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The bubbly post from Friday was a perfect introduction to the chamber of weekend horrors that ensued.  Yay, team! ♪We're gonna ♪make it after ♪ allllll♪♪♪♪!

It reminded me of one of the video diaries from The Ben Stiller Show. Stiller plays himself as a teenager, and records himself bouncing off the walls in excitement. He was taking his dream date to a Van Halen concert that night, and was going to put the moves on her during the "Jaime's Crying" solo. He was so, so excited. He turns off the camera, and the next scene is a quick cut to the next entry in the video diary. Now Stiller looks as if he were chewed up and spit out by a hippopotamus, with clumps of sod stuck to his face and a bloody shirt. He's crying, and starts in on one of sketch comedy's more tender soliloquies:  

All I can say is...you know, if you have your blanket down that means that's where you're sitting, right? And you shouldn't lose your spot when you go to the bathroom. You know, nobody owns grass!
Goin' to Van Halen to try your luck with Sara Dalton...endin' up eating stuff you don't want to eat, and chasing it with your own blood and tears. That's pretty much what this weekend was like.

How did it go so wrong? I mean, besides the poor starting pitching. And besides the weak hitting. And, sure, the bullpen wasn't so hot. But other than that, can someone explain just how the Giants were swept? Other than being outclassed in every capacity of the game, that is.

The worst conceivable thing for this franchise would be for the team to still be a question mark at the trading deadline. The Giants would need to be at least eight games back to consider trading guys like Jason Schmidt or Moises Alou for much-needed younger talent. If the team was two or three games back or higher, I could understand staying the course and trying to make one final playoff push. The gloomy pessimist in me just knows they will be somewhere in between. Six games back. July 31st. A pointless Ricky Ledee-type deal is completed. Sabean makes some public comments about not giving up. The free agents walk, and the team stinks next year.

Now I'll take some questions from the studio audience:

Man in tweed coat: Wait. Just three days ago, this site was proclaiming that we had no reason to mope. That the season was on the upswing. The weekend has come and gone, and the Giants are in exactly the same position as they were before they were swept. Everyone in the NL West had a bad weekend, and the Giants are just three games back. And now you want to give up on the season?

Man in the back, who should probably just mind his own business: Actually, they're just two games back.

Man in tweed coat:  Two games back? They're right in the hunt! Three bad games, and you just roll over? What gives?

No, no, no. You have me all wrong. I'm not saying the Giants should trade the pieces away for younger players, I'm just saying whatever ultimately happens will completely hose the Giants.
Man in tweed coat: Oh. I can see that.
You can, because you've followed the Giants for a few years.

I'm just hoping for the Giants to go on a run. I would obviously prefer it to be a good run. I want ten straight, a courtesy loss, and then ten more wins. That's a happy-time scenario. However, I would prefer the Giants lose fifteen in a row and get a bounty of young talent back for Jason Schmidt over more .500 meandering, if the .500 meandering starts forcing us away from the top spot in the division. I would think six games back on July 31st is ground zero: a perfect storm of inaction that would just be brutal for the future of the franchise.

What helps in the short-term, though, is a paper bag, some deep breathing, and the realization that the team is still just two games back from the lead spot in the division. Two games! Even though we were swept by a less-than-perfect team over the weekend, the club is still in an enviable position. The optimism dimmed a bit with the sweep, to be sure, but we didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, either.

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less than perfect team...
uggghh....the mariner suck incredibly hard.  Look at their lineup.  Does anyone save Ichiro, Betancourt and Jojima belong in an every day lineup?  
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 19, 2006 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: less than perfect team...
LA LA LA LA LA I've been watching soccer all weekend and completely ignored the Giants sweep therefore it didn't actually happen LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

by Kitspool on Jun 19, 2006 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: less than perfect team...
I've never seen him play but Lopez is doing a good job for our fantasy team.

by NearestNorwich on Jun 19, 2006 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: less than perfect team...
Jose Lopez
I play baseball, You play playdoh; Kill your family, I'm Jose Vizcaino; Coast to Coast, New York to San Diego; Eat some dicks, I'm Jose Vizcaino

by elduderino on Jun 20, 2006 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trade Deadline
Grant, I agree completely. I fear the meaningless Ricky Ledee-type trade at the deadline, because we're only 5 games back. Unfortunately, there will be at least 2 teams between us and whoever is in first at that time, making the odds of us overtaking all of them that much more unlikely. And since I don't think the team as it is currently constituted can win in the post-season, even with this year's Ricky Ledee added, I'm hoping we're 10 games back by July 21st so that it's obvious even to the Giants brain trust that we should be sellers and not buyers.

Let the ritual losing begin! Er, I mean, all is not lost....go Giants!
 

Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 19, 2006 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Title
Germans? (looks over)...

-D

by dw4848 on Jun 19, 2006 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I would...
like to welcome your war...youllwall...you all to Fawlty Towers.
I don't blame F.P. Santangelo and Greg Papa anymore, but they still annoy me.

by WalrusMan on Jun 19, 2006 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
I assumed that it was an intentional slip, consisting either of some inside joke to which I am on the outside, a pop culture reference, or a complex metaphor (for instance, the way we reacted to seeing "germans bombed pearl harbor" is akin to the way we reacted this weekend when seeing "Ellison bats leadoff even though his inconsistent at bats warrant nothing higher than seventh and our usual effective leadoff hitter is in the lineup too..." or the way we reacted when seeing "Giants swept by Mariners, two games back...")

Something like that. It's the mind of Grant, his clever miscues making us see deeper into the reality that is our 2006 San Francisco Giants.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
It wasn't exactly a Fellini reference.

Link.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 19, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Damn, that was an easy one. Well, I'll take the temporary but surely red hot shame since really, there's nothing left for me to do.

I still like the metaphorical value of the thing, though...

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Thank you sir!  May I have another!
I'm a chocoholic...'cept it's for booze.

by biff pocoroba on Jun 19, 2006 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

i'm sorry...
but getting swept on the road by a mediocre team isn't as bad as losing three of four at home by a p.o.s. team (Pittsburg).
"I see two Kirk Rueters." 7/31/04 vs. St. Louis Cardinals

by WithTechron on Jun 19, 2006 12:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Title
On KNBR's morning show, Brian Murphy was venting his frustration, as well.  He was pointing out that they've gone 5-8 vs. competition that they should have beat 8-5.  If they had, they'd be in 1st place.  He was also concerned about Sabean looking for offensive help and trading away guys who the team will need next year like Sanchez, Snatch-wig (he didn't call him that) and Ishi-Ishi-Ka-Ka-Wa-Wa.

Also, for whatever it's worth, I heard Sabean on KNBR last week talking about Feliz and it really sounded like he'd like to re-sign him for next year.  He also said they'd been kicking the idea around of moving Feliz to 1B this year and giving Frandsen a shot at 3rd.  He CLEARLY was disappointed with Niekro.

Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Title
Damnit, Sabean. Yankees fans are sick to death of A-rod. Swing a deal for him. I'm sure they'll take anything in return just to get rid of him. Make it happen. We won't shit on him.
We're going to win the World Series. Eventually. Someday. I hope.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 19, 2006 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
That's the first time I've seen Arod mentioned.  How much of his contract would you be willing to pick up if you're Sabes?
Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
All of it. In a second.
The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Jun 19, 2006 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
I agree. It's not our money anyway.
Satan wears a Dodger cap.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2006 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
The Yanks are only responsible for something like 16 million of his ~25 million annually, and the Rangers are picking up the rest. Anyway, no matter how stupid the rank and file Yankees fans are, Cashman isn't stupid enough to trade one of the two best players in the game for Schmidt, Cain, and who knows what else they might want. Besides, ARod must have no-trade protection.

by David A. Arnott on Jun 19, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
See... I'm split on this, because even though A-Rod would be a vast improvement over Feliz at third, he's never in the history of his career actually helped his team toward any considerable success and though we may scoff and say "well, Texas..." we have to look at how non-scary the yanks have been in the AL since they got him.

The stats would be great and we'd win a few more games, but for the price he's nowhere near enough of a difference maker. Then again, I've thought he's the most overrated player in baseball for years, so I may be a little biased.

Now... A-Rod at first (as if it's even a possibility) might be enough of a statistical swing to make me think, but the yanks would still have to eat some money cake.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Mariners. 1996. Should've been the MVP, but split votes with Griffey, and the voters were biased against someone so young. Look it up.

by David A. Arnott on Jun 19, 2006 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
So one year a whole decade ago he made a difference? I'm not being convinced here.

His value as a player is high, I'm not arguing. But as an actual impact player, I've never seen anything save gaudy individual stats (oh the mighty infallible statistic!) to suggest that he's worth the money.

Now at discount, I'm all over that. Hell, I'd eat off of that.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
I'm not a big fan of A-Rod, but aside from hitting a million homers, driving in a billion runs, and playing good D, and changing positions to accommodate Saint Jeter, what the hell is he supposed to do to make an impact?

by Skaldheim on Jun 19, 2006 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Um... no one is worth 25 million dollars except Bonds at his highest heights, because at that price it starts killing even the richest teams' ability to sign other quality players, and even ARod, as amazing as he is, can't win by himself. The situation becomes dire, though, if your team vastly overpays for Chan Ho Park and definitely can't afford quality supporting players. ARod, at least, came close to being worth what he was being paid. I get so freakin' tired of people discounting ARod just because they don't like him on a vaguely personal-vibe level. I didn't want to do this, but...

A)Individual statistics lead to team success. That's just a fact. When ARod hits 48 home runs, it helps his team. Any argument of his unclutchness ends when you have to confront that ARod is a productive player, period. He's really good when his team is leading, when the game is tied, and he's really good when his team is behind. He's a great player in April, and a great player in September.

B)Don't believe me? Argue with evidence. Here are his career splits. And his numbers since joining the Yankees. They support my assertions.

C)If you think statistics and numbers don't tell you anything useful and don't possess the power of language, try arguing that point with someone who works in insurance or advertising, a physics professor, or an economist.

D)Everyone who tries to argue the "ARod always chokes in high pressure situations" line forgets that he carried the Yankees in the 2004 ALDS.

E)David Ortiz, the guy people inevitably point to in discussions like these, has much more obvious flaws. He can't play defense at all. He utterly kills righties, but becomes Brad Wilkerson when he hits against lefties. Ortiz is a great hitter, but I'd take ARod over anyone in baseball, even Pujols, as Rodriguez plays a more premium position, doesn't have the injury history, and is easily just as good a hitter, if not demonstrably better.

by David A. Arnott on Jun 19, 2006 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Well said, David.  So now the (many) million dollar questions:

How much of his salary would you take on?

How much would you give up for him?

Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
16M is a no brainer.  25 is a little dicey, but he's a SS that hits like an MVP corner OF.  The only think better is maybe Pujols playing a league-average 3B.

I would trade any four guys in the system for him, although at least 1-2 would have to be guys who get paid at least 7M/year.   The possible exception is Schmidt (and Bonds who wouldn't go and Yanks wouldn't eat his salary), because I don't see the Giants making any kinda run this year without someone with the chops to be an ace.

I guess if they Yanks demand Feliz and Vizquel (although why with Jeter?) then you couldn't make the deal...

The only think I don't like is that Arod is wasted at 3rd.  I would love to see Arod -> Yanks, Vizque -> someone who needs a SS -> what ever to the Yanks.

Can Arod play 2B?  

Oh, this is silly.  NEVER HAPPEN.

by zenbitz on Jun 19, 2006 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

My beef with ARod
Is actually not a vague personal vibe thing. I greatly admire the guy for playing so consistently at such a high level and I admire him more for doing with without a shred of ego and taking a position switch when at the time he likely could have successfully vollied Jeter out to third to keep playing at short, and why, because it helped the team.

A) I don't think that his stats don't help teams to win games. I even said that with him the Giants would win more games, plain and simple. Great defense plus runs and rbis = more in the win column. Of course he'd help.

B) Yeah, I believe you.

C) I absolutely think that statistics and numbers tell you quite a lot about the value of a player and would be happy to argue alonside someone who works in insurance or advertising, a physics professor, or an economist about the inherent value of statistics. I absulotely do not, however, think that statistics tell you everything and in my opinion with A-Rod something is missing, and I know that it's not in his game and I know it's not in his ego or his sportsmanship, but some aspect of his contribution to the collective team has, over the course of his career, not been translating to be the component that helps the team to the proverbial next level.

D) A-Rod does have a tendency to choke in the big game. Not all the time, yes, but enough to make people notice. This isn't a point that makes all that much difference to me, though. His performance shouldn't be expected to carry the team every single time they get into a high pressure game. That's why Texas was always so bad with him, because they never put anybody around him.

E) I hate David Ortiz. He's a fat, ugly, obnoxious player who couldn't make it in the NL and has only given me headaches over the years.

The problem with arguing against A-Rod is that it sounds like I wouldn't take him if I could. I would. I positively would. He's one of the best individual players in the league and compared to our corner infield he's like that big chocoalte  mousse cake to the kid who's been eating stray tree branches in the woods because his parents left him in the woods and he's not fast enough to catch anything that's not a tree branch. Faulty simile, I know, but it's kind of to the point.

He'd be a great business steal, too. People want to watch A-Rod. I'd probably want to watch A-Rod. Revenue would be great.

I'm reserved about the guy because for that kind of money I want another Barry, I want a Joe Montana - guys whose impact on the team exceeded what their statistics would lead you to believe (and Barry's stats this year are awful for his money, but he's still impacting with his presence... with something).

For crying out loud, he's been a damn Yankee. Nobody could possibly argue that he hasn't had the team around him. He was supposed to be the final piece, but since he came on board that piece has still been missing.

For 8-15 million, he's bang for your buck. For more I start to get wary because I can't define why he consistently hasn't made the impact that he should have, that his stats tell us he should have. For less I start to need to wear new pants. I think that says what I mean.

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: My beef with ARod
The flaw in all this is that for $15 million either the Dodgers or DBacks would want him and they have a lot more to offer the Yanks.

by NearestNorwich on Jun 19, 2006 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: My beef with ARod
Yes, A-Rod should have been the final piece to the Yankees championship puzzle. But the problem the Yankees have encountered since acquiring him is their lack of pitching. Look at those years recently when the Yankees seemed to always be in the World Series. You'd look at their lineup and wonder how they got there. Then you'd look at their pitching staff and understand why.

Maybe the lesson here is that it's best to spend your money on pitching - it certainly seemed to work for the Braves in the 90's. And pitching injuries are so unpredictable, that assembling a strong-on-paper staff is still no guarantee of a successful season. Luck and good health are the wild cards, and unpredictable.

I see no "non-clutchiness" in A-Rod, and would be happy to have him on the Giants, but not at Barry Bonds prices. And certainly not in a trade for Matt Cain.

Waiting for Travis, Nate, Marcus, and Nick P.

by Lyle @ McCovey Chronicles on Jun 20, 2006 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: My beef with ARod
As I alluded to on another thread, the Giants current inventory of young pitching gives me hope beyond the gloom that many see in the post-Bonds era.

While other teams will need to spend lots of money chasing ellusive quality pitching, the Giants have an opportunity to exploit cheap young arms and devote more money to the offense, which always seems to be less difficult to find.

Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 20, 2006 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Brainiac
Move Feliz to 1st? Take a guy playing Gold Glove caliber 3B and move him out of position and replace with a rookie. Clever. Guess that's why he makes the big bucks.

I have another idea: leave Feliz at 3rd and sign a frickin' legit 1B as a free agent. And no, I don't mean JT Snow or anyone over 40.

Or maybe Sabean will sign Jamie Moyer and convert him to 1B. That oughta extend his career a few extra years.

by leewhee on Jun 19, 2006 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Brainiac
"I have another idea: leave Feliz at 3rd and sign a frickin' legit 1B as a free agent."  

OK, what free agent 1B that's available RIGHT NOW do you have in mind? As I said above, he was talking about THIS season to address the lack of offense at 1B.  

At least Sabean is trying to think of a way to bolster the offense without trading away prospects.

Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Brainiac
bring will clark out of retirement.
"I see two Kirk Rueters." 7/31/04 vs. St. Louis Cardinals

by WithTechron on Jun 19, 2006 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Brainiac
We've been through this 1B ringer before on this site. I think the best option we came up with (free agents and trades) was a trade for Craig Wilson. So, that's about the equivalent of what we could get (not sayin it's great, just that it's there).
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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
I figured Sabes was disappointed with Niekro when a couple weeks ago he started talking about the need for a right handed first baseman with power.
Me gustan tomar mis copas / Aguardiente es lo mejor / También la tequila blanca / Con su sal le da sabor

by leftymalo on Jun 19, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Feliz -> 1B
Frandsen -> 3B is moronic.

Niekro/Sweeney platoon sucks, but it's better then "Kevin Fuckin' Frandsen."

33 1/3 Mc Covey bucks if you get the movie reference.

Giants made their 1B bed (like always) and now they have to lay in it.

by zenbitz on Jun 19, 2006 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Basing our hopes on the Giants playing in a horrible division.. feels like 2005. I just can't go through that again.

by mxmob33 on Jun 19, 2006 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Title
Yeah, but now we got Bonds.  And Sweeney.  And Finley.  And Morris. And Benitez!!!!
Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
To be fair this is not a horrible division. It is a remarkably average division.

But in the realm of interesting divisional stats:

NL Central: 202 combined wins (equiv. of 168 in 5 team division)
*NL WEST: 175 combined wins*
AL East: 175 combined wins
AL Central: 174 combined wins
NL East: 168 combined wins
AL West: 141 combined wins (equiv. of 176 in 5 team division)

Tied for second in the league in wins to date, even with adjusted numbers (which is to say nothing for divisional winning percentages... Too lazy to add AND divide everything).

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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just curious...
My memory is kind of fuzzy at the moment, so I'm wondering if anyone can remember the last time the Giants made a truly significant deadline deal?  Sure there have been some that have paid off nicely (Randy Winn), but even those for the most part originated from Ricky Ledee-type deals.  When's the last time Sabean brought in a big name or dealt away a big name during the season?

by ololo3 on Jun 19, 2006 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Just curious...
Kenny Lofton

by Ruths Curse Steakhouse on Jun 19, 2006 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Why wait a month?

I know everyone wants to hang onto every possible prospect, but I'm comfortable giving up a couple of decent young guys to make something significant happen in return.  The Giants need a big bat so bad it hurts.  The pitching?  It ain't perfect, but it'll do the job.

So I say go get get that big bat as soon as possible.  Why wait until the trade deadline?  Let's start running away with the division right now.  And what happens if they do something risky right away and in a month they still look ugly?  Then they can trade that big bat  (and maybe even a couple of other guys) at the deadline.

Who was it, Cliff Floyd, that the Expos traded for and away within the span of a month a couple of years ago?  I think that's the kind of approach the Giants should be taking.

Listen to the broadcast on KSFO.

by Shane on Jun 19, 2006 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Title
The sad thing about this is that the Giants have needed a big bat since Kent left in 2003.

Alou ~= Kent with the bat BUT the average RF is way better than the average 2B.  Double whammy!

by zenbitz on Jun 19, 2006 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alou...
has been pretty damn incredible.  Just saying.
You look like I need a drink

by kenshin1 on Jun 19, 2006 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Alou...
He's also been pretty damn injured every time you turn around.
DFA Alou the Elder !

by PacBellBoozer on Jun 19, 2006 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Alou...
Damn you make me look this up.

By RC (no park adjustments), Kent still out PRODUCED Alou in '05, and compares well in previous years.

Even if you squint and say that Kent = Alou, Durham at 2B << some scrubby league average RF.  So, it's a net loss.

Of course, that assumes that they could FIND a scrubby league avg. RF for an appropriate salary with a flashlight.

Again, it all comes back to Alfatso.  EF+Durham was supposed to replace Kent.  But they became injury prone/washed up.

by zenbitz on Jun 19, 2006 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
I think the theory behind waiting is that not enough teams currently picture themselves "out of it".  In a month, there's likely to be more supply of players to choose from.  
Ironically clever comment.

by Goofus on Jun 19, 2006 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
The only guys in the minors who should be off the market in my opinion are Wilson, Frandsen, Ish, and the eventual Lincecum. I don't know enough about EME, but I'm feeling like pushing expendable. Everybody but those four should be on the block en masse as of now and through the ASB if Sabean is serious about a run this year.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 19, 2006 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
EME is injured -- not sure to what extent, but he hasn't played in at least a month. If he weren't, he'd probably be the #1 trading chip, seeing how he's destined to be a DH anyway.
Me gustan tomar mis copas / Aguardiente es lo mejor / También la tequila blanca / Con su sal le da sabor

by leftymalo on Jun 19, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Title
Toga.

Toga.

Toooooooga.

Tooooooga.

TOOOOOOOGA.

TOOOOOOOOOOGA.

Go home, Benitez. Go home.

by Brother Bummer on Jun 19, 2006 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Sean Casey
anyone? anyone? Bueller?

We could get this guy for a good minor leaguer. He's not worth the franchise, but we could get him without giving up too much.

He'd be a vast improvement over EVERYONE we have playing at 1b this season. And he'd fit right in with the giants because he doesn't have much power, has been around for awhile, and will hit into 3 dp's a game. what else could we ask for?

Satan wears a Dodger cap.

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2006 3:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Re: Sean Casey
I guess the concern is "which minor leaguer?"

I agree that Casey isn't a total savior, but he is definitely above average, which we don't have now.  If the Pirates don't want too much, then Casey would be fine.  I would prefer better, but who else is available?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 19, 2006 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Which minor leaguer?"
Does Greg Papa count?
I don't blame F.P. Santangelo and Greg Papa anymore, but they still annoy me.

by WalrusMan on Jun 19, 2006 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Sean Casey
I agree Casey would be a definite, immediate upgrade. It's funny, though, to hear stats like how well he hits in SF. Maybe it's the field, but if it's the Giants' pitching, that "field" average might drop a lot. I don't like being this cynical, but it's important to consider. I guess looking at his stats against the Giants when he plays at home would be a good starting in looking at this...

by Josh from The New Giant Thrill on Jun 19, 2006 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Sean Casey
I think Dave Fleming would second you there.  He was pissing himself for Casey during the Pirates series.
Listen to the broadcast on KSFO.

by Shane on Jun 19, 2006 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Casey at PacBell
It may have to do with our pitching, though.
We're going to win the World Series. Eventually. Someday. I hope.

by Punch Rockgroin on Jun 19, 2006 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Casey at PacBell
Remember how well Mark Portugal did against the Giants?  Remember how "well" he did with the Giants?

Casey wouldn't be bad.  We just couldn't expect him to hit any better than he normally does.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 19, 2006 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

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