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WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez for Matsui

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John Heyman is saying that Sanchez is the one for Matsui. Yanks might take on some salary.

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Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Ugh!!!

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

by Scottsdale on Dec 6, 2007 1:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Umm, the plus side is it would help ensure we don't do the Rios deal.

Matsui is a productive hitter, but I don't really know about a 33 year old with his contract.

Also, doesn't he have a no-trade clause?

Marketing wise and Japanese TV revenue wise I guess he'd pay for himself.

I really don't buy it though, doesn't seem like a fit for either team

Frandsen for 3B (til July 08)

by NeifiChicken on Dec 6, 2007 1:55 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
It does fit for the yankees. They're trying to free up an OF spot for Damon and a DH spot for Giambi. The move sounds Magaowanish on our part though

by sup3rk1ng on Dec 6, 2007 2:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I'm cool with that if that's the case.  Even at 34 he is a real productive guy.  He may only be a 15 - 20 homer guy in our park but he'll drive 100 when healthy.  At worst, we could sell him off for prospects at the deadline when we're 20 games out.
Brian Sabean, Kicking tires and taking names...

by Angry Monkey on Dec 6, 2007 1:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Update
Shelley Duncan might be involved if the Giants do Lincecum. I am not sure if Duncan will be added if the Giants add Lincecum or if he will be add in the Sanchez for Matsui deal.
Angel Joseph is just that a guardian angel.

by gianator on Dec 6, 2007 1:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Update
This is a joke, right?

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Update
Are you insane?  Put the paint can and plastic bag down.

by out machine on Dec 6, 2007 2:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Update
Duncan? he's older than Rios.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 6, 2007 4:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Get Betemit while you're at it.
Adopted Giant Brian Wilson: Welcome Back!

by sfgreg on Dec 6, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Yeah, this deal only makes sense if we get Matsui and Betemit for Sanchez.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 6, 2007 5:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Aw man, this will help the Giants' offense, but I'll miss Sanchez.  He's been my sleeper pick to rule the world since he was in the minors.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Sanchez is one of the names? Do we know the others? Is it wrong to think this might actually get done if the Giants include say, Lowry, and some other minor league names not named Bowker? Is it wrong to actually be okay with that?
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 2:01 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
How good is Shelley Duncan? I heard a little about him being Chris Duncan's brother and he is a little pop, but can you elaborate about him.
Angel Joseph is just that a guardian angel.

by gianator on Dec 6, 2007 2:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
He was a career minor leaguer before this year, when he made his major league debut at the age of 27 and hit .257/.329/.554. His career minor league OPS is .805.

I seriously hope the thing about Lincecum was a joke, because ... no. Just no.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
jponry said it best. Duncan is grossly overvalued in this scenario. I just like the idea of getting something worth a damn for Sanchez+others, as long as the others aren't like Timmy II or the Mad Bum.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 2:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I err...
don't really understand this move.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
This better not happen. Oh, man, had this better not happen. Sanchez > Lowry and Matsui is basically worthless to us.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
How is Matsui worthless?
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Because he won't be on the next good Giants team. Unless anybody really cares whether we lose 95 or 92 games.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Ok, so we're clear, no matter how good a player is, if he can't be on the next good Giants team (whenever that is...2012 anyone?) he isn't worth anything at all in any way to this franchise?  I don't think there's a contract long enough (besides maybe Zito's) that would guarantee a player be on this team when it's good again.  I'm kinda scared we're gonna set records next year.  Forget contending, I just dont want to be historically awful.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I'd rather be historically awful next year then mortgage some of the future to be merely awful. That's a terrible approach.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
It's only terrible if you put much stock in Sanchez.  I guess you think much more highly of him than I do.  Let's hope he proves me wrong.  I'll drink to that.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
The Giants spending $26 million Matsui over the next couple of years instead of $26 million on draft picks and Jonathon Sanchez is ridiculous.

Plus, if you see my sig, I have other reasons to be unhappy.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Dec 6, 2007 2:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there were monies back..
Which I think there could be, then perhaps it's only in the 7-8 range per year.  Unless we're sending someone else back (Roberts) and paying the full salary.

Either would be fine for me.  I've always heard the minor league budget comes from elsewheres as the major league payroll.

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: If there were monies back..
oooh, i like the idea of a Roberts+Sanchez/Lowry for the Matsui package.  I'd judge an actual trade on more specifics than that, but in concept, a speedy OF for slugger OF I can get behind.

by kennv on Dec 7, 2007 7:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Regardless if that $26M or not, the Giants haven't been shy about signing draft picks.  They've signed most of their most recent draft picks at slot money if not slightly more.  You can only sign as many draft picks as you actually have?

Unless you're saying spend that $26M in scouting?

by sfgfan on Dec 6, 2007 3:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Or go above slot, a la Porcello, or a hundred other examples. Sign 1st round talents that fall for signability reasons
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Dec 6, 2007 3:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
With money flowing the way it is now-a-days, is it even a common thing for draftees that fall because of sign-ability questions?  Even if they did that, where would the other $20M go?  There just isn't a way for any MLB team to spend $26M on a draft.

by sfgfan on Dec 6, 2007 3:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's ironic that Porcello
and the Tigers' come up in this discussion.

The Tigers didn't rebuild the "correct" way. They signed players, Pudge Rodriguez and Magglio, who "wouldn't be on the next good Tigers team".

by rfloh on Dec 6, 2007 10:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
People worry about historically worse but that's actually good because then we get a great draft pick instead of a middling one.
"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 6, 2007 5:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because...
the Giants have an ice cube's chance in hell of competing next year.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes,,,
let's completely sacrifice the next 10 years to increase our chance from .00005 to 5%.  Brilliant!
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: yes,,,
Too true, too true.  Also, this would be selling fairly low on Sanchez.  A year or two from now, I would expect Sanchez's stock to be much higher, after he's firmly established as a starting pitcher.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Be patient
Let's see the details before dismissing out of hand. Right now names and rumors are flying.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: yes,,,
talk about hyperbole...trading a pitcher who has struggled just to prove he's not a releiver is completely sacrificing the next 10 years?  Wow.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you completely missed my...
point, dude.  I was not specifically talking about Sanchez.

There are literally NO realistic moves the Giants can make to get into the playoffs, let alone the world series.  Do you really think the Giants stand any chance against Detroit, Boston, NY or Cleveland.  
Our chances our minuscule no matter what we do.  Trading young players does not make sense but losing Sanchez has no long term repercussions for the team

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you completely missed my...
That's debatable. I think Sanchez has a chance to be an above average starting or relief pitcher.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude, I certainly did
completely miss your point if you intended to imply all that by your original post.

I don't think the Giants can compete with those American League teams (and luckily we don't have to, but that's besides the point I guess).  We have to compete with the NL West to try and get into the crap-shoot playoffs.  Even so, we'd be lucky to get out of the cellar in 2007, I'll admit.  Again, it boils down to how much value you put in Sanchez.  I'm not as high on him as most people are I guess...my bad.  I hope I'm wrong.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so...
even if we "will be lucky to get out of the cellar" in 08, your happy to pick up a 33 YO bad defensive outfielder who has declined at the plate for each of the past 3 seasons.

In a vacuum without giving up talent, that's not a great move.

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: so...
Without trying to split hairs here, Matsui has been a model of consistency for the past few years.  His numbers have gone down by tiny fractions each year.  If you felt like doing the math you'd probably find that he was five singles and a double from matching the numbers he put up in '05 -- broken wrist and all.

So in a vacuum, without giving up talent, it's not a great move.  But it certainly isn't a horrible one either.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 2:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: sparkling recommendation
You can re-read but you wont find that I ever touted the move as a sparkling one.  I simply said Matsui wouldn't be worthless.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 3:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so...
what's your point?  My argument is "it's pointless to acquire Matsui and giving up young talent for him is a mistake."

Your argument is "Matsui is not a terrible player".    No one disputes this claim.  He is pretty damn close to being an exactly average player.  

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS

please do not try and refute the last sentence.

Matsui is a good offensive player and a terrible defensive one.  Just because we struggle to quantify defense does not mean we can ignore it.

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: so...
Again, it boils down to how much value you put in Sanchez.  I'm not as high on him as most people are I guess...my bad.  I hope I'm wrong.

This was my point.  I was trying to be clear.

Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 3:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then...
what are you arguing?

That the Matsui move is not good but its OK because you don't like Sanchez?

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
Haha...yea.  There was speculation that the Yankees would pick up part of his salary and he'd help create some buzz among Japanese-American fans in the Bay Area.  I'm on board with the rebuild plan and understand Matsui's age/contract.  But he's a decent player and I'm not thrilled with Sanchez so I would argue that it's an OK move.
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 3:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
Oh God!  The blackness!  It's coming closer!
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."

by capnk on Dec 6, 2007 4:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
Just because one network (Seattle) had a sitcom megahit that depicted poor Arnold (Ichiro) and Willis living in a white man's world doesn't mean our network (the Giants) need to follow suit and make Webster starring Emmanuel Lewis (Matsui).

In other words:

Because one team had their marketing blast through the roof because of a high profile Japanese player it doesn't me we need to find a Japanese player to excite the Japanese contingency of the Bay Area.

The Japanese are by far the SMALLEST represented Asian community in the Bay Area. If they want to sell a lot of tickets to people of the Asian persuasian they need to sign someone who's last name is Chang, Wang, or Lee.

** This is an incredibly disjointed post.

by Sigualicious on Dec 7, 2007 11:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
A simple "Chinese or Korean" would have sufficed rather than going with stereotypical names.  But never mind that.

What Chinese/Korean/non-Japanese player has the draw that someone like Ichiro or Matsui have?  More importantly, which of these players are available to be signed or traded for right now?

Just because the Japanese population in the Bay Area is the smallest "Asian" community in the Bay Area, it does not mean there isn't a positive marketing potential there.  I'd be willing to say there is a SIGNIFICANT positive marketing opportunity there.

by sfgfan on Dec 7, 2007 12:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
The example still stands.

If you're looking to have a marketable player BECAUSE of their ethnicity, why wouldn't you just go for the jugular?  We shouldn't be arguing over which Japanese player we should get to attract more fans or which Taiwanese or Korean player either.

The fact of the matter is, the bay area is home to one of the largest populations of central americans in the US yet the Giants have done virtually nothing to promote Giants games to our locals with bilingual Spanish speakers.  

So you'll forgive me that I think trading for a Japanese outfielder who is past his prime is a stupid idea if it's "marketing to a demographic" that we're after.

by Sigualicious on Dec 7, 2007 1:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
Hmm.  It seems to me the Giants have done a very good job of marketing to Central/Latin Americans.  They have a Spanish radio broadcast.  The Giants don't shy away from making a big deal out of their rich past full of Latin American players.  Are you missing some of this?

by sfgfan on Dec 7, 2007 1:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
It's kind of a mixed bag.

I listen to the Giants broadcasts in Spanish.  And the only times I hear things about the Giants on the Spanish radio stations it usually only to promote their upcoming radio broadcasts.  It's also very rare to see Giants commercials on any of the spanish television stations.  

And you're right the Giants don't shy away from making a big deal about the rich latin past but I think most of that is expressed to the english speaking audience.  And nearly all of the spanish speaking Giant heavyweights of the past have been Domincan and various other carribeans (which is kind of like trying to get us Americans excited about great Canadian baseball players).

I know that their aren't a lot of Mexican, El Salvadorian, and Guatamalen (which is what like 90% of the bay area Spanish speakers are) ballers out there these days but I think it would be nice if the Giants made a larger effort in attracting this immense population of wouldbe Giant fans.

I realize a lot of this needs to come from within the team as well.  What the Giants really need is a spanish speaking JT Snow or Rich Aurillia in their prime (talented fan favorites) and I guarantee you'll see s$#t blow up.  

by Sigualicious on Dec 7, 2007 2:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: then...
Bill "Spaceman" Lee. The water conservationist.
He says he's "H20 friendly"

Oh , that's NOT an "H"...

Well , Ang Lee. Better film to review in the clubhouse.

Or Stan Lee , the writer and Oliver Hardy's best bud.

Rockies juggernaut rolls o...ver , dead. NL West TempestTeapot CASE IN POINT!

by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2007 6:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suppose the
Tigers were dumbasses to sign Pudge and Magglio instead of "rebuilding" the correct way?

If no talent is given up, that's a GREAT move in the current market.

by rfloh on Dec 6, 2007 10:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Well, worthless towards the goal of making the Giants a contender.  He'll improve the offense, but by the time the Giants get there, Matsui will be too old or too gone.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Take on salary?
Somebody call Zito. Is this a rumor or close to being finalized. Yankees have some talent in their system.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Um, what?

No.

And if we include Lincecum, we can have Shelley Duncan? Is that a joke?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Seriously, the posts above here not thinking this is an awful deal - is that some kind of prank or am I going insane? How could anybody hear like that trade? Have bodysnatchers invaded during my hiatus?
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awful is overstating it...
Sanchez is a good but not special.  I would call it a pointless move.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
Yeah, it's not an awful trade, but pointless. I'd rather keep Sanchez, see if he can improve his trade value this year and trade him for a younger hitter next offseason.

Now, if Lincecum was included for Shelley Duncan, it would, in fact, be a horrible, awful, terrible, mind bogglingly bad deal.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
If he made this trade, he would be making it to avoid trading Lincecum, he wouldn't be expanding the deal to include him. He would have to be insane to think that Duncan and Matsui is a better haul for Lincecum than Rios straight up.
Do NOT trade Timmah!!

by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2007 7:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
I think Sanchez will have a better ERA next year than Lowry, and I do think he has a (very small) chance to be special, while Matsui does absolutely nothing for us. I don't think awful is overstating it.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but I think sometimes you have to put yourself in the place of Sabean and Magowan and look at things as they do. It's easy for us to say don't mortgage the future and lose 120 games the next couple of years, but they have tickets, merchandise and beer to sell, and there is no doubt that Hideki Matsui is very marketable in San Francisco. If I were the GM I would not make this trade, but I perfectly understand why they would do so.
Do NOT trade Timmah!!

by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2007 7:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
Exactly.  If they don't sell tix, merchandise, beer then that 90-95 million dollar payroll might start dwindling down.  Got to put some asses in those seats.

by ResDog on Dec 6, 2007 7:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
I don't think they're limited to 90-95M as it stands.  They're actually hauling in a lot more (with their own profits + revenue sharing).  That is why they could have afforded Andruw Jones (which is probably why Rios was even being considered).

by sfgfan on Dec 7, 2007 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
It's hard for me to look at things the way they do because I have the slightest idea how to run a baseball team.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 8:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: awful is overstating it...
Your point is a good one, Mark.  But this is an issue the Giants should have been addressing five years ago.

At that time the Red Sox named Theo Epstein as their GM.  Theo said immediately that the Red Sox would improve their scouting and development.  Now, a lot of the reason the Red Sox won the World Series is because other than the Yankees, they have more money to spend than any other team.  But part of it was some stellar draft picks they have made over the past five years.

Instead of building their scouting and development back when it could have made a significant difference for the 2008 season, the Giants were on the verge of intentionally giving up draft picks.

The Red Sox were visionary.  The Giants have been reactionary.  Thus Brian Sabean has dug himself such a big hole that he is actually considering "The Franchise."  Literally.

by sharksrog on Dec 7, 2007 11:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
So, are they claiming this is a done deal? Or just saying that Sanchez is the prime target?

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I'm seeing nothing else on the Net about this yet.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Like I said in another thread, the only positives that come from this trade (if it is just Matsui for Dirty Sanchez [god I'll miss that]) are the increase in revenue for the Giants thanks to the Bay Area Asian population that will now become instant Giants fan if they weren't already, and it provides a stopgap in the 3rd or 4th spot in the lineup.

However I hate that this will mean no Fred Lewis in LF, and we REALLY need to get rid of some of our OFs now.

Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:14 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
In the post it said NYY would be willing to take on some salary. Maybe Roberts, Durham, Aurilia, Winn or better yet Zito.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I was just joking when I reported this to my boss and said, "hay maybe they'll take Roberts." Dare to dream?
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zito is unmovable
He is only slightly less tradeable than expended depleted uranium shells.  

Seriously, no team would touch him.

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depleted Uranium Shells
I think we have a new nickname for The Albatross.
The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Dec 6, 2007 4:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
If the Yankees took Durham, I'd be happy.

If they took Roberts, I'd be less happy, but it would pave the way for a Lewis/Davis platoon.

This could also portend another deal, like Winn for Tejada or something.

"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
If we HAVE to sign a Japanese OF, sign Fukodome and keep Sanchez.
Who dat is? That's just Ortmeier's daddy.

by rotorueter on Dec 6, 2007 2:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
the rumor is he could be had for $12M to $15M per year

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I saw somewhere that the Cubs were trying to land Kaz Matsui, in the hope that it would encourage Fukudome to sign with them.

Fukodume's agent has also stated that he would take less $$ to play on the west coast.

If this deal lands us Fukudome + a decent Yanks prospect, I could actually be happy with it.

by Scottsdale on Dec 6, 2007 2:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
So you think the Giants are going to make this trade to lure Fukodome to the Giants?  As fun as this sounds, WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE OFS FFS!!!
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I figured out what "FFS" means, but I still enjoyed thinking you ended that sentence by just sort of hissing and spitting.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I think the price on Fukodome has become prohibitive, as he's supposedly now asking for Torii Hunter type money, and that's another reason why they have turned to Matsui.
Do NOT trade Timmah!!

by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2007 7:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Isn't there a chance Kosuke could play 3B?  I thought I read that somewhere, but maybe I'm mistaken.  

Anyway, I hope this move wouldn't take away ABs from Nate or Lewis.  Maybe Freduardo can play RF and Nate can snag 1B from Ortmeier (with Winn in center).

I'm in agreement with those who actually think this isn't so bad.  I like Sanchez and realize that outside of the big, untradeable 2 and Noah, he's clearly our best trade chip.  But that said, I think we learned from Sabean's scary interest in Rios that the Giants aren't going to be willing to enter next year with a historically bad offense-- they're too terrified that no one would show up to watch them play.  As shortsighted as this trade is, at least it's Sanchez and not Lincecain.  I can cope with the loss of the former for some short term relief from historical awfulness, but not the latter.  

In short, I think those of you arguing that this isn't the right move because Matsui (probably) won't be on the next Giants team that competes are stubbornly correct, but given what we know of the Giants' overall philosophy, that whole 'wait 'til 2010' thing was never going to work. Realistically, this organization refuses to look at itself as in full-rebuild mode in any way, or at least to project that image to the public.  I think the best we can hope for is that SF adopts the strategy to rebuild the farm system and hang onto the stud youngsters (i.e. Lincecain) we have now-- everything else is expendable to make the team not quite as putrid to watch in the interim.

In the long run, maybe that means we don't compete until 2011-2012 instead of 2010-2011, but I think that's probably a sacrifice Giants brass is willing to make for the PERCEPTION of an effort to contend.  It's not something we should be thrilled at, but we'd better get used to it, because that's just the way it's going to work, I'd say.

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 6, 2007 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
The Giants should never really be in "full-rebuild mode" because they have $$.  But, yeah, this trade wouldn't be that bad, but its not that productive for our future either, except increase our revenue.

Its just not a move I can get really excited about.  With the limited trading chips the Giants have, they should be trying to acquire YOUNG position players, not declining ones.

Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 3:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I think Sabean is more inclined to acquire Matsui rather than Fukodome because Matsui has proven himself in the bigs already.  That and he is in his mid-30s.
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8th
if you count Rios.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: 8th
Do any of 'em have talent?

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
So um...what is this actually?  Verbal masturbation by a talk show host or did he hear that a deal has gone down?

by DaStick on Dec 6, 2007 2:20 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
The guy who reported this is the same guy that said one day that Eric Bedard to the Mets was imminent and then reported the next day that Eric Bedard to the Dodgers was imminent. Eric Bedard is still with the Orioles in case you didn't know. However he IS the Yankees beat reporter, so I expect him to be a little more believable on this rumor.
Do NOT trade Timmah!!

by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2007 7:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Even worse: The Giants just lost Matt Kinney to the Seibu Lions.

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
it's like pearl harbor 2.  The japanese just can't leave us alone.
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 6, 2007 10:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Oh, you mean like a sequel to an unwatchable movie that never should have been made?

by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2007 9:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
This analogy still works comparing the '08 Giants to the '07 Giants.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 7, 2007 6:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Actually Matsui would be an 8th, if you count Velez.  Rios being the 9th ;)

by DaStick on Dec 6, 2007 2:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
By the way, I do like that, after all the talk about how it we were going to ~*~move on~*~ from Bonds, our first two major moves of the offseason have been to lock up a 40 year old and trade for a 34 year old.

I thought it was all Bonds's fault that we had an old team. ;_;

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:23 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Yeah, how does everybody who believed Sabes when he talked about turning over a new leaf feel now?
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 2:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Oh come on, this is clearly all Magowan's doing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Personally, I've had the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to this offseason.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Roberts
Winn
Durham
Matsui
Molina
Aurilia
Feliz
Vizquel
SP

Anyone else's dream lineup?  Sure is mine.

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
675 runs! yeah!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
There is no way that lineup scores 675 runs.  No way.

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I was being nice.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
There is no way you were being nice. No way.

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Realistically

Roberts/Davis
Winn
Tejada
Masui
Sexson
Molina
Frandsen
Vizquel

smells better

"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
That team would have steamrolled through the 2003 playoffs.

by KCE on Dec 6, 2007 2:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Heheh, good point.
Barry Zito: Mike Hampton with a guitar

by JakeS on Dec 6, 2007 6:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
They've said that Tejada to the Giants is dead.
Do NOT trade Timmah!!

by rxmeister on Dec 6, 2007 7:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh
Does Hideki play LF or 1B?  I guess it does get us a heart of the order hitter without giving up Cainceum.  And with Sanchez gone there's no way we trade Tim or Matt which is all that really matters to me.  
Zealously advocating for Nate the Great since 2007.

by orangeandblackattack on Dec 6, 2007 2:26 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Carlos Silva lurks...
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:27 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
not funny, probably true, but not funny

by ResDog on Dec 6, 2007 2:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Or Lincecum to NYY for PHughes and pieces

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
That would probably win the award for most pointless trade ever. Unless one of the pieces was Robbie Cano or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends on how SF feels about Lincecum
If they view him as small and frail and with some questions marks then maybe, just maybe they consider it.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Depends on how SF feels about Lincecum
Phil Hughes has more of an injury history than Tim does at this point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
And assuming they aren't trading Tim or Matt, there's no room in the rotation for Sanchez.  Another year of him bouncing up and down or being a LOOGY would be a waste and would do nothing for his value.
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
No room?  Cain, Lincecum, Zito, Lowry and then whom?  Are you assuming Correia gets the call instead of Sanchez?

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Absolutely.

I'm very high on Correia and think he could be the best #5 in the league next season.

I like Sanchez, but don't see the same consistency and number of plus pitches.  He's basically a lefty with a plus-fastball.

On a somewhat related note, I've recently been emulating Jonathan's facial hair (goatee with no mustache...something Mrs. Goofus and I affectionately call the "Filthy Sanchez" in his honor.)

"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
You should grow a grizzly beard like Casey Blake and call it the "Cleveland Steamer"
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meth
That's what I kept reading this title as.  Which would explain this board's rampant paranoia, and the ability to get to 110 comments in about 12 minutes.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another point
From the female fangirl perspective, I'm assuming that a Matsui for Sanchez trade would be a terrible deal for the Giants.

If you're going to trade a latin guy for Matsui, I think Edward James Olmos might be more fair. Shaving for those guys must be trickier than a lunar landing.

"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mrs. Goofus is quite the strange one...
If she likes......

Nevermind.

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
I got over Jonathan quickly when I found photos of him arriving at some party wearing a white suit and huge diamond earrings. It was horrible. He no longer inspires amorous feelings in me.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Are you proposing 3 lefty starters without a history of  being extremely hard on right handed batters in May Field?

Zito            244/323/ 403 BA/OBP/ SLG vs. Right handed Batters.
Lowry        277/378/425  BA/OBP/ SLG vs. Right handed Batters.
Sanchez      321/412/500 BA/OBP/ SLG vs. Right handed Batters. ( 166 Plate appearance)

Granted this is just a quick thumbnail sketch.
 Zito's career numbers much better  at 229/305/364.
 Just  for giggles Corriea is 257/320/392 vs. Right handed batters.

by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2007 10:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Above numbers  are for `07  unless directly stated.

by daveinexile on Dec 6, 2007 10:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Huh huh...he said "hard on"..huh huh.
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister (who wants to be sure that no one interpets this statement as an endorsement of Clinton) 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 7, 2007 9:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
Thank ya. Thank ya very much.

Please don't forget to stop by the concession stand on the way out. We are running a special on rare, limited edition, Benitez Tee Shirts.  They make a great stocking stuffers.

by daveinexile on Dec 7, 2007 2:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point..
I'm not going to shed tears if we trade Sanchez.  If it prevents us from doing something truly stupid, I call that a win.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Meh
If Matsui can move to 1B this trade is sort of decent.
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I'm still seeing absolutely nothing on the net, or hearing anything on XM, that tells me this is more than chatter.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...
this is gossip until we get a source.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Dude, shut up.  You're totally ruining everyone's feelings of self-pity.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
Nevertheless, we will get this diary to 100 comments probably by quarter to 11. Or 3 or whatever time it is on the West Coast.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easily...
We're only 20 away.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
So, what is the feeling of the man on the street in the U.K. about this rumor?  You should totally walk around and ask some people, and then report back.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I think I hear some drunk footie fans outside. I'm sure they'd love to be interviewed! :D
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
I'm listening to WFAN with Mike and the Mad Dog and the only thing that's been mention was that the Giants are "interested" in Matsui. The other thing they said via a report from Buster Olney, the Dodgers in the running for A's Blanton

by Buzzword on Dec 6, 2007 2:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports Sanchez for Matsui
NooOOO!!11 that is the worst news ever, I'm going to barf and throw myself up a flight of stairs and then fall down on them possibly into my own barf NOOOO!! OMG@

Sorry, I just want to fit in.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whenever he comes to bat...
Everyone has to move their mouths silently for a few seconds, yell out "GODZILLA!" and then move their mouths silently for another few seconds.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK...
Reaction how I think of the deal.  It's ok I guess.  Sanchez wasn't getting anywhere here, we really had to trade Lowry, Correia, or Sanchez this year because all of them belonged in the rotation.  Matsui will draw in a lot of the asian market probably, giving the Giants money.  For 2 years, he's not really blocking a big prospect.  I just hope that somehow we trade off Roberts now, or Winn if we can really get a good IF prospect for him.

Looking at his stats, him being a lefty will probably drop his power down, probably into the high teens or around 20 HRs, although perhaps increse his triples with our alley.

Another thing, his page says he played 3B exclusively in Japanese ball.  With his knees is it possible for him to move back?  Is this something really common in Japanese baseball, to take a 3B and turn him into a LF/RF?

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:39 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no one...
moves up the defensive spectrum at 33
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: no one...
I'm pretty sure Biggio moved back to second during his 54th season in the majors.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He split time..
83 games in Left, 66 in Center.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: no one...
But he was pretty much terrible at both the outfield and second base for the last few years of his career.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: no one...
Well, I never said he was good at second.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess if I investigated more..
I could find out that when he moved to LF for the 2003 season he was bad enough there to not replace the great combo of Robin Ventura and Todd Zeile.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: OK...
The fact that he played 3B means he could probably play 1B now...meaning we could go with the "speed and defense" outfield we all covet.
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Facts
Does anyone have any facts or hard news here?

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 2:45 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fact
  1. We have no idea what we are talking about.
  2. We have reached 106 posts (when I'm typing this at least) about something we have no idea about.
  3. It's time for an earthquake diary hijack.
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why yes, yes I do.
Jupiter's orbital radius is 262000 miles.

70 were killed in a Chinese mine explosion.

"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Why yes, yes I do.
I'd think it'd be much bigger than that..perhaps you mean one of it's moons?

by DaStick on Dec 6, 2007 3:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm
devastatingly handsome
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:48 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that's the hardest news of all.
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
I am McLovin
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MCLOVIN!
Are you violating that girl with your penis!?
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
Hideki Matsui is sometimes referred to as "Godzilla."

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 2:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I add another fact?
If this is a done deal it'll probably be lost in all the posts here so we'll have to start a new diary to announce it.

Then there will be about 3 or 4 others that come by afterwards when we say things like...

"Roger Clemens signed with the Yankees!"

and

"Jerome Williams signed with the A's!"

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roger Clemens signed with Jerome Williams
But where's Velez?
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 2:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
Fact: I feel like a hipster douchebag, but this Eluvium album is kicking my ass.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 2:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
I'm great in bed.  (But then again, you all new that.)
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 2:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because that's what she said!
That Goofus was good in bed.

But she lied, so that's what she said but lied.

Boy I'm lame at creating any humor.

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
I am great in bed as well. I can sleep for days.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 3:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?
A semi went by when I was reading what you wrote.  I didn't hear the last part.

You're good in bed?  You're a woman?

Ooooooo!

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 3:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: What?
A semi huh?
Here's to Kemp, Loney, LaRoche, Hu, and Kershaw not panning out.

by Woody Wins on Dec 6, 2007 4:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
Matt Cain has two "out pitches," and one of them is an enormous wang in your face.
Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Dec 6, 2007 10:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Facts
I think we've found a caption for Natto's next shirt.
"natto is just weird and gross in smell, texture, and taste" - BVCE

by SF Pete on Dec 7, 2007 2:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a second...
Does this diary just mean that it's possible that there is a Sanchez (a dirty one) waiting for Matsui?
Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 2:50 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you guys are impossible!
Milesntrane writes "Hey!  Why is everyone so mad about Matsui?  Isn't this the crowd that is up-in-arms because we don't have a powerful/productive corner outfielder?  BAM!  That's exactly what Matsui is.  Sure, he's 33.  Great.  Bonds was 43.  If the Yanks take on some salary, take Sanchez instead of Lowry, and Sanchez goes to play for a team that is in the other league where he can't hurt us, then this is a totally lop-sided trade for the Giants.

I do NOT see why anyone would be PO'd about this trade.  We had a few extra arms, we needed someone GOOD as a hitter, WE DIDN'T trade Tiny!  Damn guys... you guys are impossible!"

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 2:53 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
Take that people who open diaries for no reason!
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 2:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes but to be fair...
...the motto of this board seems to be "Take that people who open diaries for any reason!"
"When Jackson Williams thinks of how many times Madison Bumgarner has tried to kill Tyler Walker..."

by multiphasic on Dec 6, 2007 3:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with some it was a pointless diary...
But I agree with you being slightly ticked at his remark.

It's almost better for boards like this to stay smaller.  Almost.

Coming to you from The Land of Many Beers.

by WalrusMan on Dec 6, 2007 3:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: I agree with some it was a pointless diary...
I have no problem with people opening as many diaries as they want. I just thought the way Kenshin1 dealt with the new diary was funny. No reason to be ticked at my remark.
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 3:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: I agree with some it was a pointless diary...
You haven't been reading MY diary, have you? gasps

Mom!!

by DaStick on Dec 6, 2007 3:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
Lets see - the Giants over the next 2 years will be awful; I'd prefer them to spend $26 million in the draft than on Matsui, and actually add talent to the org. There is no reason the Giants should be trading for a 34 year old - none whatsoever, especially if they are taking on salary.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Dec 6, 2007 2:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
No way we can spend 26m on a single draft. But I would prefer we used Sanchez as part of a package that gets us hitting prospects.
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 3:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
It seems like nobody here wants to settle for anything less than something like Durham + Aurilia + Roberts for a future hall of famer.  
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."

by capnk on Dec 6, 2007 4:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
That's not true at all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 4:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
But we wouldn't turn it down if, you know, a bunch of the other GMs happened to go bungee jumping together without helmets.
All your signature are belong to us.

by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2007 11:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: you guys are impossible!
Kenshin, I'm cool with it as long as the Giants don't give him LinceCain or like eight pitchers including Timmy II, Henry Sosa, and Mad Bum. Even losing Lowry, I'd get over that.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 5:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and now from the NY state of mind
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/06/could-matsui-be-on-the-market/

Scroll down to the notes thread and read it from a NY Yankees fan mindset. Expanding the deal could be interesting in the long run.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 3:06 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
so i went to the cast and crew screening of the golden compass tuesday night and there was booing! and these people worked on the god-damn film!!!

so, yes, i wouldn't mind matsui for lowry. if we aren't going to compete we at least have to pretend we tried.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Dec 6, 2007 3:11 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was...
the movie that bad?
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: was...
it was actually pretty boring at times, and the end was the reason everyone booed... i don't want to spoil it any more than i already have.

so if we do get matsui for lowry+ that means no retarded trading away of future cy young winners, right? that's another reason i'm all for the trade.

finally, is anyone else going to this thing tonight? my roommate said it has something to do with "the dark knight"...

http://www.whysoserious.com/steprightup/register.aspx

it's not showing in the bay area but we're going to the l.a. show... if it's something special i'll post it later in this off-the-wall diary.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Dec 6, 2007 3:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
the more I hear about this movie, the more it sounds/looks like a disaster.

I'll probably still go see it for Daniel Craig, but lol.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 3:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
Wow, no joke?  The preview trailer was a painful checklist of Bad Fantasy Novel Cliches to me, with pretty wrapping paper.  If it's going to dive-bomb into the sewer of movie suckdom, tell me now so I know to completely avoid it.

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 3:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
The books were terrific. Not planning on seeing the movie but I heard they basically edited out anything that deals with religion, which leaves the story kinda pointless.  
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 3:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
Seriously. And since the religious people are still mad about it, this movie is basically pissing off the religious and the atheists alike! \o/
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 3:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Can this diary get any more ridiculous?
After 49 reviews, the movie's Tomatometer is at 45%.  The short blurbs on RottenTomatoes.com don't make it sound like an all-out winner.  I don't plan to see it, but since my kid was born, I've seen all of one movie in the theater (Transformers, thank you Diaper Days!).
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Dec 6, 2007 3:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Attention Statheads
Need some assistance. Is it true Godzilla posted the second highest AL LF OPS (to MRamirez)?

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 3:15 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Attention Statheads
He's number 3.
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 3:32 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arbitrary...
and meaningless data splice
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: arbitrary...
but Matsui also had the most 2 out 9-inning doubles in the month of August!
Thank God that's over.

by southcitysteve on Dec 6, 2007 3:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: arbitrary...
He's also arguably the best Matsui in the MLB.
You deserve to be struck out when your first name's a verb

by Cookyman on Dec 6, 2007 3:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
From Jayson Stark at ESPN:

  3:45 p.m., from Jayson Stark
* A source says the Giants did call the Yankees about Hideki Matsui. They're offering their starting pitchers (Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain or Noah Lowry) for bats, but they are just exploring to see if there is a match. Matsui has a full no-trade clause, and it isn't known whether he would waive it to go to San Francisco or anywhere else.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 3:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol..
this will go down with the grammar diary and the original "chill it" diary in mccovey chronicles history.
Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 3:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: lol..
I just want to be part of MCC history.  This trade rumor sucks.
"natto is just weird and gross in smell, texture, and taste" - BVCE

by SF Pete on Dec 6, 2007 3:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
I'm pretty sure that does not mean they're offering Cain and Lincecum for Matsui.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 3:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Expand the deal
Sounds like SF is looking to see if NYY are a match for a blockbuster for one of SFs pitchers  and pieces for some fine NYY talent.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 3:24 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Expand the deal
No, I think they're just going around seeing what teams are willing to offer for the pitchers they have.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 3:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Expand the deal
So this is how we get A-rod.
Nattowear | comics | Durham? I hardly know 'im!

by Natto on Dec 6, 2007 3:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
We should send these writers to a semantics class. Anyone not paying attention could assume it was Cain or Lincecum for Matsui which is, well, bad.
Democracy is lovely but baseball is more mature. BVCE supports Manny Burriss and SF Dugout.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 6, 2007 3:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
You guys griping about this potential trade better get used to seeing No. 4/5 pitchers being moved. As long as Cain/Lincecum/Zito(unfortunately) and Sabean are here, the No.4/5 pitchers we have, and we have a ton of them in the system, will be moving elsewhere through trades for bats constantly.
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.

by Lincecain on Dec 6, 2007 3:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
We'll trade 4/5 pitchers?  That's a GOOD thing.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Dec 6, 2007 3:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
which, along with developing our farm system and adding a few key free agents here and there, is the way back to contention. I lean towards OGC in that we need to keep the top 2 men if we want to contend in the playoffs. We could be the d-backs of this year but with good pitching...
Giant Expectations

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 6, 2007 3:33 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
Can you imagine the reaction when a trade actually does go down? This place is going to erupt.

by mxmob33 on Dec 6, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
We'll probably be too worn out to even post by then.  

by Skaldheim on Dec 6, 2007 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
I know, right? I wonder how fast we'd get to a 300 comment diary if some crazy trade like this one (or crazier) actually went down.

That said, unless it's a trade I personally agree with and support, I'd rather not find out.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Dec 6, 2007 3:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
We should keep cycling those 4/5 pitchers through for hitters until we have a full line-up of lincecain. Only talents such as these stick with us.

Do you think Dirty had enough opportunities in a defined role to see if he sticks?

For WilltheThrill, this is Jon Miller saying goodnight. . . .

by WilltheThrill on Dec 6, 2007 3:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
This is an OK deal.  I don't see why we can't get a 1B instead of yet another outfielder.

I don't see how we are going to suddenly get a raft of young guys that can hit, and will be ML ready in 2-3 years.  

The only reason to stay away from guys like Matsui is to spend the money elsewhere.  I don't see how 13M/2 years can be spent on anything that helps the team in 2010.  I mean, teams won't just sell you their prospects.

That being said, what I don't like about Godzilla is that he's really not that good (although immediatly becomes best hitting on the Giants), might decline fast, and plays OF.  Plus Sanchez has some significant upside.

This is a good move only if you have lost faith in Sanchez becoming an ace reliever or solid starter.

by zenbitz on Dec 6, 2007 3:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
If I may reiterate, I've been listening to both WFAN (which they report that the Yankees are interested in pitching and Matsui has to okay the deal because of the NTC. So then I went to KNBR, well maybe Ralph and Tom are nice people in person, and I hope they are, but as broadcasters they are absolutely awful.  Not because they want to trade Lincecum for Rios, but they were asking Henry(Schulman?) such insipid questions and comments. Ralph: But a pitcher like Lincecum has more of a chance to breakdown than Rios. Their whole demeanor on the radio are beyond inept. I'm not a fan of Mike and the Mad Dog, but the level of professionalism, expertise and knowledge of sports is incomparable to those two yahoos...I had to turn them off, I couldn't take it anymore.      

by Buzzword on Dec 6, 2007 3:43 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
Aside from Ted Robinson, KNBR has been utterly disgusting the past couple days.
Giant Expectations

by UnleashTheGore on Dec 6, 2007 3:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
Been that way for some time..horrible station for baseball talk....they're fortunate to have him come in on occassion

by DaStick on Dec 6, 2007 4:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
Ralph is one of those guys who knows a little bit about a lot of things (he's been in sports radio for quite some time now), but is on expert at any of those things.  He is a very good history book, though.

His questions for Sabean and Steve Young are generally pretty well thought out and bring back some decent responses.  Young is a pretty open book, but Sabean isn't.  Besides, I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ralph vs. Sabean is some of the best 20 minutes of talk radio there is.

by sfgfan on Dec 6, 2007 3:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
The problem is that Rapph thinks he's an expert on all these things.

I'd appreciate Ralph's provoking questions more if:

  • They didn't take forever
  • He wasn't more interested in working his own opinion into the question than hearing what his guest's answer is
Whether it's a guest or a caller, Raplh is a horrible listener.  He'll often say things that make it obvious he wasn't even half listening to what was just said.  I think he's one of those people who's always thinking about what he's going to say next.  Bugs the hell out of me.
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 4:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
yesterday a caller called in and stated that he would have preferred a deal (he had heard) for Jay Bruce if the team was going to deal Lincecum.

Ralph and Tom's reaction? Jay who? How can we expect these guys to properly analyze a major trade when they don't even know who the minor league player of the year was? Ok, the average fan probably won't know, but these guys are supposed to be "professionals."

Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 6, 2007 5:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: WFAN reports possible (edit: kenshin) Sanchez
Exactly nostocksjustbonds. Tom gave the impression that he was completely unaware of who the Giants had in their farm system and when told, he didn't seem to care.
Goofus pointed out that Ralph "thinks" he knows about baseball. I get the same impression. Just because he's on the radio doesn't mean a thing. You either know your subject or bring on an expert that does. Listerners will trust you more if your honest with them and not be a blowhard.
For the life of me, with all the money Ralph makes (good for him and his family) you would have thought he would have gone to a speech therapist for that lateral lisp.
But what I really think bothers me more than anything is they can't seem to leave there egos in the airlock to the studio.
The two of them should get down on their hands and knees every morning and thank the radio gods they have a job.

by Buzzword on Dec 6, 2007 5:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
At least all of this has distracted me from the terrible feeling I had all of yesterday, thinking that we'd give up Lincecum for Rios.  Now it's only puzzled and mildly uncomfortable.
Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?

by scotterduder on Dec 6, 2007 3:57 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it goes down, any chance we could move to 1B?
He's not too old, and if he played 3b before, his hands are at least decently fast.

As much as I really do like Ort, and wouldn't mind if he were our 1b, if we get Matsui, I'd rather see him at first, Winn in Center, Nate in Right and Lewis/Davis/Ort/Roberts(gag) in left.

And Boom Goes the Dynamite

by Andy from DC on Dec 6, 2007 4:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
This doesn't mention Sanchez, but it does mention Lowry.  I'll bet Yankees fans go nuts if it's Lowry of Matsui.

I wonder if there's any deal the Yankees would do that would be worth Cain or Lincecum.

"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 4:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
Think Santana and then lessen the talent a bit.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 4:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
who were they offering for Santana?
"Hillary has that nomination sewn up." - rxmeister 11/9/07

by Goofus on Dec 6, 2007 4:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we...:
are thinking about trading Lincecum straight up for Alex Rios.

We will not get an offer anywhere near the Santana package from the yanks.

Flossing a dead horse

by kenshin1 on Dec 6, 2007 4:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Understandable
NYY GM Cashman advised against trading for Santana. Believe he thought giving up talent and then adding  $20M more to the budget per season was counterproductive. Maybe he might see value in this or a similar deal? It definitely would be less of a hit on the luxury tax.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 5:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Understandable
I think they're doing it just to prevent the Red Sox from getting him, or at least making them pay a lot more.
Bonds stands alone.

by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 6, 2007 5:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Understandable
My thoughts were Red Sox were messing with the Yankees.

by wilriv21 on Dec 6, 2007 5:19 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
Good evening.  Yankee fan here.  We hate this deal even more than you guys do!

by denny on Dec 6, 2007 8:20 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
I suppose you guys are expecting Lincecum for Matsui straight up would be fair?  Or do you think you'd have to toss in Shelley Duncan?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Dec 6, 2007 9:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
   Most of our fans are saying Lowry and Sanchez don't cut it.  Lowry wouldn't last 3 innings in the AL East.  Sanchez?  A middle reliever for us.  You don't trade the great Matsui for both of them.  He would be your best hitter, and would bring alot of money to your ownership through attendance and marketing in Japan (where he is THE MAN).

   I'm not shocked to see what you guys are saying.  Is it realistic?  No, but neither are we.  It's just natural for fans to overhype their own players, especially the young ones (most of us didn't want Johan if it cost us Hughes).  

   Now, of course, somewhere between the hysteria on this site, and our sites lays the truth: Matsui isn't a superstar, and Lincecum and Cain aren't the best young pitchers in baseball.  Matsui is a very good hitter and marketing dream; and Lincecum and Cain aren't the next coming of Clemens (in fact, we're debating where either would fit in the rotation, with Hughes, Chamberlain, Wang, Pettitte, and Kennedy already slotted; probably #4 slot).  Factoring everything in, I think a package of Matsui, Tabata or Jackson, and Horne is more than fair for Cain.  

by denny on Dec 6, 2007 9:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Mentioned on MLB.com now:
Lowry had two starts vs. AL teams this year.  One against the Yanks and the other vs. the Jays, both solid starts for Lowry.

June 12 vs. TOR 6 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 4 BB, 5 SO
June 24 vs. NYY 5.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 2 SO

And as far as your proposed  Matsui, Tabata or Jackson & and Horne for Cain trade.  Dream on.  The Giatns wouldn't do that for Lincecum let alone Cain, they're looking for position players who would be ready to play in 08'.  Not players like Tabata or Jackson who are still years away from playing.

by Cainer on Dec 6, 2007 10:14 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cain/Lincecum vs. Hughes/Chamberlain
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/264748.html
By Jim Callis
August 26, 2007

Which team's young pitching combination do you like better, the Yankees' Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain or the Giants' Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum?

D.J. Kennedy
Anaheim

D.J. has mentioned four of the very best young pitchers in the big leagues. Cain consistently has spun quality starts since breaking into the majors two years ago at age 20. Lincecum and Chamberlain had the best 1-2 combination of pitches in the 2006 draft and needed precious little minor league time before enjoying immediate success in the bigs. I ranked Hughes as the best pitching prospect in the minors entering the season--and his pure stuff isn't as good as that of the other three guys.

Separating prospects like this basically comes down to nitpicking. I'll take the San Francisco duo, because Cain has proven more in the majors more quickly than Hughes, and because Lincecum's long-term health is a safer bet than Chamberlain's. A number of teams passed on Chamberlain in the 2006 draft because they couldn't get medical clearance on the long-term health of his left knee.

That said, New York's pitching future is in good hands with Hughes and Chamberlain. If the Giants have the best pair of pitchers who are 23 or younger, the Yankees very may well have the second-best duo.

by Cainer on Dec 6, 2007 10:30 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs