Just Another Sad Hillenbrand Diary... With Numbers!
I repeat: the difference we should be analyzing from here on out is not that between Hilly/Niekro, but Hilly/Sweeney. Here is what they've done so far:
Hillenbrand: 1.1 WARP (80 games, 316 PAs, God knows how much DHing kept the WARP from sinking, as he's firmly below average--1B--to awful--3B--with the leather)
Sweeney: 1.3 WARP (73 games, 215 PAs, defense in LF actually hurts him, but defense at 1B has been excellent)
(Sh**s and Giggles) Niekro: 0.4 WARP (52 games, 191 PAs, best defensive 1B in the game)
Chulk: 4.66 FIP
Accardo 2.50 FIP(!!!)(For reference, of NL relievers who have thrown more than 35 IP, that's THIRD, and it's roughly in line with Bobby Jenks and Scot Shields's FIPs)
Using more HardballTimes metrics, not taking fielding into account:
Sweeney: 28 RC in 215 PAs (5.4 RC/G)
Accardo: 16 PRC in 40.3 IP
Total up to date: 44
Hillenbrand: 38 RC in 319 PAs (5.0 RC/G)
Chulk: 7 PRC in 24 IP
Total up to date: 45
The RC are essentially equal, except that if you adjust for playing time, the Giants got the short end of this one. To boot, the Giants have gotten the production out of their 1Bs that they can pretty much expect out of Hilly. IT'S NOT AN UPGRADE, AND WE GAVE UP ACCARDO.
It's arguable that Sweeney is the better option at 1B going forward for this season and that Hillenbrand is the one who should be coming off the bench (Hilly for lefties, Finley for righties). But, clearly, we didn't get this guy to do that; Hilly's gonna start, and thus we're screwed. In order to profit from this trade, I think Wilson/Sanchez/Chulk(?) will have to significantly outproduce Accardo, because Hilly MIGHT only be the slightest of improvements over Sweeney at 1B (since it's probably too much to expect an intelligent platoon). Best-case scenario in the next few weeks is giving Sanchez a starting role at SOME level where he shows his A-ball performance wasn't a fluke (Can we start the Free Sanchez! campaign now? What about the Wright for Bullpen! campaign?), change of scenery turns Hilly into a right handed modern day Don Mattingly with the stick for the second half, Wilson's increased role embiggens him, Bonds's injury is just a flesh wound, and Lincecum blows through the minors into the bigs to make Morris expendable before the end of August, leading to a trade of Benitez, Morris, and Wright for Mariano Rivera, Philip Hughes, Jessica Beale, Jessica Alba, and Cillian Murphy. In that scenario, we'd win the West by about two games, since the Dodgers will get a Jake Westbrook type pitcher before the deadline to give us a run for our money, and we'd all be better people because we'd have Beale, Alba, and Murphy to walk around and simply be beautiful.
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Re: Just Another Sad Hillenbrand Diary... With Num
Good Sweeney + Bad Sweeney/Other guy that can't hit left-handed pitching
swapped out for
A guy that is about as good as Sweeney against righties, and absolutely destroys lefties.
In addition, this allows Sweeney to be used as the bat off the bench he was meant to be, taking critcal at-bats away from Jose Vizcaino at the back end of the bench.
I don't love the trade -- I don't particularly like it -- but I can appreciate the offensive upgrade and versatility. Sweeney is very, very limited as a starter.
Re: Just Another Sad Hillenbrand Diary... With Num
The big difference at 1B already happened with Sweeney for Neikro, but Hillenbrand vs. LHP and Sweeney off the bench helps, but not enough to negate the Accardo loss, IMO.
by GiantJim on Jul 22, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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.278 .377 .476
Well, that's why I wrote "almost as good". The differences are more extreme than I thought, but Hillenbrand isn't helpless: .285/.329/.438 to Sweeney's .278/.377/.476 from 2003 to 2005. That includes two years in Colorado, but I guess Hillenbrand wasn't exactly playing in the Astrodome.
I agree with you that I would like more of a strict platoon, but even without that the lineup and bench are much more balanced. Balanced enough to cost Accardo? Not really, and that's where I start to dislike the deal.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 22, 2006 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Jul 22, 2006 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Jul 23, 2006 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Marc Normandin @ McCovey Chronicles on Jul 23, 2006 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
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Sweeney has never been a full time starter. Is it reasonable to expect him to continue to post a .260 EqA for the rest of the season as a full time starter, especially if he has to face LHP?
I don't feel strongly about the trade one way or the other (don't really like it, but don't hate it), but I can see where Sabean is coming from.
by Fog City Blues on Jul 22, 2006 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
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by GiantJim on Jul 22, 2006 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
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by losingcalifornia on Jul 22, 2006 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
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Actually, this is his age 36 season.
by Fog City Blues on Jul 22, 2006 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
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by losingcalifornia on Jul 22, 2006 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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The thing is, I feel much more comfortable saying that Hillenbrand's true level of talent is that of a .260 - .270 EqA hitter than I do saying Sweeney's true level of talent is that of a 116 OPS+ hitter.
Hillenbrand has been an everyday player who gets 500-600 PAs a year and has put up fairly consistent numbers since his rookie year.
Here are Sweeney's OPS+ for the last few years:
2002 - 30
2003 - 81
2004 - 110
2005 - 136
Of course it's not surprising that his numbers are volatile given the sample sizes involved. But that's my point. I feel more comfortable projecting performance for an every day player who gets 500-600 PAs a year and puts up pretty consistent numbers than I do a part time player who gets 200 PAs a year.
Again, I'm not really a fan of the trade. All I'm saying is that Hillenbrand is more of a known quantity than Sweeney and that was probably part of Sabean's reasoning.
by Fog City Blues on Jul 22, 2006 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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by GiantJim on Jul 22, 2006 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
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This is based on my calling for Martinez to start over Aurilia years ago because of Martinez's better numbers in a smaller sample size, and because Aurilia had a tendency to swing at first pitches and ground to short a lot, a la Feliz.
Then Martinez got more playing time and sucked, whereas Aurilia busted out with the 37 HR/97 RBI season, and I happily admitted I was wrong.
Sabean has something of a point there, at least with regard to non-prospect types.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 23, 2006 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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