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There was a jar of jelly beans at the state fair that said `guess how many and you win the jar'- I was like `c'mon man; lemme just have some. You can guess how many I want. If you guessed `a handful', you are correct." - Mitch Hedberg

So, like, forecasting relievers is like guessing how many jellybeans are in the jar. You have reasons for your guess - heck, they sound like good and logical explanations - but you're usually about 200 jellybeans off. Maybe 300. Sometimes 1,000. If you had seven guesses, maybe you'd come within spitting distance of the real answer.

And wanting the relievers to be good is like only wanting a handful of jellybeans.

And Armando Benitez is one of those wretched Jelly Belly flavors. Buttered popcorn, I'm looking at you.

The predictions for last year's bullpen:

Tyler Walker:

Predicted

ERA: 3.86
IP: 56
K: 68
BB: 24

Actual
ERA: 7.11
IP: 25.3
K: 19
BB: 12

Ick.

Tim Worrell:

Predicted

ERA: 5.48
IP: 33
K: 20
B: 11

Actual

ERA: 7.52
IP: 20.3
K: 12
BB: 7

Even when I picked someone to immolate, they out-immolated my best guess.

Jack Taschner

Predicted

IP: 45
ERA: 3.78
K: 40
BB: 21

Actual

IP: 19.3
ERA: 8.38
K: 15
BB: 7
COLLARS: 17

If he did throw 3.78 ball, he would have had 130 innings out of the bullpen. So he's probably a little lucky.

Scott Munter

Predicted

IP: 24
ERA: 4.60
K: 8
BB: 10

Actual

IP: 22.7
ERA: 8.74
K: 7
BB: 18

I'm starting to think that the Giants' bullpen had some problems last year. I haven't seen this many sevens and eights since ___. (Left blank for the readers to fill in, not because I couldn't think of something. I could, and they were all funny.)

Steve Kline

Predicted

G: 78
IP: 58
ERA: 3.45
K: 39
BB: 28

Actual

G: 72
IP: 51.7
ERA: 3.66
K: 33
BB: 26

No bonus points will ever be awarded for getting a Steve Kline projection right. He'll have this same season for the next twenty years.

Armando Benitez

Predicted

IP: 72
ERA: 2.59
K: 75
BB: 31
S: 39

Actual

IP: 38.3
ERA: 3.52
K: 31
BB: 21
S: 17

On the surface, the prediction doesn't look too far off, but we actually watched the games last year. We know the horror, the horror.

Jeremy Accardo

Predicted

IP: 67
ERA: 4.49
K: 59
BB: 29

Actual

IP: 69
ERA: 5.35
K: 54
BB: 20

I still wish he were on the Giants, for what it's worth.

Jeff Fassero

Predicted

ERA - 7.80
IP - 15
K - 7
BB - 8
IP w/bases loaded - 0.1

Actual

ERA - 7.80
IP - 15
K - 7
BB - 8
IP w/bases loaded - 0.1

Wow. I'm like a golden god. I really, really wish I had made the first Fassero prediction public.

Dig through those old threads again. Both of you. Praise your prognosticating powers. Laugh at the retroactively ignorant.

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OK, I'll bite:
I haven't seen this many sevens and eights since...the 2005 season.

by Kitspool on Jan 18, 2007 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Question
If Armando Benitez is the dreaded buttered popcorn is Mariano Rivera to be considered Red Cherry?
Vote for Pedro...to be DFA'd!

by W8ingForATitle on Jan 18, 2007 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Question
No, that would be Joe Nathan.    Ouch.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 18, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Buttered popcorn is one of the best Jelly Belly flavors. Take it back!

I predicted that Taschner and Munter were going to be cornerstones of the bullpen for 2006 along with Jeremy Accardo. Look at me, I know nothing.

"Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist." Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 18, 2007 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
This, Baron, is where we differ.

Buttered Popcorn Jelly Belly are disgusting.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2007 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I wouldn't say the Buttered Popcorn jelly beans are disgusting.  Disgusting jelly beans are those Harry Potter packs they had for a while (or still do?).

by sfgfan on Jan 18, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
They are disgusting but the beans taste accurate.
"Strikeouts are boring. Besides that, they're fascist." Not fascist: SF Dugout

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 18, 2007 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

armadez
uh... definitely seems like the bullpen underperformed last year, huh?  Geez... I myself am not in the "get rid of Benitez" camp - not because he's not a total $ss (or is that a$$), but because it's ye olde walk year, and he seems like just the kind of guy who'll care about his performance THIS year because it'll translate into big bucks with some other unfortunate team. I see another great year from him, followed by a three year contract with somebody else where he'll suck for the first two years and then have another "great" year. Guess he must be saving his arm, kind of like rotating crops...
trying to find the polo grounds

by Christy Mathewson on Jan 18, 2007 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

Re: armadez
. . .And then Sabean re-signs him. A veteran presence, ya know.
wCovington

by wcovington on Jan 19, 2007 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Giants look like a solid 4th place team at this point.  vr, Xei
Go Dodgers!

by Xeifrank on Jan 18, 2007 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

A sporting gesture, Mr. Guevara
Freedom Fighter Xei astutely places the Giants ahead of the last place Dodgers.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: A sporting gesture, Mr. Guevara
haha, I'd put them ahead of the Rockies and one spot behind the Dodgers.  I like either the Padres or DBacks (most likely the Padres) but haven't quite made my complete prediction between the two yet.  Best to you.
vr, Xei
Go Dodgers!

by Xeifrank on Jan 18, 2007 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: A sporting gesture, Mr. Guevara
As much as I HATE to say this, we will all be looking up at the f#@!! Dodgers.
wCovington

by wcovington on Jan 19, 2007 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7s and 8s since Kwame Harris and Taylor Jacobs lined up next to each other.
Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 18, 2007 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
With Patrick Estes in between.

by mxmob33 on Jan 18, 2007 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Me and my friends did acid in the woods, 'cause there was much less chance of running into an authority figure. But we ran into a bear. And that is way more of a buzz kill. I looked around and saw my friend swearing to prevent forest fires. Later, he came up to me and said, "Mitchell. Smokey is way more intense in person".
LicenseToPills: barry bonds says words, they have nothing to do with his thoughts, they are just subjects and predicates in his mental kingdom

by Natto on Jan 18, 2007 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7s and 8s since Kwame Harris and Taylor Jacobs lined up next to each other.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2007 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Dammit. Goofus beat me to it.

And by a mere 17 minutes, too. Crap.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Give it another go
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since since I won that bet to eat a whole bowl of Numer-O's.
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2007 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Verbatim, even.
Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 18, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since Michelle Wie's last attempt to make a cut.
"I want to dip my balls in it." Louie

by MeSoKrabby on Jan 18, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Excellent, Crabbie. Bravo, Howie.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Now, Make that Spare
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since my last bowling scorecard.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since Kirk Rueter retired.
Vote for Pedro...to be DFA'd!

by W8ingForATitle on Jan 18, 2007 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since my second grader's graduation ceremony.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since Michael Jackson invited his friends over. (rim shot)

by Kitspool on Jan 18, 2007 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ouch!
Kitspool wins the Limbo Award for this thread.
You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 18, 2007 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

She's a contender
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since Michelle Kwan landed on her ass after a triple axle.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since Alpha-Bits pulled the unsuccessful Arithma-Tics spin-off from the market.
You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 18, 2007 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

Trial and Error in the Breakfast Game
Kids just couldn't get into the idea of a load of sugar-coated, blood-sucking parasites in every spoonful.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Most efficient Giants lineup
Using Cyril Morong's lineup analysis tool, or atleast his concept in the implementation I provide you with the Giants most efficient lineup, which would pound out 802.63 runs per season.  The tool is not adjusted for LHP/RHP splits.  The only inputs are OBP and SLG provided via ZIPS.

Bonds-Durham-Roberts-Aurilia-Winn-Feliz-Molina-Pitcher-Vizquel

Here is the worst lineup, which only pounds out 694.62 runs per season.

Pitcher-Feliz-Durham-Vizquel-Molina-Roberts-Winn-Bonds-Aurilia

vr, Xei

Go Dodgers!

by Xeifrank on Jan 18, 2007 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Most efficient Giants lineup
What these two lineups have in common: the leadoff hitters in both are equally likely to actually happen.
You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 18, 2007 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Tweaking The Barry, or the Language?
Which is to say, Bonds' flat refusal to leadoff may be the last wrinkle in the negotiation of the Contract That Shall Not Be Named, and which still Has Not Been Signed.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Most efficient Giants lineup
There seems to be a vague rule for scoring runs where it happens more the farther down the order Feliz is...
Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 18, 2007 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Most efficient Giants lineup
Ok, if the Giants don't sign Bonds... I ran the numbers replacing Bonds with Linden and the most efficient lineup drops from 802 runs scored to 726 runs scored.  An approximate 8+ less wins.  This would likely be the difference between a solid 4th place finish (possible 3rd) to a likely last place finish.  Of course, trades could still happen but those are too difficult to speculate on.
vr, Xei
Go Dodgers!

by Xeifrank on Jan 19, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. 'Damn it, Otto, you're an alcoholic.' 'Damn it, Otto, you have lupus.' One of those two doesn't sound right.
I play baseball, You play playdoh; Kill your family, I'm KEVIN FRANDSEN; Coast to Coast, New York to San Diego; Eat some dicks, I'm KEVEN FRANDSEN

by elduderino on Jan 18, 2007 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Bullies
BULLPEN: D+

The most efficient relief pitcher of 2006 (Stanton) is gone. So it seems as though the pen is doomed for suckage again, right?Sanchez, Correia, Hennessey, Chulk, Wilson, and Sadler are all young and could impress. Or not. Linecum could close. At least Worrell is gone. Hard for Benitez to pitch worse- especially in his contract year. There will be some surprises, some disappointments, some injuries, and perhaps a trade or two.

ROTATION: B+

Let's look at 2006 basic numbers:

Schmidt- 11-9 3.59
Cain- 13-12, 4.15
Morris- 10-15, 4.98
Lowry 7-10, 4.74
Wright 6-10, 5.19

I firmly believe that every single spot in the rotation will improve- higher win totals and lower ERA, top to bottom.

Does anyone want to take the over-under that Zito wins more than 11? Lowry more than 7? Cain's ERA is lower than 4.15?
Linecum, Sanchez, or Ortiz stepping up could turn this
into an "A+" rotation, and the backbone of the team.

DEFENCE: B

"the defense..a shade than last year..."

2007 vs. 2006:

Molina > Alphonszo
Aurilia > Hillendbrand
Durham = Durham
Vizquel = Vizquel
Feliz = Feliz
Winn > Alou
Roberts > Finley
Bonds = Bonds

Yes, the old guys are all "a step slower," but Winn and Bonds are coming off injuries and should actually be healthier and better.

I'm not arguing the defence will be spectacular, just slightly better than how the Giants ended 2006.

OFFENCE: C+

As for the line-up- I would describe it as "solid, not spectucular." From top to bottom:

  •  Roberts is the most exciting and well-suited lead-off hitter the Giants have had in a long time. Bochy knows how to maximize his platoon skills.
  • Vizquel will probably decline, and might bounce between #2 and #7 slot.
  • Love Aurilia, but Richie hitting third is pathetic. Should be Durham- much faster, way better OBP = more runs.
  • Bonds, healthier and with everything to prove, could be much better than last year... (if he is with the Giants, that is!)
  • Klesko could surprise- won't do worse than Hillendbrand in terms of OPS.
  • Winn in the six hole could rebound nicely, off-setting any decline from Durham & Vizquel.
  • Molina hitting seventh is an asset, not a liability.
  • Feliz hitting 8th, dittto.
BENCH: A-

Bench should be much stronger than last year:

Linden > Finley
Alphonszo > Greene
Frandsden > Vizcaino
Sweeney = Sweeney (Greeney?),
Aurilia / Kelsko / Feliz

COACHING: C

Bochy is merely average, but Felipe was so awful at the end of last year, this looks to be an upgrade in bullpen management, tactical , player development, pitching changes, and general motivation and communication. The effort put forth by the players should be much better this year.

IN CONCLUSION

Do you think the Giants will be above .500 this year? I would put the "over-under" on the 2007 Giants (with Bonds) at an even .500 - 82 wins, 82 losses.

Personally, I would take the over. I think the Giants are going to win 86 games and take the West. Be warned: this is coming from Mr. Rainbows & Lollipops himself, who also thought the Giants had a shot the last two years. (Actually, they did- they just imploded during crucial stretches).

For 2007, I could see the Giants finishing in 3rd again, due to better divisional competition. But I definitely think the Giants will improve on last year's win total, to finish comfortably above .500. And hey, if someone steps up in the bullpen, if the rotation lives up to the hype, if Bonds smacks 30, if Winn and Klesko rebound, if, if, if. Hell, it's January. Hope springs eternal. If I can't be optimistic now, when?

by Kid Fresh on Jan 18, 2007 7:11 PM PST reply actions  

Ice blocked the front door, so Kid typed today
Kid: That was worthy of a preface to a Tolstoy novel. Fine, studied effort. Shoulda put it in a diary.

Man, the snow must be heavy up there in Greenland.

by Moggeee on Jan 18, 2007 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Bullies
I haven't seen this many 7's and 8's since this thread.
LicenseToPills: barry bonds says words, they have nothing to do with his thoughts, they are just subjects and predicates in his mental kingdom

by Natto on Jan 18, 2007 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

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