Noah Lowry
Many of you here are way more knowledgable than I. So I ask a simple question about Noah Lowry. A lot of the rumors right now are about Joe Blanton. Why is Noah not even mentioned in the same breath? Am I undervaluing Joe Blanton or overvaluing Noah? Blanton seems like he had a decent year last year but nothing special. Maybe he is slightly better than Noah, but why is he getting top notch prospects in return for his services? Can someone please help a brother out? Why is this guy coveted?
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Re: Noah Lowry
by rotorueter on Dec 17, 2007 8:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 17, 2007 8:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 17, 2007 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by KCE on Dec 17, 2007 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The problem for the Giants is that deals are available now that would fill the Giants' 1B and 3B needs, and Sabean may move faster than he otherwise would want to. I think Lowry's value will be higher a month from now, but I suspect he'll be gone by then.
by Buck Henry on Dec 17, 2007 8:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Birdman on Dec 17, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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14-10, 3.95 ERA, .269 BAA, 1.22 WHIP
230.0 IP, 240 H, 40 BB, 140 K
2nd AL in IP; 3rd AL in CG
Lowry:
14-8, 3.92 ERA, .265 BAA, 1.55 WHIP
156.0 IP, 155 H, 87 BB, 87 K
3rd most BB in NL
There are three big differences that I see:
(1) Durability- Blanton is a horse, whereas Noah seem to be capable of pitching fewer innings. Even outside of ERA, Ks, and all of that, teams really value a pitcher that can eat up innings.
(2) Control- Noah gives up WAY too many walks and this bumped his WHIP up a good deal.
(3) Strikeouts- An out is an out, but more strikeouts usually mean better stuff.
The lack of strikeouts plus the lack of control is a big red flag. You have successful pitchers who are wild, but make up for it with amazing stuff. You also have pitchers without really good stuff, but can locate the ball so well that they can still trick hitters and prevent them from hitting the ball with power.
Noah is neither. He has below average stuff, and horrible control. Yet, he is fairly successful. You can chalk this up to either being a gamer, or being lucky. I think it is a bit of both.
If the market doesn't heat up from Noah after Blanton gets traded, the best thing to do is to keep Lowry and hope that he can show teams that he is durable and has better control than last year indicates. If he can do those things, we will likely be able to get something good before the trade deadline when teams are desperate for that last piece that can put them into the playoffs and beyond.
by shikantaza on Dec 17, 2007 8:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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He has essentially been doing it for 3.5 years not, his only blemish has been Sept 2006, when he finally was shut down because of elbow problems, but prior to Sept, his ERA and stats were very much like the stats for him for his career. I think he has shown that he's not like other pitchers, he knows how to pitch with less than stellar stuff and to get people out with it.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 17, 2007 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Dec 17, 2007 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Noah was lucky in 2007 when despite a leap to 1.55 in his WHIP, his ERA remained at about the same level as 2004 and 2005, coming in at 3.92.
Give me the Noah of 2004 and 2005, and I wouldn't be so anxious to trade him.
by sharksrog on Dec 17, 2007 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Quoting from that post
>>Luck, as measured by the number of extra wins, and short losses the pitcher actually got, versus his expected record. LUCK = (W-E(W))+(E(L)-L)
It's based on estimated wins and losses. Looking at how similar pitchers with the same statistics faired. Here's the BP definition of estimated wins:
>>Expected win record for the pitcher, based on how often pitchers with the same innings pitched and runs allowed earned a win or loss historically (this differs from how it was computed, which was a more complicated, theoretical calculation).
Our SP, based on the luck stat. Positive scores means that the pitcher was lucky and negative scores indicate bad luck.
Barry Zito: -2.76
Noah Lowry: +4.32 (this shouldn't surprise anyone)
Tim Lincecum: +0.94
Matt Morris: +0.92
Kevin Correia: -0.69 (includes both starting and relieving)
Jonathan Sanchez: -2.07 (includes both starting and relieving)
Lowry was lucky, but he wasn't the luckiest pitcher in the bigs last year, that goes to Paul Byrd who scored a (+8.23)
If anyone's interested, you can read the rest of the post here.
http://www.baycityball.com/2007/10/08/unlucky-18-and-rotation-thoughts/
by xanthan on Dec 17, 2007 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And then, kerplunk. What's up with that?
by Steve on Dec 17, 2007 8:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Otherwise, he might be a guy that was deceptive the first time through the league that got figured out big time and has never made the necessary adjustments. Once guys started laying off that changeup and sitting on that fat fastball, every outing has seemed like a struggle.
by KCE on Dec 17, 2007 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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BTW, I wonder if Wily Mo Pena has ever gotten back into the shoes he lunged out of trying to hit that changeup Noah's first season?
by DrBGiantsfan on Dec 17, 2007 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 17, 2007 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Dec 17, 2007 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Dec 17, 2007 9:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by The Gene Hackman on Dec 17, 2007 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Dec 17, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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...it happens to the rest"
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 17, 2007 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 17, 2007 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane wants a team to overpay for Blanton
dodgers-kemp/dejesus/mcdonald
reds-bailey or cueto+
mariners- jones/morrow
mets- told they didnt have enough
i think they might bring blanton's price down. likely it would take a top 50 prospect + several 2nd tier, but those previous demands seem unlikely. also i think it will be an NL team, whoever is desperate most. cant afford santana/bedard asking price or dont want to give 40mill+ to silva/lohse, blanton might a solid alternative
by rayver723 on Dec 17, 2007 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by sam23 on Dec 17, 2007 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I'm sure there are more interesting candidates, but it might be kind of cool to see what he can find in the pitch-by-pitch data.
by KCE on Dec 17, 2007 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by DaStick on Dec 17, 2007 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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