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Nervous system....

I'm not sure if I've ever been more nervous watching a pitcher as I was for Tim Lincecum's debut. After all of the hype and grainy YouTube videos, it was the first time most Giants fans had the chance to watch him. The results were disappointing, but the overall performance was not. He gave me the courage to cheer for the great pitching prospects, the serenity to ignore the middling prospects, and the wisdom to know the difference. Yea, be unto him.

Every Lincecum start since then has ranged from good to outstanding. Now my nerves act up more when I shave under my nose than when I watch Lincecum pitch. It's the same with Matt Cain; if either one has a couple of poor starts, they'll be indicative of a couple of poor starts and nothing more. They've both earned a certain kind of trust that transcends the minutia of a single game.

Barry Zito doesn't have that trust yet. I tend to analyze every pitch of his as if it means something. Every good curve in a 2-2 count is reason for optimism; every wild fastball in a 3-2 count is reason for panic. So, so much of the franchise's fortune for the next few years is reliant on him pitching well. If he pitches like a left-handed Mark Gardner with iffy control for the first year of his eleventy-year contract - and that comparison comes with all due respect to Gardner - there would be tears, wailing, and resentment heading into year two. It'd be a tough slog.

That's why it's so nice to watch Zito pitch well, and it's why I anticipate each of his starts with the same nerves I had for Lincecum's debut. The last two starts were evidence that Zito can be a good pitcher. It seems silly to write that about a pitcher with a long history of being above-average, but Zito hadn't shown anything in a Giants' uniform other than an occasionally nice curve that he couldn't locate.

Last night, though, he carved the Mets up. The fastball set up the curve. The curve had location and bite; it was hard to hit even when the batter was expecting it. He changed speeds on all of his pitches. It was just a fantastic start.

And I'll still be nervous as hell for every one of his starts for, oh, the next year or so.

Comment starter: Am I the only one? Or are the rest of you already in the "I trust him" or the "I wrote him off in February" camp?

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Re: Nervous system....
Cain?  Giants are 2-8 in his starts this year, must be a loser pitcher, never giving his team the chance to win.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 12:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Cain is my favorite Giants pitcher. He is also the most disappointing to me this year to date. Everyone (especially Giants announcers) were going on about how dominant he was at the beginning of the year, usually citing the oppBA as evidence. OppBA is a good indicator of "stuff", but it does not show the dominance of a pitcher. I expect it's a product of being young, but his command of the game is clearly lacking. He's got the stuff to win, and win often, but he is not able to make pitches - and throw strikes - when he needs to. All this said, I am holding my breath for him to put it all together. It should be a thing of beauty.

by BigO on May 31, 2007 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Yeah, he's terrible, making the bullpen blow all those saves and the offense not score all those runs.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on May 31, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
That came off more harshly sarcastic than I meant.

I don't think looking at his W-L record is a good indicator of whether he's "put it all together".  It's not Matt Cain's fault that the Giants have only won 2 of his starts.  Most of those losses are on the offense or the bullpen, and he can't control either of those things.

Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on May 31, 2007 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
He should start hitting more.  A home run or two during each of his starts would work wonders for his W-L record.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Don't think I said that he's responsible for the 2-8 record. I just think he's a step away from where he should be. He's walked 4 or more batters in 7 of 10 starts. And he's only once made it beyond 7 innings. I do admit that I hold him to a higher standard, but he needs to finish more guys off when he has the chance.

by BigO on May 31, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I agree with Big O.  Cain is pitching fairly well but he should pitch better.  I don't think either one of us is referring to his ERA, which has been great.  And it's unfortunate that Sabean put in his contract that the offense isn't allowed to score runs for him.

But Cain's ERA seems to be a consequence of a tiny BA against, which should start to reverse as the season progresses.  He needs to control his walks better and increase his strike outs to ultimately be dominant.  Something he can do.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
He's done well as far as getting a decent ERA, but I really thought he was ready to take another step forward in terms of his control and he really hasn't thus far. That said, he's still only 22 years old. I just did expect better from him so far. That said, I'm glad he's healthy and doing a good job preventing runs. I do think he could help himself by throwing fewer pitches and walking fewer batters though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Big O, if Matt Cain continues to pitch as well as he has this season for 20 more, he could have a shot at the Hall of Fame.  Sooner or later he will play on a team that can score some runs for him.

Incidentally, I LOVED watching you play basketball.  I saw your first game on TV when you still play for Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis.  The way you could back a guy down and get a shot off over him with your elbow almost inverted was a sight to behold.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Ah, the late lamented Royals...
Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on May 31, 2007 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
The stadium, not the hoops wizard. Sorry.

by BigO on May 31, 2007 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
You're also joking of course.  Right?

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Heh.  There are a lot of broken sarcasm detectors today.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 31, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I was reading the preview for tonight's game on mlb.com and they mentioned that the Giants were 2-8 in Cain's starts this year.  I was incredulous.  Then it came back to me, all the times Cain has said about the bullpen "This stuff happens, in the same situation next time these same guys will get it done," or some variation of that (this young guy could teach a certain older "relief" "pitcher" we all know and love something about tact).  

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Cainer has the market cornered on zen it seems.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Matt Cain is an exceptional example of why a pitcher shouldn't be judged much on his won-loss record.  If only the Cy Young Award voters could remember that, they would more frequently give the award to the best pitcher rather than the luckier one.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
You're joking, of course.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I'm in between trusting Barry and not trusting him.  That's because he's an in between starter.  A middle of the rotation starter who doesn't miss starts.

He's neither a control pitcher nor a power pitcher, which is one reason he makes Grant so nervous.  When his control is on, like last night, he puts up dominating performances.  Usually, his control is a crap shoot, like the old version of Ortiz.

He evens out as a nice #2-#3 starter, but he ain't worth $128 million.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
On to the real comment starter I would say that I am in between the two choices.  With Cain and Lincecum I am excited that they get to pitch for Giants for the next while (barring any stupid firesales by management).  With Zito it's still the hope that there's something to be excited about for the next seven.  I am excited when it's his turn to take the ball but also nervous.  After the first inning I was able to calm down a little.  Even after he gave up the lead off double to Lo Duca I was still calm so I guess I would say that there is some semblance of trust at the moment.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I didn't quite write him off in February but I knew what we were getting: a pitcher who has as many good starts as his mediocre and bad starts. Nothing he does this season surprises me.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I'm with baron so far, but with upside.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
He did disappoint me in failing to encourage others to adopt the high sock look permanently. Aurilia's sort of been doing it, but there are only a few guys who do it sporadically.

Come on. Be a leader Barry.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think Ortmeier would look slammin with the high socks, as would Frandsden.  Maybe Fred Lewis in a pinch.  Other than that though, there's not a lot of high sock potential on our team.  Klesko would look downright silly.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Bonds in high socks would be classic.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Ortiz and Molina in high socks?  I think that about puts the kibosh on that plan.

by zenbitz on May 31, 2007 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
The pajama pants he wears wouldn't work so well with the socks.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Klesko's done it and strangely it works on him. Who woulda thunk it?

I agree that Fred could pull off the look. I've seen Lowry is the high socks just one time and I've filed the visual in my memory for all time.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
damn damn damn, why can't I get FSN Bay Area.

I pine for views of this dreamy man!

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Having been present for Zito's disastrous start in Oakland, and having listened to the radio call of Apocolypse Mando two nights ago, I'm starting to wonder whether any pitcher should ever take the field against his former team, especially on their field. It just seems like a recipe for disaster. Zito might not really be as good as he appeared last night, but I'd like to think he's closer to that than the guy who made the Athletics look like the '27 Yankees. Armando, not so much.
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by Kitspool on May 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I don't. I think he's an above-average SP who's on the razor edge - when that fastball is 82-83, its not even remotely useful, and makes him a 1-2 pitch guy. I worry that any day after the next couple of years, Zito will simply drop off a cliff - and this will Mike Hampton in Colorado all over again.

by Aadik on May 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
The Mike Hampton comp used to worry me, but once he was out of pre-humidor Colorado he was a pretty useful pitcher. A peripherals-be-damned kind of good pitcher, too. I wonder if there are some lefties that needed to be evaluated more like knuckleballers than power righties. Glavine, Hampton, Zito, vintage Rueter, etc....

by Grant on May 31, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Actually Zito, circa 2007, reminds me of Rueter, circa 2000.  Peripials don't seem to matter as much with crafty lefties, but they matter.  When Rueter couldn't get his K/BB over 1.0 he was done.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I mean, "peripherals".
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....pretty calm here
I have had strong confidence in Zito...but then, I wanted the Giants to sign him a long time before they did. He is historically a slow starter, and pitches better as the season progresses. And...he's in the National league, a fast ball oriented league, and they will have a hard time with his offspeed stuff, especially as he refines it. Look at Glavine...it was good Zito got to pitch against him and see how he works. Things will be fine...

by whataboutbob on May 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Giants fans are hard to please.  Zito is good.  He'll probably squeak into the hall of fame.  I hope it's in orange and black.
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by milesntrane on May 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
That's a bold statement.

by Mel Ott on May 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
No, he won't. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to see him finish top 10 in a Cy Young ballot again.

His K/BB was approx 1.5 last year - and its even worse this year.

Zito's value comes from being an extremely durable pitcher, but the Giants need not have paid $126 million from it.

by Aadik on May 31, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Bay Area HOF maybe.
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by Natto on May 31, 2007 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think it is indeed quite likely that Barry Zito will be in the Hall of Fame.  Certainly given his salary he should be able to afford the price of admission.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I've felt that Zito would be good for the first half of the contract and then go downhill. With that start at Oakland I was optimistic that he'd good this year and maybe next. Now, I'm back to "he'll be good this year and next" and after that...who knows.

He doesn't have the full trust yet, but if he puts together a bunch more starts like yesterday's, then he will.

Tim Lincecum has been freed!

by nostocksjustbonds on May 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Barry has been very good his last two times out, although he benefitted from a bit of luck in the former outing.  But Barry has far too many awful outings.

His 7-1 K/BB ratio yesterday certainly helped out his horrible peripherals, though.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Although he's done nothing to inspire it this year, I trust Barry as an above-average pitcher with the ability to give his team a chance to win nearly every start. I optimistically look at his rough start this year as getting used to an entirely new team and league. It is well-known that he has perenially been slow to get things going.

As an aside to paboperfecto ridiculous comment that Cain is a loser pitcher.... Have you ever watched him pitch? That is the single most ignorant statement I have heard this season. The Giants could easily be 9-1 in his starts, if the offense and defense could pull it together.

Why don't they just stick me in the eyes with red-hot pokers?!?

by lannieshea on May 31, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think he was joking. :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think it was completely tounge in cheek.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Lets put it this way.  Every time Cain goes out there I get extremely nervous.  Nervous that he'll have a no hitter going but have to be pulled in the 7th because he has 120 pitches, or nervous because he finally throws his first no hitter an loses 1-0 on an unearned run.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
An overpaid #3.  He'll look fine for a few years, then the question is whether he turns into a strange, second-tier hybrid of Moyer and Glavine, or into Rueter.  Fingers crossed for the former.

by wcw on May 31, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Glavine is still pretty darn good.  And isn't Barry already sort of a second coming of Moyer?

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
It's good to see some realistic expectations from Zito now. I thought I was taking crazy pills when the signing was anounced and I saw so many responses on this respectable website in the fashion of "OMG CANT WAIT TO WATCH ZITO PITCH IN A GIANTS UNI!1!"

Now I just figure there were a lot of fans who hadn't seen him pitch since 2002. Because he is really one of the most misereable pitchers to watch. Not far from a LH Ortiz (circa 2000).

by mxmob33 on May 31, 2007 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I still don't trust him... all night last night, I was just waiting for him to blow up. Maybe it's unfair, but meh. I think he'll be a solid #2 or 3 for the first few years of the contract; I don't want to think about years 5-7.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Having watched Zito on the other side of the Bay (my side, heh) for as long as I did is proof enough of this.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
"all night last night, I was just waiting for him to blow up."

What a lame attitude to watch a ballgame with! I was enjoying the curves. Did you see those ones that were practically caught at the ground, but fell nicely through the strike zone?

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by hairball on May 31, 2007 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I was enjoying the game, I was just nervous that he was going to lose it suddenly. Geez.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
There's a new wave of posters on here...they're pretty snappish.
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by victor frankenstein on May 31, 2007 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: am i really that new?
No but the prevailing attitude around here is that of a sore tit, and it's sort of a bummer.
Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: am i really that new?
No, plus I remember you from the other board, and you're generally a cool guy. I just don't like having my fandom questioned!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: am i really that new?
Hey, if you're ever in Hopland, we'll have to drink some Hennessy and bitch about the Giants together.
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by hairball on May 31, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having seen the Sopranos promo
I was waiting for the tractor driver, not Zito, to blow up.
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by hairball on May 31, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
When Armondo came into NY two nights ago I was waiting for him to blow up and he hadn't thrown a pitch.  I guess I watch games with bad attitudes as well.

by paboperfecto on May 31, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Barry's curve was indeed really good last night.  It is when he is missing with it and has to rely more on his fastball that he is quite vulnerable.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
What sad is, if the contract had been reasonable it would have been fine even with the up and down performances.

But that contract is so bad that no matter what he does we are screwed.

The worst contract in Baseball history and its going to have lasting devastating effects for this team for the next ten years unless payroll rises substantially.

by covenant on May 31, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
um yeah definitely not the worst contract in history.  Much, much less crippling than the hampton deal.  Hell, the A-Rod deal, the rangers are paying out the wazoo for that one.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Oh, gosh, if Barry could pitch back to 2002 for seven years, he would MORE than earn his contract.  It's just that his performance has dropped of by more than a run per game since.

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Looking at his comps through age 28... HAMPTON, ug, ug, ug, TOM GLAVINE, ug, ug, ug...

by zenbitz on May 31, 2007 2:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I don't know how to take that. Hampton is a legit "ug", but if his career is anything like Glavine's over the next 7 years, then the $126 million contract will look like a steal, so that would have to be a tongue-in-cheek "ug"...?
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by EliminateMe on May 31, 2007 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think the "ug"s are in reference to his non-Hampton and Glavine comps.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 31, 2007 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Oh...huh. No love for Mickey Lolich?
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by EliminateMe on May 31, 2007 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
Yes.  Too lazy to cut and paste.

by zenbitz on May 31, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I think reading the comments and diaries on this blog tend to cloud my thoughts at times. I mean, people here can overreact to every game. I mean, people went from "Fred Lewis should start over Dave Roberts" to "Fred Lewis absolutely blows" within a week.

Zito will be fine.

by Karlifornia on May 31, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I went from "Fred Lewis should start over Dave Roberts" to "Fred Lewis absolutely blows" within that sentence.
Steve Kline: He's pretty okay!

by groug on May 31, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
You comment on how people's perception of Freddie Lewis changed so quickly is so good that I am thinking we should rename the state after you, Karlifornia.  :)

by sharksrog on May 31, 2007 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
A) $127 million for a slow curveball and an 87mph fastball that misses a lot? We're idiots!

B)Since it ain't my money, and there's no real salary cap in baseball, Zito is a great, great pickup. Who would you rather have on the mound after a brutal loss? How about: Nobody. Who would you rather have setting an example for Caincecum? Nobody. The guy's going to get us 12-15 wins THIS YEAR, and that's with Bengie Frickin' Molina providing all the firepower.

Is Barry Zito an "ace" in the traditional sense of the word? Nah. Does he make the other pitchers on the staff (including two potential aces in the traditional sense of the word) much, much better? Hells-to-the-yes.

When we pick up A-Rod next year, we're going to be stoked. I'm already stoked on our non-Armando pitching. (Nonmando?)

Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 31, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
you have a strange mixture of disgusting optimism and ridiculous cynicism.  and A-Rod???  please, god no.
In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 31, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
  1. I'm a frickin' Giants fan.
  2. OK, let's just say The Bat To Replace Bonds. (Because I sure would hate to have a guy with 19HR and 45 RBI right now. Sheesh.)
Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 31, 2007 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will give...
you a 100 dollars to present any evidence at all that Zito has any effect on any pitcher not named Barry Zito.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on May 31, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I will give...
My goodness, have you ever heard of veteran guile?  It's contagious, I tell you.  Like that guy with TB, but in a good way.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 31, 2007 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
And I will give you the same for proving he has none.
Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 31, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I feel just as Grant does. Cain and Lincecum only inspire eager anticipation when they start. I have yet to develop any confidence in Zito. I often thought him over-hyped the last few years, and I wouldn't have given him more than a 3-yr contract at $12m per (which, obviously, he wouldn't have accepted). His decline has been pointed out, although I'm hoping the switch to the NL and playing home games at ATT/SBC/PacBell will help mask that for a few years. As someone above said, he averages out to being an average pitcher - some days quite good, some days not so good. He's better than Reuter; maybe he's become Jamie Moyer, but earlier than Moyer actually did.

I see no way his contract is justifiable after 2009, even assuming inflation levels not seen since the Weimar Republic. I hope we can trade him to a desperate George Steinbrenner in 2010. I hope I'm wrong about Zito, I really do. But his contract would seem to be the proverbial millstone around the Giants' neck.

Your 2012 NL ERA champion: Sergio Romo

by Lyle on May 31, 2007 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
I'm always nervous when Zito pitches now, because I have loved him from afar since 2001, I have gone to Giants-A's games just to watch him, he has been my favorite pitcher, a purely willed creation, not a natural. So I knew when my dreams came true and he signed with my team, I knew things would go bad. There was no way in hell anyone could get such money and not do badly, or instantly turn into an object of hate.

Overemotional? Perhaps. But I couldn't think of anything clever to say.

Hello, btw.

Tim Lincecum: the Second Coming of Christy

by shanghaijim on May 31, 2007 8:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
personally I'm excited about zito... he's had some really good starts this year... so he's shown what he can do.  i'm hopeful that he can put it together with consistency and be the ace calibre pitcher the giants paid for.  i'm just an optimistic bastard for some reason.

by bigshowbaseball on May 31, 2007 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Nervous system....
That is one of the problems I have supporting Barry.  Not only are his peripherals declining year-by-year along with his ERA, but those who support can't explain why -- and even then worry about the last half of his contract.

Even the man who signed him admits he overpaid for Barry's services.

by sharksrog on Jun 1, 2007 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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