Barry's back!
Front page of mlb.com
1 year, $16 million
I'm pretty happy with this
This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.
0 recs |
103 comments
Comments
Re: Barry's back!
What a roller coaster of a last few days. This is very, very, very, very good news.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2006 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2006 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by coreyml on Dec 7, 2006 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Sheesh , what a wet blanket.
by victor frankenstein on Dec 7, 2006 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by ololo3 on Dec 7, 2006 7:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by coreyml on Dec 7, 2006 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Gets it.
by JakeS on Dec 7, 2006 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Welcome back, Barry!
by Fog City Blues on Dec 7, 2006 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
I'm a happy camper.
by victor frankenstein on Dec 7, 2006 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you are
by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Of course you are
Because San Fran was no longer in the picture I'm supposed to say "That's it , no more leaning for any team this year."
Piss on that. I like to back a team. If my 1st choice can't go the distance then I'll throw it behind the next contender - Mets , Tigers , whoever.
But as long as they're in it , it's SF.
by victor frankenstein on Dec 9, 2006 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by mxmob33 on Dec 7, 2006 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We all knew this was going to happen
A lot of people think Bonds got stronger last year as the season went on. It will be interesting to see if he has another bad first half.
by xanthan on Dec 7, 2006 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by April3rdLifeBegins on Dec 7, 2006 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
I don't think we will, but signing Barry gives us a chance.
Let's see:
CF Roberts
SS Dreamy
1B Aurilia
LF Bonds
2B Durham
RF Winn
3B Feliz
C Molina
P
There is some decency in that lineup. And a tad bit of potential. Not much, but a tad.
Watching Barry break the record will be sweet as well.
by Poe on Dec 7, 2006 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Now if we could trade, say Armando Benitez for a slugging 1B like Pat Burrell....
by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2006 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Aurilia 2002: .257/.305/.413
No point, just very intersting.
by squirrel on Dec 7, 2006 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute...
You're right though. This team cannot be expected to score more runs than last year's, which should be obvious since it's essentially the same. Perhaps a little better in CF and C, significantly worse in RF, probably a little better at 1B if Aurilia doesn't regress. Eh.
In summary, if all four of Feliz, Roberts, Winn, and Aurilia are in the lineup most days, this team will stink, barring a return of 2003 Barry. The only solution is to somehow upgrade RF or 1B with a hitter good enough to play those positions. As it stands now, it looks as though the Giants "A" lineup will have players at 1B, RF, and 3B who will be at or near the bottom of MLB rankings in OPS for players at their positions. As this represents three of the four "power" positions, that's not good.
by taliesin on Dec 7, 2006 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Poe on Dec 7, 2006 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Why not? We had Niekroburg, feliz and winn last year.
oh. now i get it.
by E Ticket on Dec 7, 2006 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by tobias on Dec 7, 2006 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by E Ticket on Dec 8, 2006 7:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by GiantJim on Dec 8, 2006 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Aurilia at 1B - anyone know why we didn't for example trade the Orioles a shiney trinket for Josh Phelps, before the Yankees selected him today in the Rule 5 draft?
Sabean always seems to get great offensive production out of the middle infield, but geez it wouldn't kill us to get something out of 1B one of these years.
by SnowLeopard on Dec 7, 2006 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by tobias on Dec 7, 2006 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by April3rdLifeBegins on Dec 7, 2006 7:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
And who the moral victor is, and why apparently you think Barry Bonds is morally vanquished.
by E Ticket on Dec 8, 2006 7:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Oh, and a great deal since he's clearly worth > 1.6 Pierres or Lil Sarges.
by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2006 7:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cheers
by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Cheers
by zenbitz on Dec 7, 2006 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Zennie, there is a cold one waiting. I live in LA let me know when to send to you.
by wilriv21 on Dec 7, 2006 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you using a knuckle?
by the degenerate on Dec 8, 2006 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Thank you
Altough.... a few seconds googling:
by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2006 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To the winner goes the spoils
by wilriv21 on Dec 8, 2006 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Natto on Dec 7, 2006 7:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by hairball on Dec 7, 2006 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More Natto-Ware
by E Ticket on Dec 8, 2006 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: More Natto-Ware
by Kid Fresh on Dec 8, 2006 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by rxmeister on Dec 7, 2006 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Andy In Fresno on Dec 7, 2006 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by benny on Dec 7, 2006 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Bhaakon on Dec 7, 2006 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by squirrel on Dec 7, 2006 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
That would be sweet.
by groug on Dec 7, 2006 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
by Natto on Dec 8, 2006 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Me too
by ololo3 on Dec 8, 2006 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Gob on Dec 7, 2006 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Bonds is a good signing, but this is as of now an ancient and mediocre team
by ToddLindenHasAPosse on Dec 7, 2006 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2006 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
San Francisco, the final frontier
Credit due to nostocksjustbonds.
by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2006 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Welcome Back Barry!
by giantsrainman on Dec 7, 2006 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by GiantJim on Dec 8, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
What are we going to find out that we don't already know? "By Jove, this man has no knees!"
by JakeS on Dec 7, 2006 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Ghost11 on Dec 7, 2006 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by E Ticket on Dec 7, 2006 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2006 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(Coded Message Below)
(Zenby nuked himself -- all clear.)
by Moggeee on Dec 8, 2006 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: (Coded Message Below)
You have no idea how hard it was to hold my breath all this time.
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Dec 8, 2006 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
What the hell, people? At least this way we have a chance at a freak successful season. This lineup without Bondswould have gotten us nowhere fast and twice as grumpy for not having him...
Well, I was kind of hoping that a Barry's Back thread would just by default be a no pessimism thread because it's such good news. Oh well, mope away the half of you that are. I'mma sip (sip?) bacardi like its my birthday.
I never have any idea what 50 Cent is saying. Actually don't like him much, but that one line is pretty catchy. E-40 is the far better rapper.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2006 8:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Tippin' my Beck's to BB , and ignoring the Doomtroopers.
And blissfully ignoring the gaping Schmidt - sized hole in our vaunted pitching armada....
by victor frankenstein on Dec 7, 2006 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by PacBellBoozer on Dec 8, 2006 4:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by fanofvanlandingham on Dec 8, 2006 7:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
And I don't have to hear about what hotel Bonds is in until spring training.
by squirrel on Dec 7, 2006 8:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
That said, I'm glad he's back, it's not my money. This gives us a chance, at least, in 2007, with our rotation. Now we need to strengthen the bullpen, but what's the math on the remaining payroll now, I count only $4M left of the original $85M that was quoted. Even if the Maddux money were put into the pot, that is still only $10M, not nearly enough to pursue even a Lilly, let alone a Zito. Plus we still need a LOOGY (unless we go with Taschner, Misch, or Threets, if he's recovered) and, really, another closer because hopefully we can unload Benitez onto another team for something.
The only way we can really spend a lot more is if the Giants take all their profits over the past 3-5 years and spend that too. Plus, remember, all the extra draft picks this year, that will be around $10M, maybe more with the Dodgers picks now, getting hard to remember the picks we get with so many.
Or as someone above noted, he defers some of the money. However, don't know how the new CBA, which, by the way, was approved by the players association today, works, but in the just past CBA, you cannot really defer that much money into the future, not like the deals Griffey, A-Rod, and Barry got.
Basically I think a team is limited to a max of $2M that can actually be deferred indefinitely to the payment date, with anything above that being held in an account specifically for that deferment, so that if a team should happen to go under (I don't think it has ever happened, not in the modern era at least), his deferment is protected and he won't lose all of it. So we only get to save $2M this way, though there is some fancy stuff that happens with the dating, so you might be able to push some of it to next year, before you have to set up that account. But I don't have time to read the CBA to confirm.
Plus now we have $16M more to spend in 2007 for free agents like, perhaps, Vernon Wells, Andruw Jones, or Adam Dunn, to name three.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 7, 2006 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by mxmob33 on Dec 7, 2006 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by victor frankenstein on Dec 7, 2006 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by E Ticket on Dec 8, 2006 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2006 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Oy!
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Dec 7, 2006 9:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I've heard things on how deals like this..
by WalrusMan on Dec 7, 2006 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 7, 2006 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!

By the way, who's going to break the news to Barry that he isn't going to be playing for a contender?
by Kitspool on Dec 7, 2006 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by ololo3 on Dec 8, 2006 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by sharon on Dec 7, 2006 10:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
We're getting younger next year. I swear. No, I'm totally serial. For real. Younger.
by MeSoKrabby on Dec 7, 2006 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Whatever. Welcome back, Barry!
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Dec 7, 2006 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Complete Your Thought!
by Moggeee on Dec 7, 2006 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Complete Your Thought!
by E Ticket on Dec 8, 2006 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A favor for Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports
"A quick run through the blogosphere reveals that delusional and myopic Giants fans are celebrating this signing in between clubbing baby seals and drowning their children in a bathtub..."
by Pants Man on Dec 7, 2006 11:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: A favor for Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports
Although, I did write him a comment lambasting him for boring the hell out of everybody by writing a column on Barry Bonds every two days for three months, shortly after which I noticed he started writing about other things for about two months. I'll personally take credit for that one.
by howtheyscored on Dec 7, 2006 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A favor for Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 8, 2006 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A favor for Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 8, 2006 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: A favor for Jeff Passan at Yahoo Sports
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-wmwrap120706&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
by ololo3 on Dec 8, 2006 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Oh, nevermind.
by losingcalifornia on Dec 8, 2006 1:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
If the Giants land a 1B, shifting Rich Aurilia to 3B and Feliz to the bench, the line-up has hope.
If the Giants sign Zito, the rotation has hope.
If the Giants sign 2-3 new bullpen arms that work out, the relief corps have hope.
Don't see how the Giants have the $$$ to make this happen- maybe Benitez & Fransden for Sexton + $5m? Then Zito to an absurd back-loaded contract... the pen would still be in shambles...
Very happy Barry is back, but Sabean just got taken to the cleaners. Best line of this robust thread:
"Take that, mystery team!"
by Kid Fresh on Dec 8, 2006 7:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
REAL OBVIOUS: It's V E R Y important to have Barry happy.
See Friday's Wall Street Journal (Weekend Section) for determining free agent value.
by rcrusoe on Dec 8, 2006 8:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 8, 2006 9:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2006 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
Bonds will make $16 million this year. The total payroll will be around $85 million. So which do you think keeps the team from being championship caliber - the $16 million for Bonds, or the other ill-spent $70 million?
Saying that the Giants can't compete because Bonds get paid so much is total BS. Paying Bonds has kept the Giants from signing whom? Juan Pierre? Sarge Lite? Did I miss the time they drafted and developed Albert Pujols but had to let him go because of Bonds's contract? Because I don't remember that happening.
Seriously. If you don't like Bonds, then just say so. But don't disguise your contempt in a half-assed ridiculous statement devoid of anything resembling analysis.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Dec 8, 2006 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by lunaticfridge on Dec 8, 2006 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
I understand you can't just go get these players, and this year was an especially bad year to retool. And I do realize Bonds is still strong at the plate. But rebuilding is rebuilding and putting 20+ million in he and Feliz just to put a half-assed team out there is shortsighted. Spend that money on the next four bigtime 16 year olds to come out of the Dominican. Save it and add it to next years payroll to get one of the real prizes (they'll probably miss out on).
I'm just not interested in year 3 of Brokedown Barry and the Goofs. This team is screaming 3rd place and no future yet again.
by Stoned Slacker on Dec 8, 2006 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by Pants Man on Dec 8, 2006 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by W8ingForATitle on Dec 8, 2006 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
There is a lot of wasted cash on this team on guys who don't deserve it. Like you seem to be implying, Barry deserves it.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2006 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by NearestNorwich on Dec 8, 2006 9:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by CystedTwister on Dec 8, 2006 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Barry's back!
by NearestNorwich on Dec 9, 2006 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

by 





















