2012 Adoption Draft: Rules Discussion
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 8, 2012 11:22 PM PST
Email
PrintAlright, so now that we've had a chance to claim who's staying and who's free to be adopted, it's time to lay out some ground rules. Last year's rules thread is here. Rules from last year that I think are good enough to stick around:
- Secondary draft board. Last year, I believe a user had a set amount of time (12 hours, 24 hours, something like that) to draft, then if that user hadn't drafted, he or she was skipped and thrown into a secondary draft pool. Anyone in that pool could draft the next time they logged in.
- The formula used last year was draft points = #comments + 20*(months of membership) + 35*(number of FanPosts & FanShots). Rank in order of descending draft points. This seemed equitable enough to everyone last year, so unless anyone has any qualms I'll be using the same formula.
I'd still like to discuss the process of compensation for lost adoptees. If your adoptee was traded, you get first shot at whom he was traded for, but if you don't want that person, is that any different than throwing your adoptee back to the masses? If your son was a minor league free agent (say, Travis Ishikawa), are you in the compensation pool?
Anyway, here's the rules thread. Feel free to rec it, since the FanPosts section is all f'ed up anyway and this one is kind of important.
This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.
148 comments
|
4 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Suggestions
Compensation:
Players lost to FA/other teams give no compensation. Some people draft former Giants; those players are former Giants. If you want to keep your player, do so. If not, you get no special treatment.
One-for-one trades let the person who lost a player have first dibs on the player acquired. That’s the way it’s always been an I like it.
If the Giants trade X players for Y players and XY, then the owners of the players traded get to work out some sort of amicable settlement. If X>Y, then there ought to be some sort of compensation for people who don’t get to make a claim. I think the choice method should be by draft position; the poster who has the highest draft position among those who lost players gets first pick, and so on until there are no more players left to pick or everyone has picked someone. If you decline to pick, no compensation. Again, if you want to keep the player you already have, you can. If we run out of acquired players before you get to pick one, you should get a boost to your draft position; I don’t know what the scale is, but maybe a 15% boost? Players traded for cash do not give the compensation.
This is mainly to prevent what Fla was talking about in the other thread – lower order drafters should not be drafting a player with moving up the board in mind. You should be drafting a player you like, a player you think is interesting, not a player you think is trade bait so you’ll get a shot at a better player. At the same time, it seems unfair to have other people get first dibs on players that were part of a package that included your player and not get anything if we traded more players for fewer. None of this is worded well but I hope if you read it a couple times you’ll see where I’m coming from.
Secondary Pool:
24 hours is what I believe we used last time, and I think it works well. Three drafters on the board at the same time, highest position gets the player regardless of when they claim (if Roger goes back on his word and claims Chuckie Jones despite Fla adopting him first, Roger gets Jones), as long as they’re in the 24 hour window. Checking once a day doesn’t seem onerous; 36 might actually be better (perhaps you check Day 1 at 8 AM and then Day 2 at 8 PM), but I wouldn’t go past 48 or it’ll take forever. Outside the designated window, first come first serve.
Formula:
I have no problems with the formula used, but I might suggest altering the inputs. For example, SBNation separates MCC comments and overall comments – are we using MCC comments or overall comment count? I would suggest MCC comments make more sense – a prolific Cardinals fan should not get a high pick because they joined MCC and posted five comments but have 10,000 on Viva El Birdos. If this is already in place, I’d suggest separating FanPosts and FanShots – it’s yet another addition, but it’s a worthwhile one. FanPosts are – hopefully – original analysis and/or ideas, while FanShots are just links or images. That does change when it’s satyricrash or jctgamer with an excellent and time-consuming image or video, but I’d say 95% of FanShots require zero creative effort or time. That’s less true of FanPosts.
Also, I don’t think the months of membership should have such a large influence. That’s a nice boost to senior members, but again we shouldn’t be rewarding people so much based on having an old account. Particularly when a lot of them don’t post as much as newer members – free f.p., Nivra, and shankbone are good examples of guys who have only been here about a year and a half. But they’re quite active and good posters; I don’t think they should lose the equivalent of 240 comments to someone who has an account that’s a year older but posts far less frequently. There is the flip side of not benefiting some older members enough, but I think most of them have enough comments that it won’t matter.
So I suggest:
Draft Position = [Comments (on MCC) + 10*(months of membership to MCC) + 15*(FanShots) + 45*(FanPosts) ]*(1.15 if adoptee lost in trade and unable to claim a player acquired)
The reasoning is that FanPosts are about three time as valuable as FanShots – a quick perusal of comment counts on FanPosts vs. FanShots would actually indicate they’re more valuable, but that’s not a completely accurate because I think a lot of FanShots don’t get as many comments as they should. Months of membership, meanwhile, should not be rated as highly, and FanShots get more priority (“creating” content is always more important than longevity) but a mess of them won’t push you up the ladder too high. Posters also have to explicitly claim the 15% boost – you don’t get it unless you say something, because it’s unfair to ask people who are trying to figure this stuff out to determine whether you were able to put in a claim or not.
Last suggestion is that we have another pre-draft thread where everyone posts their draft number. It’s a simple calculation, and we’d be going by the honor system. That saves some people (probably Merope and free f.p.) some time – five seconds for each of us, a couple hours for each of them. Since I’m suggesting a more complicated formula, I’m also willing to do some of the calculations if we keep the old system if help is needed, regardless of what formula we use.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
tl,dr
To answer a few points:
Obviously, using McC comments would make much more sense, and that’s what I did last year. Separating FanPosts and FanShots was something we discussed last year, and to be honest I think the only reason we combined them was simplicity. I calculated everyone’s draft points, and it just made it easier for me to do.
As for the last suggestion, that’s a great idea and something I hadn’t thought of before. Last year there were somewhere between 30 and 40 users drafting, and calculating their draft points took an hour or so. If we were to use this system, what I would do is post a thread asking which users are in, and for them to calculate their draft points. I personally would leave the “who’s in” thread open for a while; say up to a week. That way we don’t exclude anyone who wants to participate but isn’t here everyday like the rest of us are.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 9, 2012 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I just know that membership, total comments, and # of posts are all right at the top in bold, while the blog-specific numbers are less obvious. Wasn’t sure which we were using, so I thought I’d ask.
If we had everyone calculate their draft number, putting that thread up ASAP would give us some more time for people to de-adopt or announced intention to draft, as well as discuss rules. Of course, we’d have to decided that (and finalize the formula) quickly as well.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Question
How do we see where the comments breakdown? I would say 99% of my comments are here, but I have a few at other places. I don’t know how to see that, though.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 6:15 AM PST up reply actions
The # of comments is listen underneath each blog you belong to on your profile page
http://www.sbnation.com/users/kdl
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Huh. All I needed to do was scroll down. Thanks!
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
I like most of what Quincy suggested. The only 2 that I would disagree with are:
1. I don’t think that there should be any extra points awarded to anybody who lost an adoptee in a trade and didn’t end up claiming the new guy that the Giants got back in the trade. If the member had the points to draft a highly sought after adoptee in the first place, then odds are that they will get a good slot in this year’s draft under the current formula.
2. I don’t agree that the 20*(months of membership) weighting should be changed.
Also, I don’t think the months of membership should have such a large influence. That’s a nice boost to senior members, but again we shouldn’t be rewarding people so much based on having an old account. Particularly when a lot of them don’t post as much as newer members – free f.p., Nivra, and shankbone are good examples of guys who have only been here about a year and a half.The reason behind that number was to try to strike a balance between active members that don’t have the time or inclination to spend hours typing hundreds of 1 word comments like “TWSS” in the GDT everyday. I don’t think that last year’s formula of 20*months of membership is especially onerous for an active nOOb to overcome. Let’s look at an extreme example of somebody that’s been a member for 4 years. That would translate into 960 points under the current formula. To gain more than 960 points all a nOOB has to do is average 11 comments a day for 3 months (for a total of 990 points). That’s not at all difficult of a task for anyone – especially during the season – several members average more than 11 comments a minute in the daily threads.
My 2 suggestions for changes to the current system:
1. Give more than a 35 times weighting to the number of fanposts + fanshots that a member has contributed – 50 sounds like a nice round number. That might encourage more fanposts and fanshots to the site.
2. Extra points should be awarded to members based on the average number of words that are contained in each of their comments. That way verbose members like myself, Quincy, and Roger will be properly rewarded. As an added bonus, adding such a reward might entice OGC to rejoin our friendly little community on a regular basis.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
This post made me laugh a few times. As a n00b I have no interest in posting Michael Scott quotes or wading through the GDT on a regular basis as it spins off into chaos, politics and pie. Now don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional pop culture reference or film quote, and who doesn’t love cooking discussions? But I mainly come for bezball and our favorite team, and definitely prefer those discussions. MCC is a wild place with a pretty diverse set of folks, which makes it special. You go to other teams sites on SB Nation and its very straight forward… and boring. Don’t get me started on the other forums available to post for Giants fans on the interwebz, they are all bloody awful.
This is most likely heretical, but what about cutting the value of comment count in half? I don’t think it would discourage anybody who wanted to comment on everything, all the time but I think MCC could be improved by a little more substance and a little less flip and glib. Nothing drastic of course, just a little tweak. Don’t want to mess with the bay area libertarian traditions of not enforcing any of the rules set up.
Your OGC crack made me laugh as well. I hang out with him on DrB’s. I’ve been working on him not defending Sabean’s every move. Unsuccessful for the most part so far, I’ll point out your idea to him.
Just to be clear, that last paragraph was tongue-in-cheek. Obviously, I was poking fun at guys like myself and Quincy that tend to run on and on with their comments. Also, that wasn’t meant to be a dig at OGC. I’m probably one of the few that seems to enjoy OGC’s contributions (even when I disagree with them) – especially his earnestness and rock-solid faith in his opinions. He just needs to learn how to not take everything so seriously.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I realized it was tongue in cheek. Thanks for being clear. I think OGC has very interesting if long winded things to say, and he has a hard time not taking things very seriously. It would really benefit him to not defend every Sabean move. I’ve said all those things to him on his site, and I’m comfortable saying them here as well. Obviously it was a pretty big blow up, and it’s his choice.
I see there is no traction for my cut comments in half proposal. No respect for newbies round these parts!
To many of us, those off topic conversations are a feature, not a bug. ;-)
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
But thats more a side effect.
There are a lot of people who probably don’t care that much about the draft.
So alone...
Twitter
I am officially opposed to your cutting the comments in half proposal.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. It’s too arbitrary. There are many for whom 100% of their comments are “pure baseball”. Can’t paint everybody with so broad a brush.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
"long winded"
OK, so now I know how you feel. :^)
Yes, I go long, this is how I like to receive information, I want all the facts presented to me and the logic tying everything together. Hey, I’ve become a verb, that takes some doing, and not even here, on MLBTR I think, or was it Fangraphs? Still, it is mostly compulsion, I see most issues from many different angles, and I feel the need to address every angle I can think of. I actually start out intending to be short and sweet, but it just flows out, as each angle pops up before me. Plus, I often answer multiple points above in one comment. (like here :^)
As I tried to explain numerous times on my site, I do not defend every Sabean move. I defend the ones where I think people are wrong. And I explain the logic. It just happens that I think a lot of the people here are wrong. :^D
Also, many times, I’ve realized, I try to explain where I thought the Giants heads were when they made a certain decision, but I realize now that many people just assumed I felt the same way. I did not always make my viewpoint clear. So that is on me.
And I have my serious side and my fun side. I once posted a long post listing every X-rated actor’s name I could think of, as well as beautiful regular actors (where actors means both males and females), because then people looking for those terms would be directed by search engines to MCC. I love all those made up “deep thoughts” posters, where there is an inspirational word followed by some deep definition or up with people statement, except in warped MCC style. I loved those, I still remember the one where AJ was absolutely crushed at home plate, and I think the word is schadenfreude, or something like that (my brain still handicapped after being sick for over a month…). What I don’t like is reading through 100 pages of juvenile jokes in order to find the one interesting bit of information in the whole post for the serious posts.
Where I get deadly serious is when it came to whether to keep Sabean or not. While I was a steady and strong supporter of the Giants during the 70’s and 80’s, I really like winning much more than losing (shocker, eh?) and I especially wanted a World Series Championship, and I felt that Sabean was putting together the parts that would enable that.
To boot, a lot of research came out in recent years showing that it was pitching, pitching, pitching, and good fielding, that led to championships, so it really drove me crazy that people here were not supportive of Sabean, and worse, wanted him fired. And given that the Giants appear to read the mood of the crowd and are aware of what’s being said, I was worried that the Giants might just fire Sabean to appease the pitchforks in the crowd.
And that’s why I’ve been writing about the Giants being the Team of the Decade, Team of the 2010’s, for some years now because I thought that the Giants had the personnel plus upcoming talents that would enable us getting over the hump, to stop being the butt of A’s and Dodger fan’s jokes, to win the World Championship we all desired.
And to fire someone when he was on the verge of something great, well, I just thought that was stupid. I said it then, I say it now. Just as I thought it would be stupid not to thank Sabean for getting us that championship, but apparently I was wrong.
The championship came sooner than I could have ever in my wildest dreams hoped that it would, but it did not surprise me, their team was and still is, built to go deep into the playoffs, so if they can just muster up enough offense (another of my mantras that people misunderstood, it is not that I want a poor offense, I just didn’t want to give up any of our great pitching to get hitting, besides that’s just a zero sum game and would not help the team get over the hump), the pitchers can bring us deep into the playoffs if given the chance.
As the Phillies showed in 2011, even that is no panacea, but as my recent study of PQS starts in the playoffs showed, if you want to give your team the best shot at going deep into the playoffs, you build a rotation four deep of starters who can toss Dominating starts (PQS of 4 and 5), have a closer who can dominate, and that will get you deep into the playoffs more times than not. There is random luck still in there, but as the saying sort of goes, you can make your own luck, which in this case, is building a superior rotation.
And it is not a matter of faith in my opinion, it is a matter of my faith in the facts that I see and the logical conclusions that derive from that. I honestly don’t view that as “my” opinion because if someone can show me where my facts are wrong or logic is off, I would change my conclusion immediately, hence I don’t view that as being “my” opinion, that is my stance at the moment, I’m waiting to see if anyone can knock it down.
And I didn’t interpret FLA-Giants comment as a dig, but I certainly don’t view here being “friendly”. Hence why I come here about as often as a Duane Kuiper homerun.
I know I’m different though. Hence my handle. And that’s OK. My friends and family love me, and that’s good enough for me. Well, that and signing Sabean to another two year extension. ;^)
OK, is that long enough to qualify for FLA-Giants proposed changes?
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"We deserve this" Sabean
"Not here to make friends, I'm here to win games" - Bruce Bochy
Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey
2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 9, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
zomg.
I think I got OGC’d in the face. That post almost broke my iPad’s memory capacity.
Lol. Nice to see you post here OGC. :)
by Nivra on Feb 9, 2012 8:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
One time OGC posted here that was only a couple of sentences. I thought 99% of the post was cut off.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
thank you to both
I love to laugh.
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"We deserve this" Sabean
"Not here to make friends, I'm here to win games" - Bruce Bochy
Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey
2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 10, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, and to be clear
I’m keeping my adopted Giants, I will root for Travis from afar, except when he’s playing against us, and he better not pull that stupid bowling pin stunt either.
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"We deserve this" Sabean
"Not here to make friends, I'm here to win games" - Bruce Bochy
Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey
2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Feb 10, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t let a handful of antagonistic comments keep you from sharing your own comments. Having a great respect for Sabean’s body of work is ceratiny a defensable position to take, even if it’s a minority view on this site. One thing that I think you need to admit to yourself is that 90% of what gets written on this site (and all baseball sites) is opinion – even your comments. We all should feel free to take our opinions seriously and to defend them passionately, but we should all remember in the end that they truly are only opinions and not facts. The prospect threads on this site tend to be a lot less snarky and confrontational than the main page threads, and I don’t think you would feel unwelcome if you condentrated your comments in thsoe threads.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
is there a way to distinguish GDT or Main Page comments from Fan Post comments?
The GDT comments and main page comments are often not bezball related and start talking about TV, celebs, or some other topic. Fan post comments on posts not promoted to the Front Page are usually bezball related.
by Nivra on Feb 9, 2012 8:40 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
So?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 10, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Even if there was a way to separate them, I think it would be a mistake to start down this road. Even though I don’t comment much in them, the daily main page thread is pretty much the lifeblood of the site, IMO.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Exactly. I think a lot of us feel that this place is much more than a baseball blog; it’s an online community where we all can go and nerd out, or talk about what we ate for lunch or what we’re watching on TV, or liveblog a Sharks game if we feel like it. Therefore I don’t think it would be fair to try and separate comments like that, because even though they’re of different subject areas, all comments add to the community sense of the site, and they should all be included.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
whichever formula gets me the highest draft position
is the one we should go for. Yeah, how’s that for hard-hitting analysis?
So I think that means that we should weigh length of membership more than all the other stuff.
Ok? OK.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Yes, length of membership is important
especially for those of us who are on the site everyday but don’t feel the need to comment a thousand times per story. Also, it seems that if someone hasn’t managed to proclaim there desire to keep their player in the two weeks or so this will all be discussed, then that player should be thrown back into the pool. Sorry, but you shouldn’t be rewarded for not paying attention.
California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...
by crazedcrustacean on Feb 9, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but…. shit happens. People get sick, family members get sick or die or people move or go on vacation… laptops fall in the bathtub. There are reasons that people might miss a week or two, or even a month. And especially in the case of something shitty happening, I’d hate for people to get penalized for life kicking them in the ass.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yeah
For example I have job that should be doing right now instead of posting on McC.
Kidding…I do run a youth sports non-profit ( Girls Softball) that takes up a lot of my time during the spring. Doesn’t make me less interested, just unavailable.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
whichever formula gets me the highest draft position
draft points = #comments + 20*(months of membership) + 35*(number of FPs & FSs) + 10,000*(number of times the “alope” sequence appears in their username)
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
yes
this is sounding good. I like the way you think.
But seriously. I used to have Aurilia, my boy. Then he retired and I ended up with Meh-ders, so I’m hoping to get someone at least halfway decent this time around.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
I don’t think separating/weighting fanshots and fanposts is particularly important. They each serve their purpose and counting replies to them is of dubious utility in determining their actual value.
I am unsure how I feel about a system that rewards high fanpost to comment ratios.
Also, I’m comfortable with screwing the n00bs.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2012 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As a guy who hangs out more in the fanpost section than the main area, I would most likely never get a big comment count. I agree with Quincy about the fanpost taking a lot more time than a fanshot, which are usually reposted news stories. I agree completely with you about screwing the n00bs, the category which I am in. You gotta put in your time.
Just want to point out folks will have different motivations. As a prospect guy, I would most likely be interested in a young long-shot if I can get my hands on em. Don’t know how many people want to manipulate or trade-up. It might be worrying about less than a dozen members. I bet most posters just think its a fun idea and want to participate in some way.
I agree with all of this.
FWIW, I ran my numbers with both equations and they were really close. That might just be a coincidence, but I’m not sure there needs to be a new equation.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Since I’m keeping my son, I won’t be in the draft, but I want to make sure I understand this formula correctly. I used both, and I would have to agree with KDL. The spread seems to be pretty close.
Is this correct ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It’s kind of close for me, too: 24350 vs. 23200 (LOL – longtimer)
And also, does that mean I’d be one of the first dozen or so? If so, I might want to dump my guy and get in on the new action. Or not. It’s so hard to decide. Aargh.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Mine is around 18,000 something, but you kicked my ass. Nice work. ;-)
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. I guess I could have just indicated what the percentage difference was instead of blasting out my ginormous numbers (which come just as much from longevity as anything).
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Yeah, you joined about 15 months before I did.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
The sad part is that both of you joined at least a year after I did and have multiple times the comments. I guess I’d better get busy with the TWSS and SFTD comments.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
STFU
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I hardly ever post in GDT’s anymore. Most of my comments are actual comments. That is sad.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
I will confess to the occasional TWSS, but I try to avoid the SFTDs. Do I get a bonus?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Doh'
SFTDs
I should not have commented before heading out to meeting last night. This should read STFD
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Whoa.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Feb 9, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
You’re going to be the Astros or Mariners. You’ve got 3 x more points than I do.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
LOL
In the truest sense: scout drafted first last year too.
Maybe we should start calling him the Nationals.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 9, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Creative Scout ! Nicely Done !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
What's that take your comment total to ?
/ sandbagging for the adoption draft.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It's just not fair!
Whine. Whine.
P.S. BTW, I didn’ t mean to imply that scout6 only had so many points by continuously peppering the site with 1 word comments.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Old: 36028
New: 34778
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 9, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
8951 old, 8451 new. Seems like the new scores are consistently lower than the old ones, which should be obvious now that I notice the coefficients are lower.
Also, that doesn’t seem like a great number :(.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Save the formula
I don’t see why changing the formula is important. The big complaint in the past is that “just” comments overvalues GDT and lunch discussions, which many regulars/prospect hounds don’t venture into. Longevity should be rewarded since it should indicate that you’ll stick around the whole season and support your dude. Unless someone can show how someone is getting screwed.
We could start at 36 hours and see how that moves along. Plus didn’t we have two on the clock at the same time last year? Or am I thinking of the secondary draft board. I take it back, I’d rather one person be on the clock for 24hrs than 2 people for 36, since it might mean 1 person doesn’t log in for 30 hours, and get hosed while the draft board cycles through a bunch slots as other people log on and pick as the second person on the clock.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
We had three on the clock at the same time last year..
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/3/1/2023346/2011-adoption-draft-its-go-time
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
How do we count retired players?
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
by bigboneded on Feb 9, 2012 2:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
One at a time.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 9, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
I want to see this.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Oops. Wrong thread.
I’m keeping my boy.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
While this may have been posted in the wrong thread, I agree with this comment.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Who is going to set up the Baseball Boyfriend draft?
The only rule is you can’t have your adopted son as a boyfriend.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Compensation for players that left for FA
Maybe we could set up a A, B and C type pool that compensation would be based on.
Possibilities
A-types: Positive fWAR for Giants. One time BA/McC Community list top 5. 500+PA or 200IP for Giants. Big league manager/GM/president
B-types: 25 man roster. One time BA/McC Community list top 10. Minor league manager
C-types: Everyone else.
It could be a 20%, 10% and 0% boost to your calculated draft #.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
I’ll give you extra points for original thinking, but I’ll reiterate my opinion that losing a player to FA, trades or release should not give anybody any extra consideration. If they were ranked high enough to adopt a highly sought after player in a previous draft then they almost certainly have enough points under the current formula to be in a good draft position once again. On the other hand, if somebody loses their adoptee due to a trade, I have no problem with allowing them to have first dibs on the player that the Giants got back in the trade. If they don’t want that player then they go back into the draft and shouldn’t get any extra points.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I don't think it's fair to people who couldn't claim a player, though
Take the Sanchez+Verdugo for Cabrera trade. If Sanchez’ adopter has higher draft position (I assume that’s the case) and they want to claim Cabrera, they get Cabrera. Now Verdugo’s adopter has no one to claim. That doesn’t seem fair considering Sanchez’ adopter gets compensation.
If they don’t want to make a claim, then yeah, you don’t get anything.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Yeah, but in that case the person that had Verdugo would almost surely have enough points to adopt somebody that was similar to Verdugo. I wouldn’t be adverse to giving a member some extra bonus points if they lost out on compensation for a highly sought-after adoptee that got traded, but I’d rather do it on a case-by-case basis before every draft.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
A compensation proposal
That I don’t know if I’d vote for. I’m pretty much in the boat with Fla-Giant, but not because I think people will manipulate the draft process – I don’t have that sort of faith in our capacity to plan and connive. I just think that if someone leaves, they leave and you get to draft again.
But this system would cut out some of the manipulators if there were any.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
not because I think people will manipulate the draft process
I would be shocked, shocked I tell you, if this were to occur.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
when is the draft going to be held?
seems like there’s a lot of math to do before then
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 9, 2012 9:40 AM PST reply actions
Put this in the category of shameless self-benefit
I suggest a higher weight (1.5-2x) given to months on MCC pre-11/1/10.
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
I think the current formula is alright
And I agree with f.p.: if you did not claim the guy you got back in the trade, it’s like throwing your adoptee back. And chances are you will have a high enough score to a high slotting.
Wasn’t minor league FA the same as ML FA last year?
So alone...
Twitter
My thought:
I feel like the founder of some high tech company whose products have become so complex that I don’t even know how they work.
Who cares? What’s my stock worth?
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Hey...the Fanposts are fixed Yay !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I’m looking at having to be offline for awhile so I’m going to go ahead with the dead beat parents list. As I said before I don’t think there will be too many people that haven’t posted since March 1 2011. Which is the date I just arbitrarily selected, but I need to move on this now.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Dead beat Parents
@ Intervention needed @
SloisLonelyForTheOrange
Mike Hawk
DubsFanByTheZoo
beat_la_25
nuerofarm
merkin
gore51
PacBellBoozer
whiteteandpoptarts
Speedforthewin
microwavedonut
BleedBlackNOrange
The Neuschler
@ um @
Larson2042 2fanshots 1 comment
jobrien9 1 comment
capnk 1 fanshot 1 comment
@ I need help with @
Bochy’s IT Guy
GiantFan
TexasRanger
Because SBN’s search function is kinda ridiculous [ " " don’t help] and it doesn’t seem to care about differentiating between GiantFan and Giants fans… can somebody else please double check these three?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I couldn't find any recent posts from that last group
I’d say people in both of those last two groups can give up their adoptees
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I am pretty sure that TexasRanger was around last season
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 9, 2012 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing he moved to a cave in the mountains when Wheeler got traded.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 9, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever happened to merkin?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
he does have his own Giants blog, so maybe he’s more involved with that. I think I might have his email address somewhere. I’ll look for it when I have a chance. It also might be in his profile.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'll chime in and go on record keeping Mike Fontenot
And saying that I thought the system last year worked pretty well.
In regards to compensation, I think you should only get compensation if your player was traded and you were the odd man out in who got the new guy
Example being the Sanchez and Verdugo for Melky trade. Whichever user had the higher draft position, going by whatever formula is decided upon, should have first dibs. If they don’t want Melky, the other user gets that option. In the event the higher ranked user takes Melky, the lower ranked user should have some sort of draft bump. I don’t think they should jump to the front of the list, but something like a 15% bump in draft points, as discussed above, makes sense to me.
Any scenario where someone doesn’t want to take the new player (higher ranked user gives up Melky to lower ranked user, or neither user wants him) equals no bump in draft position, because they had a chance at a replacement player and chose not to take him.
Adopted Giant: Mike Fontenot
He's like Grant, but fun size.
Occasionally, I tweet.
Google Doc with Formula
Copy and paste to your own doc/spread sheet, and put in your values?
Can I get a couple hundred extra draft points for creating this doc?
And per my note on the spreadsheet, I’d like to propose the Tatoo rule. If you have a giants player number tattooed on your body, you get to multiply your draft points by your tattoo number. :)
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
In hindsight, reading your sig, I retract that statement. I’ll take your word for it. Lol
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 10, 2012 4:00 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, last time I posted a pic of my tat, I nearly got banned.
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Feb 10, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
14998 draft points?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Save the calculations, people. We’ll have a “who’s in” post later today.
Things to be settled before then: what’s the calculation going to be? Are we just going to keep the same formula from last year?
My vote
is use the same formula from last year. We are baseball fans. Do it for the sanctity of the game.
/ Bob Costa’d
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
so wait
are we using this:
Draft points = #comments + (20 * # of months of membership) + (25 * # of FanPosts/Shots)
or a new one?
on that one I’m at 6975 points.
Time to comment some more.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
The coefficient for FanPosts/Shots is 35, not 25, but you’ve got it otherwise right.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 10, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
youre more than that
you have 8762 comments alone
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Feb 10, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we only counted McC comments?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 10, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hey folks
unexpectedly busy day today. I’ll post the who’s in FanPost tomorrow morning, first thing I promise.
I think the formula should be more heavily weighted for months...
…and less for number of posts.
Just sayin
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
by bigboneded on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions
WOO, TIME FOR SOME FRINGE GUY THAT I CAN ROOT FOR TIL HE TOOOOOOTALLY SUCCEEDS
Because it’s going to happen. Definitely.
I was lucky when I was in the draft, I had the 1st overall selection. I could have had anybody but I chose between players: the one I took and Buster.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
rules
Are we only drafting 2012 draft picks, or any Giants minor leaguer here?
Always analyzing the stats... don't care about scouts.
?
how can you pretend draft somebody who hasn’t been really drafted yet?
to get an idea of who [and what] has been drafted check the mcwiki
http://mccoveychronicles.wikispaces.com/Adopt+a+Giant+Program
many of those players have been set free and will be available for the upcoming draft.
Our upcoming draft usually takes place around the time pitchers and catchers report the MLB amateur player draft thing isn’t til May? McC only does one draft a season, in Feb.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
and if you want to participate in the draft join the “who’s in” thread http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/2/11/2792205/2012-adoption-draft-whos-in
and throw your hat into the ring.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Merope…Do you know where we are on the “released” Giants ? Do you need me to create a preliminary 2012 list for the wiki ?
Let me know if I can help.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I kinda did the opposite, I made a retained list everyone, everything still under adoption.
I can try emailing it to you, I sent it to fp but, last I heard he couldn’t open it.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You got it right, I just expressed it wrong. Go ahead and send the list off to me. I have multiple variations of both Mac and PC desktops, along with multiple types of office programs. I should be able to open it. If I can, I will send off a copy to FP and post the “retained” list on the Wiki
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I sent it, it was done in open office, and I worked off the original list that I sent you previously. If you could open that one I’m guessing you would be able to open this one.
Like I said Melky and Pagan need to be added I don’t know who they belong to. Or if they belong to anyone.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Not a problem..
opened fine and cleaned it up a little.
I’ll send a copy on to free fp in excel and post the “known” 2012 links on the wiki later tonight or tomorrow morning.
Melky and Pagan’s parents need to check in if they are keeping those guys
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I don’t know about Pagan, but I know previous owner of Ryan Verdugo was interested in Melky, and rotorueter was not.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 12, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on McCovey Chronicles
Related FanShots on McCovey Chronicles
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Big League Stew - MLB - Yahoo! Sports
- Get a grip: Reds’ Todd Frazier loses bat, still connects for home run (Video)
- Eric Hosmer redefines the Baltimore chop with infield double (Video)
- College player makes impossible over the fence catch to save tournament game (Video)
- Security!: Camden Yards guard collides with Royals’ Mike Moustakas
- The Juice: Nelson Cruz matches career high eight RBIs, Pujols stays hot in Seattle
