Giants sign Rowand
I like the way he plays,I just don't know why we need another center fielder.
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Re: Giants sign Rowand
by sfgreg on Dec 12, 2007 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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This is going to be at crazy money for a HTWG - what is wrong with Sabean?
by Aadik on Dec 12, 2007 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Dec 12, 2007 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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extra padding on CF fence now please.
by Mark carry on on Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by The Nick on Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"Now batting, centerfielder, #5, Aaron 'we, uh, didn't have to trade Timmy for him?' Rowand."
by ResDog on Dec 12, 2007 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by MikeyJ on Dec 12, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I hate it when I'm insufficiently pessimistic.
by Evan on Dec 12, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by mxmob33 on Dec 12, 2007 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Lyle on Dec 13, 2007 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rotorueter on Dec 12, 2007 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 12, 2007 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Much rejoicing ("yay.").
by oneflapdown on Dec 12, 2007 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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1)We already have a bizzilion outfielders
2)The $$$ is not worth it
3)We lose a draft pick
4)We still have holes at 1b and 3b
The only thing I like is Rowands character. Dude is crazy dedicated to the sport. Hopefully he can light a fire under everyones ass and show them what going "balls out" means
by ACgiant87 on Dec 12, 2007 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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32 PA, .286/.344/.393.
by trapper9 on Dec 12, 2007 12:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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286/.343/.462
by Chulk on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goat on Dec 12, 2007 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Aadik on Dec 12, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by English Professor on Dec 12, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2007 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like Sabean is one of the computer GM's..
Sabean has 15 bajillion outfielders (that's a conservative estimate), including a few that deserve long periods of exposure this year since we will suck, and he goes out and signs the best player still available whether or not he is right for the team.
by WalrusMan on Dec 12, 2007 1:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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I will be stunned if that phrase does not show up in his next column.
by groug on Dec 12, 2007 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 12, 2007 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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God help us. Make him stop.
This means that Winn stays in RF, and we do what in LF? Perhaps the Matsui-for-Sanchez and the "Lowry-for Encarnacion and others" deals go through now?
by Buck Henry on Dec 12, 2007 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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maybe they overspent a little, who cares...
by slojoe on Dec 12, 2007 1:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabes has infected Bochy
"I've always admired Aaron from a far, but I got a chance to meet with him and work with him at the All-Star Game this year and was very impressed," said Giants manager Bruce Bochy. "He is the type of player and person who will help bring that 'warrior mentality' we've talked about to the Giants."
SFGiants.com is already doing spin work, pushing that he has done well away from hitter-friendly home parks...
While each of his previous two ballparks have been known as hitters paradises, Rowand has hit at a .289 lifetime clip (380-for-1,316) with 87 doubles, six triples, 37 home runs and 150 RBI in 413 road contests. He has posted a .283 career home average (381-for-1,348) with 221 runs, 79 doubles, six triples, 56 home runs and 197 RBI in 436 combined games at Chicago's U.S. Cellular Park and Citizens Bank Park. In seven contests at AT&T Park, the newest Giant is hitting .286 (8-for-28) with three doubles and five RBI.
They are also trumpeting his defense.
Boy, I hope I'm wrong about this....but for now, I really dislike this move.
by BruteSentiment on Dec 12, 2007 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Although this still leaves us with only seven outfielders, so I guess you can't be too sure.
by Evan on Dec 12, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgfan on Dec 12, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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On the bright side, he's a gamer and a good fielder, which is something that will be valuable in the expansive and often cold Mays Field. He's also right handed, so the park won't completely kill his power numbers.
On the brighter side: THIS MEANS WE PROBABLY AREN'T TRADING LINCECUM (knock on wood)!!!!!!!!!!!! That is worth the extra time and money on the contract, IMHO.
So, let's say we give up JSnatch and Lewis for Godzilla... and let's pretend like Velez can play 2nd and Matsui is willing to play first:
Velez (2b)
Winn (LF)
Rowand (CF)
Matsui (1b)
Molina (C)
Schierholtz (RF) (please play him!)
Frandsen (3b)
Vizquel (ss)
Enchanter
Zito
Cain
Lowry
Correia
Wilson
Walker
Henney
Messenger
Misch
Trash
(Capellan?)
I can live with that, I guess...
(sorry... last one had lame formatting)
by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by awesomer on Dec 12, 2007 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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He was a little better than Bill Hall in CF during '07 by Revised Zone Rating
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&qual_fi lter=1&season_filter[0]=2007&league_filter[0]=2&pos_filter[0]=8&Submit=Submit&orderBy=zone_rating&di rection=DESC&page=1
His OOZ (Out of Zone plays) was a little more respectable but still think he's overrated.
Anyone have his UZR numbers?
by xanthan on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Dec 12, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm definitely skeptical of his ability to hit at Mays Field. He is a righty though, so that should help a bit. Hopefully he gets a lot of balls into the gaps.
Again, I'm not terribly excited about this, but I don't think it's the end of the world. I prefer this deal plus Lincecum to Rios alone. If we can grab Matsui, the offense may move from "the worst of all time" to simply "pretty damn bad." And with our pitching staff, that may be enough to make the team watchable.
by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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UZR has him as outstanding from 2003-05, bad in 2006 (the year he had that spectacular crash into the wall), somewhere in between in 2007.
In Tango's fan scouting report, Phillies fans score him as mediocre.
Maybe he can get back to where he once was, but that seems awfully unlikely for an injury-prone player in his thirties.
by Evan on Dec 12, 2007 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UZR absolutely LOVES him
In 2005, (+31) per 150 games, in 2004 (+16) per 150, in 2003 (+46) per 150 in a small sample,
In 2006, however, (-12). This was the year he ran into the wall, so it is possible that this is reflected in not just the offensive numbers, but also the defensive numbers.
In 2007, RZR, converted into runs above average, has him at 5 runs BELOW average.
However, Zone Rating, converted into runs above average, has him at 6 runs ABOVE average.
Basically, he appears to be in a similar class as Torii Hunter, at least for this year: RZR has him as below average, ZR at above average.
by rfloh on Dec 12, 2007 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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This deal really only works if we deal some of our other outfielders. If we now see a package of Lowry (or Sanchez) + Roberts/Winn for a decent 1B or 3B I'll be happy.
by fwoty oz on Dec 12, 2007 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, this ties the Giants up in a lot of money
by awesomer on Dec 12, 2007 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants sign Rowand (Overreaction)
Rowand plays the game the way it should be played, he comes to the ballpark and gives it his all, he will provide a spark and leadership in the clubhouse that this club hasn't seen in years.
This just means the Giants are in line to make more moves since there is a surplus of outfielders.
Rowand will play inspired baseball, something that we as Giants fans could surely appreciate.
Everyone should hold off their criticism and wait until this offseason is over before they start cursing at Sabean and the rest of the Giants orginization.
by Vmoney on Dec 12, 2007 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by fwoty oz on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by slojoe on Dec 12, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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- "knows how to win"
- "gamer"
- "solid clubhouse presence"
- "spark/leadership"
by Aadik on Dec 12, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by fwoty oz on Dec 12, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2007 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Well, empty rhetoric annoys me to begin with. There are some merits to the Rowand signing, but I have a hard time seeing him as either particularly necessary, more than just "good," or an honest part of the rebuild.
And I think management has trouble seeing him as any of these things either, because if they did then we wouldn't have to eat crap like "warrior spirit" just minutes after the announcement.
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by slojoe on Dec 12, 2007 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You sure about that?
Rowand
Winn
Roberts
Lewis
Schierholtz
Ortmeier
Davis
I've heard of 4th and 5th OFs, but for goodness sake.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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With no other moves our likely 13 man position player roster would be:
LineUp:
Roberts/Davis LF
Vizquel/Frandsen SS/3B
Winn RF
Rowand CF
Molina C
Durham 2B
Schierholtz/Ortmeier 1B
Frandsen/Vizquel 3B/SS
Bench:
Alfonzo or Rodrguez C
Ortmeier/Schierholtz 1B
Aurilia IF
Davis/Roberts OF
Lewis OF
by giantsrainman on Dec 12, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
According to dictionary.com...
- aroused, animated, or imbued with the spirit to do something, by or as if by supernatural or divine influence: an inspired poet.
- resulting from such inspiration: an inspired poem; an inspired plan.
- inhaled: inspired air.
Man, Sabean got a little creepy on that one.
by JRPhillips on Dec 12, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Isn't that the same thing we heard about Dave Roberts?
by otis29 on Dec 12, 2007 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Big Daddy J on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by otis29 on Dec 12, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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At first glance, that seems great. That is, until you consider the following points:
*He's a center fielder in an organization that has about 23 of them.
*He's played in severe hitter's parks his entire career.
*At 30 years of age, he's just past his prime.
*We locked him up until he's 35.
*He's likely making money similar to Fukadome, a player who projects to perform better than Rowand and was signed for a more reasonable four years.
*He's a center fielder.
*He's another low on-base player in an organization that's short on patient players.
*He's likely to hit around his 2006 season playing at Teh Phone Booth.
*He's a center fielder.
We do not need a good guy who is enthusiastic, a leader, and fulfills the requisite "Scrappy White Guy" position. We need someone who can get on base and hit the ball. If he's signed for under $10 million a year, I'll be more OK with it. If it means we now deal Roberts, Lewis, and Davis in some giant fourth-outfielder firesale in return for some young, valuable players, I'll be ecstatic. I'm not holding my breath, though.
by MidKnight on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad thing is that line doesn't even look great
by awesomer on Dec 12, 2007 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by MidKnight on Dec 12, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is being a CF
It should be a positive point.
The Fukudome comp is invalid. Fukudome appears to be a corner. He might be able to play CF. Then again, he might not.
by rfloh on Dec 12, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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As a center fielder, Winn hits well enough. In fact, he hits a bit better than your average center fielder. His defense isn't as bad as some say it is. He's above average, and is probably one of the only spare parts we shouldn't get rid of.
The problem is, with Rowand's acquisition, we push Winn to a corner outfield position. And while his defense becomes better (the Fielding Bible actually shows him to be far and away one of the best defensive corner outfielders), he suddenly becomes an offensive liability. He doesn't hit well enough to be a corner outfielder. Neither does Rowand. We have two guys that hit like center fielders, when for (presumably) less money, we could have had one guy that hits like a center fielder, and one that hits like a corner outfielder.
He could be a good player on the right team - - for the right price and contract length. The problem is, we don't need another guy who plays center field and hits like a center fielder. We already have a guy like that. We need someone who hits like a corner outfielder. If we find one and he only plays center field, then we can move Winn to a corner. Now we have two similar players; one of which hits well for his position and the other does not.
by MidKnight on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Which doesn't mean this isn't an inane signing, of course.
by Evan on Dec 12, 2007 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Evan said
by rfloh on Dec 12, 2007 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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No amount of explaining (and there are those who tried) will ever make me understand why a guy who hits .300 can't play any frickin' position he wants if he has the defensive skills the position requires , or why he's labeled inadequate offensively for a frickin' defensive position.
OK , you can try now...
by victor frankenstein on Dec 12, 2007 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Dec 12, 2007 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Here's some more idiocy - I wondered about our new centerpiece , so I Googled blindly. The page I got featured the last ten regular season Rowand stats - didn't exactly char the plate , and that was for a team heading for the playoffs.
How "inspired" will he be batting for us?
by victor frankenstein on Dec 12, 2007 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants sign Rowand (Overreaction)
From what I read the signing is for 12 million a year - a good salary but not that outrageous. One more year than is what one would want, but that was the price they had to likely pay to get him.
He will most likely not hit as well as he did in Philly, but he is the best bat on the Giants as of today.
by Sayhey on Dec 12, 2007 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Thats because Natto left his in his parents' basement.
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Dec 12, 2007 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Hell, David Eckstein plays inspired baseball, why not sign him too?
by MikeyJ on Dec 12, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give him any more ideas damnit.
by awesomer on Dec 12, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sam23 on Dec 12, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 12, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Friend: "We just signed Rowand to a five-year deal."
Me: "Five years for Rowand. Nice try, you got me scared for a second there."
Friend: "I'm not joking."
Me: "I hate...everything."
by MidKnight on Dec 12, 2007 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's a relief!
by The Balls of Summer on Dec 12, 2007 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by ACgiant87 on Dec 12, 2007 1:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by antinous on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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All-Star game puzzler: Still can't understand why LaRussa let him swing the bat in the bottom of the ninth when he had the bases loaded with the tying and winning runs and Albert Pujols holding a bat in the dugout...
by bigcountry on Dec 12, 2007 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2007 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Yeah. Now its Lincecum and Cain to the White Sox for AJ Pyrshinski.
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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We'll get to see some great defense at least. If Rowand cracks an .800 OPS I'd be happy. If we didn't already have 19 CF's I could almost live with it.
With his defense, an OPS of over .800 over the 5-year span could almost make him worthwhile.
Although, Sabes probably gave him 60-65 million at least. I'd have preferred Jones if we had to go into the FA market for an OF.
by NeifiChicken on Dec 12, 2007 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Big Daddy J on Dec 12, 2007 1:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Big problem. How are we going to tell him and Winn apart?
although the value of Rowand's contract was believed to have approached the five-year, $90 million package that Torii Hunter, another free-agent center fielder, recently received from the Los Angeles Angels.
Over/Under on how long it takes some Sabean defender to blame this on "Ownership"?
In any case, I hope we get 5 years of the .300 hitting version, not the .260 hitting version.
ZIPS:
Aaron Rowand cf 30 .276 .339 .444 143 536 80 148 35 2 17 73 34 106 7 3
Shane Victorino# rf 27 .277 .336 .440 142 452 78 125 23 6 13 57 33 63 20 4
AVERAGE CF ------------- cf ---- .275 .339 .435 ------------------------------------------
Wow, those 9 points of SLG above an average CF are clearly worth $2M/year. Each.
By comparision, avg. CF in AT&T:
AVERAGE CF ------------- cf ---- .272 .336 .413 ------------------------------------------
by zenbitz on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Dec 12, 2007 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by xanthan on Dec 12, 2007 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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:(
by jponry on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$85 million?
"terms were not immediately available, but the contract is believed to be worth in the neighborhood of $85 million"
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10526445
Still, given the absence of any other alternatives, I prefer having him to not having him - especially if it means not trading Lincecum for Rios.
by FavoriteSpring on Dec 12, 2007 1:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Shit Sabes, pick one or the other, not both!
by otis29 on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm not surprised at all.
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by victor frankenstein on Dec 12, 2007 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by NeifiChicken on Dec 12, 2007 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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IF THAT IS TRUE THAN NO WAY DUDER!!! 90 MIL???????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Big Daddy J on Dec 12, 2007 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by dangjackson on Dec 12, 2007 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Rowand
Roberts
Winn
Lewis
Davis
Schierholtz
Infield of:
Vizquel
Durham
The severed arm of JT Snow with the glove propped open
I'm just going to guess at 74 million because Sabean probably backloaded it and threw more money at him.
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 12, 2007 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Ironically, this would out-hit Ortmeier.
by zenbitz on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant Voodoo on Dec 12, 2007 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by sam23 on Dec 12, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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"Hey Mariners! We have Roberts available"
"No"
"You know he killed a man to prove his scrappiness, poor Ray-Ray got beat with his own arms."
"That's brutal"
"Yeah. Especially because Roberts missed durham 8 times out of 10. Took awhile."
"Sold! Soup/Sandwich fine for him?"
"Fool! I would have settled for oatmeal!"
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 12, 2007 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jfucsd10 on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
o_O
by Natto on Dec 12, 2007 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Dec 12, 2007 1:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Adopted!
by antinous on Dec 12, 2007 1:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"we just got rowand for 5 years and 86 bajillion"
"row and who?"
"not 'row and who', aaron rowand"
"right, Aaron rowand who else?"
and hilarity would ensue for another 5 seasons.
except by then the giants would probably fold and be shunned as communist sympathizers, and i wouldnt want my name dragged through the mud with them.
i heard japan has a giants team, maybe the switch wont be noticeable
by son of riles on Dec 12, 2007 1:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe the Giants brass felt that no one would make Feliz a multi-year offer and they'd get him back for cheap?
by Merope on Dec 12, 2007 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Find out how many current Giants Sabean has described as "a gamer," "a scrapper," "has veteran leadership," or some other Sabeanisms. I'd really be interested to know. But I can't go looking it up.
by JRPhillips on Dec 12, 2007 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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By my calculations that would be every single free-agent signing since Charlemagne.
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 13, 2007 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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"Come out to the ballpark to see Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand!"
by xanthan on Dec 12, 2007 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"humm baby, we suck"
by son of riles on Dec 12, 2007 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by dangjackson on Dec 12, 2007 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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It's not $90 million, it's $60 million.
There. Doesn't that feel better?
by Gabafnerhagen on Dec 12, 2007 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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If that's right I'm down with this signing.
by fwoty oz on Dec 12, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by shikantaza on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I can get up form the floor now.
by SoFa King Mike on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by antinous on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 12, 2007 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Dec 12, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That OF probably wouldn't hit 40 hr.
by awesomer on Dec 12, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Actually, before today it was supposed to be Roberts/Davis in left, Winn in center, and Scheirholtz in right. Not Roberts in center, Winn in right, and fuck all in left.
So likely this just means Roberts/Davis stays in left and Winn shifts over to right and Schierholtz suddenly has 500 or so fewer major league at bats come October.
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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And that's the worst part of this signing, IMO. The guy with the biggest big-league potential will lose playing time.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Dec 12, 2007 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 12, 2007 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Oh, crap, wrong blog. Never mind.
by Flapjacks McGurty on Dec 12, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by giantsrainman on Dec 12, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I'll believe it for now with some relief, but I still refuse to be surprised if it comes out officially that the contract is $80 mil plus.
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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i.e., thinking we're trading Lincecum for Rios and ending up with Rowand - well, that's not so bad after all!
thinking we're getting Rowand for 5/85 and ending up with him for 5/60 - well, that's not so bad after all!
by jponry on Dec 12, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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This is a classic "panic" move...then again, Sabean was going to be damned either way. Now he better damn well keep Lincecum and Cain and start moving the surplus in the outfield and on the pitching staff for nice bats or this will be all for not. And if it's for not...put him in some cement shoes in the cove.
by sectionop92 on Dec 12, 2007 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by S49erfan on Dec 12, 2007 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Yes, it does when it handcuffs the team from making additional moves (i.e. signing an actual impact free agent stick) in the future.
Having said that, $60 million instead of $85 million over 5 years is much more palatable.
by otis29 on Dec 12, 2007 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Owning baseball teams, yachts and joining exclusive country clubs is how billionaires flash their roll. Jocks do it in clubs in Escalades, and Lambos. Owners buy countries and own the factories that build Escalades and Lamborghinis.
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Andruw Jones
by wilriv21 on Dec 12, 2007 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Meaning he owns a Mr. Potato Head doll.
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants sign Rowand
SAN FRANCISCO -- Aaron Rowand agreed to a $60 million, five-year contract with the San Francisco Giants on Wednesday, giving the club the starting center fielder it sought this winter.
The 30-year-old Rowand is expected to bat fifth for San Francisco after spending the last two seasons with the Philadelphia Phillies.
by fwoty oz on Dec 12, 2007 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Dec 12, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Barry Bonds <del>was</del> still could be
the biggest bargain in professional sports history.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Le sigh...
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 12, 2007 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Le sigh...
by groug on Dec 12, 2007 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Angry Monkey on Dec 12, 2007 1:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by gianator on Dec 12, 2007 1:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 12, 2007 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by midseason i could be singing his praises, but for fanatical fans, this just doesnt make any sense. ill give them a few days to swing some other deal, and then i will start punching anyone who wears orange and black, and that includes the great pumpkin
by son of riles on Dec 12, 2007 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Angry Monkey on Dec 12, 2007 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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This will come in handy whenever orcs invade the city. (insert Dodgers joke here)
by Natto on Dec 12, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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We need a tank. :/
by Gabafnerhagen on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I think we do.
by jponry on Dec 12, 2007 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by southcitysteve on Dec 12, 2007 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by nvsfg on Dec 12, 2007 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Nice work!
by tobias on Dec 12, 2007 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by multiphasic on Dec 12, 2007 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A new spin on a tired reference!
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Move along. Move along!
by oneflapdown on Dec 12, 2007 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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The only ones I give a crap about are Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez (specifically, whether he bring us Matsui).
I'm not particularly optimistic. It's a 50/50 chance that one of these kids has a terrible injury, another 50/50 chance that he has two or three good years and then fizzles completely, and another 50/50 chance that all of them will be as much of an offensive powerhouse as Delino DeShields with all the outfielding prowess of Jose Canseco.
Yeah, they could also all be Miguel Cabreras in center field. The point is, we should be enthused about the kids that give us reason to be enthusiastic, not ones that still have question marks lingering over their heads like they're WoW NPCs.
by Gabafnerhagen on Dec 12, 2007 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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"but i dont want an outfielder!"
"outfielder, outfielder, outfielder..."
by son of riles on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Dec 12, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by ACgiant87 on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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FWIW, Yahoo is reporting 5/60.
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by David Arnott on Dec 12, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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http://www.tangotiger.net/salary2008.html
Rufus on Fire: A Charlotte Bobcats Blog
by David Arnott on Dec 12, 2007 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Most just said. "Does San Francisco still have a team?"
by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Wahoo.
by howtheyscored on Dec 12, 2007 1:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant Voodoo on Dec 12, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Angry Monkey on Dec 12, 2007 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by otis29 on Dec 12, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Dec 12, 2007 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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70! 120! 85! 65! 90!
"Yeah he never learned how to properly negotiate"
by Giant Voodoo on Dec 12, 2007 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by SoFa King Mike on Dec 12, 2007 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Dec 12, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Giants sign Rowand
Defensively, the Giants now have a legit starting centerfielder instead of just hoping Davis is going to step up and take the position. Everyone else on this team screams corner outfielder. Actually, an outfield defensive of Roberts in left, Rowand in Center, and Winn in right will be a marked improvement over what they have had for quite sometime. I know Sabean has been trying to upgrade the up the middle defense and this goes a long way towards that goal. Next step, bench Durham and play Frandsen at second.
In the line-up Rowand projects as, unfortunately, the best hitter they have. He is an above average hitter and is acceptable hitting third, but misplaced at clean up or batting fifth. Problem is that with the huge gaping holes in the 4 and 5 spots, he brings only a marginal improvement in a quest to become an average hitting team. If they move Frandsen to third base and still have Durham's bat in the line up this is a major, major problem. A trade for Roland or Inge would help in the short term. The rumored trade of Durham for Sexson looks like a good gamble to me, with this trade as a precursor.
A cautious thumbs up.
by Sayhey on Dec 12, 2007 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Sayhey on Dec 12, 2007 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Dec 13, 2007 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can he play 3rd Base?
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 12, 2007 3:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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If Sabean actually has a plan to move the OF surplus and some pitchers to fill the 1B/3B holes than this moves only makes me throw up in my mouth only slightly, only slightly.
by southcitysteve on Dec 12, 2007 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by ramirez415 on Dec 12, 2007 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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They also said something about Sabean, at 5 ?
by Merope on Dec 12, 2007 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Yeah. That's me right now.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 12, 2007 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Dec 12, 2007 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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(lather, rinse, repeat)
by nick on Dec 12, 2007 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by dangjackson on Dec 12, 2007 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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That said, if this signing allows him to move some guys for players in areas where we actually NEED help, then fine. Sure, all of those amusement park type fans they have marketed so heavily to may not have recognized the names of the young position players he may or may not bring in..and this certainly adds to the payroll to possibly begin to justify the insane ticket prices to the STHs and everyone else who pays current face value.
Now that all the decent names have fallen off the board, let's see if Sabean has any ability left to swing a good deal or five and keep his nose out of the dumpster. I know...you may say I'm a dreamer...
So right now we have 8 guys that should be seeing time in the OF??:
Rowand
Winn
Roberts
Schierholtz
Davis
Lewis
Ortmier
Velez
and Bowker possibly ready in another season
way to balance it out for the future...man, has Sabean got a lot of work ahead to get some prospects (from here or elsewhere) ABs in this lineup.
by DaStick on Dec 12, 2007 4:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by boonitez on Dec 12, 2007 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by boonitez on Dec 12, 2007 4:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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and by celebration, i mean extreme sorrow.
by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Dec 12, 2007 4:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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