Free Talent
Back in the days of 56K modems and Doug Creek, there was a martyr for the cause. The cause was the idea of "free talent", and the martyr was Roberto Petagine. Year after year he'd crush AAA, get about 60 at-bats in the majors, and then shuffle off to another team to repeat the process. Any team with a hole at first was kindly directed by internet nerds to pick up Roberto Petagine, but it never happened. Petagine went to Japan, became a star, and the rest was history. "History" in this case is loosely defined as "nerds feeling smug about themselves". I was proud to be one of those nerds.
That was a long time ago, though. It isn't correct to say that free talent doesn't exist anymore; the Tigers are in the World Series thanks to a heaping help of it, and bullpen help is always floating around the surface of the waiver wire. But it is certainly less likely that a player worth starting is just going to be hanging out in the open. Two names always seem to come up in these discussions, and have here over the past week: Hee Seop Choi and Carlos Pena. It makes sense; both used to be top prospects, and both have been neatly tucked into bassinets and left on the baseball world's doorstep. Choi's last impressive year was 2004, when he hit .270/.388/.495 with the Marlins (good) and .161/.289/.242 after being traded to the Dodgers (even better). But he hit .207/.347/.361 in AAA last season. Ouch. When he was with the Dodgers, he looked like a cricket player taking some swings in batting practice for a photo op. The recent results don't seem to indicate he's discovered the secret of hitting either. I'd sign him for the Fresno, but would rather have Damon Minor.
Pena has a .243/.331/.459 career line in the majors, and hit .278/.383/.490 in AAA last season. That's swell, but it was still AAA. For some perspective, consider that Lance Niekro hit .319/.349/.660 after being demoted this year. He isn't the punchline to a scout's bathroom graffiti like Choi, and his defense is supposed to be good. If every other hole on the team was filled with an offensive-minded player, Pena would be a good risk to take. If the lineup is filled with Pedro Feliz, Kevin Frandsen, Darin Erstad, and John Mabry, the team is doomed anyway, so taking a chance on a former prospect like Pena would make sense
A flier on both, a pox for all.
The Internet Baseball Nerd Reality Act of 2003 was passed by the good folks in our House of Representatives, making it illegal to bring up Jack Cust as the answer to any lineup question for any team above AA. I supported the law at the time, but am now starting to wonder if it isn't time to explore the idea again. After cratering in Baltimore at age 25, he bounced back to hit .293/.467/.549 in AAA last year. That's a .467 OBP. Zoinks. When he tries to play defense, he looks like the Tin Man trying to put the Cowardly Lion in a headlock, and it first it's funny, but then the headlock goes on for a little too long, and the Cowardly Lion's all like, "Dude, okay, that's enough," but the Tin Man just keeps going, and he's laughing a weird little laugh, and then the Cowardly Lion starts to spaz out and finally break free, and he's all, "Dude, what's your problem?". I don't know what that means, but that's how Cust plays defense, and it isn't good. If Niekro were on the roster, he could be a defensive replacement in the late innings, though, and it might be worth it to see if Cust can approach a .400 OBP in the majors. Of all of the free talent out there, Cust makes the most sense to acquire, even if only to stash in AAA.
The big issue is that when you start talking about players like Choi, Pena, or Cust, there is a very real downside. If you're a team with a top-ten payroll, and you go into the season with a $.5M player who has been derided by scouts (who have the stats to back them up), that's a recipe for a serious fan backlash. If the Giants bring in Carlos Lee for left and Alfonso Soriano for second, a little dumpster-diving will be tolerated. But that's not going to happen, and that's not going to happen. It's this mindset that leads to guys like Sean Casey coming around, it is certainly understandable. Part of it is that fans want players they've heard of, which is a pain in the ass at times, but the more important part is that this batch of minor league free agents and waiver bait isn't very good at all.
You can look for yourself. Nothing. Former prospects like Tagg Bozied and Ken Harvey are the most interesting of the lot, unless you have a hankering for AAAA talent like Kevin Barker and Graham Koonce. There are a few players on the list worth stashing on the end of a deep bench or putting at the end of a bullpen. Nothing you would want to see in a starting lineup. Give me Craig Wilson on a two-year deal, unless the Mariners want to donate Richie Sexson or the Phillies want to exchange bad contracts and give Pat Burrell to the Giants. I'd even be satisfied with the safety of a Sean Casey deal over the risk/reward imbalance of a Choi or Pena. Free talent is dead. Long live free talent. Roberto Petagine has left and gone away. Hey hey hey.
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Great post by the way, love the Tinman and Lion analogy, I loved the visuals that popped in my head.
I know Choi and Pena are lefties, so they wouldn't at least platoon with Ishikawa in AAA, is Cust a RHH or LHH? If RHH, then they could platoon a bit, that's what one prospect book listed Ishikawa's potential as, a platoon 1B.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 20, 2006 8:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Will Ishikawa be promoted to Fresno? That's a good question.
by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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The same goes for Patagine, Choi, Pena, etc, etc. Line them up in spring training, pick one of them to break with the team and send the rest to AAA. If one does bad cut him and cycle in the next.
by Keenlow on Oct 20, 2006 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But I wouldn't mind a conga-line of hitters coming in - a la Bugs Bunny cartoon - and giving them all a try out.
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Oct 20, 2006 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Oct 20, 2006 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I was surprised by that, as I remember him getting a lot more innings at first than he actually got.
And I was speaking in generalities when it came to Fresno/Choi/etc....
by Grant on Oct 20, 2006 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Does anyone else think that EME should look at Cust's career and realize that he is staring at his future? He's the RHB version of Cust. Better start working on that defense, Eddy.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 20, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by mxmob33 on Oct 20, 2006 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'm extremely pessimistic about the Giants possible options at first, which is why, I guess, I'm for resigning Hillenbrand on the cheap. Assuming that is possible. I just don't see much out there to get excited over. I'd rather find a stop gap solution and hope Ishikawa comes around.
Glad to see the comments about Choi and Pena. I was beginning to think I'd wandered into alternate reality in which building a team around washed up prospects actually made sense.
by Sayhey on Oct 20, 2006 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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"Hillenbrand for cheap 1 year contract" is akin to "Burrell for Benitez" or "$3 off anchor steam pints at AT&T". They are just dreams.
I mean, why would you pay $5M/year for Shea Hillenbrand? $500K, OK, fine.
by zenbitz on Oct 20, 2006 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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You are probably right that the Benitez for Burrell swap is a pipe dream, but given the fact that Grant raised the possibility of an exchange of bad contracts, I raised the best possible scenario for the Giants. It puts the Giants on the hook for an extra 5 million or so, but it would be worth it just to get rid of the bum. Talk about overpaying for a player! Both contracts are horrible.
by Sayhey on Oct 20, 2006 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Roberto Petagine. Seriously. Run his 2006 Seattle line through PrOPS, and note the good peripherals. I'd like to take a flier on him.
by Salemicus on Oct 20, 2006 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Cust
by EliminateMe on Oct 20, 2006 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Oct 20, 2006 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Since you've had 15 threads about 1Bman, here's my 15th priority aquisition list of the same.
- Pena/Sop Choi
- Aubrey Huff
- Craig Wilson
- Gary Sheffield (if Yankees don't exercise option)
5. Cliff Floyd
As with Sheffield and Millar, an aversion to bad defense must not a priority. An off-year and health challenges make for a short and sweet contract. Has an upside. Was routinely a very good hitter. However, the Big Phone is a poor fit and he may look elsewhere.
6. Craig Wilkerson
Made less than $4 million and had an off-year, so will be cheap. Better hitter than Hillenbrand, career 108 OPS+. Would probably need to platoon with Niekro or somebody. A rich man's Mark Sweeney.
- Kevin Millar
- Pat Burrell (Trade)
- Kevin Dunn (Trade)
- Jimmy Sexson (Trade)
- Sean Casey
- Carlos Lee
- Dimiti Young
- Hillenbrand
- Nomar Garciaparra
- Mike Sweeeney
17. Casey Kotchman
Don't see why the Angels would want to trade him at this point.
18. Dan Johnson
by GiantJim on Oct 20, 2006 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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In my opinion, you should continue this trend. Why go halfway? Every time someone mentions first basemen on this site, post the list again, randomly changing three first or last names. Then, when Sabean signs Gloria Estefan to play first base in January, we'll know where he got the idea.
by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by leftymalo on Oct 20, 2006 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Also, I'm just mixing my mediums. There's Jimmy Sexton, Kevin Dunn is an actor and Craig Wilkerson invented the razor blade, I believe.
And Dimiti is a cute nickname of Young's, referring to his small baseball mit.
by GiantJim on Oct 20, 2006 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JakeS on Oct 20, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Oct 20, 2006 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by GiantJim on Oct 20, 2006 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Grant on Oct 20, 2006 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I think. (I don't have a firm grasp on the whole Super Two thing.)
by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Well, Craig/Brad should go cheap in arbitration ($3-$3.5 mil?), but the Rangers may want to hang on to inexpensive production like that - he's only 30. I'd give up Hennessey for him, only in that I don't have a very high opinion of Hennessey.
by GiantJim on Oct 20, 2006 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Because if you don't, you end up w/ H Choi. Or L Niekro. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
I think the thinking is Hilly reverts to his 280 BA ways, numbers Choi and Niekro are not even allowed to dream about.
by allfrank on Oct 20, 2006 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh... what the heck.
"Free agent Erubiel Durazo went 2-for-4 and hit his third homer of the MPL season on Thursday.
Durazo is batting .429/.474/.743 in 35 at-bats. Things didn't work out for him in 2006, but since he'll be a full year and a half removed from Tommy John surgery next spring, he should still be capable of helping a team as a designated hitter."
I don't suppose we need a designated hitter, but you can lump Durazo in with the free talent crowd. Maybe Josh Phelps, too. And what ever happened to Calvin Pickering? To, internet nerds, Pickering used to make Petagine look like Neifi.
by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Maybe give him a Frank Thomas-like contract, say starting at $750,000 but topping off at $2.5 mil.
The thing about Calvin Pickering/Petagine types, is that there no successful MLB track reocrds to look at. Whereas Seop Choi and Pena, albeit with sabermetrically biased results, each have over 1000 MLB PA and are still under 30.
by GiantJim on Oct 20, 2006 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by mxmob33 on Oct 20, 2006 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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the giants should give him that chance, we have nothing to lose
by April3rdLifeBegins on Oct 20, 2006 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Pants Man on Oct 20, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Actual AP caption: Jack Cust (left) is tagged out by Aaron Boone as he crawls toward home in the 12th.
by Fog City Blues on Oct 20, 2006 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FREE TINY!

Caption: "Bet you can't jump this high Marvin!"
Whatever happened to him? He just seems to have dissapeared after 2004, did he go to Japan? I thought I might have heard that once.
by WalrusMan on Oct 20, 2006 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 20, 2006 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Might be splitting hairs, but that's my theory.
by Goofus on Oct 20, 2006 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best quick stroke and squashed strike zone ever?
by Moggeee on Oct 21, 2006 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best quick stroke and squashed strike zone ever?
by irwin on Oct 23, 2006 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by NearestNorwich on Oct 20, 2006 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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