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McGwire Made Me Do It

by BruteSentiment on Jan 7, 2007 3:34 PM PST Comment 26 comments

With McGwire's HOF fate to be determined in the next couple of days, this confession seems appropriate to post, to put the impact of McGwire on today's youth (or at least yesterday's) in focus. I hope this confession means something to you all.

Good luck to you all, and to McGwire.

http://sfgiants.scout.com/2/599380.html

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Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

He didn't break any rules (that we know of). He wasn't being payed millions of dollars a year to be a role model, he was being payed to play baseball and I wouldn't hold something he did within the rules to help him do that against him. :2cents:

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Jan 7, 2007 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Okay, so I posted that after starting the article and just now finished it. Clever.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Jan 7, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Well, I'm certainly glad that confession ended the way it did. I could tell something was up the whole time, and was ready to be relatively livid if there was no payoff.

But there was.

For the record, in my case Rich Aurilia made me do it. What about you?

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2007 4:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Layne Staley made me do it. The sad thing is, he had it on him when he died.

"When I think of how many times the Enemy has tried to kill Gary Busey..."

by multiphasic on Jan 7, 2007 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Rosie O'donnell. Before she joined the WWE

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by E Ticket on Jan 7, 2007 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

I am unable to do it. :.(

LicenseToPills: barry bonds says words, they have nothing to do with his thoughts, they are just subjects and predicates in his mental kingdom

by Natto on Jan 7, 2007 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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Yeah... actually I should have said "Rich Aurilia made me try to do it."

It's all patchy.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 7, 2007 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Jack McDowell.

by Kid Fresh on Jan 8, 2007 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

I have one on occasion, It makes me look like a dirty hippy. Shield thine eyes

by xanthan on Jan 7, 2007 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I've had one for more years than I can remember. Can't remember what made me do it.

by Skaldheim on Jan 7, 2007 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

My turtle lip made me do it

the men in my family have an almost non-existent upper lip. We look funny without facial hair. For that reason both my brothers and I have goatees. we look funny otherwise. I first did it in '99, mostly because my older brothers did it and I thought it was a good idea. It was a little before Aurilia became my favorite Giant and everyone thought we looked alike.

2002? I'm over it.

by wjackalope on Jan 7, 2007 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Dude..

I can't believe you did steroids!!!!!! OMG!!!!

Here's to a good 2007. Or 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or...

by WalrusMan on Jan 7, 2007 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

BTW...

I always pictured you as a Brute of a man with a full goatee.

Here's to a good 2007. Or 2008. Or 2009. Or 2010. Or...

by WalrusMan on Jan 7, 2007 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

I mean no disrespect, but I saw that coming down Broadway.

Sorry, fellas, but I distinguish McGwire and Bonds at least for now: McGwire knew he was taking steroids and pretty much admitted it with his weasely appearance before Congress last year. Neither thing can be said of Bonds (yet). I allow for the possibility that Bonds might still be proven guilty, but he hasn't yet.

That "didn't break any rules" thing is hogwash, by the way. First, unprescribed use of steroids is a violation of federal law, which no doubt violates AT LEAST the morals clause of every baseball player's contract. In any case, breaking federal law IS, indeed, breaking the rules. MLB doesn't have a specific rule in the CBA or the standard players contract that prohibits players' participation in armed robbery, either, but it damn sure would "break a rule" if they did.

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 7, 2007 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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I disagree with pretty much all of this. Saying McGwire's guilt is more assured than Bonds? How does refusing to testify damn McGwire more than Bonds claiming he took substances without knowing what they were, records saying he took steroids, and the host of other circumstantial evidence? I don't think either of them should be kept out of the Hall, but I can't see that McGwire is a more likely suspect.

As to the second part, sure, it's against federal law and like any other federal law they can be prosecuted in federal court. I certainly don't see how any player taking steroids should be held to a higher standard than, say, the many players with DUI convictions. If Dwight Gooden had put together a HOF career, would we keep him out because he was a cokehead at one point? Who makes the distinction of which federal laws are worthy of HOF exclusion and which aren't?

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Jan 8, 2007 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa.

I have never said ANYthing to the effect that violation of federal law or state criminal statutes (such as DUI) should keep someone out of the Hall. Never. Said. It. My point is to the people who are "defending" users of performance enhancing drugs prior to last year by saying they "weren't breaking any rules." The hell they weren't. Consideration for the Hall is a different question altogether, and one I never raised. (But the answer to your question about who makes the distinctions is: the BBWAA.)

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 8, 2007 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Whoa.

The Base Ball Whiners Association of America?

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 8, 2007 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Whoa.

Ah, consider me corrected then. When I say "never broke the rules" I mean specifically the baseball rules in comparision to the Pete Roses of the world. I'm fine with whatever punishments players are given for breaking actual laws of the land.

DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Jan 8, 2007 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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For anyone who wants to know a little more about the history of steroids legislation, this link is a good primer. The history and the current laws page are an excellent summation of the arguments for and against making anabolic steroids a Controlled Substance. And, having read it myself, I have a question for the lawyers among our brethren: obviously distributing is a felony, as is possession, but in the eyes of the law is "use" a felony? That is, absent a possession, could the 100 or so players whose positive tests the government's trying to obtain be tried for "felony use" of a controlled substance?
http://www.elitefitness.com/members/steroidlaw/history.htm

by Roger on Jan 8, 2007 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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It's tough to use something unless one possesses it.

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 8, 2007 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

That's true, but I'm not entirely sure federal law works backwords in that logical way (I suppose because of the impossibility of proving intentional or willing ingestion. eg, with the date rape drug someone conceivably could have spiked my drink, my legal supplement could have unwittingly been something something whatever the hell Merriman said, I could have been told it was just flax seed oil, etc.). I'm not taking sides or nitpicking here, I'd just like a more precise understanding of the exact state of current legislation than I have.

by Roger on Jan 8, 2007 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

Taking a crap in certain areas of a National Forest is in violation of Federal Law and not against the rules of baseball. Ruth took drugs openly in public. To excess. To the detriment of his performance, not the enhancement. He cheated his own team. In violation of a constitutional amendment. For years. With sportswriters. With politicians. All the time. And so did lots of other players. Nobody got on Ruth's case. No vitriol claiming he robbed the Yankees of his awesome talent by doing so. No showboating IRS agents, civil service hack lawyers, persecuting his friends, family and acquaintences to ground on specious charges. None of it.

Get on Ruths and every other swinging dick from back in the day, and then maybe your opinion will have some credibility.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 8, 2007 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

E, if you were responding to my post as the indenting suggests, you are simultaneously misreading and overreading what I wrote. I am not "getting on" anyone, merely saying 2 things and quite specifically ONLY 2 things: (1) I draw a distinction between McGwire and Bonds, pending further evidence which might or might not ever come, and (2) those who say "X didn't break any rules" are wrong. Now, don't overread point #2 to imply that "X did break rules, therefore launch a disproportionate federal probe and keep him out of the Hall." I am saying nothing of the kind. I am a defender of Bonds, and anyone in the business of defending people knows that the strongest defense is the truest defense, and "X didn't break any rules" ain't the truest or strongest defense.

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 8, 2007 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

I accept that. Cool.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 8, 2007 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

McGwire feels the steroid guilt, and it shows

McGwire is not a more likely suspect than Bonds.

He's just a less defiant suspect than Bonds.

McGwire hides.

Bonds fights.

Even if the guilt is shared, many of us here have come to admire Bonds in this battle, because his strategy is the more war-like.

We like that in our warriors.

by Moggeee on Jan 8, 2007 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: McGwire Made Me Do It

I have to say that McGwire bested Bonds here: Barry's 1990s 'stache was godawful. I've always been a fan of goatees.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 8, 2007 10:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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