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Absolutely genius. Best Ever.
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on May 29, 2007 8:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Only 4?  How about 3 years?

I really can't wait for this season to end

by positiveuphemism on May 29, 2007 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

$520
Bill that gaswad for the Gameday I bought today , too.
Halleluia! We Has Risen!

by victor frankenstein on May 29, 2007 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Genius.  Yes.  True.  Yes.

I actually stayed home watching this game instead of going to the girlfriend's for sex.

The standard going rate of a girlfriend in DC is roughly $200/hour.  I want $1300.

by my1gorilla on May 29, 2007 8:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Two words:
Portable. Radio.

Unless she won't go for it, in which case tape it next time.

My Adopted San Francisco Giant: Notgardo Alfonzo

by tk on May 29, 2007 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Two words:
Tape which one?
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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$100 bucks an hour? Not sure if I should make a joke about that being too much or too little...
My VORP is higher than Merkin's VORP.

by Poe on May 29, 2007 8:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I won't make a joke about your math if you don't make a joke about me being overpaid.

by Grant on May 30, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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The Giants are not a great baseball team.  Lacking a closer is to me not a critical problem at the moment because of the other offense and 6-8th inning bullpen problems.

But that said, what is the point of running him out at all?  I don't care what his stats say, and I don't care if he's had a couple good outings.  If this team gets to the point where one inning really matters, this schlemiel will ruin it.  Let Ortiz "close".  Or Hennessey, or anyone else.  Have no closer at all, until someone steps up to do it.  But from now on, Balk-Off should be relegated to meaningless innings. Then, on the off chance the team can come up with adequate answers on offense to pull out a few of these 1-2 run games, maybe one of the other pitchers will have stepped up enough to function as a closer.  It literally can't be worse than having Balk-Off.

BB

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on May 29, 2007 8:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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And Grant- you should send this.  Really.

BB

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on May 29, 2007 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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is it just me who wont be surprised when armando suffers a tragic death by accidently falling into a wood chipper
o, just me, never mind then.......

by sleeknerve on May 29, 2007 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Absolutely brilliant.

Damon Bruce on KNBR has just re-dubbed our alleged closer "Armando Nabokov."  Nice.

by Skaldheim on May 29, 2007 8:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Play on words. Armando "Na-Balk-Off." Get it? Yeah, that's Damon Bruce Humor for ya.
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on May 29, 2007 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Portrait of Armando Benitez

That's not overly subtle, I hope...

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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The organization should have a new promotional day where the first 20,000 fans at the park receieve tamatoes for everyone to throw at the shithead.

by Liriano on May 29, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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You misspelled "grenades".

by dmunk on May 29, 2007 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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more like nukes

by Liriano on May 29, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Forget the invoice, I'm filing a lawsuit.  $500 is nothing compared to the pain and suffering award I'll get, not to mention the punitive damages.

by dmunk on May 29, 2007 8:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I didn't watch most of the game, but I did correctly predict Benitez would lose it for us. I flipped over to the game for a second in the 14th and figured it was only a matter of time. I'll bet Xei Frank's simulator couldn't predict that, baby.

I'd be shocked if Benitez lasted another 2 weeks in a Giants uniform. This simply cannot stand. Brian Sabean is the biggest idiot in the world if he doesn't deal him soon. In the World.

The bright side: Brian Sabean should be out of a job in a few months.

by Punch Rockgroin on May 29, 2007 8:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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If nobody wanted Benitez in spring training when he was actually pitching like a closer, who the hell is going to want him now?
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2007 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Not once did I say we would get anything substantial in return. But there's no real place for him. He won't want to set up. Shit, I wouldn't use him to fetch a cup of coffee. He'd probably screw that up too.

He's gotta go. It's not fun having him on the team.

The bright side: Brian Sabean should be out of a job in a few months.

by Punch Rockgroin on May 29, 2007 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'd be shocked to see him leave, Brian Sabean just  "you win some and you lose some, but I Know Armando will come back strong, it was just a bump in the road for him."

by Liriano on May 29, 2007 8:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"I did my (blow) job." (so to speak)
How will Blownitez spin it to the press that he did his job?  "Hey, I did my job. I took the ball and stood on the mound and did stuff. Check the official lineup; I was announced as a pitcher. If there is some other requirement to doing my job, it's not in my contract or the rulebook."  

Guesses?

Angels fly because they take Brian Sabean lightly.

by Mayor of 311 on May 29, 2007 8:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Mando "The boos fired me up, just too much this time; the pressure out there can be too much to handle sometimes, you try being a big league closer."

by Liriano on May 29, 2007 8:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Sounds good Mando...Gimme your effing glove, the ball, and those baloonish pants of yours and I'll show you how to close the deal.  
Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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its amazing how stupid Sabean is...

he showcases blownitez in spring training with the hope that he does well enough to deal him for something of value, then he somehow manages to trick himself into thinking benitez is good and keeps him

its like setting a bear trap with a sandwich, and then getting so hungry looking at the sandwich that you forget that you just put it in a bear trap

i hate them both so, so much...

by Mike on May 29, 2007 8:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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That was excellent! I needed the laugh!
Halleluia! We Has Risen!

by victor frankenstein on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I remember reading in spring training that Sabean still wanted to get rid of him, but that upper management wanted to keep him. I believe the blame goes with Magowan and crew here, not Sabean.
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves: 289 Armando says: "we're going to Shea Stadium?? Those fans love me! I did my job for many years over there!!"

by rxmeister on May 29, 2007 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Exactly.

"Goddammit, I am paying this guy $10 million and I'm going to get my 10 million bucks worth no matter what!"

This is what happens when you have a baseball card collecting, trust fund kid, connive his way into a managing general partnership, get restless, then start meddling in the personnel decisions of your favorite MLB team.

This is also what happens when you turn down a happy meal for your edsel.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on May 30, 2007 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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On the plus side - an inning like last night's is the kind that prompts the phone call from Macgowan:

"I want that guy gone.  Yesterday.  And take whatever you get for him and dump that in the East River, too - just because of the taint"

by zenbitz on May 30, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I DIDN'T see it, but I still can't believe it.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

by Rude thoughtless little pig on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I have to say those tears at the end were tears of joy. I believe he blows saves to break the hearts of his teams fans, it's like he loves to win for the other team I mean look at tonight's line.

N.Y. 5 S.F. 4 W: Benitez L: Benitez S: Benitez

He does it all.

by Liriano on May 29, 2007 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I know this is unfair.  Well, so what, we have to deal with that goofball who actually thinks that he's good.

So far this season:
                IP     H    BB    K    ERA
Accardo  21.2  15   6     22   1.25
Aardsma 26.2  24  14    32   4.73

And no, I won't go into Nathan and Linebrink.  But, I will go into Heath Bell because I freaking found him last year and didn't take much digging to see that his peripherals were pretty good.  Heath Bell to the Padres for a bucket of dirt

Bell         30    17   6       31   1.20

What a front office we have.

by Kent on May 29, 2007 8:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I have been light on Sabean for some time and have even slightly defended him.  But, I am giving up.  Accordo for Chulk and Hillenbrand and we still have Benetiz.  I am now firmly in the remove Sabean camp.  

DFA Benetiz
DFA Sabean

-- Born Yesterday

by thatdog on May 29, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Does anybody remember that Hillenbrand had been CUT at the time!  And Sabean gives up Accardo, who had a 4.0 K/BB, was 24 years old, threw in the high 90's, and was just learning to pitch!  Sabean constantly bids against himself and generally hates prospects.
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 30, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I just came home and checked the score and... WHAT THE HELL, MAN?!
Mandowear | comics | Sugarman FTW

by Natto on May 29, 2007 9:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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shirts, more shirts...
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

by Rude thoughtless little pig on May 29, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man...
That's classic.  He's just stupid enough to think that he pitched really well.  

Yes, the Mets' free agents of note:
Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, Pedro Martinez, Billy Wagner

Ours:
Mike Matheny, Barry Zito, Omar Vizquel, Armando Benitez

Yeah, we're good!

by Kent on May 29, 2007 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Man...
Carlos Delgado was acquired in a trade, he wasn't a free agent. And Pedro Martinez will be out a full year by the time he returns in late August. I can just imagine the reaction if WE were paying him 15 million to not pitch. You really think the Pedro signing is a better signing than the durable Barry Zito?? And not to mention the fact that Omar Vizquel has always been an excellent signing. I know you're upset after a disastrous loss, but keep some perspective!!
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves: 289 Armando says: "we're going to Shea Stadium?? Those fans love me! I did my job for many years over there!!"

by rxmeister on May 29, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Man...
No, no perspective...I've lost my mind with anger and all I can do is think of that dancing 'Mando, which is making me laugh...and I don't want to freaking laugh.  

I'm comparing the two for crying out loud, injuries and all.  Wondered about Delgado, but I was writing off the top of my head.  I like Zito, I really do, but financially (?), I'd have to say that I'd consider a fragile Pedro to a long term Zito.  Remember Pedro is hurt now, we don't know what would have happened had he come to SF.  Hell, think of Zito on our finances over the upcoming years when he's our third best pitcher.  I also "like" Omar, but signing him, Alou, and Matheny were not smart moves in my mind.  And, that's not me saying that now, I said that then too.  (Stupidly, I thought that 'Mando was okay relative to the others...silly me.)  Yes, Omar's been good (well, until this year), but compared to other SS around the league? I think that we could have done better.

by Kent on May 29, 2007 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Man...
If I was a betting man, I would bet that Pedro has the more productive contract than Zito.

Pedro: 4 years $13 million/per.
Zito:  7 years $18 million/per.

Pedro 1st year: 148 ERA+, 217 IP
Pedro 2nd year:  96 ERA+, 133 IP
Pedro 3rd year: injured

Barry 1st year: 88 ERA+, 198 IP (projected)

Pedro is a world class pitcher, who pitched like it in 2005.  He will be a better pitcher than Barry when he returns.  The scary part of Barry's contract is that it looks we have signed Kirk Rueter, circa 2000, to the largest pitcher's contract in history.

The Mets paid a steep price for Delgado, good prospects, plus inheriting a $16 mil/per contract for three years.  But he's a better full time hitter than the Giants have acquired since 1998 (Ellis Burks).

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on May 30, 2007 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Armando,

Fuck you very much!

- Giants Fans -

Vote for Pedro...to be DFA'd!

by W8ingForATitle on May 29, 2007 9:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Dispatch from Shea:

Lowlight of the (very long) night was def listening to Mets fan yell "We want Mando!" for three innings.

At least I got a few very sincere and empathetic "Don't worry, we know how you feel"s on the (very long) way out...

by MrsKevKev on May 29, 2007 9:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Thanks- the "You Take Steroids" chant was well-articulated, but I couldn't quite tell what the other one was.  I think they knew what they were asking about.

BB

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on May 30, 2007 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I was at the game, and when Reyes trotted home to tie the game, I had to suffer the humiliation of being taunted by a seven year old.  Perhaps worst of all was that I felt no real despair at the loss; this situation has gotten so bad that I fully expected Benitez to at least blow the save, if not the game.  I admit that he was far more creative than I could've anticipated in terms of HOW he pulled it off, but the end result was hardly a shock.  

To those who think Benitez will still be here because Mando won't fetch anything in return, I refer you to the legal precedent of The People v. Livan Hernandez.  Fatass 1.0 and Edwardz Guzman for a then unheard-of Jim Brower (Hermanson wasn't in this deal too, was he?), in the wake of Livo's Game 7 bedcrapping.  We might trade Benitez for a metallic brown Chevy Nova, but we'll deal him.  And the sooner, the better.

Now, if I relate one bright spot from tonight's evening at Shea (other than Timmy blowing 99-mph gas past Beltran):  I was headed towards the 7 train in my Giants hat and shirt (my Jason Schmidt jersey is suddenly so passe) and one Mets fan (the only one of the whole night--props to them) started getting up in my face.  "Ha ha, you just got Metsercised!  You got Delgadoed!"  

So I asked him: "How long have you been a Mets fan?"

"Ten years."

"So you know what this is like."

Pause.  Then, some fraternal pats of solidarity on my back, an almost tearful "I'm sorry, man--I'm sorry."  And then silence.

I'll be back at the yard tomorrow.

by candymanhackman on May 29, 2007 9:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Not sure what everyone is complaining about. The depths that this man will go to "do his job" are really spectacular. Blowing a save like a normal schmuck? No, not Mando. He's an artiste.. simple walks and doubles off of hanging sliders is for common losers and head cases... seriously, who thought that he'd do it by balking twice? It's pure GENIUS! Welcome to the theater of the absurd.
Travis

by tbryant80 on May 29, 2007 9:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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What are the odds of a MLB pitcher balking twice in one inning? I don't remember seeing it before.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

by Rude thoughtless little pig on May 29, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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About 1 in 22,000.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on May 29, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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not even that, i mean the guy is a reliever!

A CLOSER!

he's not supposed to wilt and have those little tics so goddamn easily.

In Soviet Russia, save blows Benitez!

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on May 29, 2007 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Derek Lowe did it last year I believe.
Giants Adoptee: Barry Zito. Corrupting minors one Hollywood starlet at a time.

by giantscatcher on May 29, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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OMG! Lowe was a Dodger last year and they went to the playoffs. Now Benitez does it tonight.

Coincidence?

The bright side: Brian Sabean should be out of a job in a few months.

by Punch Rockgroin on May 29, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of things from the Gate:
Whoops: Anyway.

"Only twice in the entire season last year did a pitcher balk twice in an inning, with Orlando Hernandez and Runelvys Hernandez the offenders, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Davidson worked the Hernandez game."
...

More detail please!

---

Second: Mando actually straight-up said, "I lost the game."

I DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW. He didn't try to pass it off on anyone else!

My Adopted San Francisco Giant: Notgardo Alfonzo

by tk on May 29, 2007 9:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: A couple of things from the Gate:
Just goes to show that even Mando can't figure out a way to blame a walk, two balks, and a home run on his fielders.

If he could figure one out, you know he'd have used it...

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: A couple of things from the Gate:
What, has he already forgotten how to BLAME THE OFFENSE?

by achiappanza on May 30, 2007 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I was at the game too, and that was the worst one ever for me. I have seen many a Giant loss at Shea, (we always play like crap here) and up until now my worst memory was being there consecutive nights and having Jose Mesa walk in the winning run in both of them. Tonight takes the cake though, because of the great hatred the Mets' fans have for Armando. I never saw so many Met fans THAT happy, and they have never rubbed it in my face as much as they did tonight. You know what bugs me the most about Armando?? He never just gives you a quick loss when he blows it. He always gives you that moment when you think he's going to escape and save the game, and the second you think that, he takes it away and crushes your heart. I was sure he was going to blow it the second I saw him coming into the game, and nothing changed my mind until he got Beltran without the runner scoring from third. Then for one second, I actually thought he would survive and then comes the second balk of the inning. And believe me when I tell you that everyone knew that Delgado would then win the game. Just a gut wrenching loss. Fuck you, Armando, I adopted you, and now I set you free.
Armando Benitez countdown to 300 saves: 289 Armando says: "we're going to Shea Stadium?? Those fans love me! I did my job for many years over there!!"

by rxmeister on May 29, 2007 9:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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What's really sad right now is the guy I adopted is actually helping the Giants more right now than the guy you adopted.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Marlin program (Todd Linden)

by antinous on May 29, 2007 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Scariest quote from Mando after the loss: "I lose the game, I come back tomorrow. You'll see what I can do."

by ololo3 on May 30, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not on Mando, who is helpless & hopeless
It's not even on Bochy for using Armando -- Bochy is doing things by the book through May.

It's on Sabean.

It's on Sabean for keeping this oddity, this nonentity -- despite all the evidence -- for three gruesome seasons.

by Moggeee on May 29, 2007 9:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: It's not on Mando
The whole thing is pretty weird if you think about it. Mando is an adult and he should know when he's literally unable to uh, do his job satisfactorily anymore. Sabean shouldn't have to decide like Mando is 4. I don't know about the rules about this sort of thing but can't he resign? It's not as though he's being forced out there at gunpoint. On the other hand, someone posted here recently that even a good reliever will only convert 80 percent of saves. Mando's at 75 percent right now. So it's not like it's the numbers that kill him. So maybe saying he can't do his job is the wrong statement. I mean, we lived with Matt Herges and while people were calling for him to get canned it wasn't like THIS. I'm so pissed about this Mando situation right now that I'm trying to think rationally about it and nothing's coming out!
My Adopted San Francisco Giant: Notgardo Alfonzo

by tk on May 29, 2007 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: It's not on Mando
someone posted here recently that even a good reliever will only convert 80 percent of saves. Mando's at 75 percent right now.

I believe the oft-cited benchmark for an average closer is that he'll save 80% of his opportunities, because once a guy is deemed fit to be an MLB pitcher, he almost always has enough talent to get three outs without giving up a run at that rate. Below 80%, and we're talking about either bad luck or poor skill.

David Arnott
Sportszilla -- Kickass Sports Writing
Adopted EME

by David Arnott on May 30, 2007 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh by the way, folks:
We're in last place, too.

Rox won their 7th in a row and are a percentage point ahead of us in the standings.

Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on May 29, 2007 10:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Once again....Can someone start searching the mobile home parks for Rod Beck. We need to bring him back. I will pay his salary if needed.
Jack Mustachner

by The Thrill on May 29, 2007 10:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I bet if we make a trail of Old Milwaukee cans leading towards AT&T, he would eventually appear!

by xanthan on May 29, 2007 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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How about we just transplant Robb Nen's heart into Benitez??
Armando says: "rxmeister has sent me back to the orphanage. Any other suckers??"

by rxmeister on May 29, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Armando would still have his brain though.
We won the Football League again, this time on Merseyside.

by Tajiri on May 29, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'll kick in on that. First twelve-pack is on me.
Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 30, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man...
that form is hilarious.  My hearts go out to you on that tough loss.
vr, Xei
People often make fun of or bash the things in life they don't understand.

by Xeifrank on May 29, 2007 10:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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well played grant, well played
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on May 29, 2007 10:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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The only other pitcher I can think of who committed two balks in the bottom of the inning to blow a lead: Charlie Brown. That sums up Armando Benitez right there.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on May 29, 2007 10:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Armando Benitez...YOU BLOCKHEAD!!!
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 29, 2007 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Hey...speaking of Charlie Brown.  I went to the Schulz Museum and bought a book with all of the Charlie Brown baseball related strips from the beginning to the very end, in chronological order even...the thing rocks, let me tell you.
Omar Vizquel wants Shepard out. NUFC would be better for it!

by PacBellBoozer on May 30, 2007 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Feel free to post this photo far and wide...

by mdoeff on May 29, 2007 11:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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What's this Brown character making this year? I think he might be the Armando alternative we've been looking for.
Southern California: Water thieves and Dodgers fans.

by jasomack on May 29, 2007 11:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Wow, I had a feeling I wouldn't regret skipping the game tonight and it looks like I was right.

Benitez is an assclown and he needs to go. I don't care if it's irrational, I don't care if we get anything for him, I just want him gone.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on May 30, 2007 12:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I've argued for a long time that Mando hasn't been dominant since at least 2003, so Mando himself doesn't bother me that much because he is what he is. I'm bothered by the notion that Brian Sabean et al made a chain of moves, notable among them the Hindenburg-Accardo trade, that ended in the FO convincing themselves Mando couldn't be jettisoned. Go ahead: because we think we have a chance at the playoffs, trade the guy who'd have the inside track at the Relief Ace role should we dump Benitez... but for F---'S SAKE DON'T TRADE HIM FOR A GUY WHO ISN'T ANY BETTER THAN THE GUYS WE ALREADY HAVE ON HAND!

I don't doubt Mando's trying his best right now, but the simple fact is that this sort of thing, while horrific and bizarre with the two balks, was bound to happen and will happen again, only it'll be through more conventional means, like home runs and assorted extra base hits, simply because Mando's not a good pitcher anymore; he's been an average reliever who used to be excellent. It's up to the FO to realize that they can dump Mando, plug in one of a couple other candidates and get the same or better production with the same cost, only with a roster spot opened up to give MLB experience to someone who could benefit from it.

If you're anti-nuts-kicking, you should understand where I'm coming from.

David Arnott
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by David Arnott on May 30, 2007 12:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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The problem with that is, again, Sabean's amazingly stubborn insistence that a closer must be "proven."

I don't think I've ever seen a GM that's less willing to let his team try the candidates it already has on hand to find a closer the old-fashioned (well, as old-fashioned as the whole idea of needing one pitcher to finish the game) way.  It pains me to think of how much better off this team would be had we spent the money we're wasting on Armando on a player that helps the team win all 9 innings (AKA - a solid offensive player) instead of a pitcher who, every once in a while, finishes off a victory.

by ololo3 on May 30, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Benitez is in his last year, they have nothing to loose by releasing him besides a couple mill.

I say give Russ a shot. He nibbles, but his cutter is filthy in relief.

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by trecole696 on May 30, 2007 2:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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oh god I really hate armando benitez. like a lot.
2002? I'm over it. But I'll never be over Rich Aurilia.

by wjackalope on May 30, 2007 7:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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A logical person would conclude that this is the end. Mando's done. Given what he's done the team could flounder just fine with anyone else in that role.

I give the Giants powers that be credit for making swift decisions this season; Niekro being DFA'd, then getting rid of Linden. However, Linden was canned for much less than what Mando is getting away with. Mando's margin for error is non-existent based on his performance but it's a lot easier to jettison the guy making a little more than league minimum.

Through all this I said that the Giants could either keep Mando at closer and blow it, or go without a closer and be in a position to blow it. I'm pretty much finished with that view. If we're going to lose miserably I don't want Mando to be the crux of it any more. Give me someone new to watch in horror.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on May 30, 2007 8:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep on balkin' in the free world
I just read in the paper that "Bochy reiterated he has no plans to replace his closer."
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by tk on May 30, 2007 8:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Keep on balkin' in the free world
Maybe he's talking about Correia or Hennessy. Please. I hope.
The bright side: Brian Sabean should be out of a job in a few months.

by Punch Rockgroin on May 30, 2007 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Keep on balkin' in the free world
Neil Young references warm my heart.

by mxmob33 on May 30, 2007 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Yeah only 4 hours... lets try 2 seasons. Not to mention all the medical bills I've racked up due to stress related disorders. If were billing I'll take 500x50.

Come on Giants.... is there really a need for him EVEN now?? Loyalty is done lets move on.

And Sabean ... Pa-lease just quite.

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by GiantsLover on May 30, 2007 8:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Watching the game on Extra Innings, we got the NY broadcast.  They cut to Bengie Molina in the dugout after the game (don't know if y'all saw this on the sf broadcast), and the poor guy looked as if he just lost Game 7 of the world series.  Head in his lap, lost look on his face, it was truly sad to see.  The entire team played completely balls out to get this win.  Two falking balks?  It's unacceptable.  Also depressing?  That the giants don't have the balls to release armando out right.  Look at the dbacks and the financial hit they took for releasing Ortiz.  That's what you call "having stones."  Sabean needs to grow a pair.

by GameSix on May 30, 2007 9:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I hate Armando Benitez with the white hot intensity of a thousand imploding suns.

Ironically, Armando Benitez is roughly the size of what the astronomers call a "gas giant," and is definitely imploding.

Huh-huh..."gas giant..."

Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 30, 2007 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I think he's already imploded.  Armando Benitez is definitely a black hole.

by ololo3 on May 30, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I hate Osama Bin Laden more than I hate Armando Benitez.

But it's getting closer than it should be.
Kind of like an inning where Armando pitches.

Tim Lincecum is the light and truth, and I will enjoy becoming pure energy when he determines it is time to ascend.

by HughG16 on May 30, 2007 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Pfft, Bin Laden.  What's he done for us lately?  

by ololo3 on May 30, 2007 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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first, as a mets fan, allow me to offer my deepest condolences.  i, too, know the heart-rending pain of armando benitez having any association whatever with my team.  all i can tell you is that it's going to be okay; someday, he'll be on someone else's team and you'll be enjoying walkoff victories against them.

beyond that, i just wanted to say that, having found this blog through the interview with grant posted on metsblog, i found the posts and comments to be very witty and entertaining.  keep up the good writing and good luck with the rest of your season.  other than the next two games, that is.

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by help a rascal on May 30, 2007 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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Thanks for the kind words, but sadly I don't think so. The Giants signed Mando as a 32-year-old coming off an all-star season. Next year he'll be a 35-year-old coming off three rotten years and with a clubhouse rep that's positively radioactive. No GM out there is a big enough sucker to trust him as his team's closer. Other than the one that's already stuck with him, that is.
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 30, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I'm guessing I'm the only person here that literally puked my guts out a few minutes after Benitez' lovely performance last night?  

Sure, you can say it was because of the bottle of vodka that I'd finished off during the course of the game, but I know in my heart that Benitez was much more responsible.

On a side note, I'd really like to see a statistical breakdown of Benitez' save percentage (at least for the last couple years) in games he enters with a one run lead, games he enters with a two run lead, and games he enters with a three run lead.

Obviously, a stat that would be similar for all closers, but I'd bet that it's REALLY lopsided for Armando.

He reminds me a bit of Robb Nen in his prime: he enters the game, and you feel like you don't even need to bother watching the ninth inning, because the outcome is already determined.  Of course, with Nen, that outcome was a 1-2-3 inning.  With Mando, it's walking the leadoff hitter, then finding a creative way to blow the save.

by ololo3 on May 30, 2007 10:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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I seem to remember Nen putting a lot of potential tying runs on base. Enough that I used to joke that Nen couldn't even concentrate unless he had that tying run aboard.

The big difference, of course, is that Nen did concentrate, buckle down, and (almost always) get the save. Whereas Mando seems to be just the opposite - once that run gets on base, he checks out, as if the game is already lost.

Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 30, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All on Sabean and Bochy
Those who comment mostly on Sabean (and I would say, Bochy) are right on. Everybody on the planet, including Benitez, knows what the hell Benitez is. I'm tired of blaming him; he just does what he does and destroys heroic efforts by actual baseball players. The blame falls on those who think he belongs on a major league roster or on a major league mound.

by kg on May 30, 2007 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Armando Benitez is a motherbalker.
Proud adoptive father of the All-Father and his 1.99 ERA

by EliminateMe on May 30, 2007 11:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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