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Gah.

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It's easy to be snarky about the Giants' offense. Really easy. It's easy to dismiss the offense's potential to be even average. Really, really easy. In fact, let's all take a moment to dismiss the offense's potential to be average.

...

Man, that's easy. This offense stinks. But follow me for a bit:

  • I'm okay with Bengie Molina at catcher. He provides a little pop at a position where a lot of teams punt offense. The on-base percentage drags him down to average or just below average, but he isn't the biggest problem for the Giants.
  • I'm okay with Kevin Frandsen at second. His hot September shouldn't count more than the bad months, but I'm willing to believe there's a correlation between the increased productivity and the regular at-bats. He's a career .328/.393/.459 hitter in the minors; if he did that in the Braves' system, we'd all want to trade for him.
  • I'm okay with Rajai Davis and Fred Lewis handling center. They have a nice righty/lefty complement going, and they have the potential to be an above-average tandem. If Dave Roberts gets the bulk of the at-bats over Lewis, which seems more likely, we can at least hope for the second-half Dave Roberts (.291/.362/.388).
  • I'm okay with Randy Winn in left. I'm even okay with him in right if Sabean fills left field with a power hitter. As long as he hits close to what he did last year, he's an average corner outfielder.
That's half the lineup. It's a pile of average, but it beats a pile of wretched. A pile of wretched is what the lineup is given credit for. A pile of wretched is what you get when you combine those four spots with Rich Aurilia, Pedro Feliz, an over-the-hill Omar Vizquel, and a second punchless corner outfielder.

So the point of the offseason is to fill the holes at first, third, short, and the remaining corner outfield spot with productive hitters. Easier written than done, to be sure, but Sabean has to at least try. He can trade two from a list of Noah Lowry, Pat Misch, Jonathan Sanchez, and Kevin Correia. Maybe Brad Hennessey has enough trade value to bring back a guy like Akinori Iwamura. Maybe Seattle really would want to give away Richie Sexson. Maybe, maybe, maybe. It's the offseason. I can live with the maybes for now.

But if Sabean starts the offseason by filling two of the four holes with the same wretched no-hit players who helped ruin the offense last year, it would be a total failure of imagination. He'll have failed in a spectacular way. That link absolutely terrifies me. It can't be true.

I'm not buying it yet. There might be a scenario where Feliz's glove is worth re-signing, and the same goes for Vizquel. It's hard to imagine, but you can't just say, "Those guys? Gone. They were terrible, and we're moving in a different direction," in November. I'm going to hope that Sabean is just being political and not limiting his possibilities.

It would take a long and convoluted string of transactions to make Feliz and Vizquel both useful to the 2008 Giants. It would be an unlikely string of transactions. Starting with Feliz and Vizquel first would be like buying a new car first and a lottery ticket second.  Please don't crush my hopes within two weeks of the World Series, Brian. Please. Have a heart.

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Re: Gah.
Vizquel maybe, because shortstop options are so limited.  But Feliz?  No!  No!  No!  
Zealously advocating for Nate the Great since 2007.

by orangeandblackattack on Nov 2, 2007 12:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
oh because outside of the alarm-inducing awesomeness, the third base options are so much better?
Pedro Feliz: Marginally better this year.

by SloIsLonelyForTheOrange on Nov 2, 2007 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
I'm more OK with Vizquel than with Randy Winn.  That guy only exceeds replacement value if he's playing a decent CF.

by achiappanza on Nov 3, 2007 5:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Horse pucky!  Randy Winn has a career average OPS+ of 104 and is an average corner outfielder in almost every season he has played and was above average in both 2005 and 2007.  Randy is now where near a replacement level player.  Please stop with the over hating on the Giants.  They are bad enough as is without the need to exagurate how bad they are to this kind of extent.

by giantsrainman on Nov 3, 2007 5:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.

I am OK with EITHER Winn in Left OR Davis/Lewis.
Both seems betting on the 'Under'.

Frandsen/Molina is fine.  Not "plus" but fine.

I am not even going to comment on the folly of entertaining another year of Feliz OR Vizquel.

What this team could use is a good 1 year stop-gap in left.  High OBP, good slug, playing time and defense would be gravy.

Hmmm... where could we have gotten a player like that?

I put the odds of (OF snarking aside) of the Giants gets league avg. production out of 3B and 1B at 250:1.

They might get league average SS by sheer luck, but league av. SS isn't really going to bring up the bar.

by zenbitz on Nov 2, 2007 12:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
I would not mind having Feliz around if he took the utility role from Aurilla.  I do not see that happening though.

Just pulled this off rotoworld and it made my stomach churn:

According to Tracy Ringolsby, the Giants have "let it be known that Tim Lincecum, their No. 1 pick in 2006, can be had for a quality bat."
Maybe he has Lincecum confused with Noah Lowry. He simply cannot be had for a quality bat. Maybe he'll be available in return for an exceptional bat. The only player we can think of that qualifies and might be available is Miguel Cabrera.

Whatcha gonna do when Lincecumania runs wild on you?

by ZeeGerman on Nov 2, 2007 12:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
i just read that today too, and i really hope it is false information.

by travis j bagdad on Nov 2, 2007 6:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
How about Feliz at Shortstop?

by lunaticfringe1 on Nov 2, 2007 12:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
How about a swift kick in the gonads?
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 2:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
It would be a better overall choice (offensively and defensively combined) the Omar.  I think Feliz would be an above average defensive SS and an average offensive SS.

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 2:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
The gaping hole in the Giants lineup and defense is the right side of the infield - not at short and third. I'd much rather have the Giants go for a major upgrade and sign ARod, but I still don't think that is going to happen. If not, it wouldn't be horrible to have Feliz and Vizquel back. It will be horrible to have Durham play like he did last year, or Frandsen if his September was just a fluke. Ortmeier could be the answer at first if I squint real hard through my rose-colored glasses, but it is more likely he is a mediocre to bad hitter who really doesn't know anything about playing the position. The worst possible outcome? The Giants play Aurelia, Frandsen, Durham, and Ortmeier as regulars. The worst hitting and the worst fielding infield in the majors. That's rebuilding?

The outfield is not bad - if you had sluggers elsewhere. Lots of speed and defense, and an intriguing young trio of Fred, Raj, and Nate. The fewest homeruns by any team's outfield in the entire majors?

I'm still betting the Giants set the record for most 1-0 losses in a season and break 100 for the year.

by Sayhey on Nov 2, 2007 1:06 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
The only way it makes sense for the Giants to get A-Rod is if they increase payroll to $130 Million.  Otherwise, we can kiss that idea goodbye.  I personally wouldn't mind Feliz and Vizquel back if we could plug in some exceptional bats at first and left field.  Who can fill those spots?  That's the biggest issue we face right now...NOBODY!
Go see my Giants blog at http://www.michaelnewjr.com

by Mike New on Nov 2, 2007 1:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Based on some more rumors coming in my second guess on what our "Brain Dead" GM is likely to do is the following:

LineUp:
Roberts LF
Davis RF
Torii Hunter CF
Miguel Cabrera 1B (Trade Lincecum and Winn)
Molina C
Durham 2B
Feliz 3B
Vizquel SS

Bench:
2 of Schierholtz, Lewis, and/or Ortmeier OF
Frandsen IF
Aurilia IF
Alfonzo or Rodriguez C

I can tolorate this a little better but it is still too little return for Lincecum (just 2 years of Cabrera).  If we trade Cain or Lincecum whom we have under our control for 4 and 6 years respectively we need to get a BigBat we can control for at least as long and costs the same or less in dollars.    

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 2:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
"If we trade Cain or Lincecum whom we have under our control for 4 and 6 years respectively we need to get a BigBat we can control for at least as long and costs the same or less in dollars."

I'd have to see an example of a "BigBat" in that catagory to believe that it exsists.

Fairley odd parent to Wendell...

by Mark carry on on Nov 2, 2007 2:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Think Marlins' SS not their 3B.  Think Mets' 3B.  Think Brewers 1B or 3B.  Think Astros' or Tigers' CF.  There are many and these are the only types of targets we should consider trading Cain or Lincecum for.

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 2:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And most of these targets are unavailable,
with the exception of the Marlins' players.

by rfloh on Nov 3, 2007 12:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Unless they sign Alex Rodriguez and bring back Barry Bonds, the Giants should likely be making moves to benefit the upcoming decade IMO.

The Giants' pitching should continue to improve, but the Giants as constituted would very likely struggle to score four runs per game.

Ask Matt Cain how THAT feels.  :)

by sharksrog on Nov 2, 2007 2:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
I agree 100% that 2B, CF, C, and Winn are all look in the "not the problem" category for next year, and that 1B, non-Winn corner, 3B, and SS are the positions for Sabes to focus on, the ones where we could use a major upgrade.

Sabes has a long history however of putting major resources towards a minor upgrade over the young (or young-ish) position player who looks like he is ready to be average next season, like he is the least of our problems.

Why make trade valuable pitchers to replace Santiago with  Pierzynski, and why put so much money into Mike Matheny a year later - why not just give the job to Yorvit?

Why put all sorts of money into signing Edgardo Alfonzo - why not just give the job to Feliz?

Why sign Michael Tucker?  Why not just re-sign Jose Cruz (muffed catch notwithstanding)?

In other words, my reading of Sabean's track record is that he probably has less confidence in Fransden or Davis/Lewis than in Dreamy or Fleas, and that he considers 2B and CF to be as much areas that need improvement as 3B and 1B do, and that we are as likely to see a useless Andruw Jones signing as we are a quite helpful ARod signing, and that he may think [a little hyperbole here] that trading for Luis Castillo or Mark Grudzielanek would be as helpful as trading for Sexson.

I hope I'm wrong.

by SnowLeopard on Nov 2, 2007 2:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
I guess I'm alone in the hopes of the Giants retaining Pete at 3B.  I for one do not want to see another HUGE contract thrown at AROD, one that will make Zito's look very small, and I definitely don't want to see Lowell, as Feliz is better defensively, and, out of the 7 hole, (and hopefully with some hard work from Lansford) adequate offensively.  Keep Feliz until Villalona's ready.  Feliz will come for penny's on the dollar in comparison to the other options (AROD or Lowell are really the only ones).

I really don't want to see them resign Vizquel, as much as I love him as a player, but there really aren't any other options readily available.  I'd rather see Lowry/Sanchez bring back a good 1B.

And if Sabean trades Lincecum for anyone other than Jose Reyes or Hanley Ramirez, I may think hard about loyally following Tim's new club.

Matt Cain, cleanup hitter or starting pitcher?

by cain1rstballothof on Nov 2, 2007 8:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
In the stark winter of 2007-8, his reputation and his roster reeling near a hellish abyss, Brian Sabean lives daily with the potential nightmare of coming up empty in free agent dealings AND losing his loyal soldiers -- Feliz and Vizquel.

Though loaded with cash, Sabean's interest was sadly unrequited during the initial wave of high profile free agent pursuits last year. He will not forget that lonely, chilly, unloved feeling.

I'm betting Sabean feels he absolutely MUST fill the larder right now, before Nov. 12, with a few easily snaggable warm bodies -- bodies predisposed to sign and stay right here, where they are comfortable.

So brace yourselves, Grant and Co. The left side of the infield will be quickly signed, and, all things considered, inexpensively. One reason Sabean likes the two incumbents is they will not break his budget, either individually or collectively. Their relatively cheap signings might even allow the picking up other players, later, at the same positions.

And because Omar and Pedro are real major league commodities, the potential is there for them to be offered later this offseason to other nervous teams that come up short as the regular season approaches.

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 9:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
Who are you and what have you done with the Moggeee I've come to know and love.

QUICK...someone get me a whole Cod to slap him upside the head with!

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 2, 2007 9:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
I'm all out of Cod. Will you accept a Sunfish?
Dave Righetti: You Know You Want It. / Also, my blog. For writers.

by howtheyscored on Nov 2, 2007 10:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cod darned if I do, Fishwhipped if I don't
Grant respectfully complained the other day that his deeply-thunked-out pieces get hijacked in every conceivable direction by the mokes on this site.

So for the first time in about a year, I was just trying to stay on topic.

End of Experiment.

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 10:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Cod darned if I do, Fishwhipped if I don't
Hey Moggs....CATCH!

Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 3, 2007 12:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Cod darned if I do, Fishwhipped if I don't
I'm not sure what comment you're referring to, but I didn't mean to imply that. I don't mind hijacked threads at all.

by Grant on Nov 3, 2007 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Putting myself on report, and ice
Sorry, Chief. I just scanned it again. You were bellyaching about loathsome Spoilers, not our beloved Hijackers.

I'll just retire to my fishing igloo for a spell.

by Moggeee on Nov 3, 2007 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
Sunfish works!  Gracias.
Screw the Giants, but not Omar. I'm getting drunk and watching some footy.

by PacBellBoozer on Nov 3, 2007 12:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
It was a nice post, but it was also inaccurate. If you sign Feliz and Vizquel you can't trade them until next July 31. You can't sign them and trade them later this offseason.
BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2007 6:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Omar, especially, is remarkably well preserved
Then Plan 3-C kicks in; Put them in the ice-lined creel until the July Dead-Fish-Swap Deadline approaches.

by Moggeee on Nov 3, 2007 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Omar, especially, is remarkably well preserved
and then on August 1 we can wake up and find out that Brian Sabean was somehow unable to move them yet again. Omar gave his "only a starting job with a contender" speech, and nobody wants Feliz except for us.
BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 5, 2007 7:41 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah-Gah: Sabean May Assume a Fetal Position
We are indeed smoking the same "substance".  

I find myself in complete agreement.  Way back to the Neifi signing Sabean's pattern of wasting dollars on insurance policies rather then realizing that players of this skill level are always available both later and cheaper is one of the bigest things that pisses me off about Sabean.  Not as much as beliveing that multiple 5 average talents are worth more then one superstar but almost as much.

by giantsrainman on Nov 2, 2007 10:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Roberts ain't that bad
Roberts:

3 seasons prior:  .277/.352/.401/.753
Second Half 2007: .291/.362/.388/.750

So basically in the first half, when his arm hurt so bad that he eventually needed surgery, he was hitting poorly.  In the second half, once he was properly recovered, he hit approximately what he had hit in his previous 3 seasons.

People like to knock him and put him down, but he has been a good hitter over those years.  His BB/K ratio was a good 0.85 and it was 0.74 in the second half, plus 0.80 in the final two months.  The top hitters have a ratio over 1.00.

In addition, the best hitters have a good BB/K ratio AND a good BB%.  His BB% was 10.4% in those 3 seasons, 10.0% in the second half.  The best hitters have a BB% over 10%.

So cut Roberts a break, he has been a good hitter, just not a elite hitter, but for $6M per year, you are not really paying for an elite hitter.  

Plus he has been an elite basestealer and people are totally missing the effect he can have on our farm system if he is teaching all our young speedsters.  He can steal more bases just by teaching them how to steal bases more successfully, meaning they have have the same attempts, but have less caught stealings.

And he was considered an elite fielding LF in 2006, so our OF defense should rise greatly with Bonds no longer out there.

"I'm a Giant now... I like watching the ball get up there" - Wendell Fairley "I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Nov 2, 2007 10:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Bonds out and Roberts' stock is up
Roberts, if he is healthy, should be the Giants' main threat to score runs in 2008, because he combines jackrabbit speed with a doctorate in savvy base stealing.

Without Bonds, it is a given the Giants will have to manufacture runs. The stage is set for this guy. He may be instrumental in helping this power-poor team avoid the many shutouts which loom in our 2008 horoscope.

by Moggeee on Nov 2, 2007 10:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Roberts ain't that bad
I'm pretty skeptical about the idea that having Roberts around is going to teach anyone anything about base stealing. I always hoped that fifteen years of having Barry Bonds around would teach the rest of the team about the value of working the count and drawing walks, but ... not so much.

Anyway, I agree that Roberts is still a useful player, and I think he'll have some trade value if we hang on to him till midseason.

by Evan on Nov 3, 2007 5:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Roberts ain't that bad
Maury Wills took him under his wing and taught him something about base stealing. Who is to say he can't pass it on? If fact, I'd love the Giants to make him a player/coach in charge of teaching all the young speedsters how to steal a base. Whether he plays as a starter or as an expensive backup is another question altogether.

by Sayhey on Nov 3, 2007 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
I liked Grant's line about how if Frandsen accumulated his minor league numbers with the Braves, all us Giants' fans would want him. It's so true. The other man's grass is always greener than our own. I was down on Frandsen earlier in the season when he was a double play machine, but that is what kids do. They go into slumps and then hopefully get a chance to work their way out of them. I would love to see Frandsen, Nate, Rajai, Eugenio, and Ort in the Opening Day lineup next year and find out if they're players. Do they really think we would rather see the same tired veterans?? And with all the kids in the lineup, you actually COULD afford ARod, although if they truly went into a total rebuild I can understand them not signing him.
BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2007 6:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
"Frandsen, Nate, Rajai, Eugenio, and Ort in the Opening Day lineup next year"

Where? At SS, RF, CF, 2B and 1B? Or like 2B, LF, CF, RF, 1B?

With recent talk of resigning Vizquel, I've been wondering if it's worthwhile to give Fransden a month or so at MLB to try SS, while we test Durham at 2B.  If Durham can't return to around a 800 OPS and comes back in 2008 with his 66 or whatever OPS+ for the first month(s), I would tend to think DFA.  At the same time if Fransden is abysmal at SS the first month(s) he would be moved to 2B or 3B.  Sort of a dual test to play out over ST and the beginning of a "rebuilding season".  What do the giants have to lose (aside from 100 games)?

I don't think necessarily that Fransden's offense+defense at SS is greater than Omar's o+d.  But I would like to see player's on the roster that we are already stuck with either traded or played, rather than benched for marginal improvements that don't actual make the Giants a winning team.

by kennv on Nov 3, 2007 8:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Yep, I agree with you. If you know you're not going to win next year, why are you bringing back a 41 year old shortstop?? I seriously doubt that Lincecum and Cain are going to become mental cases if Frandsen boots a ground ball or two. Those guys are strikeout pitchers anyway, they will be less affected by lousy fielding than guys like Lowry and Zito anyway, and those vets should be able to accept and pitch around the occasional miscue. Brian Sabean should be looking around for a young Omar Vizquel in the trade market, not looking to bring back the ancient one. If he can't find one, play Frandsen, and hope that Bocock, Burris or Culberson will eventually be able to solve the problem.
BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 3, 2007 10:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Central Cali
"Frandsen, Nate, Rajai, Eugenio, and Ort in the Opening Day lineup next year"

Where? At SS, RF, CF, 2B and 1B? Or like 2B, LF, CF, RF, 1B?

Nah, if they all are to be in an Opening Day lineup, probably Fresno.

by wilriv21 on Nov 3, 2007 6:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Not usually the biggest fan of comprehensive, far-ranging "here is what I would do if I was sitting at Sabes' desk" posts, but, here it is : what maybe I would do if I was sitting at Sabes' desk.
  • Trade Durham anywhere that will take his salary in exchange for some minor league baubles (StL, Sea, ChiSx, etc).
  • Three way trade : we send Zito (full salary) to the Yankees, and we send minor league baubles to Oakland.  Yankees send minor league baubles to Oakland.  Oakland sends Dan Johnson to us.
  • Sign Barry for $8mx1y
  • Sign AROD for $32mx8y
  • Sign either Dreamy ($2mx1) or Fleas ($4mx1), depending on whether AROD can play SS
Lineup:
CF Lewis/Davis
RF Winn
LF Bonds
IF AROD
1B Johnson
C  Molina
2B Fransden
IF Fleas or Dreamy

SP
Cain
Lincecum
Lowery
Sanchez
Correia

Total salary = ~ 2007 + $10m
Minor league system = drained a little
Offense = saved from being record-breakingly bad

by SnowLeopard on Nov 3, 2007 12:34 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
P.S. Marketing/media-frenzy angle : two misunderstood, selfish, best-players-in-the-game all-time-home-run-champs on one team, batting back to back, one at the end of his sixteen-year run in SF, the other at the beginning of his eight-year run.  Oh, the drama!

P.P.S. Was I the only one turned off by Sabes' one word response to being asked about re-signing #25 : a dry "No".  I mean, I get that BLB is a pain in the ass, and that their sick of his shit and all, but, really, I get sick of Sabes' cocky smarm (especially given his massive truckload of fail as of late), and I think that's no way to treat "The Franchise 93-06 (tm)".

by SnowLeopard on Nov 3, 2007 12:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
FWIW, Sabean's not prepared to give Omar a second year.

I don't see anything wrong with using him as a 1-year stopgap.  I mean, we could put Frandsen at SS and Velez at 2B, but that could amount to being the worst defensive tandem in the Majors.

Omar's fine by me.  I'd rather see a Lillibridge, Cabrera, Betancourt, Lowrie, etc. etc., but having Omar around for a year is no big deal.

Brian Anderson: I can has spot in Fresno 'pen?

by Anticon23 on Nov 3, 2007 5:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Gah.
No. If Frandsen can't handle the job defensively, I would look on other team's scrap heaps before re-signing Vizquel. I love watching him play defense, but he was the third-worst hitter in the majors (159th out of 161 -- the really ugly part is Durham was 158th). Some truly awful players, like say Juan Uribe, would actually make for a significant upgrade. Perhaps there's a way to pry Betancourt away from the Mariners....

by taliesin on Nov 3, 2007 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
Yep. He's a great shortstop and a really nice guy, but there's no place here for sentimentality. It's time to move on. A team with a pathetic offense can't afford to re-sign any players that are pathetic hitters.
BRING ME ALEX RODRIGUEZ!!

by rxmeister on Nov 5, 2007 7:43 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Re: Gah.
If Franny is better defensively at second than Velez or Durham, wouldn't it make more sense to leave him at second and try Velez at short?

Just riffing here.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 5, 2007 7:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

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