Salvador Perez and the Giants
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 1, 2012 11:34 AM PST
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| Year | Age | Lg | PA | HR | BB | SO | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 17 | Rk | 99 | 0 | 5 | 10 | .244 | .320 | .279 | .599 |
| 2008 | 18 | Rk | 95 | 1 | 7 | 10 | .361 | .409 | .482 | .891 |
| 2009 | 19 | Rk,A | 396 | 2 | 25 | 40 | .267 | .313 | .356 | .669 |
| 2010 | 20 | A+ | 396 | 7 | 18 | 38 | .290 | .322 | .411 | .732 |
| 2011 | 21 | AA,AAA | 358 | 10 | 16 | 36 | .290 | .331 | .437 | .769 |
| 2011 | 21 | AL | 158 | 3 | 7 | 20 | .331 | .361 | .473 | .834 |
He's a catcher for the Royals. Is he really a .331-hitting catcher? Nope. How good is he? No idea. He's just a puppy. If I wanted to put him into perspective in your Giants-centric universe, I could point out that he's pretty similar to Hector Sanchez.
But that's not the point. Not quite. Salvador Perez comes up here because I'm absolutely fascinated with the contract he just received. The Royals just guaranteed his contract for five years, eliminating the typical minimum-plus contract for the first three years and buying out at least two of his arbitration years. Total cost for those five years: $7 million. After that, there are three team options for years six through eight: the first is $3.75 million, the second is $5 million, and the last is $6 million.
I've never been this fascinated with a contract before. It's as if Perez is going to walk into the front office tomorrow and declare that he has leprosy. Thanks for all the guaranteed money, suckers. If that happens, though, the downside is that the Royals would be out $7 million. The upside is that they could save scores of millions over the eight years if Perez is something of a star.
What interests me the most, though, is that Perez isn't supposed to be a star. He's highly thought of, but he was never a top-100 prospect. This isn't like an Evan Longoria or Matt Moore deal. This is, again, like the Giants signing Hector Sanchez to a similar deal. The Giants had to pay a decent-to-good player like Cody Ross $6.3 million in his final year of arbitration just for being decent-to-good. They're doing the same with Melky Cabrera.
What the Royals did is hedge their bets that Perez was going to be decent-to-good. If he's decent, the Royals will probably save a little money.
I have no idea if this is a good idea. Seems like it. But it's probably a little above my head, all this contract talk. It still fascinates me. And I wonder if it's going to kick off a trend, or if we're going to realize quickly that one side really hosed the other, and that will be the end of that little fad.
Would you guarantee Hector Sanchez $6 million or $7 million with a bunch of team options after the first five years? I think I would. I have no idea if Sanchez will ever be a major-league starter (and the Giants sort of have a catcher already) ... but I'm a sucker for speculative investments. Explains all the HotBot stock I'm sitting on until the market turns around.
Thank you for indulging my whimsy. You may now return to not thinking about Salvador Perez.
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I love this idea
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Feb 29, 2012 8:53 PM PST reply actions
nah
It’s kind of odd how excited people here are about Hector Sanchez. He’s not even the Giants’ best catching prospect.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
He might not even be their second best catching prospect.
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Jax!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
That says more about the Giants than it does about anybody else.
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Arguably third best.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Not all that excited about him.
Just like the idea of a bet-hedging contract and super-cheap players. For five to eight seasons.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 1, 2012 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
I saw this contract yesterday or the day before, paused, went along with my day. I should have looked at it further because the years/money were so odd.
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 8:55 PM PST reply actions
Also, did this buyout any FA years or just ARB years?
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 8:56 PM PST reply actions
hm
I can’t love his walk rates, but his K rates were also very low. What did the scouts say?
Pablo says he'll be great.
Perez is a fellow Venezuelan also represented by MAG and Pablo is not a scout, so here is a healthy sized grain of salt for you to take.
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A MATT MOORE DEAL
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Only if he is a Morneau type player
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Why not just wait, then try and cut off arb if he’s good. They’ll know more after three seasons. Makes no monetary sense to do this now.
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
More likely, he’s average and they waste a few million.
I understand the downside is minimal in THIS instance, but the Hector Sanchez as an analogue is appropriate as “should this be standard practice.” If it was, the org would lose more often than not so it would become excessive loss in aggregate.
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
See below.
If he’s average, they save some. If he’s above average, they save considerably more.
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See below.
If he is a replacement level backup catcher, it costs the team, at most, $4.5M. Considering his age and position, I’d hazard a guess and say that he stands to make at LEAST a million in arbitration. So, more like $3.5M.
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What if he quits baseball and decides to pursue a career in reality tv?
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I don’t know how it ever could be standard practice. Top prospects will never take this kind of deal, and if you spread around a lot of these contracts, a good fraction will end up overpaid washouts. Though I do wonder if some new “Peter Brand” is trying to fashion a new method to handle player costs during the team-control years.
Whether it’s a good idea for one guy is hard to know.
That's what's so fascinating to me.
This contract isn’t for top prospects. It’s for the middling-to-okay guys, which I think is a first.
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 1, 2012 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
You really are fascinated by this aren't you
It wouldn’t surprise me if teams try to lock up guys who project as average but with some hidden upside to deals like this. Not sure I’d give it to Hector Sanchez right now, but if Gillaspe comes up and hits OK for 100-200 ABs this season or something, I’d consider it.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Age would be a big factor. In addition to the cost certainty, you’re buying control of the player through the first two years of free agency. Perez and Sanchez figure to hit free agency around age 28-29, so those two years could be quite desirable. But players like Gillaspie and Crawford will be more like 30-31, so you’d be more likely to just let them go.
4:10 is a weird start time for an opening day game. Thought I would have to take the whole day off work, but will instead leave at 3.
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 9:03 PM PST reply actions
You want him to be the highest payed Bay Area athlete?
- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = *sigh* Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US??? The ny giants sadly =(
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
BTW, if you can manage it
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If Perez is replacement level from now until free agency, this costs the team around $4.5M over five years.
If Perez is out of baseball by the start of this season, this costs the team $7M.
If Perez turns out to be a league average player, he would be due roughly $10M/year when he reaches free agency (adjusted crudely for inflation). Following the normal scaling of arbitration, and assuming he does not get Super-2 statues, he would make roughly the following:
2012: $480,000
2013: $500,000
2014: $520,000
2015: $3,000,000
2016: $5,000,000
2017: $7,000,000
2018: Free agency ($10M)
So, if Perez, a catcher with a good defensive rep and a decent ceiling as a hitter, turns out to be a league-average player, the Royals get some surplus value on their contract at a premium position. In the meantime, they get cost certainty as Hosmer and Gordon move towards free agency.
I like the move.
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I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Good deal for Perez, too – at the age of 21, he has more money than he knows what to do with.
I love contracts like this.
by Lies and Perfidy on Feb 29, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I wrote this up before realizing that their are option years. Amazing.
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Bah. there*
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Also, there's details on the option years.
The contract includes three team options which were presumably essential for the Royals. They can retain him for $3.75MM in 2017 and lock up two free agent years for a total of $11MM in 2018-19. In other words, the Royals will have the chance to lock Perez’s prime age 27-29 seasons up at a well-below-market rate.
Two-thirds of the value of the contract is protected by option years, with the possibility for amazng savings if he’s even league average.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
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So if he is worth 2 WAR per year over 8 seasons before turning 30, the Royals would save in the neighborhood of $15 million over the course of the deal.
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I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Yeah, he basically guaranteed that he’ll never get even a 20+ MM contract in FA, but he also just got to know that he’ll pocket $7 MM. Talk about risk averse. From his perspective, it’s probably a terrific idea.
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I think it’s a good deal/gamble for both sides.
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Perez had a very small signing bonus, if anything
And wants to support his family in Venezuela. So the $7mm means a lot more to him than it would to prospects who have more financial security.
Yup
I really love this move. It’s not going to be some Longoria type steal, but it’s still a good move where the risk is practically zero and the reward is potentially very good.
One of the first good things Dayton has done outside of drafting/development, and it’s hard to say how much credit he deserves for that.
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Too lazy to look
Are there any catchers in the Royals system that would replace him as a starter any time soon?
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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Not really- Pena is our back-up, and puts up back-up catcher numbers.
Pina is our AAA catcher. He projects as a suitable back-up, but probably nothing more.
Happy March, by the way.
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
Where are we going?
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Me? To bed, I hope. It’s been a long day.
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Oh, can I ask you a favor?
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Is your email on your profile?
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Thank you so much. I have to get some sleep.
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You were up first!
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30 seconds of fame, and man, you rocked that meteorological explanation.
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Excellent.
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NO U
Is it weird to hear yourself talk? I can’t stand the sound of my own voice (though nor can anyone else!) but is that true for you too? Or have you heard yourself so much at this point that it isn’t a big deal?
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I’m not crazy about the sound of my own voice, but I’m used to it.
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I got over it singing in various choruses in college.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Have a great march to there.
I’ma watch Survivor and The Challenge.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i read this in an interesting way
We are all going to your bed?
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Oh, I don’t think he’d like that.
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Never know until you ask
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2 hours and 40ish minutes til Birthday Month begins! :D
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Hey! Mine too! I’m on the 6th!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
YAY! (and of course, Happy Birthday Month!) I share my birthday with Will “the Thrill”…I was clearly destined to be a Giants fan ;D
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Luckeee…mine is shared with Shaq. I was destined to be an LSU fan.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
oh, I…uh, well, yeah! Yay for you and Shaq! or Ohhhh, I’m so sorry! ;)
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Lol. It was a good thing til he became a caricature. I was actually in Louisiana when he committed from high school and it was huge news so I was a fan early. Then the Lakers happened.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i’m in March, too. 10 days away. My birthday is shared with Chuck Norris, Sharon Stone and, one of the most infamous persons in modern US history (and thankfully dead), Osama Bin Laden.
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by say hey nation on Mar 1, 2012 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
yup, my sons is on the 5th
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Feb 29, 2012 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I started coming out on the 5th and the official birth time is 12:00 am on the 6th.
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by bigboneded on Feb 29, 2012 9:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
East coast bias.
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by Soulbrother16 on Feb 29, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
That reminds me, I am going to order Oblivion from Amazon today.
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Let us know how you like it
I played it a few years ago and didn’t really like. I absolutely love Skyrim. I’m curious how common this opinion is.
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FWIW
Posey is sitting on a 13 game hit streak
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 9:23 PM PST reply actions
Longest active streak in the majors.
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Depends on if you count Magglio Ordonez.
He has 18 games, but isn’t signed anywhere.
Really? Is he bad now?
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Injured a lot. And he hit like 250/300/350 last year in ~1/2 season
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 1, 2012 6:11 AM PST up reply actions
Holy shit his career best OPS+ is 166. That would rank as BLB’s 16th best season.
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by say hey nation on Mar 1, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
Sheez. He used to be good. Might be a good buy low for somebody. NOT YOU, BRIAN SABEAN!
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Yeah, he would be. Would be a good pick up for the A’s during Manny’s suspension.
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by say hey nation on Mar 1, 2012 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
are they allowed to keep a streak going from last season?
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yes
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by Giant among Angels on Feb 29, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. It was the same thing with Hershiser's shutout streak in '88. It was considered intact to begin '89 because playoff games don't impact such streaks.
He gave up a run in the 1st inning of his first start so it ended up being moot.
But, yeah. Hershiser could’ve extended his streak in ’89, and Posey can extend his in ’12.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Feb 29, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Also Gagne's save streak still continued despite the ASG.
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Yeah, that too. But Hershiser's streak had more of an impact on me, so that's what I think of in these situations.
Difference between being 7 and early 20s, I guess.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Feb 29, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Creepily OT
but does the name “yoshifett” mean anything to you?
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by slackersphere17 on Feb 29, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Boba Fett?
Where?
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It does not!
Whether that makes it more, or less, creepy I can’t say.
But beyond the obvious fett = star wars synapses firing, it means nothing to me.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Mar 1, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Really a great deal for both sides
I would sign that deal in a heartbeat if I was Perez, and if he turns out to be average or good the Royal could save a lot of money. With Over slot draft signings being capped I could see this as the next way for small market teams to save money (and yes the Rays did it first… again).
Dayton Moore sure does make this league a fun place.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 9:34 PM PST reply actions
Well, I wouldn’t do this for Sanchez because the Giants have Posey, Joseph, and Susac (along with the ever underrated Alex Burg :) ). I’m not 100% sure what Perez’s defensive reputation is, but if he is a good defensive catcher (or even just adequate), it really makes a lot of sense to make this deal. He isn’t a great hitter, but $7 million over 5 years isn’t much, so it’s not a massive gamble. If he’s good behind the plate, the Royals win (and so does Perez, because he has a steady job and he’ll be a millionaire before 23).
Alex Burg, my adopted Giant, is a member of the BCAA (Backup Catcher Association of America). You'll see him in the majors soon enough.
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"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
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Threw out 46% of baserunners in the minors.
Reported 1.8 unload, generally a good reputation as an all-around defender.
Plus, his offensive numbers in the minors are generally around a year young for his league.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Threw out 46% of baserunners in the minors.
Reported 1.8 unload, generally a good reputation as an all-around defender.
This is good.
Plus, his offensive numbers in the minors are generally around a year young for his league.
Well, I doubt that means he’ll turn into some sort of juggernaut, but even a decent bat (to which he has room to grow, due to his youth) would make him quite the commodity.
Seems like a good deal to me.
Alex Burg, my adopted Giant, is a member of the BCAA (Backup Catcher Association of America). You'll see him in the majors soon enough.
Yeah, I just think the age vs. level would mitigate some of the drop in his numbers when adjusting his minors numbers to major league performance.
Judghing by the BP article Deleuzian linked, it seems like he’s always been seen as a defensive catcher who might hit, so Grant’s comparison to Hector Sanchez is actually a pretty good one if you ignore their respective organizations. The main lingering concern is about his size and weight, and whether his knees will hold up.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
I only like this deal
If the Giants go the whole hog and sign everyone who’s ever shown much potential to such deals.
Sundrendy!
Burriss 5/$7
Bocock 5/$7
Linden 5/$7
Foppert 6/$15
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, Todd Linden
I always heard he was an asshole douche
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by LincecumFTK on Feb 29, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Bocock’s career wRC+: 11
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And yet, I’d rather have him than Burriss.
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Good lord. Burris has more than a full season’s worth of PAs. 64 wRC+.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Brandon Crawford, but without the defense!
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
To be fair, Crawford doesn’t have vrooooooooom potential.
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Of course, Burriss steals bags at pretty much exactly the breakeven rate.
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get on base first
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Crawford Fld + BsR, 220 PA: 4.2 runs
Burriss Fld + BsR, 651 PA: 2.6 runs
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Yeah, not saying Burriss’ speed is an actual attribute.
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Not an attribute?!
It’s the only reason he’s even replacement level!
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
What’s Burriss done for the Giants ever
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Put Darren Ford on the DL?
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Remember when Darren Ford....
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sucked?
Yeah I did.
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HE STOLE BASES MAN
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lol 60% success rate
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Sure, but it’s not enough to actually make him good.
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I mean, he sucks nuts. It’s the only skill where he is even average. But it’s been worth half of a win in a season’s worth of at-bats.
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He can't even suck nuts well!
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all in all though?
these really are just numbers…. sooooo…. yea
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They’re numbers that represent actual events that actually happened.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
So... you're saying, it happened?
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In so many words.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
just so happens that Velez had a -77 wRC+
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So... Schierholtz's 107 wRC+ actually happened?
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all i know is with that stat, is that 100 is average
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Yeah
But it doesn’t factor in a positional value adjustment so you have to account for that. For a corner OF, 107 with very good defense is probably around average.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Just WAR, of the popular ones. Anything with a + adjusts for league and park, though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
so + is what we should always look at over just wRC
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I don’t even know if you can find “RC.” Most sites use “wRC+.”
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
oh i'm just asking in any stat, "+" is something
we should look at a little more closely than just that stat without the “+”
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I usually do, yeah.
Unless you don’t trust the equations they use to adjust it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
yea, i was just wondering what you thought on it, because honestly i don’t know how all of this really works
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for the record
OPS:OPS+::wOBA:wRC+
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oWAR
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I don't think so
That’s just the offensive component. The positional value of WAR comes from the dWAR.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I guess I interpreted that differently. oWAR normalizes for offensive position and so only compares you to your peers at your position.
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Ah
oWAR assumes that every player is an average defender and therefore the stat utilizes the player’s contributions from baserunning and batting, the positional adjustment (to account for the difference in batting stats at each position) and the replacement runs factor that counts playing time the player kept from going to a replacement level player.
You’re right.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
It’s Calbear’s stat of choice for position players, so I’ve run into it multiple times. (Don’t think anyone else around here really cites it—most seem to prefer fWAR based stats.)
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That’s what i figured, so Buster with a 129 in 2010, that’s unreal, right?
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Pretty legit.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just scratching the surface of this sort of thing
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Someone in the last thread said they were excited to watch the intrasquad game tomorrow
Is it being webcast or something? CSN site is so damned confusing and can’t find any info.
Online. I believe same link as last week.
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I wish it would come in on the phone.
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OMG thank you for the reminder
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9 AM. Check either here or the Giants website early tomorrow. The link will be posted.
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Thank you much
It’s so weird I can’t readily find this info on the CSN site or a search of the CSNGiants twitter feed.
Well well he finally got it after ESPN dicked over years ago
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I wonder what Obama’s thoughts on Teen Wolf are.
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yeah
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Wait, I'll answer as soon as i stop laughing "WarninTracPwr: come september who will be everyday ss for SF? Crawford, Fontenot or Theriot?"
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tommyk @WarninTracPwr
@keithlaw thanks
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That is awesome, good god
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@keithlaw may I remind you, Fontenot was their 3 hitter for a brief period last year..
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Please don't remind me
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Mike Fontenot batting 3rd in 2011:
.222/.371/.556
.244/.385/.488 for his career!
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LOL ISO?!
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LOL GIANTS SS
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ICO
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Paperwork won out. This is my way of coping.
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I promised myself I’d devote some time tomorrow since our shoot got cancelled.
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I am at the final battle, done with everything except Emerald and Ruby Weapon.
A lot of leveling and AP grinding to do before those.
I just left Costa del Sol.
Into the unknown.
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Is that an enemy skill?
I’ve been abusing the hell out of Matra Magic.
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Yeah, like one of the best enemy skills.
You get it from this slug thing on the beaches of Costa Del Sol. You have to manipulate them to get it though.
It casts Haste and Wall on your entire party.
Nice.
I’m a completionist so I’m playing with an FAQ, and getting Chocobuckle was a complete PITA.
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Also be on the lookout for
Trine and Magic Breath are two other good ones. Magic Breath may kill you this early in the game.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my god this is kinda funny
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lolz
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Powerful counterargument. He can't hit. "mandalynngill: @keithlaw really? Crawfish can run circles around you. Future Gold Glover."
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 29, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Keith Law just made my freaking day with these past few tweets
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Wait, I'll answer as soon as i stop laughing "WarninTracPwr: come september who will be everyday ss for SF? Crawford, Fontenot or Theriot?"
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LOL
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Powerful counterargument. He can't hit. "mandalynngill: @keithlaw really? Crawfish can run circles around you. Future Gold Glover."
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How's he suppose to win a Gold glove when he can't hit?!
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by Badly Browned on Feb 29, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
TRADE FOR REYES!
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64 dollar question:
Will the combined SSs that Bochy throws out there this year outperform offensively the combined SSs from last year?
I’m going to guess yes. But I’m not overly confident.
Yes. Probably by .030 OPS, to pull a number out of my butt.
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I can see a .590-.600 OPS out of the SS position next year. Something like .220/.290/.310 would still be an improvement over last year. And yet still bad.
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Giants OPS: .671
Astros OPS: .684
Astros pythag: 62-100
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Yeah, this came up multiple times. With a league average offense, the Giants would have been a 100 win team by Pythag. With a league average pitching staff, they would have been worse than a 100 loss team by Pythag.
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It depends on how much Bochy platoons Crawford, and whether Ryan Theriot can still hit at all.
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Just for reference:
Giants shortstops were .210/.265/.299
wowie wow wow
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This is what we got from SS last year
.226/.279/.324
wRC+ 62
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That's pretty sad
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Wait, that’s a big difference from what’s posted by QuakeFan.
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Hmm I pulled it from Fangraphs let me see..
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Yah go with Quakes
.210/.265/.299 line
I don’t know what fangraphs did
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Probably lumped in people who played shortstop even when they weren’t at SS.
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Yah I think thats right
Cuz the game total is 281
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Made it more optimistic
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The wRC+ was tied with Reds for 2nd worst in baseball
The worst was the Braves with a wRC+ of 61
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lol Alex Gonzalez
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My first thought was “wow, that’s bad”. My 2nd thought was “um, I don’t think Crawford can beat that”. Crawford last year: .204/.288.296
Part of the solution!
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Crawford has to improve right? He can’t be any worse, right? right?
At least he takes some walks and has a little pop. Isolated OBP and SLG can sure look decent when you only subtract .204.
Second year at the level, knows he’s with the team out of camp, supposedly playing every day, abnormally low BABIP relative to the league: 10th worst among 355 players with 200+ PA. Of those bottom 10, Crawford was the only one who had a K/BB lower than 2, and had the highest BB rate at 10.5%.
There is a lot of room for regression, and most projections predict at least marginal improvement. Of course, those are only projections.
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That is about 30 OPS better
Crawford will have to do better. I think the backup is Fonty, Theriot platoon, or maybe just Fonty.
Blerg
Here's how bad Adam Dunn was in 2011
Brandon Crawford’s OPS was higher than Dunn (.584 vs. 569)
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I'd never really heard the scouting perspective one way or the other about Crawford
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@mandalynngill because his swing is atrocious, he lacks bat speed or plate discipline, and has never hit above A-ball.
I have no idea if his swing is atrocious or not. It looked kinda pretty to me. That’s why I’m not a scout.
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he also showed plate disciple last year. The question is whether that discipline is legit
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by CalBear949 on Mar 1, 2012 7:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I definitely noticed the slow bat speed
But yah, otherwise I thought it was pretty smooth
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KLaw also exaggerates to make points stick.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 1, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
THIS IS THE WORST POST EVER
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I believe the batspeed bit, the rest sounds like klawperbole.
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by oldjacket on Mar 1, 2012 7:46 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
He hasn't hit above A-ball.
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I was just talking about the scouting stuff
not facts anyone could look up.
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by oldjacket on Mar 1, 2012 7:49 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Facts about which Law is somewhere between wrong and exaggerating. Why didn’t he just say, double A?
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
In 2010, he had a league-average bat in double A. For a shortstop with a great glove, that is hitting above A ball.
What he has never done was hit like a top prospect. Because he isn’t. But he has hit above A ball.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think that year in 2010 gave me a bit of hope about Crawford’s bat. But things haven’t been so hot since then.
Ask me about my blog.
Not me — he was repeating the league. You always discount repeat-year improvement unless backed up by scouting. But he had a 99 wRC+ at an age-appropriate point as a defense-first guy at an up-the-middle position, so Law was wrong.
All he had to say was, ‘above double-A,’ but he just couldn’t bring himself to, which is why I am always careful with Law’s commentary. You have to throw half of it out. The other half, though, is pretty good.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
No, hold on
If a guy has 700+ PAs in AA, you can’t just take the 300 of them where he was league average, ignore the 400 of them where he was terrible, and use the 300 as evidence that he “has hit above A ball”. Look at the whole sample. Otherwise, Eugenio Velez’s first two weeks are evidence that he “has been a good major league hitter”.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Dude, we are talking about Law, not Crawford. Try to keep it straight. Law said he had ‘never’ hit above A ball, when for 340 PAs in 2010, he did. That is enough evidence to show Law was, at best, exaggerating or simplifying to make his point.
Why you want to equate 340 PA with two weeks eludes me, but more power to you, I guess.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
I simply disagree
Crawford has never hit above A ball. He hasn’t. Cherry picking arbitrary 3/7ths of his AA career to make it look like he has distorts the data.
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Please respond below. I am tired of making the same argument three times because you can’t stick to one thread.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Career:
A-ball: .335/.415/.560
AA: .250/.313/.369
AAA: .234/.291/.327
MLB: .204/.288/.296
None of those have enough PAs to be particularly reliable, except maybe for AA, where he has a 765 PAs in which he has sucked.
What you say is true, but ignores the fact that a year earlier in AA, he was awful, in more at bats.
So yes, for one half of one season, he hit league average above A ball. But as a whole, his hitting stats in every level above A are terrible.
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He was also 23
Not exactly a spring chicken in AA
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we're talking about Law, not Crawford
Law exaggerated to make a point, which seems like a nervous tic for him. He’ll never stop, but it’s worth calling out, lest folks swallow all his pronouncements whole.
Crawford can’t hit, but you don’t have to exaggerate to make that point. The only question is, how bad is his bat?
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
You're picking out an arbitrary 300 out of 700 PAs to say that Crawford "has hit" above AA.
On the whole, no, he has not hit in AA. He has been awful in AA.
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If Crawford could put up the same 80 wRC+ in the majors that he did in 2009 in double A, the worse year of his two stops there, he would be a completely serviceable major-league shortstop.
He has not been awful, he has been below average.
The Eastern League is a very hard place to hit.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
No
Because an 80 wRC+ in AA equates to a worse than 80 wRC+ in the majors. He was 20% worse than his AA league. How much worse do you think that makes him than major leaguers?
He has been awful.
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Funny, I thought we were talking about the entirety of the double-A sample for a 22- and 23-year-old. In entirety of that sample, Crawford was below average, not awful.
Why you are defending Law on this eludes me. All Law had to say was, double A.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
Except that Crawford has not hit well in AA, so why would he say that?
In his complete AA career, Crawford has sucked.
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The opposite of ‘has never hit’ is ‘has ever hit,’ not ‘has ever hit well.’
Law is a smart guy, but to him exaggerating and simplifying to make his point is like breathing.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
I'll unpack:
Brandon Crawford has not hit well enough at any level above A ball that would indicate that he could hit well enough at the major league level to be good enough to play in the majors.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We agree that that is what Law means. I assert that that is what Law should have said. I further assert that the evidence suggests that Crawford’s bat, while putrid, could be good enough to play in the majors, at least as a backup, for so long as his defense remains superlative.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
I would also assert that he hit just fine in the majors last year. He had bad luck with batting average but otherwise fit the profile of an average hitter for a shortstop.
The BABIP was obviously low, but I think the K rate regressing to his true talent is going to for the most part offset the rising BABIP. I don’t think he’ll hit better than about .220-.230 in the majors.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
when someone says “hasn’t hit since x” I tend to think they mean “hasn’t had a single good offensive seaaon since x”
You think you've got people betting against you? Adam Duvall is one of the green spots on the roulette table.
by oldjacket on Mar 1, 2012 8:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
a fair point
You think you've got people betting against you? Adam Duvall is one of the green spots on the roulette table.
by oldjacket on Mar 1, 2012 7:53 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
If KLAW says it, it's true
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But if I’m honest, I can’t really argue, except with the vehement tone. Much as I’d like to.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
I think that’s why Law offends me so much. Why not just say, ‘above double A’? 100% true, and makes his point just as well.
by wcw on Mar 1, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of this
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Watching a little part of the replay of MLBN’s Top 100 players right now. Al Leiter and the host said if Posey (ranked #60) played 1st, he would be ranked lower as his value wouldn’t be as high at 1st than at catcher (Harold Reynolds disagreed). Amazing someone at MLB Network agree with people here.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This whole time these have been on I read the description as “Repeat” and “2011”. I assumed they were last year’s. They are for 2012?
Totally forgot that the Reds DONT have Yonder Alonso anymore
so that would mean that Votto would probably be sticking with the Reds longterm?
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
It's a replay
But your boy, Damon Bruce, is on Chronicle Live for the Blitz segment.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
oh i know, he ripped soccer and Kozimor teased him about Indiana hoops
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
by the way, college hoops? i feel really bad for saying this, but it's a rivalry, LOL SANTA CLARA
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
ot: feel good insect story of the week
Here’s the story: About 13 miles from this spindle of rock, there’s a bigger island, called Lord Howe Island.
On Howe, there used to be an insect, famous for being big. It’s a stick insect, a critter that masquerades as a piece of wood, and the Lord Howe Island version was so large — as big as a human hand — that the Europeans labeled it a “tree lobster” because of its size and hard, lobsterlike exoskeleton. It was 12 centimeters long and the heaviest flightless stick insect in the world. Local fishermen used to put them on fishing hooks and use them as bait.
Howe Island walking sticks seem to pair off — an unusual insect behavior — and Goodall says Patrick “showed me photos of how they sleep at night, in pairs, the male with three of his legs protectively over the female beside him.”
dawww
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 29, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yeesh
Everyone went to bed at like 11:30 tonight.
I tore the roof off the house for my son Chuckie Jones.
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
last!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
I just bought the best T-shirt ever
When I saw it I was like I MUST HAVE IT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
This is either
Sex in the Taiwanese champagne room or Taiwanese sex in the champagne room
The Golden Bear is ever watching
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
by CalBear949 on Mar 1, 2012 6:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
also this siamese cat I'm hanging out with may not be my spirit animal
But we are going on an ayahuascan vision quest together.
Parent of Charlie Culberson.
Happy Birthday to Mark Gardner!
Giant Dirtbags: :(
David B. Flemming is Diamond Certified.
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2012 6:24 AM PST reply actions
One week from today I will be in Scottsdale, AZ watching Giants Spring Training
/stares at clock for week straight
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
Luckyyy
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
And I get to see a young Paul Konerko!
Brian Murphy @knbrmurph
You know it’s Spring Training when you get fired up hearing Steve Decker compare Tommy Joseph to a young Paul Konerko. #insideball #SFGiants
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
I want to believe
For the record:
Konerko as a 19 year old in A ball: .277/.361/.455
Joseph at same age / level: .270/.317/.471
The next season, Konerko broke out, hitting an incredible .304/.399/.545 as a 20 year old in AA/AAA.
Here’s hoping, Tommy.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah, Tommy doesn't have that skill
But if he wants to be like Matt Williams and sock dingers with low OBPs, I’d be fine with that.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yea
Any catcher who can slug 450 plus is fine by me if he can keep his OBP near league average.
Blerg
And he really doesn't walk that much at the majors right now.
Tommy better learn to start walking at some point.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Huge difference in the age 19 lines, especially considering (a) the offensive level in the Cal League was lower back then, and (b) Konerko was the better part of a year younger than Joseph, despite their having the same baseball age. But yeah, here’s hoping!
A thought that blew my mind: Could Konerko make the hall of fame? He’s not yet 36 and has 396 homers.
Ozzie Guillen sure thinks so, but he doesn’t have much hardware, does he? Does he even have any top 5 MVP finishes?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, I just don’t see it. I don’t think he’s done well enough by traditional numbers or more advanced metrics to really get much consideration from anyone.
Also, man, he is slooooow. -50 baserunning in 10 years? That’s pretty much close to the worst every season for 10 years in a row.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
If he makes it to 500 home runs, his hall of fame case will be a test of whether the voters have absorbed the stat revolution at all.
Yeah, you may be right regarding the 500 HR milestone. However, I don’t think he’ll make it to 500 HRs. He’s at the age where production just completely and totally falls off.
My bbref-fu sucks, but it looks like there have been 20 players who hit 110 HRs or more beginning with their age 36 season. So it’s definitely more possible than I thought, but I still wouldn’t bet on it happening.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Also, for context, this was out of 442 qualified players.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Awesome
Have a great time
Giant Dirtbags: :(
David B. Flemming is Diamond Certified.
by Giant among Angels on Mar 1, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
Fangraphs announcers rankings
3. San Francisco Giants
Broadcasters: Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow
Ratings (Charisma/Analysis/Overall): 4.7, 4.4, 4.7
Three Reader Comments
• "This is a great broadcast crew to listen to if you want to hear about the finer details of pitch sequencing and pitching strategy. Krukow is very good at offering non-Lowest Common Denominator analysis, and while being a former player, doesn’t fall into the ‘gritty grindy’ analysis trap."
• "Kruk and Kuip are great and hearing a game called by them is a treat. They’re funny, personable, and impart plenty of knowledge and stories from their playing days to the viewers. My only real complaint is that they rarely if ever criticize the team’s decisions. There are ways to do that without being nasty, or come off as downers, but they always act like every decision made by the Giants is the right one (Krukow especially)."
• "On [umpire] Jeff Kellogg taking a foul tip to the groin: ‘Two balls, one strike.’"
Notes
There does seem to be a great deal of affection among respondents for Kuiper and Krukow. Also, probably over 50% of the comments make a point of noting the contributions of radio (and occasional TV) broadcaster Jon Miller, too.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/broadcaster-rankings-tv-10-1/
Never heard the Mets guys. And, even though I’m not a huge fan, can’t begrudge Scully being #1
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
I know this is about Kruk and Kuip, but Jon Miller will always be the #2 most important voice in baseball for me
- being my grandfather. I will probably break down and cry when Jon’s done calling games.
Parent of Charlie Culberson.
where did those horrible Chicago announcers end up?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The White Sox were dead last, #31
31 because they gave separate ratings to the Dodgers home and away teams.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Put it on the boaaaaaaard! Last!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I was shocked by the Astros guys
I listened to them once and wanted to punch myself in the face.
Loved that the Rockies guys were near the bottom. They’re TURRIBLE
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
I like Scully
But he shouldn’t be #1 anymore.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I don't like Scully
And he definitely shouldn’t be #1 in my opinion.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He’s awful. My wife couldn’t stand him and didn’t start watching baseball with me until we moved out of Southern California and back up to the Bay area with our announcers.
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Mar 1, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I think he gets bonus points for being a part of baseball history
He is pretty good, non-partisan, always trying to tell an interesting note on players from visiting team. K&K are top 3, and have almost the same “scores” as Scully.
Blerg
He's terrible.
I’m sure at some point in Abe Lincoln’s day he was superb. Now he sounds like a robot.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I almost fell asleep listening to him. I really don’t like him.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah. Gettysburg was apparently real short, but I still managed to doze off.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’m not a huge fan of his, either, though I chalk it up to being too young to appreciate him. I feel the same way about Lon Simmons, too, actually. Plus Lon was doing A’s games when I started listening regularly (~1989-1990) and I hated the A’s then.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
Tweetybox
by troymccluresf on Mar 1, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
When I lived in Orange County and listened to Scully
He bored me to death. But I get the #1 ranking.
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
He’s one of those voices that you hear that instantly makes you think of baseball so there’s that. I don’t know how many voices like that are left what with FOX and ESPN being the main broadcasters and both blessed with horrible announcers
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Mar 1, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
He repeats himself too much.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
He repeats himself too much.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Whoever did the animatronics on his corpse should get an award.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get the Scully love
I think people are in love with the idea of Scully. I’m sure he was great once but every time I hear him now he sounds like he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Frankly, he could probably use an analyst partner.
I hope we’ll soon get videos from Grant in a dimly lit basement talking about Brett Pill.
Ask me about my blog.
Rev is extremely punchable
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
zomg there's an intrasquad game today
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
dunno, I is cornfused I think Baggs just tweeted noon, but the Giants thing said 9.
that doesn’t even account for time zones.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
WUT?
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
They shouldn’t beat people, it’s not nice.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I thought they were smooking clove cigarettes and pounding on bongos
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
C3PO's PENIS
Good morning, everyone. I am back at work after 2 days off and my mini-vacation has already worn off.
It is now March. LET THE MATT CAIN COUNTDOWN BEGIN!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 7:55 AM PST reply actions
CAINDOWN
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Mar 1, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Matt Cain’s extension is like C3PO’s penis. Nonexistent.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
orly?
you’re welcome
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Mar 1, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
I have a hat with C3PO’s penis on it?
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
this is your hat?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Mar 1, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
WS Championship Hat
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Not clicking that link.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
its actually kind of interesting
allegedly a piece of the costume fell in just the right way that it made C3PO look like he had a penis for his trading card picture
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Mar 1, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
Imagine being a youngster and going on a long family road trip to Matt Cain Land. You are sitting in the backseat bored out of your mind endlessly repeating:
HAVE WE SIGNED MATT CAIN YET
HAVE WE SIGNED MATT CAIN YET
HAVE WE SIGNED MATT CAIN YET
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
I went to high school with this guy
Joe Panik is on KNBR right now.
I like him already.
I like the new SBN android app
makes it more entertaining to be stuck on stupid MUNI
You think you've got people betting against you? Adam Duvall is one of the green spots on the roulette table.
by oldjacket on Mar 1, 2012 8:24 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Looks like the 9 am game is on SGLive
Yesterday’s Ghost Post I think was for today, and today’s SFGLive scrimmage.
Blerg
Are you saying that
Grant posted prematurely?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
by CalBear949 on Mar 1, 2012 9:00 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
PSA: hikers and backpackers
http://www.calstar.org/membership/default.aspx
For as little as $40 a year you can make sure you don’t get a $25,000 medi-vac bill if you break an ankle on half dome.
If we can ever start hiking again I’m signing us up. MrMerope’s ankles are made of rice paper.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
LOLinups
#TeamSnow
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
at least he wasn’t immediately sent to Fresno
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Mar 1, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Giants maybe in ST
but the McCoven is in mid-season form
The Golden Bear is ever watching
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
by CalBear949 on Mar 1, 2012 9:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
UP WITH PEOPLE!
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
Holy shit, Futurama did a battle of the sexes episode in this last streamable season and it might be the worst episode I’ve ever seen.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
How has that show been since it’s return? I watched the first 2 or 3 and never got around to watching any more.
It’s surprisingly good and shockingly bad, depending on the episode.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
a lot of people are still in the post game thread
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/3/1/2836192/overflow-thread-3-1
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I promised that thread forever, but once I got the booty I was outta there.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
You fickle bastard.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
OT:Blade Runner + Aliens?
Just saw the 2023 TED Talk with Peter Waylend…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmfN0S9w_Fc
Is the sequel to this going to be Blade runner VS Aliens VS Predator?
I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth
I loved Aliens and Predator as a kid, but Blade Runner only grew on my recently.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
The Ted talk preview confuses me.. Its Peter Weyland..(from Aliens) talking about Androids who look like people…(Blade Runner) I’m curious where he is taking this.
I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth
It sounds like what happens when you’re a small child and you mix all of the Play-Doh colors together thinking that it will make some amazing color…
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
Alien, not Aliens,
if you are talking about Ridley Scott. Aliens was the lovable Avatar/Titanic guy.
Sorry. I’m one of the few that loved Alien but though Aliens kind of ruined the whole mystic.
I’m enjoying looking at the football equivalent of pitchface: Combineface.
This guy needs a photoshop of stuff chasing him, for one.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Just one?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops, sorry for the huge size.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
i think everybody’s in the new thread anyways.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I hate them all.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 1, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I guess this comment informs the alleged porn invite.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
If Han Solo were a Giant, where would he be in the line up?
He’s got a super cool haircut and kind of a ‘Jeff Kent’ attitude. I’d put him 2nd or 3rd. Replace Posey with Chewbacca and you’ve got a power punch duo from outerspace with just enough Llama fetish to satisfy Grantville. They’re watching.. They always are..
If Han Solo were a Giant, he’d swing first and I’d hate him for it.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Mar 1, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I'd root for the Giants to lose
Just so I could see Chewie pull the pitchers arms out of his sockets.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
If Han Solo were a rookie
Bochy would send him back to Corellia for some seasoning.
GET BACK TO ME WHEN YOU DO THE FUCKING KESSEL RUN IN THE PROPER AMOUNT OF DISTANCE, KID!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 1, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT IF HAN SOLO WAS WHITE?
The first six innings are overrated.
I can tell you what happened in the Brewers game!
I actually just started working for them on their spring training staff, mainly selling tickets but I also was in the sausage race today. Met Brandon Crawford’s wife (girlfriend?) today when she was picking up her tickets. Once I figured out who she was I made sure to mention (quietly) that I was a Giants fan
by hankmoody on Mar 4, 2012 6:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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