Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
What would Noah Lowry bring back in trade?
The contract particulars:
Signed through '09. Owed $1.115M in '07, $2.25M in '08, $4.5M in '09 with a club option of $6.25M in '10.
Career details:
'04 - age 23 - ERA+ 116 - ERA 3.82 - K/9 7.04
'05 - age 24 - ERA+ 110 - ERA 3.78 - K/9 7.56
'06 - age 25 - ERA+ 95 - ERA 4.74 - K/9 4.74
Fun fact: One of his Baseball Reference comparables is Les Cain. I think we already knew that....
Reason for the hypothetical gymnastics: If the Giants are absolutely committed to bringing in a Famous Player for Big Money, they could conceivably sign Barry Zito for way too much and trade Lowry to fill lineup holes. If the organization was willing to shell out $110M for Carlos Lee, it wouldn't be a completely crazy scenario. It wouldn't be a smart or likely move, but the offseason is all about pulling filthy hypotheticals from unspeakable places.
There are two ways to look at Lowry: a. Promising young pitcher locked up for three to four years, or b. Oft-injured soft-tosser who might not get back the strikeouts he lost last season. Mark me down as an "a."-man, but what if Lowry could bring back a package like Adam Eaton did last year (Adrian Gonzalez and part of Chris Young)? Assuming the Giants re-signed Bonds, it isn't inconceivable Lowry could bring 1/4th of a starting lineup back from another organization. If Woody Williams is worth 2/12, Lowry has to be one of the better bargains in baseball. Even in his down year, Lowry was still a league-average starter.
I don't want to trade him -- he's one of my favorite players to watch when the change and curve are working -- and I realize as homers we'll completely overvalue him. Still, it's worth wondering about. So who would want him, and what could we get?
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Re: Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
by biff pocoroba on Nov 28, 2006 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 28, 2006 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Nov 29, 2006 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Nov 29, 2006 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
And no, I can't play first base.
by Punch Rockgroin on Nov 29, 2006 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 28, 2006 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
Speaking of Manny, there is wide speculation that Giants would have to include a third team in order to land Manny. One of the positions that Bos is trying to fill is SS. If Baltimore is still interested in trading Tejada, maybe he goes to Bos and the Giants send pitching etc to Baltimore.
by Uribe2Thompson2Clark on Nov 28, 2006 1:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 28, 2006 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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On one hand, he is going into his age-26 season and is a career 106 ERA+ starter.
On the other hand, he only has one year as a full-time, 200 IP starter, and last year his K rate was alarmingly lower than the year before. Plus, he doesn't have the power-pitching profile that scouts and GMs drool over.
My guess is this: think of a guy teams would pay $10-11 million a year at this point, or a guy better than that with a contract that a team wants to get out of. That may be what you get. You probably aren't going to get a slugging corner guy.
You might, though, get Burrell for Lowry, Benitez, and a middling prospect (which is almost all of ours, right?). Maybe.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 28, 2006 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 28, 2006 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Nov 29, 2006 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Uribe2Thompson2Clark on Nov 28, 2006 1:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pitching Pitching Pitching
1. Morris
2. Cain
3. Lowry
4. x
5. y
x and y could come from the pool of:
Sanchez
Hennessey
Correia
FA signing
Lincecum
At present time SF does not have the luxury of trading a pitcher without receiving a pitcher back in a trade.
by wilriv21 on Nov 28, 2006 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Uribe2Thompson2Clark on Nov 28, 2006 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by CandyMaldonado on Nov 28, 2006 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by johngalt on Nov 28, 2006 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 28, 2006 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at least offer arbitration to Schmidt
by wilriv21 on Nov 28, 2006 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: at least offer arbitration to Schmidt
I could tolerate a 2 year $20 million deal for Maddux (however, I would prefer not). Maybe Jeff Weaver for 2 year $15-16 million.
by GiantJim on Nov 29, 2006 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: at least offer arbitration to Schmidt
He is absolutely terrible. With the Angels last year, he was off the charts bad. With the Cardinals, he was merely awful. He is bad and getting worse. Don't let the playoffs fool you.
This applies to Suppan too, although he isn't nearly as crap as Weaver. The Cardinals have excellent defense, especially in the IF. It definitely masks a lot of pitcher flaws. If I remember correctly, they allow a significantly lower BABIP than most teams because of their defense. That probably won't happen with the Giants.
Oh, and this applies to the A's too, so be wary of Zito too.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 29, 2006 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: at least offer arbitration to Schmidt
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 29, 2006 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you losing your writiing touch so soon?
by wilriv21 on Nov 29, 2006 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: you losing your writiing touch so soon?
by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2006 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
by out machine on Nov 28, 2006 2:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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not part of the problem.
Plus, he wears his cap really low.
Got to give style points.
When you play in the ballpark the Giants call home,
it only makes sense to focus on pitching.
Lowry makes all but a handful of MLB starting rotations.
Noah is born and bred Giants, and part of talented core
of young pitching. Yes, Lowry is still young and maturing.
Sabes will go nuts with the pitching signings post-Dec.
He is all about the B-tier talent- a strategy that I am
not mocking in this bizzaro free agent climate.
The Giants should keep all pitching talent, and go shopping
on the free agent market for:
- One top-of-the-rotation starting pitcher (Schimdt, Zito)
- One middle-rotation starting pitcher (Meche, Lilly, Maddux)
- One veteran bullpen arm (Weathers?)
- One LOOGY for the pen (Kline?)
by Kid Fresh on Nov 28, 2006 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Nov 28, 2006 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Nov 28, 2006 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yippee...A chance to use my favorite new word
by Moggeee on Nov 29, 2006 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Uribe2Thompson2Clark on Nov 28, 2006 2:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Nov 28, 2006 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by The Nick on Nov 28, 2006 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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this town thinks you're a bastard - Elvis Costello
by EliminateMe on Nov 28, 2006 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 28, 2006 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Nov 28, 2006 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by ololo3 on Nov 29, 2006 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by seyheystretch on Nov 28, 2006 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Uribe2Thompson2Clark on Nov 28, 2006 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to keep Lowry
by orangeandblackattack on Nov 28, 2006 3:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
don't worry
by wjackalope on Nov 28, 2006 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Another reason to keep Lowry
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Nov 28, 2006 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Another reason to keep Lowry
by nostocksjustbonds on Nov 28, 2006 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Another reason to keep Lowry
Reading this post, though, I started to flash back to this logic class I took two and a half years ago. I saw something like this.
Barry Bonds puts butts in the seats
Therefore
Noah Lowry puts chicks in the seats
Can anybody fill in the blank(s) that makes this work?
by howtheyscored on Nov 28, 2006 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Another reason to keep Lowry
by Goofus on Nov 29, 2006 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Another reason to keep Lowry
Barry Bonds puts butts in the seats
<missing>logical statement that makes it follow that:</missing>
Therefore
Noah Lowry puts chicks in the seats
by howtheyscored on Nov 29, 2006 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i am an A guy as well
by fanofvanlandingham on Nov 28, 2006 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Open Noah Thread - WWNLB?
In Lowry we have his MLB record-the drop in Ks is mildly troubling but he had some extenuating circumstances during the season. I see better K:W ratio coming back with resultant more attractive ERA.
Trading him before we absolutely know what the untested guys have would not be judicious.(syn.prudent,sage,sane,sensible,wise)
And, too, one cannot have too much LHP.
No to trade.
by rcrusoe on Nov 28, 2006 4:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Goofus on Nov 29, 2006 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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by zenbitz on Nov 28, 2006 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by Roger on Nov 29, 2006 5:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Weird, since I don't really think of those pitchers as all that similar to each other.
by tobias on Nov 28, 2006 6:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 30, 2006 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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