A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Barry probably just thought he was just stealing a few of Mark's green M&M's. It happens. What's the big deal?

With Barry back, what could go wrong?

by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Jan 10, 2007 11:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

If he got caught using sped, he should just be honest about it and move on. But to blame someone else, that really sucks (imho)...

by whataboutbob on Jan 11, 2007 12:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

first, the story was broken in the post...not really known for great journalism

hey, how come the two chron hacks didnt get this one...i mean they care so much about the nations youth, and speed is a much bigger prob than roids is

2nd, if true, its the attempt to blame a fellow player that is really the bad thing, especially since a first time positive gets you nothing

im just amazed that more guys are being tested positive for greeny use...i mean you try getting up for day games after night on a 14 day road trip and see how it feels without a pickmeup

by bacci40 on Jan 11, 2007 12:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Many of the so-called "drugs" in the article are the same shit found in over the counter cold remedies. Just another shitload of bullshit drug policy designed to get media off its back by the commissioner's office. In addition to the runny nose treatments, shit like ridelin was given to grade school kids in some school districts without a fucking parents consent at one time.

Can we once and for all understand that while technically the drugs in some of these over-the counter medicines are "greenies" they are not the fucking moral equivilent of biker cooked meth and crack cocaine despite mass media propaganda to the contrary?

The fucking asshole nyc media would have you believe that Bonds is using Sweeny's locker as a meth lab to cook up meth to be distributed by escapees from Pelican Bay.

And people wonder why I absolutely hate these motherfuckers and don't believe a fucking thing they write about anybody, any institution, or any event.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 11, 2007 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Here fucking here. A-fucking-men.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

You're da bomb, E. Baseball players have lived on greenies for decades, just like housewives (diet pills) and elementry school students (ridilen/speed - the school systems pushed speed as a studying/attention alternative on my kid for years). I'm not soapboxing, this stuff is just a fact of life.

That Barry tried to pass this off to Sweeney is likely part of Barry's feudal belief system. The veteran scrub takes one for the star player.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

by GiantJim on Jan 11, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh.

And if you're gonna blame someone else, why choose Mark Sweeney, a nice guy who's popular with the media? Barry's smarter than this, isn't he? Why didn't he blame, oh, I don't know, Armando Benitez?

by Kitspool on Jan 11, 2007 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

LOL

No one would believe Benitez on uppers.

With Barry back, what could go wrong?

by Rusty the Mechanical Man on Jan 11, 2007 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: LOL

zing!

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Jan 11, 2007 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds Storm on the Horizon

Jeesh. I just saw that too. Crazy.

by tk on Jan 11, 2007 12:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

The Big Oops

Here's some lame for you:

Yeah, right, Barry. Sweeney set you up.

Or how about, you got it from a toilet seat?

The blaming it on Sweeney is much worse than the actual amphetamine use, which apparently is endorsed by Bonds's mentor, the Godfather of Greenies, Willie Mays.

Bonds is such a great teammate at times...

by Moggeee on Jan 11, 2007 12:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: The Big Oops

Uhm Moggeee. This story came out of the NY Post originally and reprinted in another tabloid the NY Daily News and spread like diarhea by notorious Scandal monger Matt Drudge. This is where the hate-barry crusade originated years ago. They are the Josef Goebbels of Sports propaganda. If it doesn't wear swastika pinstripes, it aint legit, is their motto.

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 11, 2007 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

the more i go over the story, the more it doesnt make sense

bonds blames sweeny, so an mlb union rep calls sweeny to tell him to remove any substance from his locker and to not share substances?

doesnt that sound fishy to anyone else?

does the rep now work for the mlb?

by bacci40 on Jan 11, 2007 12:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Bonds did not appeal -- maybe his urine was fishy

A suspension is not involved, so it seems likely that MLB handles it administratively with a minimum investigation and phone calls all around.

But Barry gets stepped up piss tests because -- lest we forget -- he did not appeal.

Barry's the type who would fight if he were getting jobbed. I must say, he is looking less than innocent on this one.

I'm surprised Sweeney's camp isn't more outraged.

by Moggeee on Jan 11, 2007 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds did not appeal -- maybe his urine was fi

I'm now CERTAIN that this kind of Bonds-targeting is coming from the commissioner's office, to take the spotlight off of baseball in general. No, I'm not wearing a tin-foil hat. This really pisses me off.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pass me the hat, but I don't think I need it.

I was certain years ago. Selig has been targetting Bonds extremely specifically so that there is something to distract everybody from the fact that many of the problems the sport has had that are even now just coming into the media started with his lax and lazy commissioner work.

Have you noticed that more and more the last few years as sweeping problems with the league make headlines (including declining television profits and the like, so you don't just think I'm talking about steroids) that by themselves would incriminate Selig for doing a poor job more and more Bonds scandals appear to take up the front page space? And it's no secret that Selig has been after Bonds, anyway. It's just the why part that nobody cares about.

I don't think we're in Tin Foil Hat territory here. I think there are definite trends that point specifically to what you're talking about.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2007 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds did not appeal

Sweeney has a camp?

by Evan on Jan 11, 2007 9:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Storm? Maybe not. Shitty for sure, though.

Either way, this is two REALLY shitty things, both inexcusable and indefensible (even for E, I should think): taking the amphetamines despite well publicized rules against them, and then ratting out a teammate. I don't know that this will quite turn out to be a 'storm' (a couple days of hysteria on KNBR's sportsphone, maybe), but this is really shitty behavior.

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 11, 2007 12:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Storm? Maybe not. Shitty for sure, though.

Go ahead, believe everything you read, but remember, they could pull this kind of crap on ANY PLAYER. Remember the study that showed that something like 8 of 9 ballplayers were using greenies? Give me a friggin' break.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Didn't the media already try playing the 'Rat' card on Rafael Palmeiro? And didn't Tejada (the guy he supposedly ratted out) say nothing happened?

I'll wait until Sweeney speaks on the subject before anything.

by BruteSentiment on Jan 11, 2007 12:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

sweeny's agent came out and said that he heard his client was named...thats all you will ever hear about this

by bacci40 on Jan 11, 2007 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/01/11/bonds.amphetamines/?cnn=yes

"Sweeney apparently confronted Bonds, and Bonds told him that Orza had misunderstood, that he had not intended to implicate his teammate."

"Orza also refused to comment on what he said to Sweeney or about Bonds' failed test, but added, "I can say unequivocally in my 22 years I've known Barry Bonds he has never blamed anyone for anything.""

So much for Barry finking on a teammate. Fuck the media and their lying ways. Yes, drawing the conclusion you want even though there is evidance to support the conclusion you don't want is nothing short of lying!

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 1:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

okay, maybe orza misunderstood

but why did bonds mention sweeney's name AT ALL?

when sweeney confronted bonds, he said orza "misunderstood" and he had not "intended" to implicate his teammate?

why didn't bonds respond with "i never said anything about you to orza"?

this could (and probably does) still mean that bonds said he might have tested positive from something he got from sweeney.

by xbhaskarx on Jan 11, 2007 1:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: okay, maybe orza misunderstood

We do not know what Barry said to Orza nor do we why Orza decided that this ment he should give Sweeney a heads up. Frankly, we and the media have no right to know any of this and probably will never know what was actually said. There are just too many ways for Orza to misunderstand what Barry was saying or for that matter for Sweeney to misunderstand what Orza was saying. We don't even know if this was the only subject of the conversations between Orza and Barry or Orza and Sweeney and that someone didn't just think the other party was taking about this subject when they might have actually changed the subject. Haven't you and your spouse or significant other ever had a misunderstanding? Is it really that hard for you to understand how one party in either of these converstations might misunderstand what the other party is saying?

The bottom line to me is this quote from Orza:

"I can say unequivocally in my 22 years I've known Barry Bonds he has never blamed anyone for anything."

As I said before: FUCK THE MEDIA AND THEIR LYING WAYS. They clearly find it impossible to just report the facts. They instead find it necessary to draw conclusions even if all the facts don't support the conclusions they draw just so long as these conclusions are the ones they want to sell to the masses that are only to willing to buy their lies.

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 1:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: okay, maybe orza misunderstood

Sure, there are always misunderstandings and we can never know exactly what Bonds said, but he must have implicated Sweeney in some respect, even in just an off-handed, non-specific way. Otherwise, why would Sweeney's name even have come up (which we know it did, becuase both Orza and Sweeney's agent confirm this)? I know you say that maybe Bonds had changed the subject, but I don't buy that for a second. Bonds was having a very important conversation about his positive drug test, and he changes the subject to mention Sweeney regarding something else? How exactly would that go? "Speaking of amphetamines, that Mark Sweeney makes a mean White Russian."

by English Professor on Jan 11, 2007 2:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

it's clear bonds mentioned sweeney's name, and that's bad enough.
when you're being asked about a positive drug test, you don't bring up the names of teammates (unless you're a snitch/rat).

by xbhaskarx on Jan 11, 2007 2:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

Again, you don't know what all Barry and Orza were talking about. To assume that this was the only subject and that the converstation was extreamly serious is just foolish. After all, fist time failure of this test is supose to remain confidential (because it is understood that it could be just a false positive) with the only result being that you will have to be tested 6 more times to insure that it was indeed a false postive.

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 2:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

Yeah, you're right. This was just a misunderstanding. And the failed test bwas just a false positive. And he really thought what Greg Anderson gave him was just flax seed oil. He just can't catch a break. He's always been perfectly honest and never cheated in any way. Seriously, who's being foolish now?

Look, I love to watch Bonds play. I'm a Giants fan and he's given me literally thousands of hours of enjoyment, and some of the greatest moments of my life as a sports fan. And I will continue to cheer him as long as he wears a Giant uniform, I think I owe him that much. But I gave up defending his actions a long time ago. Honestly, I don't know what's worse, the biased media who slam him and drag him down at every opportunity, or the Barry apologists, with their blinders on, making excuses and constructing elaborate scenarios to give him the benefit of doubt even when it's clear he doesn't deserve it.

by English Professor on Jan 11, 2007 2:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

Your response is just more proof that all it takes to sell an opinion to to say it over and over and over again and soon most will believe it to be fact and few will have the balls to challange it. I am not saying Barry couldn't be guilty but I am damm well saying that he deserves the same presumption of innocence that I or you or the members of the media for that matter would expect if we were accused as he is being. In Barry case it has gone well beyond just being accused, in Barry's case it is nothing short a a witch hunt driven by the media with the sole goal of hanging Barry. I just can not stand by and allow this to go by unchallanged. If you can, then I say SHAME (YES THE SAME SHAME THE MEDIA DESERVES) on you!

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 2:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

You want to lay all this at the media's feet (and I agree they are TREMENDOUSLY slanted against Bonds, well past the point of unprofessionalism), but you forget one major flaw in that argument: The media just got ahold of this today. It wasn't the media who claimed Bonds ratted out Sweeney. Sweeney was told about this during last season, not by the media, but by Gene Orza, who told him to remove said substances from his locker. The media didn't even know about the test, Sweeney's inclusion by Bonds in the matter, or anything else. How then, exactly, is this the media's doing? Did the media taint Bonds's sample? Did a member of the media impersonate Bonds on the call and mention Sweeney? I'd seriously like to know how you think they fabricated this. And please, be specific. No broad generalizations. State exactly how they are responsible for this.

by English Professor on Jan 11, 2007 3:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

The reporter stated "Sweeney apparently confronted Bonds, and Bonds told him that Orza had misunderstood, that he had not intended to implicate his teammate." but he provided no source for this statement and did not even claim to have an unknown source. How do we know that this is not just made up (an outright lie) because it fits the opinion the reporter is trying to sell that Barry tried to blame Sweeney?

Orza said ""I can say unequivocally in my 22 years I've known Barry Bonds he has never blamed anyone for anything.". Why didn't this cause the reporter to hold off on drawing the conclusion that Barry tried to blame Sweeney? Could it be that this is the conclusion the reporter wanted to draw and that he was going to do his best to minimize any evidance to the contrary? Yeah, I say this reporter lied. I have as much evidance to make this claim as he does to clain that Barry tried to blame Sweeney for his failed test and the reporter has far more motive to lie then Barry has to blame Sweeney. These were after all test results that were supose to remain private and Barry did not try to fight their only consequence of having to be tested once a month for the next six months.

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 3:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

Re-read what you just wrote and tell me you aren't doing the exact same thing that you've been accusing the media of doing. To wit:

"They instead find it necessary to draw conclusions even if all the facts don't support the conclusions they draw just so long as these conclusions are the ones they want to sell to the masses"

You are drawing conclusions -- that they media is actually lying, and Bonds is innocent -- even if all the facts don't support them, just so long as it fits with the version you're trying to sell here. Despite evidence to the contrary, you just keep hanging onto one piece of information -- the Orza quote you have now re-printed three separate times -- to support your conclusion. And keep in mind Orza has as much reason to be disingenuous on this topic as any media member. More so, in fact -- reporters may want to sully Bonds, but it's Orza's job to defend him.

by English Professor on Jan 11, 2007 3:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: exactly.

The difference is I am not trying to sell my opinion as fact. I am simply trying to state my opinion because it is a view that is just not represented by the media. Yes, I have a bias, but I admit my bias and it is the fact that they don't admit their bias that gets me so upset.

Again, my main point is that Barry deserves the same treatment you or I or the media would expect. He deserves an honest reporting of the facts (not opinion sold as facts) and he deserves the presumption of innocense. It don't matter that he is a jurk. To me it doesn't even matter if he used steroids upto and including the 2003 season. If (and yes I at least still believe "If" can not only be used but must be used) Barry did lie to the Grand Jury I sure can understand why. Why the hell would he tell them the truth when he knew that it would be leaked and used against him even though he had the right to expect it to remain private. Likewise why would Barry try to blame Sweeney when he know this too would be leaked in another effort to try and make him look bad.

There is just too much "Barry Hatred" here for me to buy any of this.

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 4:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

A mixup at the locker pharmacy

Maybe Sweeney just made a mistake.

Maybe he was trying to slip Bonds a ruffie after that sexy Paula Abdul impression last year.

by Moggeee on Jan 11, 2007 2:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

And so it begins...the roller coaster of a ride called the 2007 "Barry pushes old ladies down flights of stairs after losing a quid on the southern-style cock fights" Media blitz season.

Does anyone have some earplugs, because I'm already tired of this crap! I've already came up with a plan for how I'm going to maim Pedro Gomez the second I see him hanging on Barry's soiled jockstrap.

Hats for bats, keep bats warm !

by PacBellBoozer on Jan 11, 2007 1:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

For those who care...

...I've never lost a cock fight.

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 11, 2007 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: For those who care...

Thank you for sharing.

"In the Autumn of his Winter, comes man's last mad surge of youth".

by Ghost11 on Jan 11, 2007 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't lose what you don't have

by wilriv21 on Jan 11, 2007 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Can't lose what you don't have

That's a savage burn.

I've grown up a lot since before dinner, when we last talked.

by groug on Jan 11, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Can't lose what you don't have

I'll have you know that I'm very close to getting my "cocksman" merit badge...so there!

The term "cocksman" has always made me laugh.

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 11, 2007 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Can't lose what you don't have

The term "cocksman" has always made me laugh.

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 11, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Skin Deep

Best cock fight I ever seen was with John Ritter in the movie "Skin Deep". Hilarious.

by wilriv21 on Jan 11, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Fun times to be a Giants fan, ain't it? Bonds better hit .390 with 120 homers to make us forget about this crap.

Brian Sabean for President! Whatever keeps him away from the Giants.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jan 11, 2007 1:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I will be more then satisfied with 30+ bombs and a trip to the playoffs. This is all media driven hystaria and a renewed effort to "FUCK BONDS". I say FUCK THE MEDIA!

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 1:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd say Barry...

...did a pretty bangup job of screwing himself on this one.

But the media does love to jump him.

by Moggeee on Jan 11, 2007 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: I'd say Barry...

A just how did Barry "Screw himself"? Did Barry leak his test results? Did Barry leak his converstation with Orza? Did Barry leak Orza's converstation with Sweeney? Were not all of these items that all parties had a right to expect to be kept private?

Let's switch subjects to the drug test failure rather then the discussion of one player accused of ratting on another. (By the way, if using drugs is bad then why isn't ratting good?) One thing that bothers me most about this is the assumption so many make that failing just one of these tests is conclusive proof of cheating. They just don't understand the science. It is just so easy to have a false positive and false positives happen alot in this kind of testing or any kind of medical testing. This is why the Union (and for that matter any union) has, would, and should fight hard for punishment to only happen after multiple test failures. You mignt be guilty after one failure, you probably are guilty after two, and it would be really hard to fail three and not be guilty. This is actually even more true when it comes to stimulents as opposed to steroids becuase they are far more widely produced and thus far more likely to end up as contamination in otherwise perfectly acceptable supplements.

by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2007 2:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: I'd say Barry...

Moggeee, do you have a source that we don't, because frankly, there's all the reason in the world to believe that 90% of pro ballplayers have dirty laundry, and only ONE is being focused on!

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

So much for the storm being on the 'Horizon'.

by BruteSentiment on Jan 11, 2007 2:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Ah Crap! Here we go..... Remember when being a baseball fan just meant, well, being a baseball fan? One more year of fun and games on the Bonds train.

by benny on Jan 11, 2007 3:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

As far as "ratting out" Sweeney.

Hypothetical scenario: Bonds is tired. Sweeney offers him something that isn't greenies per se, but metabolizes as such (I don't know how far off the amphetamine structure you can be to get the same metabolites in your urine--would Ritalin, say, give you a positive?). Bonds flunks the test. Orza, being the PLAYER rep, contacts Bonds, and Barry says, "We better warn Mark," since Sweeney would, like Bonds, be assuming it wasn't going to make him flunk the test.

Has Bonds "ratted out" Sweeney, or protected him? Again, seeing as how the middleman here isn't someone who works for Selig, it's someone who works for the players, I think it's jumping to conclusions to imply Bonds threw Sweeney under the bus.

"When I think of how many times the Enemy has tried to kill Gary Busey..."

by multiphasic on Jan 11, 2007 4:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

A game of Twister anyone?

I guess your scenario is as possible as any, but it doesn't sound very Bonds-like.

by otis29 on Jan 11, 2007 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A game of Twister anyone?

Yeah, it doesn't seem quite as clever when read at a time other than 4 a.m. But the point was that saying "I got these from Sweeney," to a player's rep, in a situation where everything is supposed to be anonymous, can have another context beyond selling someone else out. It doesn't get Sweeney in any significant trouble under normal circumstances.

"When I think of how many times the Enemy has tried to kill Gary Busey..."

by multiphasic on Jan 11, 2007 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Q: If Sweeney is let go, will Klesko will be supplying the greenies?
A: Yes, but with more power.

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 11, 2007 5:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I want to laugh but first I must cry.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I wake up and see very vague notes on Bonds being a dick on my LiveJournal friends list. I'll go to work, where I sit in front of an obnoxious and loud Padres fan who doesn't know shit about shit but thinks he knows everything, and I know he'll be all over this. I suppose everyone's entitled to an opinion even if it makes them sound like a raging asshat.

I need to read more about this incident before I formulate my own opinion. I'd like to express myself in a way that does not make me look like a raging asshat. Y'all deserve that much from a McCovey Chronicles poster.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 6:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Hell yes, I totally agree with you. I'm too damned tired to even read this crap so early in the morning. Coming to work at 7 a.m. sucks. I need at least three cups of extra-strong coffee to deal with this IT stuff. Seriously.

by Skaldheim on Jan 11, 2007 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Dude, I am a software developing machine in the morning. However, by 11:30 I've lost all focus and spend the next 5.5 hours clicking refresh on McC.

I could probably use some of Sweeney's potion.

by mxmob33 on Jan 11, 2007 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Thank you. As I said in an earlier post, here fucking here. A-fucking-men.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

...an obnoxious and loud Padres fan who doesn't know shit about shit...

Wow, a triple redundancy! Nice work, Baron!

You're nobody 'til everybody in
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

by EliminateMe on Jan 11, 2007 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Did I have you at "Padres fan?"

I'm getting to the point where there are fans of teams I just cannot get along with. What does it say when I have Dodger fan friends, but by and large Padres fans and Red Sox fans piss me off without fail? A's fans are increasingly annoying and that's pretty crappy for me because I support the Athleticos.

I'm better off staying with the Giants and Brewers. Never had a problem with Milwaukee fans. Brewers fans are cool. Or drunk. Either way I like them.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I agree completely and absolutely, which is saying a lot twice.

I live with a Dodger fan, and we get along great, but sometimes I have trouble even looking at Sox fans on TV for crying out loud.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2007 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

To boot, one of my close Dodger friends hates Bonds virulently and we still get along great.

I do have a few Sox fans who are cool and they're trying to get me to go out to Fenway for the Giants series in June. After this new shitstorm I'm not sure I should go. I don't want to go 3000 miles just to get thrown in jail for assaulting Sawks fans spewing their special brand of bullshit.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I was pretty sure this was the turning point, and that the Neverending Excuse Brigade would finally disband over this unbelievable turn of events.

Wrong again. For most people this will vault Bonds over Palmeiro as the biggest jackass in recent MLB history....if he wasn't there already. On Mac Chronicles we go after the Post and Orza.

by Stoned Slacker on Jan 11, 2007 7:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

The Neverending excuse brigade? Where are all the stories on Pujols, who used the same trainer as caught steroid users? Seriously, where are all the investigations into everyone else? The amphetamine test is supposed to be kept quiet: where's the daylight on every other player's results?

AND HOW BOUT THIS ONE: MOST ARTICLES WON'T MENTION THAT THIS POSITIVE NON-STEROID TEST MEANT THAT BONDS WAS TESTED 6 MORE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE SEASON- TESTS THAT HE OBVIOUSLY PASSED.

They are trying way, way, way too hard to force this guy out so that he can't break the record. It's sick.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

And for the record, and this is important, I don't idolize Bonds, I never really have, and I'd be fine if he weren't on the team. I was there when he hit 715, and I was surprised at how unmoving it was for me. However, he is an incredible ballplayer, and he plays in an era where a lot of ballplayers are using performance enhancers. It is the way he is being targeted that pisses me off. Believe me, I have no intention of being a Barry apologist.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I was waiting for something to be said about Pujols' connection in the Grimsley case. Nada. Surprised? Not me! Wanna help me shoot myself in the face?

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Grimsley? Who's that? I haven't heard that name in months. Huh. Is he related to Sean Merriman or the San Diego Chargers? I hear that dude's a helluva athlete.

The behavior of all parties in this mess has been thoroughly disgusting. Athletes, press, government, none of them have anything to be proud of here.

by Skaldheim on Jan 11, 2007 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed, & would add sports team mgt/owners

Love Giants; get heart and mind fried by Giants; repeat.

by Mayor of 311 on Jan 11, 2007 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

...would add sports team mgt/owners

I knew I was forgetting someone! Yep, them too.

by Skaldheim on Jan 11, 2007 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

and us fans share in the blame too

by wilriv21 on Jan 11, 2007 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

The reason the Merriman case didn't become a ridiculous deal is because it was dealt with by the by-and-large quick moving, responsible NFL under long established foreign substance rules.

The only reason we expect Merriman to become a martyr is because of the ridiculous amount of attention that MLB has pushed on Bonds and the steroid issue over the last few years.

After all, MLB is the only sport that fanaticizes punishable offenses first and punishes them later, if at all.

The continued media hero worship of Merriman during the aftermath is pretty obnoxious, though, and the whole situation only goes to further exemplify the innate hypocricies of the media and the poor handling of Major League Baseball from the top down.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2007 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Or, martyr is the wrong term isn't it? Not for the stoned to death part, but for the inspiring action among the masses as a symbol of an ideal as the result of being stoned to death part...

Anyway, you all know what I meant.

Coming to you by proxy

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2007 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

"Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test."

What I'm most upset about is that this crap keeps getting reported when, according to policy (and federal law, in regards to his "purjury"), it is apparently supposed to not be made public. That's what sticks out most to me about this.

"If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat."

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 11, 2007 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Does someone in MLB leaking this "confidential" info constitute perjury? I thought you'd had to be under sworn oath to do that. It's more of a violation of privacy, I'd think.

Biggest mankinder in the history of no brain.

by Goofus on Jan 11, 2007 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I was referring to the "perjury" they say he committed under oath in the BALCO case. This shouldn't have been made public either.

While it's not a criminal act (I assume), the release of this information is not only a violation of privacy, but it is against MLB policy and someone should be held accountable for it. Just because something is done for a big story doesn't make it right, if it is against the rules.

"If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat."

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 11, 2007 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Believe me, it's the MLB that is instigating this. Who else would want the spotlight on one player, and the record to remain unbeaten?

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Oh I agree, for sure. But what do we know? We're just ignorant Giants fans rooting for the devil incarnate.

"If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, by golly, it's a rat."

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 11, 2007 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Well, I wouldn't be suprised if this information was part of the test results that the feds got from MLB. If so, I suspect that this is the only positive test that they could find for him.

The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Jan 11, 2007 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Isn't this something Bonds could sue MLB over?

by huro1010 on Jan 11, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Ah, the wonders that would do for his reputation.

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Probably only if they leaked the info, or didn't do a reasonable job guarding it. Again, I would note that the feds did receive a whole lotta tst results recently.

The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Jan 11, 2007 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

That's my sticking point too. We know why this got out. Question is how and who, and will anything be done about it? I'm guessing not.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

I have a hard time trusting the media about Bonds. There is just so much bias and hate aimed at him that nearly every story makes him out to be this monster drug addict who eates chidren. Look the guy is a dick but who the fuck cares enough to keep going after him. Who would profit? OHH thats right the media does by making more deadlines....... I'm not going to believe something that should have been kept secret. That just means we arn't getting the whole story. We don't know all the facts and the reporters know that! They also know the stink about ANY Bonds allegation will get them noticed.

Get used to this boys and girls because this is whats is going to happen all year. Every little sweety baseball beat writer is going to try to get his/her hooks into Barry and help drag him down and get some pub while they are at it.

by someguynamedg on Jan 11, 2007 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: A Bonds' Storm on the Horizon

Yawn. If anything, the fact that Bonds gets tested 6 times next season is a good thing. If he does have any sort of a comeback season, it will be harder for people to claim he's back on the goods.

by mxmob33 on Jan 11, 2007 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Drop the kid

Drop the bum, sign JD Drew. Put Roberts in LF, Winn in CF and Drew in RF.

Let me get this straight. I get busted and I put the blame on someone else? And I do not appeal??

by wilriv21 on Jan 11, 2007 10:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Drop the kid

"Hi Ralph, its wilriv in Timbuktu on a payphone--first time caller, long time listener"

Ralph: "Welcome to the show wilriv--whats on your mind."

wilriv: "I had this really good idea for a Giants trade and how to fix MLB for little children to be happy-happy, goody-goody.

Ralph: "(yawn) Go ahead wilrv, make it brief, we're coming up on a hard break."

wilriv: "Well first we trade Barry Bonds to the Florida Marlins for Miguel Cabrera, Josh Johnson, Dontrelle Willis, Dan Uggla, Scott Kazmir, Jonny Gomes and a pack of Wrigleys Spearmint gum.

Ralph: "Kazmir and Gomes play for the Devil Rays wilriv.(yawn)"

wilriv: "Lemmee alone, its my trade okay?. You see we get Gomes because he's a local guy and people always like to sees home grown talent. Same thing with Willis." Players always want to play in their hometown. Even if its for less money, and the management is cheap, and their playing time is blocked and when they are played, its to their weaknesses and not their strengths. So stop picking on me or I am going to tell my dad and he'll come over and beat up your dad.'

Ralph: "okay, okay, simmer down. Even if this hallucination of yours were to happen, how does it address the steroid issue and make MLB happy-happy and goody-goody for little children?

wilriv: "Simple Ralph. When Barry gets traded to Florida he will have his entourage with him right?

Ralph: "Whatever...keep it moving please, we're just about out of time.

wilriv: "Well the way I see it, Barry will have lots of free time during the day since Florida plays all its games at night and so with his spare time he and his entourage will be filming a deep sea fishing episode for ESPN22 "Outdoor Life" when a big old hurricane comes up and swamps the boat and Barry and all his bad friends drown in the ocean and we all live happily ever after. And then we can sign JD Drew as a free agent too because he won't like Boston because all the people there talk with funny accents and he will want to play where there is lots of nice people like me to clap for him.

Ralph: "Thanks for calling wilriv." click

Ralph: "And there you have it, the call of the century! Classic. And now this word from our sponsor: Ridelin

Save The Pitcher. Save The World

by E Ticket on Jan 12, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Drop the kid

Hah!

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jan 12, 2007 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds and Greenies

Nothing Bonds does surprises me anymore.
vr, Xei

Go Dodgers!

by Xeifrank on Jan 11, 2007 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds and Greenies

Totally agree. Next time I watch that awesome scene in "Harold and Kumar" where NPH is doing blow off of naked hookers in a speeding car...I'll be thinking of Barry.

No, I'm serious.

by Skaldheim on Jan 11, 2007 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds and Greenies

Barry is so "EXTREME!!!!"

I own my own business and I'm a giants fan; being a Giants fan is harder.

by hairball on Jan 11, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Bonds and Greenies

If he's slammin' to Wilson Phillips then you know he's extreme.

SFDugout: it's where all the cool kids go.

by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 11, 2007 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

People Are We Forgetting...

the most important lesson from all broo-ha-ha? this means sweeney is loopin' it up! i for one welcome our new twitchy pinch-hitting overlord.

Dodgers fans eat their young.

by redhornet78 on Jan 11, 2007 12:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Are we forgetting what?

That Bonds took PED and then put his blame excuse on someone else? What proof is there that Sweeney gave anything to Bonds other than that of a cheating Bonds?

by wilriv21 on Jan 11, 2007 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs