alou sr. must go

by bacci40 on Sep 29, 2005 1:30 AM PDT

yes this was a banged up team.

yes it was an old team.

yes the pitching blew for most of the season.

but alou isnt a motivator, and while at times a very good on field general....many of his pitching moves are laffable.

hes old, stubborn, and im sorry....but the krug debacle showed an evil side to the man.

its time for new blood.

giants may be able to win the west next year....but they wont go deep in the playoffs with alou at the helm

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I couldn't agree more...

Let's get Brenly to manage this team, heck, even he has a World Series Ring!!

by baseballgirl @ McCovey Chronicles on Sep 29, 2005 7:23 AM PDT reply actions

Screw Brenly

The guy didn't last very long in Arizon despite winning a ring. This has been said before on this site but the DBacks won that series in spite of Brenly not because of him.

by SF Pete on Sep 29, 2005 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Yes!

After we ran Dusty out of town let's run the old man out after him.

rolls eyes

I'm not totally satisfied with Felipe, and I thought we should have gone younger when we replaced Dusty, but neither do I think all the blame for this season, or even a significant chunk of it, can be laid at his feet.

Now, if you want to start a movement to run Sabes out of town, I'll go grab my pitchfork...

by eugene on Sep 29, 2005 9:42 AM PDT reply actions

I say bring up Lenn Sakata.

The guy's never had a losing record ever while managing. Gotta be doing something right.

Man: What they need is a front office. Jerry: But you gotta like their chances. .....Not so much this year.....

by WalrusMan on Sep 29, 2005 9:48 AM PDT reply actions

Or promote Poo-Holes

by dangjackson on Sep 29, 2005 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions

He managed the Tigers!

For like fifteen games or something.

by JakeS on Sep 29, 2005 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions

I'm free

And I promise to never, ever, write the name "Alex Sanchez" onto a lineup card.

I also will work cheap. 300k should be sufficient.

The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Sep 29, 2005 9:58 AM PDT reply actions

I call Bench Coach!

And I'll settle for 150K.

by Nick Schulte on Sep 29, 2005 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Sorry

for 150k, you have you walk you ass out to coach first base.

The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Sep 29, 2005 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions

1st base coach!

I can hold Barry's body armour after he reaches 1st on a base on balls.

I can yell "back!" on a pickoff move even when the runner is already on his way back.

I can be an a-hole and argue with the umps after they blow a call. (Hell, for an extra $50K I'll argue EVERY call.)

I can hold back players to keep them from getting tossed when arguing a blown call...unless it's a REALLY bad call, then I'll just let the player go after 'em.

For an extra $25K, I can toss the next inning's warm-up ball to the 1st baseman as he returns to the dugout...even if he could very easily pick up a ball himself...or keep the one that he just caught to make the final out.

Unlike Pujols, I can look semi-athletic jogging to/from the coach's box between innings.

Unlike Pujols, you won't giggle when you say my last name out loud.

So do I get the job?

Sincerely
Goofus McPenisbutter

(OK, so maybe you'll giggle a little when you say my last name out loud.)

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by Goofus on Sep 29, 2005 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions

nice work

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Sep 29, 2005 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions

OK, it's yours

I ain't jogging out to first for a measly 150K. Ptooey!!

by Nick Schulte on Sep 29, 2005 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

It figures

all theses prima donna, self-important bloggers don't want to do real work for their money. Back in my day, we ran out onto the field every time. And we liked it.

The Dodgers are evil.

by irwin on Sep 29, 2005 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions

Dear Mr. McPenisbutter,

We've reviewed your resume and while you are certainly qualified to assume the duties of a 2006 San Franciso Giants coach, we've decided that your shoulders aren't broad enough to fit your name on the back of a jersey. If at some point you elect to shorten your name (perhaps a swim in some cold water?), please feel free to re-apply.

Good luck in you search for employment,

The Management.

Never mind the pennant, we beat the suck Dodgers!

by SerpentX on Sep 29, 2005 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions

When my grandparents immigrated

The INS tried to shorten the family name, but my grandparents thought "McPenisbutt" sounded funny.

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by Goofus on Sep 29, 2005 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions

I could go either way...

...but, yeah, all things being equal I'll take Lenn Sakata. I suppose if the Giants do fire Felipe (I don't expect them to), they should do it immediately after the season before Moises exercises his option. (Moises would probably still exercise it, but to fire his dad a few days after he agreed to come back would be pretty weak.)

Just looking out for the team... in the late 1990's we fired a player's dad (and waived his brother), and that player was never the same after that. Okay, that's a bad example. Hmmm... maybe we should hire a dozen Alous and fire them all. Matty, Jesus... does anybody remember all those names from the corny Hank Greenwald routine?

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Sep 29, 2005 10:42 AM PDT reply actions

Felipe

Because the Baker departure was so ugly, the hiring of Alou was a good one; they hired a well-respected elder statesman (Sabaen called him "baseball royalty"). The fact that they hired a minority also helped keep the Giants' progressive tradition alive, which was a good thing.

I reluctantly think it's time for Alou to go, especially now that the team is going with a lot of younger players. They need a manager who'll communicate with them; explain why and how they're being used and someone their not scared of when it's time to say "my arm is sore". Felipe coames from an era where players did what they're told and when and can't seem to relate to his players' wanting to understand their role.

He also doesn't seem to realize that pitchers' arms are assets that need to be thought of that way.

I guess Rags has said in the past he wouldn't want the job, but I still think he'd understand the younger players better and provide continuity with the veterans.

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by Goofus on Sep 29, 2005 11:00 AM PDT reply actions

Righetti

There's a part of me that holds Righetti somewhat responsible for some of Felipe's worst decisions this year. Perhaps he told Felipe, "Schmidt's fastball is at 89 and he's thrown 125 pitches... he's obviously not right" or "Benitez is struggling and he was in a body cast two months ago... maybe we shouldn't pitch him in eight out of nine games." If he put up a fight in these situations and was ignored, than more power to him. But if not, I think he's just as guilty as Alou of endangering his pitchers.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Sep 29, 2005 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Eh

I like Rags, and I think he seems to have agood rapport. I think Felipe would not have had Rags as his coach if he had a choice - the latter has been there for a while, and doesn't exactly seem to be Felipe's philosophy. I just don't like the idea of entrustring our fate to an old man who comes across as senile at times.

by Aadik on Sep 29, 2005 11:47 AM PDT reply actions

Righetti signed my glove

And he has a cool baseball-y voice. I say give him the job!

by JakeS on Sep 29, 2005 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions

What about Wotus

I recall Ron Wotus did a good job managing in our minor league system before he became a big league coach. I thought they were grooming him for the job when the brought him up from the minors.

by APGiantsFan on Sep 29, 2005 12:09 PM PDT reply actions

Another plus

If they made Rags manager that would probably get Trevor Wilson promoted to pitching coach. With most of our good minor-league arms at or near the major-league level now, he would probably be more valuable up there. Feel free to refute that though.

by JakeS on Sep 29, 2005 10:27 PM PDT reply actions

Manager

As far as I'm concerned, the best managers are "people persons" who understand that by this point, most in-game baseball moves are prescribed and they can only really screw up game management. Which makes ironic how Tony LaRussa thinks he's a great manager because of his "attention to detail" (eg: in this computer age, keeping index cards for every player with things like "3-7 vs. lefties" on them), when it's actually mostly because he's a tremendous motivator and maintains a team environment conducive to playing well and working hard. Thus, I suggest Orel Hershiser for manager.
At the very least, we could pump up his price before the Dodgers hire him.

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by David A. Arnott on Sep 30, 2005 12:53 AM PDT reply actions

Felipe or Leyland

I find it ironic that people suggest that Felipe cannot manage young players: he spent a baseball lifetime in the minor leagues, winning divisions with young players.

I still like him more than Dusty so I'm glad for that move. As far as suggesting getting rid of him, I find that people generally rage on and on about a manager or a GM but that's the easy part.

The hard part that they generally gloss over is that they don't have a better suggestion as a replacement. That is how the Warriors spiraled downward: well, he's terrible so anyone got to be better than him; oops, OK, get rid of him, anyone got to be better than him... Happened to both coach/manager and GM.

That said, my only consideration has been whether we would win the World Series with the manager or not. So I have no problem dropping Alou if someone can suggest someone who would look like a great addition. I've seen no suggestion above that I would feel would be better than Alou.

Here's an idea, not that I want to make the move but to see what others think: Jim Leyland. According to reports, he and Bonds are still friends and supposedly tight. Reports are also out that he wants to manage again. He has won a World Series before. Keeping Alou or not shouldn't matter as Leyland managed Alou when they won the World Series, though Moises will most probably have a big problem. If we lose Moises, we could use his salary to get a younger RF or 1B power hitter, though I hear the pickings are slim.

Between the two, I see no problem with either guy. I probably would have been just as happy if Leyland were hired over Felipe when Dusty was fired. However, to replace Felipe now, I would want someone clearly better and right now I cannot say that Leyland is.

Perhaps after Felipe retires to his "assistant to Magowan" position waiting for him, I would go to Leyland over Wotus, who I have read was being groomed internally to take over the manager position at some point.

I've read that Righetti is happy being what he is, he doesn't have the need to be a manager as that would be an additional layer of work added and he has triplets that he wants to be a father to, which I guess he could as a pitching coach but not as a manager (don't know what the difference in work level is but that's what I've read).

by Martin BiasedGiantsFanatic on Sep 30, 2005 4:49 PM PDT reply actions