are not Stephen Drew, Carlos Quentin and Chris Young, where you plug them in there and know you might suffer for awhile, but know that eventually there will be a reward. These are guys who will never take you anywhere.
Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! And Randy Winn says: "stop trying to trade me. I have a no trade clause!!"

by rxmeister on Jun 15, 2007 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Play the kids - These kids can play
Who know's if Lewis is capable or not?  Give him a real chance and if he fails try something else.  What we do know is that guys over 35 are going to get worse, not better and this team is full of guys with no upside, who are playing over guys who have potential.  

Lewis might not be the next Carl Crawford, but if he is a average major leauge OF he is far more valuable to us than say a Winn / Roberts because he is super cheap and we can control him for years.  Cheap serviesable guys enable us to  spend big on prized free agents (as we can't develop a star bat).  

Team salaries:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=sfo

Roberts 5 mill
Morris 10 mill
Durham 7 mill
Feliz 5 mill
Bonds 15.5 mill
Aurillia 3.5

For that money, I say trade Morris and make a run at Teixera / Dunn assuming we sign them to an extension as part of the deal.  If they want 15+ a year each, that is Bonds / Morris and Roberts money right there should you play Lewis in CF.  

Or you can jettison Feliz and his 5 mill and play Aurila at 3rd so you could make a run at A-rod instead of say Dunn.  

The long winded point...play the young guys if they are even close to producing like these old vets. They cost WAY less, they have a chance to outperform, and even if they aren't quite as good or consistent, they enable you to get major thump in free agency.

I come from a family of Giants fans, so I'm a giants fan. He said, if your family were morons would you be one too? No, because morons are Dodger fans.

by CEO of the William VanLandingham FanClub on Jun 15, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Play the kids - These kids can play
I guess we would expect ANY president of the William Van Landingham fan club to be an optimist.  :)

So, how do we know that Freddie Lewis is capable or not?  Let us count the ways:

.  Center field bat, but had to be moved out of center field last season due to his poor angles on fly balls.

.  Fantastic speed, but poor instincts.

.  Not much power, but strikes out a lot, putting a cap on his batting average at around .250 against major league pitching.

.  Freddie is already 26, rather old for a prospect to make the major leagues and then become a starting player.

So can Freddie BECOME a productive major league player?  Yes, he can -- but he has much work to do.  When I saw Freddie at Fresno for the first time this year, I figured he was probably still a couple of years away -- if he ever made it as a quality starting outfielder at all.

Freddie needs to work on his outfielding so that he can return to center field instead of being a mediocre-at-best corner outfielder.  He has the speed and even the average but accurate arm to do so.

Freddie does have two things going for him as a hitter, both of which he needs to be able to exploit more.

First, unlike most Giants players not named Bonds, he knows how to take a walk.  Freddie is far from a contact hitter, which puts him deeper in counts.  If he can lay off bad pitches, that gives him a chance to draw a lot of walks.  And he's better than average at doing so.

Second, more than half the outs Freddie has made on balls in play have come on ground balls.  With just a little adjustment perhaps Freddie can hit his ground balls in a way in which he can beat more of them out with his great speed.

Freddie also needs to harness that great speed with better base running judgement in order to capitalize on it on the base paths.

Oh, and his speed could be an asset in the field (as he showed with his great diving catch in left center a week or two ago)if only he can learn to judge the ball better off the bat.  He should be working with Willie Mays and taking 100 fly balls a day before games.

So, yeah, Freddie COULD become a good ballplayer.  He has some tools (including developing power, although not a lot of it), but right now he is far more athlete than ballplayer.

Freddie's ceiling isn't exceptionally high, but it could be of starting caliber.  But he has miles and miles to go before his improvement an sleep.  And at 26, not a lot of time to make the improvement.

Freddie does have ONE thing going for him though.  The Giants don't have many OTHER young outfielders.  Nate Schierholtz is the only one who ranks ahead of him now.

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
A lot of the problem is that Lincecum throws his curve too hard for it to break hard.  He throws it around 81-83 mph with limited movement, but when he throws it around 75-78 mph, he gets a much better break.  

by Chulk on Jun 14, 2007 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
I'd also like to see Linc drop a few mph on his curve. Cain went through this same transition. His curve would be around 83 mph but without Linc's sharp break. Take his last start against Oakland and you can see the big difference. It's slower and buckles batters knees more than it used to. Absolutely deadly when he's got control of it.

If Matty Fastball can do it, I don't see why The Enchanter can't.

Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 14, 2007 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Anything you can do, I can do better...

by paboperfecto on Jun 14, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Quick, who would win an arm wrestling match? Linc or Cain?
Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 14, 2007 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Cainer would probably snap the stringbean-y Tim in half. :(
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hells yeah. He and Bonds would take his lunch money too. The big bullies.

Oh, wait. I forgot that's a bad thing.

Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 14, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Does that question even need to be asked?  Cainer (The Bull) would annihilate lil' Timmy.  
Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 14, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Aha, but what if it's a day after both have pitched? Now it gets interesting. Although I still see Bonds stuffing Tim in a trash can or giving him a swirly.
Good news: Brian Sabean has left us in position to be in contention by the next century, at least.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 14, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
What was it I'm supposed to say here?  hmmm...something about a bull and it's horns...oh that's right.  It goes a little something like this...

Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 14, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
You just went up a notch in my book.

That brings you to notch "1".

by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
The original curve that Tim threw was a bit of a double breaker.  It was slower but had a more pronounced break.

That said, Tim's power curve is one heck of a pitch unless he hangs it.  I believe five of his six strikeouts -- and definitely at least four -- came on the curve in his last outing.

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I think what is killing Lincecum right now is the transition from AAA to the show.  Throwing back in Fresno is not going to give him the the experience of standing in front of 30,000+ people that he needs.  He needs to fail because he needs to learn how to deal with it and right what is going wrong.  If he can't (and dare I say it), he doesn't belong in the major leagues.
Benitez: All Balk, no Bite.

by BondOrBust on Jun 14, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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What if it's 30,000+ people that he just wants?
Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 14, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
hee hee. that took me a second.
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 14, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
Yes, Tim does need to make the adjustment.  But I don't think it is the large crowds that are bothering him.  I think he has just temporarily lost his control and his command.  He'll get them back -- and my best guess would be that he will do so quickly.

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Lincecum isn't going to learn very much in Fresno. He needs to learn at the MLB level and that means that sometimes he'll take his lumps. He's still basically a thrower and he needs to learn HOW TO PITCH.

Young stud pitchers often rely on their "stuff" way more often than they should to the exclusion of location, pitch selection and backing off speeds, slowing the game down with runners on, etc - the more mental side of pitching. Cain went thru the exact same thing that Tim is going thru and now he is immensely improved.

Also consider that Tim has never been rocked at any level (consistently) and has to get used to that. He's now facing major leaguers. They all can hit a fastball. He needs to just pitch a little smarter.

Recall the game in NY. Tim couldn't do jack with the curve, but Molina told Tim to ease up on the curve and almost instantly he got it working well. Linc is good. He will be fine.  

something interesting.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 14, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Some people need to get smacked around to learn best. I'd imagine Tim is that kind of person. But as they say, when you learn the hard way, it sticks for the rest of your life.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 14, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
I agree with alot of you on this one.  A bit of a personal story for you...

I grew up wrestling...like what you see in the Olympics, not that WWF shit.  We didn't have Little League, no Pop Warner football, but as a 2nd grader, I started wrestling and kept it up all the way through high school.  Entering my freshman year in HS I thought I was the shit, until I got my head beat in by the 2nd best heavyweight in the state in our first practice.  I wasn't a HUGE kid, and could have easily dodged the guy by wrestling in the lower weight class, but my coach wouldn't allow it.  To this day I'm glad that he didn't, because those two years of getting my ass kicked on a daily basis in practice did me alot of good.

Once the big guy left, I WAS the shit...If I do say so myself...and I don't doubt for a second that I wouldn't of been nearly that good if I wasn't tossed around like a little toy doll.  

The moral of the story, is that it's good to get your teeth kicked in.  Dealing with diversity is the only way to strengthen the skills.  In Going down to Fresno Timmy will just toy with the hitters he faces.  He could lose every game for the rest of the year for all I care (double backflip super anti-hex dodging jinx), because knowing that he's taken his lumps this year will make him one crazy motivated guy at the start of next year.

Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 14, 2007 5:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Tim Lincecum deserves to be in the major leaguer. This new back up catcher Rodriguez does not. That was some amateur play to start the last game. Who did Knoedler piss off?
Defender of Noah Lowry.

by Kid Fresh on Jun 14, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Who did he piss off?  Uh..Brian Sabean maybe?
Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 14, 2007 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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They were probably just bringing up GRod until some team released a stiff journeyman big league catcher for them to sign. A couple of weeks ago Kelly Stinnett was released, but someone else snapped him up before the Alfonzo injury. This week the stiff catcher is Sal Fasano. Look for him to be signed in a few days with G.Rod going back down. They would have lost Knoedler if they had brought him up, and now that it looks like Alfonzo is only going to be out for a couple of months, exposing Knoedler to waivers would have been a waste.
Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! And Randy Winn says: "stop trying to trade me. I have a no trade clause!!"

by rxmeister on Jun 15, 2007 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I liked Sal when he was with the A's.  Seemed to be OK defensively although he didn't wow me the other day.  He can't hit for squat, but at this point who cares.  I certainly don't care if Rodriguez ever sees black and orange again... maybe Fasano would be a better candidate for Fresno if no one else wants him (since he's basically played for everyone once at this point).

BB

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on Jun 15, 2007 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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There's no reason -- yet -- not to think this is just a case of Tim going through the same thing as Tom Glavine did at the beginning of his career. Here's to a future with 300 wins.

by NearestNorwich on Jun 14, 2007 7:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Lincecum has been cuffed around, is not making adjustments, and he still has too many adoring fans. He needs to sit down. Put him in the bullpen for a couple of starts and let Ortiz back on it. Make the kid think about it a bit. Then maybe he gets another chance.

by reeky on Jun 14, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Roos is on the DL.
Mandowear | comics | Ray - sent to his room until he hits

by Natto on Jun 14, 2007 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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2nd time someone had to be told that
Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 14, 2007 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
should I add it to my sig line along with the comment about Randy Winn having a no trade clause??
Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! And Randy Winn says: "stop trying to trade me. I have a no trade clause!!"

by rxmeister on Jun 15, 2007 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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So we're supposed to punish the kid for not actually being Jesus? Good to know.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Jun 14, 2007 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
WWTLD? Would Tim Lincecum punish Tim Lincecum for not being Tim Lincecum?
Succumb to Tiny Tim! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Jun 14, 2007 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
It's actually a good thing.  All of the Alous are too old to be of much use, anyway.
Klesko's numbers just keep going up! (.318/.405/.488 as of 6/14/07)

by Goofus on Jun 15, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Generous of you to consider giving Tim another chance, Reeky.  :)

by sharksrog on Jun 15, 2007 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
I don't care to speculate as to why exactly he's pitching poorly - he's not throwing enough strikes or he's throwing fat ones when he does but I certainly don't know whether it's mental, mechanical, or otherwise. What I do know is that he's at least 2-3 more lousy starts away from worrying me and that sending him down (or even skipping a start, although that would bother me less) is not yet warranted and thinking that Russ Ortiz is a better option is NEVER warranted. Not to mention that Roos is hurt. At worst, give Sanchez a start and Timmy a couple of bullpen appearances.

I disagree, with the sentiment that those two starts  against the Astros were entirely a product of the poor hitters he was facing - his command was much better those starts, he wasn't just getting away with hangers.

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Jun 14, 2007 11:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
I agree with Jake, as I always do, except for the stint in the bullpen as a possibility. Keep sending him out there every five days and let him take his lumps if need be, although hopefully that won't be the case. If you replace him in the rotation, will the new starter win us the pennant?? Not likely. The young starters are the only hope this franchise has right now, and unless Tim starts becoming a headcase he needs to experience both the highs and the lows of being a major league pitcher. There is nothing to be learned at Fresno, we already know his stuff is unhittable to minor league hitters. If he goes down there to work on things, the minute he gets in trouble he's going to revert back to throwing the stuff that gets those guys out, and that's not something that's going to work in the big leagues. Let him pitch through the problems, and let him stay up here and watch and learn and talk to guys like Matt Morris, about how they deal with similar problems.
Hate to be the Messenger of bad news, but strike three, you're out!! And Randy Winn says: "stop trying to trade me. I have a no trade clause!!"

by rxmeister on Jun 15, 2007 7:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: TSIF!
I can see that conversation:

Tim: "So, Matt, like, what do you do when you know, you're throwing 98 mph and snapping off unhittable curveballs you know, but like, you have trouble locating them you know?"
Morris: * strangles Lincecum *

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

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