"I stabbed my brain..."
It's pointless to try and dissect Russ Ortiz's stats from the past two seasons; if he's still that pitcher, he won't last long. He probably wouldn't make it out of spring training. The Giants love the extra satisfaction that comes with the name brand purchase, but a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball is a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball is a pitcher who can't command an 85-mph fastball. No one's going to fall for that anymore. If his problem was really mechanical and not physical - which is what Ortiz has been declaring for the past two seasons - maybe he really did figure it out down in Puerto Rico. And maybe Richard Hidalgo is ready to be a cleanup hitter again. Why not?
Yesterday's post featured a lot of pitchers who would probably make better relievers than starters, at least for 2007, so I'm not opposed to bringing in competition for the fifth spot. The upside is that just two years ago, Russ Ortiz finished his fourth straight season with an ERA better than the league average. His peripherals were lousy each time, so even when he's on he's a brutal pitcher to watch. Still, he is not that far removed from being a very valuable starting pitcher.
The downside is that his name buys him a whole bunch of grace, especially if he small samples his way into a good spring. A 30 IP, 17 H, 18 BB, 18 K performance leads to a 3.34 ERA, which leads to an April and May of hearing, "Man, if we're just a little more patient, maybe the Ortiz from March will come back." The downside is that Russ Ortiz has been worse than awful over the past two seasons.
Now it's on to the McCovey Chronicles groupthink. Take a guess at these fill-in-the-blanks, and we'll see who gets the closest. Winner receives an invitation to join the ultra-exclusive Yahoo! Mail:
- He wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than _ _ _ _.
- His spring ERA will be _ _ _ _, with a walk/strikeout ratio of _ _ _ _.
- He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for _ _ _ _, and will put up a _ _ _ _ ERA during that time.
And the people here will weep.
And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in Game Six of the 2002 World Series?
The last time I hated giving a chance to a pitcher with stats this poor, he became an All-Star closer for Minnesota. Man, the Giants shouldn't have traded that guy.
And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in?
Remember when Joe Nathan put up Ortizian stats in AAA, and then became a surprisingly effective reliever? And then remember when we traded him and prospects for A.J. Pierzynski? Remember that? Man, that didn't work out.
And why didn't Dusty keep Ortiz in?
This signing puts me in a weird mood.
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Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
*His spring ERA will be 3.88, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 14/17.
*He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 2 months, and will put up a 5.27 ERA during that time.
by hairball on Jan 10, 2007 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Dood. Those are some painful memories you brought up. I just got heartburn all over again. I gots to move on from that. It is like sucking on a mold infested lime.
by E Ticket on Jan 10, 2007 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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Russ's numbers have been too wierd over the last 2 seasons to even try.
In defense of the signing I will point this out: Russ is extremely cheap. ARZ is paying for him to play while the Giants drop the league mininum for a pitcher that could, COULD turn out to have just suffered a bad spell and end up being productive. Its kind of easy to put Russ in the pen or on the bench if he isnt workin out -- hes cheap.
Lastly, in or out, why did Dusty give him the ball? It haunts me as much as why he didnt start Woody in game 7. Or why he-who-is-now-a-bum wouldnt start (altho it probably didnt matter at that point).
by ckrehel on Jan 10, 2007 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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# His spring ERA will be 4.17, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 17/12.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for three months, and will put up a 4.75 ERA during that time, yet Sanchez puts up a 1.48 ERA starting for Fresno.
by WalrusMan on Jan 10, 2007 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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As for the season, I predict he will be the 5'th starter until the All-Star break at which point he will move up to #3 starter.
Season stats: 14-9. ERA approximately 4.00.
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 10, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by E Ticket on Jan 10, 2007 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
If he lives up to the rest of your projection, I think he officially wins the Comeback Player of Forever award.
by Evan on Jan 10, 2007 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stranger Things Have Happened...
by DrBGiantsfan on Jan 10, 2007 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
What seems particularly hopeless about Ortiz is (a) he doesn't seem to have had any injury, (b) 2006 marked his fifth straight year of decline, (c) even when he was good he had terrible command, and (d) he's well into his thirties now, which is about the time pitchers start losing their fastball anyway. Adding all that up, a comeback seems like the longest of longshots.
by Evan on Jan 11, 2007 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
by Roger on Jan 11, 2007 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
My prediction, Ortiz doesn't make it out of spring training.
by GiantJim on Jan 11, 2007 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Stranger Things Have Happened...
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Jan 11, 2007 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
It's really a great yahoo mail address, too. You'd never guess it, even if you tried.
Maybe I'll try at these stats later anyway. Like I always say, it can't hurt to have two.
by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2007 2:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You all are much too optimistic
His spring ERA will be 2.32, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/40.
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for two months, and will put up a 2.75 ERA during that time.
He will then suffer a season-ending injury and be replaced by Darren Oliver (despite Sanchez' aforementioned 1.48 ERA at Fresno), who will post a 6.20 ERA the rest of the year as the Giants ooze from first to third place.
by antinous on Jan 10, 2007 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
- Sign Russ Ortiz
- ???
- World Series Champs
by biff pocoroba on Jan 10, 2007 2:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
??? = Itching powder.
Right? It's itching powder, isn't it?
by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2007 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
His spring ERA will be 3.50, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 22/15.
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 15 starts, and will put up a 6.33 ERA during that time.
Speaking of Pyrzinski, Do you think he and Urban Meyer look like brothers? Maybe cousins?
by MeSoKrabby on Jan 10, 2007 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain with a spoon."
His Spring ERA will be 14.97, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 21/14.
He will be cut prior to the season.
by W8ingForATitle on Jan 10, 2007 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
# His spring ERA will be 3.60, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 20/40.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 1462 years, and will put up a 9998 ERA during that time.
by lunaticfridge on Jan 10, 2007 3:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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His spring ERA will be 4.50, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 1/1.
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 4.50 ERA during that time.
by English Professor on Jan 10, 2007 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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His spring ERA will be 1.98 with a walk/strikeout ratio of 1.5/1
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season and will put up a 163.45 ERA during that time.
by The Balls of Summer on Jan 10, 2007 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Ghost11 on Jan 10, 2007 4:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by otis29 on Jan 10, 2007 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
His spring ERA will be 3.45, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/11 (in 20 innings).
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for 3 months, and will put up a 5.78 ERA during that time. (and we will continually hear about how he's just about to turn the corner and how the next start is the one where he puts it all together and how he knows he's a better pitcher than this and how we all have to be patient.)
by jponry on Jan 10, 2007 4:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
"This is the start where he turns the corner"
"He's finally figured out the game in his head"
"Blah blah blah blah"
by The Nick on Jan 10, 2007 5:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
6
11/12
8 starts, 6.66 ERA
by Captain Obvious on Jan 10, 2007 6:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Someone had to do it:
His spring ERA will be ridiculously high, with a walk/strikeout ratio of astronomical proportions.
He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for Fresno, and will put up a stratospheric ERA during that time.
by giantnitpick on Jan 10, 2007 7:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
# His spring ERA will be 4.80, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 18/19.
# He will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 5.50 ERA during that time.
by Skaldheim on Jan 10, 2007 8:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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- Russ Ortiz wins the rotation spot if his spring ERA is lower than 5.50 (Although even if Ortiz posts a spring training ERA of 7.50, as long as he peaks during his last Cactus League start, he will win the spot in the rotation).
- His spring ERA will be 4.79, with a walk/strikeout ratio of 15/20.
- Ortiz will inhabit the fifth starter's role for the entire season, and will put up a 4.77 ERA, going 12-11, during that time.
by Kid Fresh on Jan 10, 2007 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
Anyway...best of luck in 2007...if he makes the team because he has improved...good for us. If not, adios and cheers...
by whataboutbob on Jan 11, 2007 12:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: "I stabbed my brain..."
-ERA needed to be 5th starter: 3.00 or lower
-Spring ERA: 5.85
-He will inhabit the 5th starter's role, in Fresno, for 2 months. He won't show anything, and will be released when the Giants are ready to promote a starter from Connecticut.
by Lyle on Jan 11, 2007 6:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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