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Niekro and Munter

It's amazing how the optimism of spring can obscure the true nature of logic junkies. Let's sail down the hypothetical river, and wonder what we'd be thinking if:

Noah Lowry pitched three innings, striking out eight.

Todd Linden had three homers, and didn't do an SNL-worthy Benard impression in the outfield.

Armando Benitez struck out the side in an inning of work

All of the above would have been good news. Maybe a thought or two starts to creep around in the old noggin. "Maybe, just maybe, this performance meant more than the typical spring start," we'd think before snapping back to reality. It's March, and that's our right.

But when Lance Niekro takes three walks to start the season, after acknowledging that aspect of his game is exactly what he's going to try and work on, it's time to stop being vaguely optimistic, and time to get silly. Here's what should temper the enthusiasm:

  1. Sample size! Sample size!
  2. Niekro did take some swings in the at-bats he walked. Maybe all it will take to resume hacking is one four-hit game where swings early in the count produce the hits. Goodbye new approach, hello old friend.
  3. Sample size! Sample size!
  4. The idea that 1,500 career at-bats give you more of an indication of how a player will perform than four spring at-bats will. This is also known as "sample size".
To which I respond:
  1. Sit on it, sample size fascist.
  2. Sit on it, sample size fascist.
  3. Sit on it, sample size fascist.
  4. Sit on it, sample size fascist.
Ain't nothin' gonna break a my stride on this spring day. Lance Niekro has turned over a new leaf! Niekro is the answer, and the answer is Niekro! I, for one, welcome our new on-base savvy overlord. Here's a revised prediction for Lance Niekro:

Lance Niekro

AB: 620
AVG: .350
OBP: .490
SLG: .700
HR: 53

Lock him up, Sabes! Buy out those arbitration years before it's too late! DO IT NOW!

pant pant pant pant

Okay. I'm better now. There's nothing better than tying the rubber hose around the arm, and mainlining some spring optimism. In all seriousness, it was nice to hear Niekro talk about being more patient, and it was nice to see him follow up with the plan in the first game. Now do it again, Lance, and everyone can come back in June to see if I really hyperventilate over an on-base conscious Niekro. He doesn't have to be Eddie Yost, but if he could complement a .280 average with a .350 on-base percentage, it would be much easier to feel good about the Giants offense. It's still not likely in the slightest, but fun to dream.

It's Scott Munter's turn on the projection schedule, so let's just get this one down quickly:

Scott Munter

IP: 24
ERA: 4.60
K: 8
BB: 10

I think he starts in Fresno to shake off the rust, and only comes back in case of an injury to another reliever. He'll be better than this, but not right away. This prediction will likely be wrong in terms of innings pitched, because Felipe Alou is in love with the idea of a mythical ground ball machine. I'm not far behind him with that fascination, though, so I hope Munter is at full health and proves me wrong.

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Re: Niekro and Munter
IP: 50
ERA: 3.29
K: 25
BB: 17
W-L: 2-2
"Baseball is life, the rest is just details."

by nick @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 3, 2006 12:28 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
>He doesn't have to be Eddie Yost

Yeah, but "Eddie" anything always sounds better. Try it: Eddie Niekro. Now that's a ballplayah!

Or: C'mon Eddie Morris, you bum, throw a goddam strike!

What would you rather be called: Randy Winn or Eddie Winn? I rest my case.

 

"Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of piñatas?" - El Guapo

by leftymalo on Mar 3, 2006 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
Funny you should bring that up...

When trying to pick some super-walking fool from baseball history, the top 20 BB seasons of all-time included Eddie Yost, Eddie Stanky, and Eddie Joost. I was going to try and work an Eddie gag into the post, but it was too esoteric.

by Grant Brisbee on Mar 3, 2006 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Esowhatic?
Is that an adjective for Felipe's pitching substitution patterns.

by hammystyle on Mar 3, 2006 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

silly,
Eddie isn't a food.
club ph34r - comics! rally hippo - crappier comics!

by Natto on Mar 3, 2006 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
Eddie it is then, for those moments where we are too rushed for "The Knights Who Say" or "We Say African-American Now Not". If the light bulb has really gone off for him, it will be an appropriate word of praise; if not, it fits perfectly in the old "Waiting for Boof" mold.

by NearestNorwich on Mar 4, 2006 6:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
Well, I agree with you whole-heartedly... for obvious reasons.

by BleacherEd on Mar 3, 2006 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
"Eddie Bleacher" would be better.
"Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of piñatas?" - El Guapo

by leftymalo on Mar 3, 2006 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
I see Munter, Accardo, and Taschner sharing the last two bullpen slots with multiple trips back and forth from Fresno.  I also see all three being treated as specialists that frequently only come in to face one batter.  Therefore I see 50 Appearances but just 35 Innings for each.  Now, what what will Munter do with his 35 Innings?

I see 40 Hits but just 10 BBs for a 1.43 WHIP.
I see 17 Ks, 10 Holds, 1 Blown Save(Hold) and a 3.86 ERA.  

by giantsrainman on Mar 3, 2006 12:51 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
Grant, do you have any plans on projections for the announcing crew? The Munter proections got me thinking of how many times Krukow is going to mention that Munter throws a bowling ball of a sinker. I'll go with about 198, or three per appearance. BTW, John Miller already appears to be in regular seson form, I don't actually know if the Big Kahuna has ever had an off day in all his time with the Giants.

by MeSoKrabby on Mar 3, 2006 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
I was mildly shocked when he was being interviewed the other morning and, when discussing where Winn would bat, was told that Alou had already said Winn would leadoff, which means that Miller was not paying that close of attention to what's happening to the team.  At least he knew the more important fact, that Winn was signed to an extension.
Go Giants!!!

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Mar 3, 2006 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
Thank you for spelling "fascist" correctly.  

People often spell it "facist", to which I usually reply "What is a facist?  Is that where you discriminate against people for being too ugly?"

by Stuttering John Tamargo on Mar 3, 2006 1:02 PM PST reply actions  

Didn't see/hear the game
"Niekro did take some swings in the at-bats he walked."

Until reading this, my friend and I thought perhaps Murph had sewn Niekro's sleeves to the sides of his jersey, making it impossible to swing the bat.

www.waitingfortbg.com (under contstruction)

by Goofus on Mar 3, 2006 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
My man's margin of error is positively Woody-esque, but we'll see.

IP: 45
ERA: 4.57
K: 19
BB: 16

More importantly... wow! Look at Eddie Yost! .231/.412/.336 in a full season... what a weird line.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Mar 3, 2006 1:45 PM PST reply actions  

Munter's Projection
This is based on a few facts/assumptions:
  1.  Munter appears to be completely healthy.
  2.  Felipe Alou loves the kid, calls him "Munster."
  3.  Munter has the nastiest sinker since Greg "The Moon Man" Minton.
5-1, 2.84, 76 games, 74 IP, 18 BB, 16 K, 12 GIDP.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 4, 2006 7:10 AM PST reply actions  

Scott Munter prediction
Although I don't know if he'll start the season with SF or Fresno, but by the end of the year Munter will be a vital part of the Giants bullpen. And when you consider the speed of our aging outfielders, Munter should get a lot of innings - especially in hitters' parks. Even Felipe couldn't sink this ship.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Mar 4, 2006 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Re: Niekro and Munter
IP 65
K  40
BB 15
DP 10
BS 2
ERA 2.30
RSBHP (Runs saved by Happy Pete): 15

by thegiantsrj00r0x0r on Mar 4, 2006 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

40 K's?
The 40 K's is way too high.  Munter pitches to contact with that hard sinker.  Let's the hitters just beat it into the ground.

by DrBGiantsfan on Mar 4, 2006 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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