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Why I'm okay with the Omar deal:

The Giants have four gaping lineup holes - shortstop, first, third, and one of the corner outfielder spots. In a perfect world, the team would fill those holes with players who can get on base and hit for power. They only have two or three pitchers to trade for such players, and the free agent market is a nightmare.

They probably won't be able to fill all of the gaping holes, so they should use the resources at their disposal to fill whatever holes they can fill with players who provide both power and on-base skills. It was always a long shot to get one of those players at shortstop. If the Giants had to fill one of those four positions with an all-glove/no-hit player, shortstop was the correct position to concede.

And Omar's cool. We all love Omar. Maybe he'll manage the Giants one day. If I had a choice between Neifi Perez at $500K or Omar at $5.5M, I'd shoot Perez twice. Wait, that's the punch line to a different joke. You get the idea, though. Omar is more watchable than Tomas De La Rosa or Luis Figueroa. It ain't my money, so I choose Omar.

And I'll use the line again because it's the best way to make my point: Kevin Frandsen is a shortstop like Pedro Feliz is a catcher. Emergencies only, people.

And, heck, maybe Omar still has a .270/.340/.370 season left in him.

Why I'm upset with the Omar deal:

This is the first priority? Re-signing a terrible hitter on a team that can't contend because of a terrible offense? Maybe Sabean did his due diligence around the league, and determined that there just weren't any other shortstops that made sense. I doubt it. Omar is Sabean's blue blankie, and Omar's name recognition and public relations value makes it a popular decision for marketing too. This was probably the Post-It note stuck to Sabean's fridge since May.

When the offseason began, the Giants needed to hit .750 in order to have a chance at an average lineup. Now they need to hit 1.000. And the guy in charge of the roster has been in an 0-for-34 slump for a couple of years. The Rajai Davis trade was catcher's interference, so it doesn't count.

Why I'm terrified about the Omar deal:

Because of this kind of hypothetical situation:

Where would Rodriguez fit in if Vizquel came back and the Giants really do pursue A-Rod? Rodriguez moved to third to leave short to Jeter. Maybe he'd move to second, leaving third to Feliz and short to Vizquel.
This didn't catch my attention because of the A-Rod bit, it caught my attention because it assumes that Feliz will be back. Sweet antlered Moses. No. A thousand times, no. The position of half-useless glove man has been filled. Thank you for your application, everybody. If something comes up, we'll call you.

I can live with Omar, but this has to mean that Feliz is not coming back. I'm still silly enough to believe the Giants can cobble together an average 2008 offense that won't hurt their efforts to build a good future offense. The Giants need to trade one of their non-Lincecains for a third baseman if there is any chance for that to happen.

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Re: Title
Yeah, I can live with the Omar deal. I'm not happy about it but it's not the end of the world.

But ugh. If they bring Feliz back... I think it'll pretty much erase any goodwill that Sabean had built up since he was re-signed (draft, Davis, etc.)

And, I think, it should pretty much disprove the notion that Barry Bonds handcuffed him into building a bad supporting roster all those years.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Nov 7, 2007 2:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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The Indians need a left fielder...a possible Winn for Marte deal could be had. If the giants sign fukudome, the loss of winn wouldn't hurt so bad.
Praying nightly that the annual Giants horrid FA pickup is avoided this time around.

by Speedforthewin on Nov 7, 2007 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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I would trade Roberts for Marte but Winn is too high a price to pay for someone the needs to rebound to be considered a real prospect again.

What I would want for Winn is Lillibridge.

by giantsrainman on Nov 7, 2007 5:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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The good news is that the Indians wouldn't trade Marte for Winn, let alone Roberts.

I'm pretty sure the Indians comfortable with getting an 800 OPS from the Michaels/Dellucci platoon. Plus, its a power right handed bat that they want, not necessarily a leftfielder.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 5:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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If the Giants can look to buy low and in sufficient quantity, they could probably find a decent 3B somewhere in the minors.

Scott Moore is blocked by Aramis Ramirez at the major league level and has posted OPSs of 0.839 and 0.899 the last couple of years. He's only 23.

Andy Marte. The guy is still only 23 and he has proved all he can prove in the minors. He has been written off because of three awful stints in the majors. The thing to remember is that none of these stints was longer than a month. To put that into perspective, Pedroia was awful when called up last year and finished April this year with a .191 batting average. Maybe the Giants could stick with Andy a little longer and see if he pulls a Pedroia.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 2:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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I'd like to take a flyer on Marte, but don't forget to point out that he's been pretty bad the last few years in the minors too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Nov 7, 2007 2:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Never overrate the psychological impact being sent down can have on a prospect who has, to some extent, proved that he's ready.

This Indians kept Ryan Garko in AAA after he posted a 900 OPS in his first full stint there. He proceeded to post a 775 OPS in his second AAA stint. But he's proven that he's more than capable of hitting in the big with an 850 OPS in his fist full big league season.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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I like that term... "Pull a Pedroia". But yea, either of those players would be nice non-Felizeses, and we could probably get our hand on Marte for a lower level player. (i.e. Not Lowry)
Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Didn't Moore get traded to Baltimore last year?

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 7, 2007 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Why yes, yes he did.
Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 7, 2007 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

KORY CASTO
I remember hearing Kory Casto's name being bandied about last season as an up and coming prospect. He has a bad 2007 in AAA, but he's always shown decent discipline and has some power potential. Also, he's blocked by Ryan Zimmerman at the major league level.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 2:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
No thanks, 106 strikeouts and only 54 walks in 411 at bats... That scares me.
Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
What kind of talent do you think you can land without trading Tim or Cain? Seriously? Taking fliers on risky candidates and hoping they pan out is a lot better than trading away top tier talent from the Giants system. All these guys are going to have warts.

Another reason I find your response silly is....

  1. Casto's walk rates were much better his previous two years (16% walk rate).
  2. You're complaining about a guy who walked 'only' 54 times in (411+54) plate appearances? Seriously? A 11% walk rate is scaring you? Jeez. Good luck finding anyone much better who'd come close to as cheap.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Haha, I know they are risky, I'm just being really really picky. The walks aren't bad I guess, I just don't like the 25% strike out rate.

I guess, however, that theres a little Carlos Pena in everyone, and who knows. I wasn't knocking you, or Kory Casto, just making my opinion.

Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 3:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
I guess, however, that theres a little Carlos Pena in everyone
Is that like a little "Captain Morgan" ?
My adopted son Matt Downs. He can hit a little.

by nvsfg on Nov 7, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Now that I'm married, I'm not allowed to put my little Carlos Pena in anyone.

by Goofus on Nov 7, 2007 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Yeah, when you got married it killed it for me, too. I was totally living vicariously through your little Carlos Pena.
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2007 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
You wife has lost interest already?  

by giantsrainman on Nov 7, 2007 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Clearly you've never watched a bad sitcom.
Steve Kline: How okay is he, really? I would say he is pretty okay.

by groug on Nov 7, 2007 9:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Why yes, the Office does have quality.  Good observation.
Adopted Giant: Travis Denker. Good?

by scotterduder on Nov 7, 2007 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Opps, that was supose to be a f "qualify" not a t "quality".  

Damm, I can't even avoid a typo when I am making a poor attempt at a joke!  

by giantsrainman on Nov 7, 2007 10:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
I should have said "...anyone but her"

by Goofus on Nov 8, 2007 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: KORY CASTO
Another potential rockstar is Chris Davis of the Rangers system. He's a 21 year old in AA and has amazing power numbers coupled with high strikeout totals. Could be exposed at the major league level, but he's blocked by Hank Blalock on the big league team.

by Nathan on Nov 7, 2007 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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I for one welcome our new (old) Venezuealan overlord.
Billy Hayes: Nine more big-league plate appearances than you.

by delorean on Nov 7, 2007 3:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Before any move is made on Vizquel, Sabean needs to decide how far he'll go to sign A-Rod.  If we decide we want him, I think we should keep SS open in order to be able to offer him something contending teams may not.  If we do end up resigning Omar and by some act of God, we get A-Rod, Durham needs to be offloaded.  No matter what happens, Frandsen needs to start somewhere next year, otherwise the whole "getting younger" theme will be moot and nobody will believe anything Sabean or Magowan ever say again.
The 2008 Giants: Think 2005 Rockies with a payroll twice as big and half as much talent.

by BCsteve on Nov 7, 2007 3:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be a rich man
If I had a nickel for every time someone has said something to the effect of "if Sabean blah blah blahs, I'll never believe anything he says again."

Does anyone here really believe anything he says? Really?

***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Nov 7, 2007 3:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Meh. The only grade we can give a Vizquel deal at this point is "incomplete."  

If this is the first of a series of "at the end of the day, we need solid veteran leadership" deals (among which almost certainly includes a Feliz re-signing), then this was a shitty, shitty deal.

If this is a savvy "let's go with what we know to be a solid fielder at the most important defensive position, offense be damned, because we're going to play a few of the kids while acquiring some young bats with potential" deals, then I'm OK with it.

Hmm, guess which option seems more likely?

"We'll see who's strong enough to be the whipping boy now."

by juanboy on Nov 7, 2007 3:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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It's official.

Shoot me.

Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 3:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Thus spake former McCovenite, AngelVillalonaintheInfield, before he took a slug for the team, yo.
***

Succumb to the Enchanted t-shirt! Adopted dad of Minor Izzy

by hairball on Nov 7, 2007 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Wait, am I a ghost now?

If so, I'll do my best to haunt Sabean.

Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3099365

The San Francisco Giants and 40-year-old shortstop Omar Vizquel reached agreement Wednesday on a one-year contract worth close to $5.5 million.

Next season will be Vizquel's 20th in the majors and fourth as a Giant. The deal also includes a vesting option of 140 games in 2009 at $5.2 million. Vizuel has played in at least 136 games in 12 of his last 13 seasons.

Vizquel, who made $5.1 million last season, hit .246 last season, his lowest average since 2003.

by wilriv21 on Nov 7, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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OH EM GEE. that vesting option sounds ... ugh. It seems like it basically makes this a two year deal. D:
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Nov 7, 2007 3:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Do you think they would emphasize the age if he was under 35? Or if the Giants weren't notorious for being old?

Its like a slap in the face.

Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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The option cracks me up. It's not as funny as the option on Zito's eighth year, but still.

by Evan on Nov 7, 2007 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do not vest
Aurilia and maybe even Frandsen will being some action at SS come August and September.

by wilriv21 on Nov 7, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Those vesting options always seem like a ripe opportunity for hanky panky by the team in question. What if Vizquel gets to 139 games with a week to play, and is physically fine? You don't think there wouldn't be a lot of pressure on Bochy to start Frandsen/Feliz/Aurilia/Lowry at SS to save the $5.5 million for 2009?
Lon Simmons' adopted dad.

by Kitspool on Nov 7, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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5.5 million? Bonehead move. Save the cash, play some sucky aaa guy and then spend the cash on the draft or international signings.
Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.

by irwin on Nov 7, 2007 3:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Wow, boneheaded enough to lure you out of posting semiretirement? I guess Sabean has accomplished something today after all.

by Evan on Nov 7, 2007 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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I was just thinking about irwin the other day. I'm sure you hate being remembered as "plea to the McCoven" guy, but there's beenz sum dramaz from the post-season doldrums, and I was reminded.

It's not bad at all now, though, so I didn't re-up the whole plea idea.

Still, nice to see you around! If it's better, I tend to always think of you more as "he of the reasonable and well balanced opinion" than the "plea" guy. I'll take more irwin, plz.

Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2007 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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+1 to irwin!
The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Nov 8, 2007 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Thanks, mostly I haven't posted much b/c

1.) New job is ~80 hrs a week. I didn't even have time to watch Lincecum in Fresno!
2.) No DSL at home, internet access monitored at work. Also, I listened to most games on Radio, if at all. I watched very few games on TV.
3.) I am working on a book entitled "Death by 1000 paper cuts: The San Francisco Giants from 2003-2007" Ok, not really. But someone should.

Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.

by irwin on Nov 8, 2007 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Wishful thinking on how this might make more sense.  Key word "more" not "sense".

What if this deal now reported to be 1 year $5.5M with $5.2M vesting option for 2009 at 140 games played eliminates the $1.75M still owed to Vizquel from his previous deal ($1.75M Signing bonus with $1M payable in 2008 and $.75M payable in 2009) and is structured with $4.75M salary for 2008 and $5.2M salary for 2009 or $.75M buyout?

Just hoping for the best or perhaps more likely just spitting into the wind.  

by giantsrainman on Nov 7, 2007 4:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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$5.5M is nothing to sneeze at. I keep hearing how harmless it is, but that's a fairly significant amount of money now spent towards no improvement.

by mxmob33 on Nov 7, 2007 4:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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"When the offseason began, the Giants needed to hit .750 in order to have a chance at an average lineup. Now they need to hit 1.000."
--Grant

"You understand everything."
--Nazorine (from "The Godfather")

by Cleophus on Nov 7, 2007 4:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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I'm kind of annoyed that they came to terms with this so quickly.  One of the things that could've lured A-rod here was the option of playing SS.  However, with his fatass contract, I doubt he'll care.  Either way, if we sign Feliz, I'm gonna kill somebody.

by boonitez on Nov 7, 2007 4:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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What now we have to bring this 200+ post conversation over here?  

Grant, you arrogant son of a gun! (The one that shot AngelVillalonaintheInfield)

:p

Only 972 games until the end of Zito's contract.

by thehavenot on Nov 7, 2007 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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So I am a ghost! Dead and gone, just like 2008 in SF!
Angel Villalona: A younger, better hitting Pedro Feliz. Rajai Davis: A younger, better everything Dave Roberts.

by AngelintheInfield on Nov 7, 2007 9:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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If this was the last, and I mean final move we made this offseason, then I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it.  But a raise?  And the first order of business?  The only way we are ever going to win a championship with Sabean at the helm is if it falls in our lap.  And I have been one of the biggest Sabean-apologists.  GAH!
Brian Wilson for Closer!

by BawLa on Nov 7, 2007 5:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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This is just another frustratingly unimaginitive move by Sabean.  Rather than overpaying Omar, he needs to be working on possible trades, dumpster dives, whatever. If he can't find a young SS to trade for at a reasonable price, I'd rather just bring in a minor league FA at minimum salary than waste my money of Vizquel(don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching Omar play, but he is done.  Time to move on.

I just don't see how next year's team is going to be any better with Feliz and Vizquel on the left side of the infield.  All the trade talk is about acquiring OF's.  Well, we already have a logjam of OF's!  We might be able to upgrade the OF a bit, but that still leaves us with a disaster in the IF.  

It just looks like Sabean is up to his old tricks of playing for 1 year at a time and blocking prospects with mediocre vets.

by DrBGiantsfan on Nov 7, 2007 6:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sabean signs Omar
I agree with every word of this, Doc. It's frustrating, it's unimaginative, and it's just like vintage Sabean.
The SF Giants: agressively promoting young talent since 2008.

by Lyle on Nov 8, 2007 6:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Sabean is, indeed, an idiot.

by Pete Koel on Nov 7, 2007 7:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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by David Arnott on Nov 7, 2007 8:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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There's been a lot of talk here about the new TV contract meaning teams will be spending a lot more on salaries.  Maybe Sabean is closer to the economics and thinks signing Omar early for $5.5 million is prudent based on where he thinks salaries are headed.

by Goofus on Nov 7, 2007 8:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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This is probably true. The first few free agent signings of the winter always seem nuts, because we don't know where the salary scale is going yet.

Which is not to say that there aren't other shortstops out there who could do as well or better than Vizquel for less money.

by Evan on Nov 8, 2007 7:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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No team in baseball should give the worst offensive regular in baseball a raise at the age of 41, with a vesting option. Keeping Viquel for one year is fine - giving him $5.5 million is idiocy.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Nov 7, 2007 8:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Screw it, I like it
It ain't my money. There is not even a D+ shortstop prospect at AA or AAA. Someone has to stop all those balls from going into the outfield, and if it's three million more than this year's version of Deivi Cruz, so be it. He's fun to watch, he's a great interview, he's smart and personable, and if there's anything at all to that whole cringeworthy "veteran leadership" thing, well, this guy is our best bet for having a bushel of it. Whatever it may actually be.

The option, though, is silly.

Proud member of the Adopt-a-Marlin program (Todd Linden)

by antinous on Nov 7, 2007 9:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Screw it, I like it
Au contraire.  There are 2 AAA SSs in the Giants system that could AT LEAST duplicate the '07 version of Omar - for about 1/15 the money - and a realistic possibility of hitting at Omar's career numbers (which Omar is exceedingly unlikely to do).  Then take the $5.1 mil savings and get veteran savvy in the bull pen.

by allfrank on Nov 7, 2007 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Screw it, I like it
If 08 is truly going to be a waste, then don't we have a 4.5 million player on the bench who can play shortstop?

by ResDog on Nov 8, 2007 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Commenting on..."Where would Rodriguez fit in if Vizquel came back and the Giants really do pursue A-Rod? Rodriguez moved to third to leave short to Jeter. Maybe he'd move to second, leaving third to Feliz and short to Vizquel."

What about this scenario...dont jump down my throat, here me out.  You resign both Omar and Feliz, sign A-Rod and play Fransden from day one.  You trade Durham to any taker, and that leaves you with A-Rod (3rd), Omar (SS), K-Fran(2nd) and Feliz(1st).  Sounds like a doable infield for next season.  Or alternate version is....you DONT resign Feliz, you still trade Durham, possibly for Sexton (could be a 1 for 1 + cash trade)and that leaves you with A-Rod   (3rd), Omar (SS), K-Fran(2nd) and Sexton(1st).  

by djperalta on Nov 7, 2007 10:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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signing Feliz and then playing him at first is about the dumbest thing you can do. ALL of his value comes from the fact that he plays a +20 third base. You take that away, and he's worthless.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.

by jponry on Nov 8, 2007 4:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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Agreed!  But I do think that you are underestimating the "dumbness" of Sab's.  From his perspective, I could see that being a possibility in his eyes.  

by djperalta on Nov 8, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Par for the Sabean Course
This shouldn't come as a surprise to any of us.  Sabean historically is extremely risk averse about getting caught empty-handed as the free agent season moves along.  Every year he makes dumb, over-priced moves at the very beginning of the market.  When he buys a car, he buys the outgoing model right before the new model year . . . and pays twice sticker because the salesman told him that the new models are bad cars and in short supply.

by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 8, 2007 5:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Who the heck is the competition for Vizquel(or Feliz,for that matter)? Was some other GM lurking with a 5.4 million dollar plus vesting offer for Vizquel, so the Giants just had to up the ante? Sheesh, that is a lot of scratch for a nice guy with diminishing range who could wind up with a sup .600 OPS next year.  

by Pete Koel on Nov 8, 2007 5:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Que' es mas estupido?

1 yr.@$5.6M + option for Vizquel?

- or -

Kick Bonds to the curb?

It's like a Sabean roster is based on a dare.

by zenbitz on Nov 8, 2007 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Since hitting .246 and getting one year older is grounds for a raise... ONLY IN BRIAN SABEANS WORLD

I could be a better GM than him

by lmaozedong on Nov 8, 2007 9:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hope
Grant was right about one thing, this trade does not ruin the offseason. if Sabean remembers to get his brain from home before doing anymore signings or deals, he'll offer a Sanchez/Hennessey package to the Reds or Rays for Edwin or Iwamura, respectively AND do what it takes to get durham in seattle for sexson. Granted, when was the last time sabean did something smart. One can hope. While i'm at it, i'm hoping that the giants sign a reliever out of the class of Mahay/Gagne/Linebrink. But faith in sabean is rewarded with talk of keeping feliz... shoot me now.
Praying nightly that the annual Giants horrid FA pickup is avoided this time around.

by Speedforthewin on Nov 8, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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Feliz would make one of the best bench players in the league if they just put him there.  The guy mashes lefties, and plays every infield position, plus left field.  Let's sign him... and not play him unless people get hurt or we need a sac fly off of a lefty late in the game
If Brad Hennesy had Steve Kline's attitude you'd get Rob Nen... without the triple digit heat.

by milesntrane on Nov 8, 2007 11:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mashes Lefties?
What's your definition of "mash"?  

Pedro against lefties in 2007:  .257/.298/.368, 2 HRs in 152 ABs.  

Over the last three seasons:  .247/.302/.403, 11 HRs in 417 ABs.  

He actually has substantially more HRs/AB over the last three years as a righty, albeit with nearly identical OBP numbers that cause us to love him so much.  

You can find these useful stats on ESPN.com.

The Giants are doomed to have another massively awful season, with 100 losses not unlikely (in the post-Bonds era) unless they do throw 8 years/$240MM at A-Rod (in which case they will be able to approach mediocrity).  They ought to play Frandsen at 3rd, platoon Schierholtz and Aurilia at first, let Durham play out the string at second, and spend every available nickel re-inforcing the minor league systems and signing international free agents.

by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 8, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Omar, but ... DAMMIT!
As a charter seat licenseholder and season ticketholder,  I was actually considering not renewing next year and just letting the whole thing go.  I was thinking it was voting with my feet or voting with my dollars or whatever metaphor you prefer about customers expressing preference.  I just got an email today saying that invoices for next year are coming soon and so on.  The truth is that I have been so pissed about how this team has been managed at the g.m. level that I just don't see a point to forking out thousands of dollars for 81 games of CRAP.

But then I was thinking, well, it would be great to see a team through the rebuild and emerge on the other end as successful, World Series winners, Leeann Tweeden bait, etc.  

But god DAMN, this Omar news sure pours ice water on those romantic notions of rooting for the underdogs until they get good.  This route is just rooting for underdogs until they get Social Security.  Feh.  That's right, I said a phonetic representation of a Yiddish sound indicating dismissiveness, and I will damn well stand by my phonetic representation of a Yiddish sound indicating dismissiveness.

Next year, I might just be Mayor of My Living Room.  Those bastards.

With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Nov 8, 2007 1:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Let me help you out with that one...
SJ Giants, 2007 Cal League champs! Couldn't have done it without the All-Father.

by EliminateMe on Nov 8, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I like Omar, but ... DAMMIT!
I stopped renewing my season tickets about 3 years ago, in part because of their ever-increasing cost, but mostly because I felt like the Giants didn't (and still do not) have a plan, and lie to their fans about any plan or new direction.

Try not renewing -- you'll feel much better!  I did. :-)

by Cleophus on Nov 8, 2007 4:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I like Omar, but ... DAMMIT!
It's a tougher call when the Giants are into you for the charter seat license.  I suppose one could figure that the seat license fee has been fully amortized over the last eight seasons, but it's tought to waive goodbye to that right.  Not sure what the market is for seat licenses these days--I expect the premium club seats still have value, but for mere mortals . . . .

by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 8, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: I like Omar, but ... DAMMIT!
Yeah, I have done zero market research for the license, but am willing to believe that it would literally be in the area of $100 each, hardly worth bothering with.
With the season over, I release my adoptee Brian Sabean. Good luck in the world, little buddy.

by Mayor of 311 on Nov 8, 2007 8:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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