Giants reportedly after Torii
Scroll down a bit through the Vikings-talk to see this semi-official rumour (which I hope is not true):
http://www.twincities.com/ci_7142263?source=most_viewed&nclick_check=1
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Re: Giants reportedly after Torii
by biff pocoroba on Oct 11, 2007 11:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 11, 2007 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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It's all my fault really. Thanksgiving 1996 I sent him an email Begging him not to get JT Snow...
Really, that's the truth. I am sure circumstantial evidence of this exists in the usenet archives...
by zenbitz on Oct 11, 2007 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early Days of the Internet
In those days, email was in its experimental stage, and was delivered by frisky poodles wearing knapsacks.
by Moggeee on Oct 11, 2007 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by llamalimbo1 on Oct 11, 2007 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2007 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this what you're looking for?
by EliminateMe on Oct 11, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The image isn't working for me...
by WalrusMan on Oct 11, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: This Just In.....
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 11, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: This Just In.....
by nvsfg on Oct 11, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or this?
by wjackalope on Oct 11, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sfgfan on Oct 11, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Oct 11, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GameSix on Oct 11, 2007 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Oct 11, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigO on Oct 11, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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To me, a rumor is when someone cites a source (anything) named or unnamed. It has to originate from somewhere. A rumor isn't when a news writer says, "I think this team needs an outfielder, that make Torii a possibility."
by sfgfan on Oct 11, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was coming from
by rfloh on Oct 11, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't confuse quanity for quality
by wilriv21 on Oct 11, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Oct 11, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by wilriv21 on Oct 11, 2007 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
Giants Outfield talent > Giants infield talent.
FA outfield talent > FA infield talent.
Double fudge brownies... Angela...
In the end, something's gotta give. Because that's one helluva lot of holes to fill. Personally speaking, I'd prefer they look for a left side of the infield, and trot out a younger outfield. But honestly, I don't know where I'd even begin, let alone end! I'm just curious as hell to see what happens next. I just don't want to go into next season as angry about the offense as I was at the start of 07.
by JRPhillips on Oct 11, 2007 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
by wilriv21 on Oct 11, 2007 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I have always been a closet Blalock fan, but the guy did have a rib removed from his body this season. He would cost about the same as "Abe" Feliz, and he's light on defensive skill. He hit well in 2007 until the injury. Matter of fact he hit career bests in OBP/SLG/OPS at .293/.358/.543/.901, his career numbers are less impressive, .273/.337/.462/.799, but still better than Feliz (except HR's).
No to fat guys from Florida that eat their annual contract dollars in calories each day.
I have always liked Betemit. Cheap, decent fielder, light bat but good OBP/SLG/OPS.
Young=Hell Yes, but is that even possible ? What's the trade ?
by nvsfg on Oct 11, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
Yanks get 200 IP of league average pitching for the upcoming years. Giants get a starting 3B, and freed from $100m of obligation. Betemit gets a starting job. Zito gets 20 wins a year for pitching kinda crappy.
Everyone happy, right?
by SnowLeopard on Oct 11, 2007 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
At the time I thought it was a nightmare. After living through Finley I can see that it just would have been trading crap for poop, with a Sabean insurance minor leaguer to seal the sanitary baggie. When I woke up, I actually believed that it had happened, and it took me a while to realize it was a dream.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Oct 11, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by PacBellBoozer on Oct 11, 2007 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Home career:
.303/.372/.525, 1 HR/20 AB
Away career:
.243/.301/.398, 1 HR/32 AB
Arlington helps.
by Anticon23 on Oct 12, 2007 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Blalock at large (I have no opinion on the guy at all), but this is very poor evidence to support that.
At least in this case, I'm pretty sure I'm not confusing quantity with quality.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2007 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
Now, if we want to talk small sample size, his .349 OPS in 11 ABs at AT&T is definitely too small a sample to be evidence of anything. But it doesn't help his case any.
by EliminateMe on Oct 12, 2007 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Don't confuse quanity for quality
Sorry for the confusion. And thanks for straightening that out.
by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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It's not much more than a hunch, but I think that after years of squandering his talent he may finally be getting back on track. If Texas is still willing to trade him cheaply, which I doubt, I'd take him on.
by Evan on Oct 12, 2007 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 12, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cartman sums up my sentiments nicely at 00:41
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 11, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by sfshortstop on Oct 11, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Oct 11, 2007 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Oct 11, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by wilriv21 on Oct 11, 2007 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AJones is shiny shiny
by wilriv21 on Oct 11, 2007 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: AJones is shiny shiny
by Evan on Oct 11, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by sharksrog on Oct 12, 2007 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jponry on Oct 11, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Skaldheim on Oct 11, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 11, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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now...if sabean wastes a ton of caishe on him, im going to be ill
by bacci40 on Oct 11, 2007 3:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Oct 11, 2007 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Azmanz on Oct 11, 2007 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Furthermore, between the two Jones would be the clear winner anyway. BA is not the end all consideration going around here. Jones is two years younger, OBPs twenty points higher for his career, and sluggs the hell out of Hunter in an average year. Both are righties, so their power would take the same minor hit at AT&T. Both are multiple Gold Glovers on defense, for whatever little that is worth.
Hunter has a bit of an injury history that may or may not worry somebody, and Jones has a bit of a fat-jury history that may or may not worry somebody.
So of the two, Andruw makes a very good case for being the superior choice. Like I said, though, it's not a matter of "either/or" here. Not pursuing Torii doesn't mean we will be pursuing Andruw, and the other way around.
Now, this is not to say that signing one of the two is necessarily a bad idea. And it all comes down to your opinion on two things: 1) whether or not the Giants can compete within 3 years, and 2)the value of playing the kids (quotes optional) that we have.
If you believe the Giants can be competitive within three years, then one of these two guys could easily be an asset on that competitive team. If you don't believe they can be, then it's not worth it because in three years Hunter will likely be well into his decline, and Jones is already showing signs that he might be in danger of an early decline period (which would put him declining around 32 or 33... in about three years). In those decline phases, these guys will not have much value on the post-three year competitive Giants team.
If you believe that there is value in playing our prospects (ditto quotes), then signing either of these guys would be a liability, especially if neither Winn nor Roberts is movable during the offseason, for the obvious reasons.
Personally, I believe that - while maybe unlikely - the Giants can be competetive within three years. I also believe that there is value in evaluating each of these players we have on the periphery. Schierholtz needs to get every chance he can, I love everything about Fred Lewis even if I completely understand his significant limitations. I'm not particularly high on Ortmeier, though if he's getting his shot at first that's no harm no foul. And I think it's important to see which Rajai is the real Rajai - the high OBP leadoff hitter with speed, or the jumpy, no plan at the plate AAAA guy we saw when he was in his rough patches. The first Rajai could be an important part of a good NL team for 5-7 or so years. The other Rajai is the guy who couldn't crack a Pirates lineup, and we obviously don't want that.
I also believe that if only one or none of these guys demonstrates value over the course of 2008, then there will be FA talent over the 2008 and 2009 offseasons that will make us not care about either Jones or Hunter. So I think we can actually have the best of both worlds. Not everybody thinks that, and I can see an honest argument for signing one of the two guys.
I just wouldn't do it.
by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2007 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Oct 11, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Evan on Oct 11, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nvsfg on Oct 11, 2007 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by jtoj on Oct 11, 2007 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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So overrated
by NeifiChicken on Oct 11, 2007 5:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course, the Giants are trying to sign him
Why wouldn't the Giants go after him?
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 11, 2007 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rxmeister on Oct 11, 2007 6:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I've seen a number of columnists speculate on Torii coming here, this guy is probably just regurgitating what he read in other places.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 12, 2007 12:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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A rumor that the Giants will sign Torii Hunter? No problem. The fact that the Giants re-signed Brian Sabean -- well, that couldn't REALLY have happened, could it? Must have been merely a rumor. :)
Thank goodness we didn't get TOO excited by the rumors that Brian would be gone. If we had, there could have been a rash of suicides back in July.
by sharksrog on Oct 12, 2007 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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