So much for the slow news days....
Seven years. Insane. While a list of comparable pitchers from Baseballs Reference and Prospectus isn't perfect, you have to be worried that there aren't too many pitchers on the lists who were still effective at 35. Or 34. Or, you know, 33, 32, and 31. That isn't going to be some quirk particular to just Zito's comps; that's going to be true of any pitcher. Seven years to any pitcher - Johan Santana, right now, for example - is insane.
I mean, that's Antwan Jamison money. Insane.
It's hard not to be cynical. This was done for the fan who calls KNBR and wants the Giants to trade draft picks for Miguel Cabrera. This was done to ward off criticism.
When I think about this contract, though, the bile doesn't rise to the back of my throat because of 2007. They could have paid him $300M this season for all I cared. The Giants were done for the offseason. That's where the It's Not My Money theory comes into play. Heck, that's great news for 2007. Jamey Wright, he's not.
But It's Not My Money can only go so far. If Zito is stinking up the joint or injured in 2012 and taking up 15% of the payroll, that's everybody's problem. And that's what a century of baseball history is telling us is going to happen. There's probably a one-in-ten chance that Zito enjoys the sustained success that Tom Glavine did through his 30s.
I should have had one of these posts in the can like some ghoulish obituary writer because my head is swimming with a million different impulses. For the long-term, I hate the move. For the short-term, I love it. I'm glad it isn't Carlos Lee. Really, really, really glad. Man, this is insane.
Insane. Seven years. Insane.
Hooray. Booo. Good-not-great is the new great. I'll love this deal until I hate it.
Irrational reason for optimism comment starter: I was convinced the Edgardo Alfonzo deal was perfect, and I thought the Omar Vizquel deal was going to be a disaster. Kevin Brown and Mike Hampton were eventually traded. Hey, are those straws? Lemme just grasp at those for a while.
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Re: So much for the slow news days....
J/K. Still, it's exciting, if nothing else. Grant, I assure you, the deal was done to make the Giants better, KNBR listeners notwithstanding. You may well be right about the outcome, but at least now we have a chance to find out.
by hairball on Dec 28, 2006 10:22 AM PST 0 recs
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"Oh , yeah...Zito????? Holy smokes!!!!!!!!!!"
I FLEW here...
The contract years ARE nuts. Even I know this.
But this ain't "Brewster's Millions"...Brian's heart's in the right place.
Let's f'ing GO GIANTS!
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Dec 28, 2006 7:47 PM PST
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2007 Giants Slogan:
by Kitspool on Dec 28, 2006 10:25 AM PST 0 recs
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All right, hire him as Chico Esquela for the campaign!
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Dec 28, 2006 4:25 PM PST
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by oldrips on Dec 28, 2006 10:26 AM PST 0 recs
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by Kent on Dec 28, 2006 10:27 AM PST 0 recs
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by MeSoKrabby on Dec 28, 2006 10:27 AM PST 0 recs
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by Moderation on Dec 28, 2006 10:27 AM PST 0 recs
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The point being that if the contract turn out to be Hampton-bad, the Giants may end up eating a big chunk of it as part of unloading him. Such is the way of bad contracts.
I don't expect it will turn out Hampton-bad, but it is always a possibility.
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
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Dec 28, 2006 11:07 AM PST
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by stevieg on Dec 28, 2006 10:28 AM PST 0 recs
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Dec 28, 2006 10:34 AM PST
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by nostocksjustbonds on
Dec 28, 2006 10:41 AM PST
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*hands the paper bag covered bottle over to you*
by WalrusMan on Dec 28, 2006 10:28 AM PST 0 recs
Seriously though..
I just looked at his salary information over his career..his estimated total salary is $18,035,000. He'll double that in a year with us.
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Dec 28, 2006 10:36 AM PST
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so much for us not negotiating with scott boras.
by wjackalope on Dec 28, 2006 10:37 AM PST 0 recs
Payroll
by stevieg on Dec 28, 2006 10:39 AM PST 0 recs
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by out machine on Dec 28, 2006 10:39 AM PST 0 recs
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Moral of the story, my old job sucked and my new job does not suck. I hope Zito refrains from sucking too.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Dec 28, 2006 10:40 AM PST 0 recs
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by Kitspool on
Dec 28, 2006 10:47 AM PST
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No, but
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on
Dec 28, 2006 10:53 AM PST
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Do you throw lefty?
by Pants Man on
Dec 28, 2006 10:55 AM PST
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Dec 28, 2006 11:00 AM PST
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CONGRATS on the better gig, Baron!!
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Nobody knows what's going to happen five years from now. To commit that kind of money to Zito that far in the future is crazy.
However, let's treat this like that time we were 20 years old and just stepping out into the world: Ride it, baby! We don't know when we might crash into a drudge-a-licious 9-5 or 7-6 or 5-10 job, so go out to bars and make passes at complete strangers! Drive your Chevy to the levy! Make a banner that says "Zitonians Live Here!" Eat nothing but sushi and Alize for three straight days!
I know the analogy is strained, but I just feel there's plenty of upside to this deal for us fans.
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We all know about the bad. How about the good?
- Zito is going to the NL from the AL, so it's a good bet that his ERA will drop by a good .4 or so.
- He will never give up a HR to a LHH in AT&T
- He is only 28, so we are looking at his true talent level and probably not a decline (yet)
- He gets to pitch to pitchers, which will help his K rate and BB rate
- He is going to a league where the hitters don't know him, which should help out of the gate
- He eats a lot of innings, and well
- It takes pressure off of the young pitching
- It pushes everyone back a spot, so the worst pitcher on the team is now a better pitcher than before, especially in the rotation
- No Bruce Chen, Russ Ortiz, Damien Moss, et al in the rotation
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Dec 28, 2006 10:58 AM PST 0 recs
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Dec 28, 2006 10:59 AM PST
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by hairball on
Dec 28, 2006 11:31 AM PST
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thank you for that
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Dec 28, 2006 11:05 AM PST
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That Ortiz nonsense was making me sick.
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 28, 2006 7:53 PM PST
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by fugazism on Dec 28, 2006 11:02 AM PST 0 recs
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by Blake on Dec 28, 2006 11:03 AM PST 0 recs
Clearly worth it.
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Dec 28, 2006 11:10 AM PST
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Re: Clearly worth it.
Probably not. I'm getting awfully pessimistic in my old age...
by Blake on
Dec 28, 2006 11:13 AM PST
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C'mon. This doesn't make sense until the season is underway. Who would've picked the Tigers?
by hairball on
Dec 28, 2006 11:40 AM PST
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Who?
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/story/2006/3/20/163724/507
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by Pants Man on
Dec 28, 2006 1:11 PM PST
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On The Five - Year Grace Period...Thing...
by victor frankenstein on
Dec 28, 2006 7:57 PM PST
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What about this?
by MeSoKrabby on Dec 28, 2006 11:06 AM PST 0 recs
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by sf11 on Dec 28, 2006 11:09 AM PST 0 recs
What do you mean by that?
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Dec 28, 2006 11:13 AM PST
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With Cain and Lincecum on the way, in 3-4 years, Zito could be our 3rd best pitcher, which may not be a bad thing.
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"It takes a lot of pressure off two people, which I think is very important," Giants first baseman and outfielder Mark Sweeney said. "Matt Cain is one of them. Taking Jason Schmidt's spot is asking a lot. I think that would be pushing it a little bit, even though he's going to be our No. 1 for years and I think the world of him. And also Matt Morris, who is going to bounce back. He put a lot on his shoulders.
"I think it does a lot of that. It adds to the flexibility of our staff, too. Having Noah Lowry third or fourth is pretty good."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2710389
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Nothing less.
by WalrusMan on
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by PacBellBoozer on
Dec 28, 2006 1:44 PM PST
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Unfortunately,
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 28, 2006 11:20 AM PST 0 recs
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-D
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by someguynamedg on Dec 28, 2006 11:23 AM PST 0 recs
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On the plus side, Zito automatically becomes our best guitar player on the team. Also, did you know that his uncle is THE Patrick Duffy? Bobby Ewing in the house!
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this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
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Underwear puns. Ha.
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Frandsen: "Oh sure, I played some in the minors..."
this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello

