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Dodgers and Giants.

Chavez Ravine. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.

Jeff Weaver, still unlikeable, against Kirk Rueter. Just when I think I'm overreacting to Rueter being the nominal #2 starter, it looks like the brass is considering skipping Jerome Williams in the rotation. Which means more starts for Rueter. So, have a game today, Woody. Renew my confidence.

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Woody
Rub the magic ears.
"¡Que bochinche!" - La Comay

by leftymalo on Apr 12, 2005 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

The beat goes on
Cain, Aardsma, Accardo, Munter--another fine night of pitching....it's only a week but I'm officially excited.  

PS--Say it ain't so.  Can Marcus Sanders actually play?  Take that Mike Caruso.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Can you...
post Cain's line SLC (or link to it)?  

Much appreciated,

Kenshin

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry Kenshin
Cain, 20, worked his way out of two jams while pitching six scoreless innings with seven strikeouts, yielding one walk and three hits.

The Fresno Bee said he hit 97 but who knows anymore.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 10:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Cain
Minor League Baseball's got the box scores and even runs a live scoreboard during the games (doesn't automatically update, though).  Cain pitched 6, 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 BB, 7K.  First two batters of the game were a walk and a hit (AAA-debut jitters?). Struck out the next batter and then settled in nicely.

by Roger on Apr 12, 2005 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should skip Woody
pitch Tomko today.  Of course, I can think of lots of things I would do if I was manager

by The Balls of Summer on Apr 12, 2005 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Given the Thursday off-day
Are they skipping Lowry as well?  The article suggest Williams will next pitch on the 19th, which would mean Lowry would miss his turn his as well.  Personally, I think they should adjust the rotation to be Schmidt, Lowry, Williams, Tomko, and Rueter starting after Thusday's off day.  

by Orange Giant on Apr 12, 2005 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Not a big deal
Lowry won't be skipped...  Lowry and Schmidt have to pitch Friday and Saturday if Williams is going to be skipped, so at worst Lowry will be pushed back one further day to Saturday if they want to keep Schmidt on a 5-day rotation.

And this will be an issue again this year, um... never. Or maybe the All-Star Break. This is the only time the Giants will have two off days in a week. This kind of scheduling is usually beneficial early in the season when most teams have a starter who is injured or getting shelled. "Unfortunately", the Giants rotation is in great shape right now, so someone had to be skipped, and they decided to keep the young pitcher with the shortened Spring Training out of Coors Field.

There are plenty of starts to go around... if Lowry, Williams and Tomko stay healthy and pitch as well as we hope they do, they will all get 31-33 starts.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Star Wars quote
I agree with the readjusting of the rotation, as I'm sure most on this site do. I think today, Reuter will make a difinitive case either for or against that. Let's enjoy.
"I never have more than one drink before dinner. But I do like that one to be large and very strong and very cold and very well made." - Bond

by Hayes on Apr 12, 2005 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Star Wars quote
I think the Obi-Wan quotes should be reserved for days when Lowry starts.  That changeup of his is a Jedi mind-fuck if there ever was one...

by Skaldheim on Apr 12, 2005 12:53 PM PDT reply actions  

i love kuip and kruk...
kuiper "Listen to all those happy Dodger fans..."

by open7days on Apr 12, 2005 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

woo hoo!
Killin em softly... ;)

by Aadik on Apr 12, 2005 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmm.
Doesn't appear we'll have much of a pitcher's duel today.

by Larson2042 on Apr 12, 2005 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

sigh
Why the hell do the Giants skip their second best pitcher for their worst /

by Aadik on Apr 12, 2005 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

He's a bona fide veteran
And therefore must be better. Statistics? Bahhh, who needs those.

by irwin on Apr 12, 2005 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The majic
of Trimspa makes itself apparent yet again

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Does anyone else....
feel that this lead is not particularly safe?

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Prophetic
words those.  Nice pitch, woody.  Nice fielding Feliz.

FREE JESSE FOPPERT

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

my new favorite swing
belongs to Nakamura. That was just great theater.

by open7days on Apr 12, 2005 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

happy pete
makes his firs error. think barry woulda gotten it?

by open7days on Apr 12, 2005 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

And we escape...
one inning closer to our bullpen implosion

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Foppert
I want Jesse in the rotation.

I want Tyler Walker out.  I'll take Munter.

I want Vernon Wells--if I say it enough I believe that it will happen.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Why are the outs coming so fast??
Take one pitch, morons!

by Leee @ McCovey Chronicles on Apr 12, 2005 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow...
I didn't realize that Weaver worked in the 77-85 range so much

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Durham ends
the inning with an ugly swing on ball 4.  The adventure of Reuter Williams begins

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

A nice play...
by the dreamy Omar Vizquel.

(I am beginning to think that my girlfriend does not approve of my affinity for our shortstop)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

It's not just your girlfriend
We're all starting to get a little worried Dr. Kenshin.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Nope...
but rumor has it that JT snow appeals to the female fans

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Personal man-love for Omar
Another hit and stolen base. He's a machine.

by mxmob33 on Apr 12, 2005 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

lol....
Tracy has had Carlisle warm up in all 3 innings

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Trivia Question
When was the last time, at any point in the season, the Giants had the uncontested major league stolen base leader?

First to five!

by antinous on Apr 12, 2005 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

WOOT!
WAY TO GO FELIZ (sorry for my previous lack of love)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Ahem.
I believe the correct terminology is "w00t"

by Larson2042 on Apr 12, 2005 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for coming Mr. Weaver
Thanks to some Dodger stadium renovations, the walk from the mound to the dugout is now 30 ft shorter.

by mxmob33 on Apr 12, 2005 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

No doubt on Snow
I think JT's the only reason my wife watches the Giants with me.  I know she doesn't enjoy my ramblings.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently...
the giants have little problem hitting 80-88 mph pitches with no movement. Shocking

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

er
I meant, in the bottom of the fourth. I was wondering if I missed a highlight reel defensive play.

by antinous on Apr 12, 2005 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He backhanded....
a hard hit grounder to his left and then rainbowed a throw to 1st to beat bradly

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh!
Just like the little picture in my mind. Cool!

by antinous on Apr 12, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Over My Dead Body
Kenshin, if you want Omar, you're gonna have to fight me for him.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 12, 2005 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

For those at work...
Rueter has shown pretty good location and stopped nibbling after allowing his 3rd run.  He has retired 11 in a row

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks!
That's consistent with what CBS Sportsline has shown.

by antinous on Apr 12, 2005 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Snow's stroke...
has looked pretty good so far this year.  Hopefully he production from last year will carryover

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Was...
it Josh from Hollywood who created the trimspa joke?  Regardless, I am appropriating the idea and claiming it as my own.  (Josh should be used to idealogical theft due to his involvement in the industry)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Ahhh...
The Rueter we know and love has returned...  

84 mph fastball bisecting the plate

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Giants warm up
Eyre and Herges <Shudder> Did anyone notice that the transaction analyst at BP called the Giants' bullpen a strength?

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually, TrimSpa was Grant's Baby
And in other news, I'm a jinx. Kenshin says 100 nice things about Omar and he keeps making good plays. I say one nice thing, and he makes an error which breaks Woody's streak and starts a rally.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f***ing amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Apr 12, 2005 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Enter Eyre....
stage left.  The giants nation sighs collectively

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Tucker....
drops a very catchable ball but makes the force play at second... UGGGH horrible defense today by the g-men

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Eyre has thrown
3 fastballs in the 90-92 range and missed with 1 breaking ball

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Dang
Why must Alou let Eyre face righties. Ever.

by irwin on Apr 12, 2005 3:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Eyre
Odd... 11 of the 13 batters Eyre has faced this year have been righthanded.

Oh well... he didn't completely embarrass himself against righties last year (.759 opposing OPS), and righties are 2 for 10 with no walks and three K's so far this year.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scott...
Eyre makes his terrible performance slightly more palatable by throwing a nice 2 strike fastball to nail noriaga (sp?)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Scott...
Eyre makes his terrible performance slightly more palatable by throwing a nice 2 strike fastball to nail noriaga (sp?)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Whew...
That was bad,but it could have been much,  much worse.

It's Nakamura.  He's Japanese, not Central American.  :)

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

domo
arrigato gozamasta (sp?) asga

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matheny
hits a pop-fly double. He is an offensive MACHINE

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

You cant stop Mike Matheny...
.. you can only hope to contain him.

by mxmob33 on Apr 12, 2005 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wha?
Why is Eyre batting for himself?  This I am not comprehending...

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently....
Alou was sufficiently impressed? to allow Eyre to pitch the 7th

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No Pen Flexibility
So I guess Felipe has to pitch Eyre again - his breaking pitch looked decent. No telling how much worse Browchrissero will be.

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers' bench...
...all lefties except for the pseudo-switch-hitter Valentin
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Matheny
I've decided that I think we'll really like Matheny if he keeps up his +1000 OPS.  Do you think he can? (ha,ha)

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 3:34 PM PDT reply actions  

That was great
...just great.

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 3:35 PM PDT reply actions  

WONDERFUL....
PLEASE WAKE ALOU AND HAVE HIM REMOVE EYRE

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Why Not Use Jerome in the Pen
If Jerome is missing a turn, why not use him from the 'pen in some tight situation a couple of days from now? It's ok to do such things in te playoffs, but not in the regular season? Well, I guess the Giants are way too tradition-bound to try such stuff...

--Mukund

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

A nice...
slider strikes out repko

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Scott Eyre...
Has retired nine righties and one leftie this year. Whatever.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

PULL....
EYRE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING!

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Screw it
Bring in Mando right now.  Why not?

by Fog City Blues on Apr 12, 2005 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Definitely...
...feeling that "early season with lots of days off go to Benitez early" vibe.

Although I'm feeling a lot better right now!

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Williams
I believe the story is he has the flu.

Not that Felipe would ever do something as crazy as use one of his starters in this sort of situation.

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Having...
the dour man with the pornstar facial hair ground into the inning ending double play strikes me as very poetic

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't knock the 'stache
It's his only redeeming quality.

by Leee @ McCovey Chronicles on Apr 12, 2005 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice double play!
For once the game goes according to script..Alou's script anyway...

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Have I mentioned
That our blowpen consists of the same people from last year ? Thanks BS!

Also, At what point will they get tired of having a 6 innning (max) pitcher in Reuter?

by Aadik on Apr 12, 2005 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Hooray, Trimspa!
Forget Anna Nicole.  Get Fonzy in those ads.

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Tha'ts
my joke asaga ;-) (told you that I intended to steal it)

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great Game
This is like going on a joyride with Hunter Thompson in a big Cadillac...with bad brakes.

by Skaldheim on Apr 12, 2005 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

How long has Rueter pitched for us
Rueter's always been a 6 IP guy max.  So to answer your question Aadik--never.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 3:57 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah
Its just grating- its inane knowing that your bullpen will have to pitch 4 innings every 5 days, no matter what happens otherwise - he's never, ever going to cross 7. Poor Jim Brower deserves 10% of Woody's salary.

by Aadik on Apr 12, 2005 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow....
Feliz works a walk in a very good AB.  

I must ask: Who are you and what have you done to the real pedro?

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Are my eyes decieving me ?
So, Gameday says Snow K'ed and Pedro walked- are we sure it isnt the other way around ?

by Aadik on Apr 12, 2005 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Alfonso....
continues his Ichiro! impression

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

QUICK PREDICTIONS
how many walks does Brower allow in the 8th?

how many Strike outs?

I say 2 walks 0 SO

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting
Alou puts Ellison in LF instead of CF.  Has anyone questioned that before?  

Living on a prayer.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

C'mon Kenshin
Brower needs your love and support right now.  :)

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 4:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I haven't watched him closely
but it does seem as if Happy Pete learned where the plate was this winter

by The Balls of Summer on Apr 12, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

The dreamy Vizquel...
continues his excellent work.   I think the small sample size accounts for Feliz's new-found plate discpline; however, I am willing to keep an open mind.

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice pick and throw in the dirt...
by the wizard of Omar...Brower looks good too actually, to my naive eye anyway...

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Nakamura...
has an unbelievable amount of extraneous motion in his swing.  Highschool coaches everywhere wince whenever he bats

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice outing for Brower
And he lowered his ERA by 6 and a half runs.

by Fog City Blues on Apr 12, 2005 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

One of my major pet peeves...
No good reason exists to use Benitez in this game.  In fact closers should never come in to protect 3 run leads unless they need the work.

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree...
...although my next argument is always "you should always have faith in your middle relievers to get through an inning without giving up three runs."

Do we have that right now? Yikes.

"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

He could probably use the work
considering he's only pitched twice this year so far.

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 4:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Fireman theory?
So use your best reliever in what you believe will be the tightest situation in the game? (like the 6th inning today, I guess). I read on some blog that such "firemen" were not uncommon in the past...wish people would try it more often today...

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 4:26 PM PDT reply actions  

The save stat...
has destroyed the fireman modus operandi.  Simply put, the overreliance on this counting stat means gm's put to much weight on the 9th inning and overpay the closer.  Why be a fireman when you make substantially more closing games

by kenshin1 on Apr 12, 2005 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saves and Moneyball
I think Moneyball implied that Beane considered the "save" stat a market inefficiency to be exploited, and closers to be "fungible". Unfortunately his "Rhodes as closer" experiment bombed in the same year that closers thrived in the postseason, and the inefficiency persists..

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your thinking, Kenshin, but...
It only applies if there are other reasonable options in the bullpen.

by Salemicus on Apr 12, 2005 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

i can't take this
somebody hand me the Maalox...

by asga algun pino carne on Apr 12, 2005 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Nothing low in the zone...
..from Benitez. Seems dangerous to me...is that his normal modus operandi?

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 4:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Armando, find the friggin
STRIKE ZONE ALREADY!
Respeck Knuckles!!!

by arbizu on Apr 12, 2005 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

*facepalms*
...motherpusbucket...
Respeck Knuckles!!!

by arbizu on Apr 12, 2005 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Second-guessing
Maybe Alou should have just kept playing the hot pitcher (Brower?). Ah well, more chances to test this theory tomorrow I'm sure...

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Deja Fu
Wow, that was September 2004 all over again.  I hate reruns.

by Skaldheim on Apr 12, 2005 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Why do we do this?
Why let somebody else's mediocrity determine my happiness? Why, oh why?
Stab me.

by lyricalkiller on Apr 12, 2005 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I know, dude
It's a half-hour later, and I've still got a headache and an upset stomach. I'm 34 years old... I'm freakin' humiliated by how upset this stuff makes me.
"Robb Nen is going to get you" - Benito Santiago to Chipper Jones, 10/7/02

by Pants Man on Apr 12, 2005 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right on, brother
**Why let somebody else's mediocrity determine my happiness? Why, oh why?**

Seriously. My own mediocrity is bad enough.

by squirrel on Apr 12, 2005 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I literally went out...
and got drunk.  <sigh> I hate how badly a tough defeat affects me

by kenshin1 on Apr 13, 2005 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

substitute Cody Ranson insert Jason Ellison
Haven't we done this before.  I wish Ellison was in CF, Grissom would have got that ball.

by slcgiant on Apr 12, 2005 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Proxying for Josh
Mohr Mohr Mohr Mohr Mohr Mohr Mohr

by Fog City Blues on Apr 12, 2005 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Mohr
Mohr would have had a hell of a time fielding that ball...he's on the DL.

by Skaldheim on Apr 12, 2005 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know
Now you're proxying for me.

by Fog City Blues on Apr 12, 2005 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

wtf?
is there a worst feeling in the world when your closer blows a save?

if there is one, i sure can't think of it.

by Bruins17 on Apr 12, 2005 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Migraine
Having a magnitude eight migraine headache BEFORE your closer blows the save.

Wow, this has been a shitty day.

by antinous on Apr 12, 2005 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

not just a save
a three-run lead, fresh-start inning, against the effin' Dodgers. This is no Francisco-Cordero-giving-up-a-solo-shot blown save; this is waking up from a night of drunken revelry and spirited celebration to find out that somebody wrote "i (heart) dick" on your forehead in permanent marker.

by lyricalkiller on Apr 12, 2005 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Opening Day karma
Don't worry guys, it's all gonna be just like our Opening triplet, late defensive error by the visiting team, which then proceeds to win the next two.

by scarface on Apr 12, 2005 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

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