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Julian Tavarez is attractive

There isn't much of a difference between this year and last, at least as far as the down months go. For some reason, I thought I was running out of ideas just this season, and last year I was effortlessly cranking posts out. Trying to reconcile the difference between the two, I went digging through the archives of this site. Around this time last year, I wrote a piece about the top-5 Mike LaCoss cards that were on eBay at the time. That made me feel better, both then and now. The period between the holidays and pitchers and catchers reporting is always going to be torture to the baseball nerd.

The scraps of winter league news aren't ever going to be of a meaningful sample size to do anything more than reinforce existing prejudices, either. Pedro Feliz sucking a basketball through a straw in a winter league doesn't anyone any favors. I might have to use some meager ad revenue to purchase a URL, but that's about the only ramification. It did bring to mind, though, just how off people -- professional media and fans alike -- can be about certain players. Pedro Feliz is an RBI guy; he has a little gold nameplate and everything. He drives in runs. Hey, my name is Pedro Feliz, and I drive in runs. Pedro Feliz is an RBI guy.

Problem is, he stinks. He gets more opportunities with runners on base than the rest of the team, converts them at a ridiculously low percentage, but still winds up with close to 100 RBI. Because he is forever coming close to that shiny three-digit number, he's an RBI guy. "It remains to be seen how the Giants would respond if they fail to re-sign Pedro Feliz. He's an RBI guy."

This also brings to mind the recent Warriors trade. Troy Murphy was a double-digit rebounder. A double-digit rebounder! How could the Warriors give up a double/double guy? Crazy! There go those Warriors again, always messing up...wait, did they just trade dead-eye shooter Mike Dunleavy too? My goodness, the Warriors just traded a great rebounder and a dead-eye shooter! Where is the offense going to come from now that Dunleavy isn't going to be draining open mid-range shots from the wing? Where are the rebounds now that elbow-throwing ogre Troy Murphy isn't muscling down the boards? If you don't follow the NBA, just know that those descriptions are akin to bemoaning a loss of triples with Steve Finley not on the roster.

There are just players who fall in some weird miscategorization vortex. Kirk Rueter knew how to win...until he didn't. Felix Rodriguez in his prime was great, but you couldn't leave him in to face lefties. Consider this an open thread to celebrate the miscategorized and mislabeled throughout sports.

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Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Most miscategorized and mislabled:  Brian Sabean is a good GM.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 29, 2007 9:09 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
"Gamer" is about the biggest bullcrap label out there.  It is basically a label used to improve the perception of guys who don't really deserve all that positive of a perception in the first place.  That also goes for "good clubhouse guys," "inning eaters," and "guys who love to get their uniform dirty."

D

by sunnyd100 on Jan 29, 2007 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

If your perceptive peeve becomes broadcast law...
Then you just eliminated 80% of Mike Krukow's vocabulary.

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2007 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
"Scrappy" is the new gamer!

I almost barfed when David Eckstein won WS MVP. For weeks all I could hear was scrappy, gritty, and heart!

by xanthan on Jan 29, 2007 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Of course Eckstein is annoying. That's why the media loves him.
Remember 1962!

by El Person on Jan 29, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
"Livan Hernandez is a workhorse."

Sure he's an innings eater, but is this really a compliment when he's giving up 5,6,7 runings in 8 or 9 innings?

I've been suffering from post traumatic stress disorder ever since Game 6.

by April3rdLifeBegins on Jan 29, 2007 9:34 AM PST reply actions  

Barnyard animals on the Fat Farm
Correction. It's "Livan Hernandez eats like a horse."

Oh, he's out of control. He's starting to eat innings, too?

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
innings must be high in saturated fats.
We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 29, 2007 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
From 2003 when the Giants got rid of him through 2005, Livan was one of the best pitchers in the game.

by sharksrog on Jan 29, 2007 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
which game was that?
We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 29, 2007 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Pie eating contest.
Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 29, 2007 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
I have to disagree.  For the first half of 2003, he was the same old shuffling Livan, with a 4.19 ERA, 1.41 WHIP.  Then suddenly he realized that if he didn't get his fat ass going, the Expos would not pick up his $7M option, so for the next two months, he had a 1.58 ERA, 0.94 WHIP, then he coasted in with a 4.86 ERA, 1.38 WHIP.

In 2004, he knew he had to pitch just as well or not get a good contract as a free agent, so he had a good 2004.

In 2005, after securing his good contract, he was able to keep interested in pitching for the first half of 2005, with a 3.48 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, but couldn't keep his interest up and ended with a 4.58 ERA, 1.46 WHIP.

In 2006, with nothing at stake, he had a 5.34 ERA, 1.56 WHIP with Washington, but after getting traded to Arizona, it woke him up and he had a 3.76 ERA, 1.39 WHIP.

So he was only really good from mid-2003 to mid 2005.

Given that he will be a free agent in 2008, the D-backs probably can count on him to be interested enough to pitch well for most of the season, but woe to any team signing him to a 5+ year contract, which appears to be in his range if he can just get his fat ass up enough to pitch well and convince some team that the real Livan is the 2003-2004 version, not the 2005-2006 version.  

He has to be salivating, like Templeton at the county fair, after seeing Meche get 5 years at $55M for that mediocrity, when Livan can be downright dominating when he puts his mind to it.  Whoever gets him can expect an OK 2008, but 2009, 10, 11, not so OK, before he wakes himself up again in 2012 and fools the next construction worker who thinks he can make a fortune on that singing fat toad.

Go Giants!!!

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 29, 2007 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Hey, Tony Shaloub.  I am impressed that you are able to read Livan Hernandez's mind.  Since I hardly ever know what the heck I'm thinking, would you mind reading mine?

by sharksrog on Jan 30, 2007 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Just interpreting a funny statistical trend. That Livan's up years happen to come at the same time as contract pushes could be coincidence, but the consistency of it brings his results into question. I don't think it's that far fetched.

And you want a sandwich. With olives. And ham. Werido.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 30, 2007 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Dangit. I always blow my punchlines with typos.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 30, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
You got the wrong TV detective, you really want Psyche, not Monk.  :^)

I readily admit I'm reading tea-leaves.  But I think most of us have read enough about Livan and his lazy-ass mental attitude to see that my supposition makes sense.  He always had the talent to do well while with the Giants, the only problem was coaxing it out of him.  The Giants finally gave up on that.  But given his pattern of pitching well when something is at stake - I left out how well he pitched for the Giants that one season before we gave him that long contract, upon which he then sat back down his fat ass again - it all makes sense.

Plus, any baseball player who don't understand why fans are mad about his game 7 performance and points out that without his good performances before that, there would not have been a 7th game, is just plain clueless and gutless (in heart, not body; he has a huge gut in that case) and not worth keeping.  

I'm guessing you think the Sharks blew it, losing a win with that last minute goal given up and then losing the shoot out in OT, but I will note that Cheechoo will start playing like he did last season and put the team into turbo scoring mode, so don't worry.  

And you are wondering how the Warriors can make the playoffs after getting blown out by the Cavaliers without Lebron, but the Cavs have one of the best home records in the NBA, so it is not all Lebron, all the time, and it is clear that a number of Warriors were fighting the flu, so don't worry, with Harrington in place and Richardson coming soon, the Warriors will be able to pull themselves into a playoff spot.  :^)

Go Giants!!!

by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jan 31, 2007 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
This current road trip was supposed to be make or break.  Not looking good, so far.  I can't believe how different the Ws are home vs. road.
Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Feb 1, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Catchers who can't hit but "call a good game" (Matheny).

See also, Nichols' Law of Catcher Defense

by zenbitz on Jan 29, 2007 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
I can't believe we got this far without a mention of "veteran savvy."
Vote for Pedro...to be DFA'd!

by W8ingForATitle on Jan 29, 2007 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Calling this man attractive is quite the stretch...

Hats for bats, keep bats warm !

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 29, 2007 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
I loved that Buffy LaCoss posting.  That is exactly the kind of post that helps the winter pass.  

Don't forget, Livan is a "big game pitcher."

by out machine on Jan 29, 2007 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
ha ha, how could we forget.  After his performance on the Marlins he became, "The guy you want to give the ball in game 7 of the world series"

that one turned out well for the giants...

I've been suffering from post traumatic stress disorder ever since Game 6.

by April3rdLifeBegins on Jan 29, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
The stupidity of pitching hurt, and "taking one for the team." Taking what, your ERA above 5.50?

All-encompasing baseball cliche: "Does the little things that don't show up in the box score." This is usually followed by the only two examples known to mankind: (1) move runners over with less than two out, (2) take a lot of pitches and work the count deep. You know, "stuff that doesn't show up in the box score."

by Kid Fresh on Jan 29, 2007 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
What about the following:
  • Advancing a base when a throw goes to another base
  • Stretching a single to a double (yes it's scored a double, but what doesn't show was the effort and alert baserunning it required.)
  • Taking away errors by teammates with extra effort (Hello, JT)
  • Catchers taking away a wild pitch
  • Extra effort to get a lead runner out (like Omar's throw to 3rd last year)
  • Getting in a pitcher's head with the threat to steal (hello Ricky Henderson)
  • successfully deaking a baserunner into not advancing
I think all those are examples of things that some guys do better than others.  They won't show up in a box score, but certainly can help put a team in a position to win.

Those are all items

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 30, 2007 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Thought of one more:
Hustling on everything put in play, therefore putting more pressure on the defender to make hurry the play,  therefore increasing the likliehood of an error.
Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Feb 1, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Here's one:  At some point, Topps (the card company) featured as one of their inserts a group of "Future Stars."  One year (I believe it was 1989), this group included a "Future Stars: Eric Gunderson" card.  

by candymanhackman on Jan 29, 2007 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Maybe it's a bit broad, but I think the entire idea of a "closer" has gotten WAY out of hand.  A decent reliever who you have to pay 10 times as much as any normal decent reliever because he's had experience pitching the ninth inning, thus proving he's got the "mental capacity" to close out ballgames.  It's funny how so often these "closers" just come from nowhere - "well, the main closer got injured for the season, and Brad Juxtapose began pitching the ninth just by default, but as the season wore on, he proved that he could pitch the ninth just as well as the injured $18 million dollar "closer," so after the season, the team didn't need to re-sign their previous closer, and Brad Juxtapose got a fat $13 million dollar raise for proving he can be the new "closer."

It's like an excuse to waste money.

by ololo3 on Jan 29, 2007 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
The Giants should trade for Brad Juxtapose.

by amoose on Jan 29, 2007 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I do believe...
I do believe you've just found the McCovey Chronicles equivalent of saying "John Kerry is treasonous" on Fox News. After two years of Benitez, is there anybody on here who doesn't think closer juice is watered down?
Saving countless runs with my defense

by lyricalkiller on Jan 29, 2007 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: I do believe...
Well, I suppose the Benitez era has affected some people in different ways. I'm with you guys in the "give me a good pitcher to pitch the ninth, regardless of whether or not he's been anointed a closer" camp. But having a bad closer for awhile and experiencing all of that ninth-inning angst can also lead people to seek the overpaid shelter of a Proven Closer. ("I don't care if we have to pay Trevor Hoffman $40 million a year... just make the ninth-inning hurtin' go away!)

Remember... the cries for a Proven Closer were pretty loud after a brutal bullpen cost them the division in 2004. (29 blown saves and 29 relief losses, compared to 22 blown saves and 24 relief losses in 2006.) If the bullpen struggles again, you can expect the same cries next winter.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Jan 30, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Upside
Can we address "tremendous upside?" I mean, I know it is going to get beat to death more than the Barbaro story (admit you loved that double entendre and raise your hand if you're in my "glad that story's over" club), in April for the NFL draft, and again during NBA lottery time, but I don't hear it mentioned much around the diamond. Come on! Neikro had tremendous upside! Ellison's upside was up last year, but down this year. Frandsen's upside may be up, it may be idle, it could be down. Etc ...
Hack Leonard could beat up Chuck Norris

by DiegoGiant on Jan 29, 2007 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Upside
Livan had tremendous backside. see above.
We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 29, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Old Age Creeps Down on You
His backside now has downside.

For support, I suggest a butt bra.

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2007 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Old Age Creeps Down on You
Dont forget the humungous front porch and extra super huge rumpus room.
Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 29, 2007 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Upside
I'm not happy about this, because Barbaro provided a neverending source of amusement while his recovery took place. The joy and laughter I had reading about him on Deadspin is irreplacable. Bless you, Barbaro.

As for the topic, is Grant suggesting that stats can be misleading? How shocking.

by cheno on Jan 29, 2007 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Sperm Bank's gotta be full by now
I'm happy for Barbaro.

At least they finally took the milking machine off his John Henry.

by Moggeee on Jan 29, 2007 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Upside
Barbaro provided a never-ending source of amusement during his recovery?  Wow!  It's been a while since I've been this shocked.

by sharksrog on Jan 30, 2007 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Ignore the home runs, doubles and walks
An AP article said the other day that Chase Utley has more power but Freddy Sanchez is a "better all-around hitter."

All-around hitter? What the hell does that mean? Is he the hitting equivalent of Vladimir Nabokov, who wrote brilliantly in three languages? I hate that term, all-around hitter.

Yeah, fuck you too Placido Polanco.

Saving countless runs with my defense

by lyricalkiller on Jan 29, 2007 5:32 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Ignore the home runs, doubles and walks
But Freddy Sanchez hits for a higher batting average! He's a throwback!
DFA Everybody

by JakeS on Jan 29, 2007 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Ignore the home runs, doubles and walks
shouldn't a "all around hitter" hit for power and average whereas a pure poower hitter with a mediocre average and a singles hitter with a .300+ avg are both one dimensional and thus NOT "all around" hitters? Utley hits for power and average, whereas Sanchez just hits for (albeit a higher) average but no power. Thus, Utley is a superior "all around hitter" than Sanchez because he does more with the bat in terms of production.
We'd be pretty good if we didn't suck so bad.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 30, 2007 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Run into the ground:-
"Jose Lima is a twenty-game winner."

Michael Vick "changes the way the defence thinks."

Emile Heskey "does so much for the team that you don't see." (notice that even his supporters in the media can't find anything specific to hang their hats on)

Visit my blog and die happy.

by Salemicus on Jan 29, 2007 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Run into the ground:-
Emile Heskey is an ass.
Howay the lads !
Hats for bats, keep bats warm !

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 30, 2007 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Players who need to "stay healthy" and/or "get their head straight" are always worth holding one's breath for--since they follow through on those requirements about zero percent of the time in order to have that "breakout year".
Two hands for beginners, and Jose Cruz Jr. in the playoffs

by VidaWantsYourCar on Jan 29, 2007 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
Julian Tavarez officially half of nothing:
"This is Todd Helton we're talking about," Monfort told The Associated Press on Monday. "We're not just going to give him up for nothing."
<(-'.'-)>

by lunaticfridge on Jan 30, 2007 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
"Does things that don't show up in the box scores"  TV anouncer code, intentional or not, for this "guy should be cut".
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Jan 30, 2007 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Julian Tavarez is attractive
How 'bout "sneaky fast," as in Mando trimming down for next season, but not telling the media.
wCovington

by wcovington on Jan 31, 2007 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

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