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Bochy gets it!

by English Professor on Apr 25, 2007 1:17 AM PDT

According to Henry Schulman of the Chronicle, Bruce Bochy has seen the light -- Pedro Feliz is not good:

"Feliz's role: Manager Bruce Bochy did not start Pedro Feliz on Tuesday night, going instead with Ryan Klesko at first base and Rich Aurilia at third, and hinted that the struggling Feliz will lose some playing time that will go to Klesko.

"The players always dictate that," said Bochy, who discussed the situation with Feliz. "Ryan has had some good games and deserves more playing time. At some point, I'll have to rest some of the other guys, too. Petey's a guy who's flexible. I can move him to other positions. As we get deeper into this streak (of 20 games in 20 days), we'll move some other guys around."

In other words, Feliz could become more of a utility player, perhaps starting at first base when Ray Durham needs a day off and Aurilia moves to second."

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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/04/25/GIANTSNOTES.TMP

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Re: Bochy gets it!

Encouraging...very encouraging. Way to go, Skip!

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 1:18 AM PDT reply actions

News Item: Cart nearly precedes Horse

I'm atudying the time stamps. Any faster, Booze, and your post would be on the thread before the Diary.

We'll call that an enthusiastic affirmation.

by Moggeee on Apr 25, 2007 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: News Item: Cart nearly precedes Horse

Hahahaha...I swear to god...it's like I've got a second sense that someone is putting down, or fluffing up either Mando or Feliz.

A bat signal is projected into the sky, and I come a running.

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: News Item: Cart nearly precedes Horse

Wait a damn minute here...there's no way that's possible, even if I'm the one doing it. The clocks are screwy or something here.

9 seconds to read all of that and post a response. I mean, I know I'm a minute man, but that's some wicked premature posting.

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: News Item: Cart nearly precedes Horse

as in CHS Minuteman?

by bisquik on Apr 25, 2007 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

The Dodgers start a lefty tomorrow and you can bet Pedro will be in the lineup and Klesko will not. But, against righties this is the right move.

by giantsrainman on Apr 25, 2007 1:38 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

So it seems that the Riddler has decided to throw a light in the sky as well. Look who's hustling over to stand up for Feliz!!

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

A ballpoint Banana!

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions

Riddle Me This

Why do we keep Fiddling with Feliz?

Yes, why are still Diddling with Peter?

by Moggeee on Apr 25, 2007 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Riddle Me This

Penis innuendo and bat up the butt-crack jokes about Pedro all in one night... Moggeee is definitely channeling his middle school self today. But considering Feliz's own monumental regression this season, it seems oddly appropriate.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Wow... it's weird having a manager who (still) understands the game. The Giants haven't had one of those since before I became a follower...

Remember that old guy who would pick names out of a hat to make his lineup and would intentionally bone every third game, even though we were losing every other second game (assuming a three game cycle on all of this).

That was fun...

This is way more fun.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 1:40 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I know exactly what you're talking about. I was having a discussion with jackclark this last weekend, and I don't ever remember Flipper pulling a double switch, and Boch seems to pull this move almost nightly when relieving BB and going to the pen.

I know it's a small thing, but it's f'ing genius in that it keeps us from having to pinch hit for a relief pitcher unless a rally is on.

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

If memory serves, he pulled one in the fourth one time.

This is where our memories diverge, though, because I remember the double switch being a go to move for Felipe. It's just, he always used it either too early or in a way that failed to prevent the pinch hitter - which would subsequently call out a new opposing pitcher, at which point felipe would deem it necessary to replace the pinch hitter, who was then ineligible for the rest of the game.

Ugh... I agreed with so little of Alou's "strategy," but the disgusting thing was that I couldn't even write it off as him knowing something I don't because they were such painfully bad decisions that an idiot could have explained the wrong to him, and the really disgusting thing was that they were bad decisions that were so predictable other managers used them against us! I can't count how many times felipe got absolutely played into wasting a pinch hitter that way, or similarly wasting a reliever in the opposite situation.

I've disagreed with very few things that Bochy has done. Having Randy Winn try to steal might be the only one.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

All three times Randy was thrown out stealing were hit and runs in which the batter failed to make contract and in one case just flat out missed the sign and did not even swing.

by giantsrainman on Apr 25, 2007 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Well there you have it. I have disagreed with nothing that Bruce Bochy has done.

And the person who says that a manager's influence on the game is negligible can officially take a sausage dive. I can absolutely see why Bochy had so much success in crappy San Diego.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Be true to your dump

I will not stand for San Diego-bashing!

I'll pull up a chair, though.

(Okay, I'm comfortable. Fire away.)

by Moggeee on Apr 25, 2007 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Be true to your dump

Well, I was referring specifically to the team, but if you insist: the highways there are in disgustingly bad shape.

And WHY exactly do we have to pay 4 bucks on bridge toll when there are still highway tolls in SoCal as low as $0.50? If the money is going to the whole state, let's get some better contributions from everybody, alright.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

You haven't disagreed with the two times he's sent Notgardo up to "start" a rally in the 8th/9th?

by sfgfan on Apr 25, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Let's just say that it still made more sense than what I'm used to watching.

Coming to you by proxy (I adopted: Dave Righetti!)

by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2007 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Yeah, I'll go with that.

by sfgfan on Apr 25, 2007 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Edgardo Alfonzo has ended many more rallies than he has started. :)

by sharksrog on Apr 25, 2007 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I would have to think that another Bochy highlight thus far would be his work on the side with Pedro. Granted he's still hacking at slop, but at least the skipper is taking a hands on approach with it. Not only that, but it's a bit self serving...If Pedro can concentrate and hit the ball behind the runners, all is good. If he doesn't, then Boch can storm up to Rags office and say that he gave it a go and Pete is hopeless.

Proud adoptive papa of the one, the only, Omar Vizquel.

by PacBellBoozer on Apr 25, 2007 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions

He stinks

I say ship him out of town to a place where we can still visit him, and pet him.

by Moggeee on Apr 25, 2007 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: He stinks

Pedro will be just fine platooning against lefties and being the super utility guy against righties. His power and defense are still very useful in these roles.

by giantsrainman on Apr 25, 2007 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: He stinks

Rainman, I hope you're right. I poke fun, but I pull for quiet, hard-working, well-meaning Pedro.

by Moggeee on Apr 25, 2007 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: He stinks

In spite of Fleas being the target of my ire, it is that management misuses his abilities. You have described the best place and manner for him to succeed. I think that he will actually be more mentally comfortable in that role, and has a chance to contribute as opposed to his current perceived role of detractor.

Thats the long version of "Me too."

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 25, 2007 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Someone get Torii Hunter on the phone. I heard he likes to give away champagne and this definitely calls for a bottle of Dom.

Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist. Not boring: Emmanuel Burriss. Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Apr 25, 2007 6:26 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

You know, things are pretty bad when we are congratulating management for recognizing the obvious. :)

by sharksrog on Apr 25, 2007 6:46 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Congratulating them for benching a guy, three months after they signed the guy for $5 million. Our standards are wonderfully low.

Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz

by lyricalkiller on Apr 25, 2007 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

It's great to see that the collective opinion of the board is coming around to the Bochman. I think he did a great job of remaining calm, but keeping the team focused during the rough start.

When he was hired, a lot of the emotions ranged from indifference to disgust: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/story/2006/10/27/3327/0823

I'm proud of the stance I took six months ago and the Bonds/Bochy relationship appears to be sound as I predicted. Yay me:

"I like the hire and went on record as saying he was my choice among the candidates. His experience with the Padres includes managing both contenders and rebuilders and he's always been a guy who's good with the media and fans but doesn't seek the spotlight for himself.

I'm looking forward to having a manager that the team actually likes again. There's something to be said for Dusty's approach of having a team willing to play hard for their manager.

Bochy seems to be one of the "good guys" in the game, but certainly isn't a pansy.

For those that insist Barry come back, this is probably a nudge in that direction as Bochy is the only guy among the candidates who I could imagine Bonds even having the slightest bit of respect for.

His teams almost always exceed pre-season predictions and the Giants made a good hire.

So there."

The force is strong in Ryan Klesko. We'll rule the galaxy as father and son. 296/345/407 as of 4/24/07

by Goofus on Apr 25, 2007 7:55 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

18 Games in April. Hope you have back peddling Nike's available just in case. He's playing with fire with Blowmeatiz. Come back and talk to me in September. To this point of the season he reminds of the old race horse: "Okay So Far". And right now, I am pretty happy. I like being happy. So far, its okay. I'll take 10-8 vs. 8-10 (or its extrapolation) which is where we always seemed to be for the prior 2 seasons.

One thing that was really discouraging in the past, was the inability to put together winning streaks. Seemed it was always 3 out of 4 instead of 4 in a row on those occasions when they played well. Do that 6 times over the course of a season and its 78W/84L instead of 84/78 which was good enough to win a World Series.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 25, 2007 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

The point being of course (smacks self in forehead) that Buckethead has the boys on a 6 game roll, with the best save effort by Blowmeatiz of the year, in terms of outcome impact.

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 25, 2007 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Yeah, it drove me nuts that Flippy, after the Giants would take the first two in a series would sit most of the regulars for the third one. There was no "go for the kill" in the past couple of years.

by sfgfan on Apr 25, 2007 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I think it's a little uncool to make fun of the dearly departed.

Wait...what? He's not dead? Well, never mind then.

It's never too early to panic.

by leewhee on Apr 25, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

"OK so far" is definitely a backpedal from your original take on things! :-)

Personally, I don't think I'll have to backpedal. Just as I can't attribute the great starting to Bochy, I have a really tough time seeing Bochy being the cause of problems the time might have.

I'll just continue to go by what the players say and I've heard nothing but praise.

I agree that using Mando is playing with fire, but don't think he's got a lot of options. Taschner and maybe Hennesey are the only other two bullpen guys who've exceeded my pre-season expectations.

My only quibble so far has been there have been some oportunities to use Niekro more effectively; against LHP, for example.

The force is strong in Ryan Klesko. We'll rule the galaxy as father and son. 296/345/407 as of 4/24/07

by Goofus on Apr 25, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I never backpedal. I generally turn with the crack of the bat and haul ass. We can talk more come September when the rubber "meats" the road. In the meantime: "Here's to hopin you don't have to backpeddle" :)

Save Matt Morris. Save The Pitchers. Save The World.

by E Ticket on Apr 25, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

The part I like best is: "The players always dictate that." In other words: you want playing time? Show me you deserve it.

For contrast, recall Felipe's words when Benitez was stinking up the park last year: "Why should we try to find somebody? It's not going to work. We tried everybody last year."

"Yep, I'm a Dodger hater" - Kevin Frandsen

by EliminateMe on Apr 25, 2007 10:29 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

"In other words, Feliz could become more of a utility player, perhaps starting at first base when Ray Durham needs a day off and Aurilia moves to second."

Surprised that I'm the first to point this out, but who plays 3B in that scenario? I like Shulman, but I'm always amazed that mistakes like that mistakes like that make it into print.

by eastender on Apr 25, 2007 11:21 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Yeah, I did notice that, but didn't want to ruin an otherwise positive sentiment. Obviously, it would be Klesko (or Niekro or even Sweeney) who would play 1B while Feliz played 3B. And the same scenario would apply when Vizquel needs a day, and Aurilia plays SS. The main point is, Feliz may now finally be put in the one role he deserves -- super utility guy, who only starts vs. LHP, due to injury, or because multiple players have a day off.

by English Professor on Apr 25, 2007 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Of course, it is a little anti-climactic that the day after this proclamation was made the team faces a LHP, and Feliz will almost undoubtedly start. But I'm not going to let a little thing like Feliz starting ruin the fact that Feliz won't be starting so much anymore.

by English Professor on Apr 25, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I thought there was something strange about that, but it didn't quite register...of course, a backup first baseman is just about the last thing this team needs!

"Yep, I'm a Dodger hater" - Kevin Frandsen

by EliminateMe on Apr 25, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

I was pretty shocked by Henry's gaffe, as well.

by sharksrog on Apr 25, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

"... but I'm always amazed that mistakes like that mistakes like that make it into print."

I have to know whether this was intentional. Either way, it's making me it's making me chuckle.

(I actually noticed it orignially and was going to jump all over the poster's throat before I realized that was part of the Chron quote.)

The force is strong in Ryan Klesko. We'll rule the galaxy as father and son. 296/345/407 as of 4/24/07

by Goofus on Apr 25, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Feliz has not earned his playing time

Aurilia and Klesko have earned their playing time while Feliz has not. Would not be surprised to see Bochy play the "hot hand" all season long. This humbling experience could be good for both the Giants and Feliz - for the umpteenth time driving home the point of pitch selection and hitting the ball the other way. Somewhere along the season Feliz will return and contribute to this team.

by wilriv21 on Apr 25, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions

All this love for my boy

Is making me kinda gooey. <sniff>

Bruce Bochy gets his big head from me.

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Apr 25, 2007 11:57 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

"Petey's a guy who's flexible. I can move him to other positions."

Perhaps this is some insight as to how he was ever able to get a starting job in the first place...

Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Apr 25, 2007 12:25 PM PDT reply actions

Gadzooks!

by mxmob33 on Apr 25, 2007 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Pedro is a very fine defensive third baseman, and he has shown that he can play first base well and even the corner outfield positions or shortstop. But he costs more net outs at the plate than he garners in the field.

by sharksrog on Apr 25, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Pedro was a very fine defensive 3B. This year he has been a good demonstration that it is indeed possible to have fielding slumps.

All those Giants fans down in Giants land love that Crazy Crab!

by BlackDougal on Apr 25, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Bochy gets it!

Pedro is off to a slow start afield this year -- and he ended in a bit of a defensive slump last season. But there aren't many third basemen I would rather have in the field -- just lots that I would rather have at the plate.

by sharksrog on Apr 25, 2007 5:58 PM PDT reply actions

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