The Making Of "Homer At The Bat," The Episode That Conquered Prime Time 20 Years Ago Tonight
The fantastic Erik Malinowski digs into one of the greatest moments in American history. At the intersection of baseball nerddom and Simpsons nerddom, there is "Homer at the Bat." Here's how it got made.
Also, that episode is 20 years old, and you are old.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Steve Sax had a run-in with the law.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
We’re talkin’ Homer, Ozzie and the Straw.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
What should I name my Shepard?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Eugenio Velez
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
The name’s translated literal meaning is well born, or of noble status.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’m gonna go with Gerald.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Gerald is a masculine German given name meaning “rule of the spear” from the prefix ger- (“spear”) and suffix -wald (“rule”).
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
So noble
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Gunter
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 20, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Was going to mention this on the old thread, but since the conversation all went here, I’ll mention it now. Mass Effect 1 & 2 are on Amazon for $5, if you get the downloadable PC version. I just got the second one for myself. I might try it out some this week while I’ve got a little time.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Scrotie McBoogerBalls... Shepard
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Feb 21, 2012 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Too late, that's my Shepard!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
Argyle
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:19 AM PST up reply actions
Dylan. Coyne.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Ron Swanson.
And make him look like so.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"-Wayne Gretzky"-Michael Scott.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Feb 21, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I was 1.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
You grew up in a world entirely devoid of new quality Simpsons episodes. This saddens me.
The first six innings are overrated.
On the other hand, I grew up in a world full of quality episodes of other things.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Like American Idol!
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
THE BACHELOR!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Friendship is magic!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We’re talking picture quality here, right?
"Most decisions get made by time and space.." Brian Sabean
With HD, yup. Didn’t have that in 1992.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I'm saying that most animation isn't detailed enough for HD to make a significant difference..
It’s not like baseball or Hockey, where you’re trying to track a 4-pixel wide object moving around at a 100 MPH.
Actually, it doesn’t matter for a lot of TV. Just gilding the lily most of the time (or worse, revealing the actors’ many wrinkles and pores, a la Fox’s excrable postseason closeups).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Did you have TGIF?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
BTW, this was a big turning point in that Thursday night at 8 pm slot
Before that, the Cosby Show on NBC was kicking ass in that time slot, but the Simpsons gradually gained ground.
Did I just blow your mind, padawan?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
There was a scene at the beginning of episode one of season 7 (when Simpsons moved to Thursdays) where Olivia walks into Cliff’s room with a Bart Simpson mask on. Cliff says “Now cut that out”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
i didn't even watch the simpsons much growing up
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
My family was more into South Park
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
haha, really? I never really got into that either
growing up it was more X-Files and Seinfeld, plus some Unsolved Mysteries
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Yeah, my Dad and I used to watch South Park and Buffy all the time. Plus reruns of Are You Being Served and Monty Python on PBS.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Oh wow, my girl is allllllllll about Buffy, i can see Sunday Buffy marathons when we live together… Don’t know how i’ll be able to handle that. Although i’ve never really seen Buffy.
Never watched much of PBS growing up, TOO MUCH NICK
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Buffy can be palatable for anyone of any gender or persuasion.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Especially the earlier seasons that tended to have more humor and less drama.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well then i shall watch it with her
plus it’ll definitely makes her happy
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Burns pulling Strawberry for Homer (It’s called playing the precentages!" is still my go to quote during games for dumb moves based on left/righty splits.
Also, best episode ever? I’d have to go with Hank Scorpio, with the Shelbyville lemon tree one a close second.
The first six innings are overrated.
The sabermetrics one made me laugh
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
Ricky "Light Tower Power" Oropesa
Dummyball?
Pretty good, but I don’t feel right suggesting that anything after the 10th season or so merits consideration for “best episode ever.”
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Those are awesome
but my personal fave is the hallucinogenic chili peppers and space coyote.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
"Wait, dogs can't talk!"
“Bark!”
“Damn straight.”
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Monorail
Definitely Monorail
The Giants finally won the World Series. Now what?
by jordanovich on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The subliminal vocabulary tapes episode has several of my favorite jokes from the series. Also, Bonestorm.
I think Three Men and a Comic Book deserves some mention because, for my money, it was the first time the show really made good on its potential. I used to call it the “first perfect episode.” But I think it’s more reasonable to say it was the first time the show was simply great.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
I loved “Talkin’ Softball” for more than a decade before I realized that the song was a parody.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
I didn’t know Conan O’brien used to be a writer for The Simpsons.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
I only know him as a TV host, didn’t know anything about his past.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I think I’ve seen this before.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
HOLY SHIT. Either Stewart is really really small or Conan should be playing the NBA.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Feb 21, 2012 5:29 AM PST up reply actions
It’s pretty amusing to see Jon Stewart stand next to Conan.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNntfTDOLNo
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa I didn’t see your link.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
/whistles nonchalantly
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
He has talked about writing for the Simpsons while hosting his talk shows many times.
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
He wrote for SNL as well.
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Once he showed the skits on SNL where he was an extra. One of them he was the back end of one of those horse costumes. Literally a horse’s ass.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
WHO'S THAT AT THE DOOR?!
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
Golden Gate Beer Bars | Tweetybox
by troymccluresf on Feb 21, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
He wrote on SNL before that.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
He is not that funny.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
by CalBear949 on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hahaha.
Acute radiation poisoning, cranial gigantism, and pits of eternal darkness? Meet your 2011 Red Sox.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Warriors are giving their fans everything they should hope for
Close, exciting game, lots of monta scoring and three point shooting, but ultimately a close loss.
Lets see if the warriors deliver here.
Don't worry
Next 6 on the road.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Dammit
I thought you meant they lost.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
go figure, they play better with Udoh in the game. Color me shocked
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
19 points?
Is that a career high for Udoh?
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
it is
throw in the fact he shut down Blake Griffin in the second half
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Only reason why I had the game on was to see if Griffin would have one his highlight dunks.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And he had maybe one awesome post move and that was it
outside of that, he was pretty much cleared out of the lane. Udoh, although not as good as Monroe, is what he is, a defensive beast. The fact he’s shown some offensive game is a plus. You give this guy 35 minutes a game you could see some pretty good numbers consistently
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Play by play voice was awful as usual.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Guess he told a fan on the radio today that he had a very limited basketball knowledge
because the caller said he’d rather have Monroe over Udoh… Bob Fitgerald is a very smart human being
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Ffffff
Wish I would’ve watched now. Love watching Udoh play D.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Agreed, he's the more athletic/offensive Foyle
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Pitt. The. Elder.
punch
Always analyzing the stats... don't care about scouts.
LORD PALMERSTEIN
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
The greatest prime minister in British history!
by vibratingsheep on Feb 21, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I buggered that one up.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
WAH? Is he playing a baseball player?
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Pretending to be a baseball player is his specialty.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
by Solidarity on Feb 20, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to super not watch that now.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Yeah, it pretty well sucks. But Mrs’ B enjoys the boys on it.
"Most decisions get made by time and space.." Brian Sabean
I liked the buddy cop dynamic at first. But it got a bit old.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Mattingly! Shave those sideburns!
“I still like him better than Steinbrenner.”
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Feb 20, 2012 10:10 PM PST reply actions
I made this after Bochy outfoxed him and got George Sherrill brought in on short rest.
by Grant Brisbee on Feb 20, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
Awesome
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Feb 20, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, who is the player who's name rhymes with Manseco?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 10:24 PM PST reply actions
Bob Tanseco, ss for the Montreal Expos
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Guillermo Moscoso, formerly of the Oakland Athletics, is now with the Colorado Rockies.
Follow me on Twitter
My boy Shawn Payne takes his walks and his VROOM to Augusta this season.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 21, 2012 2:06 AM PST up reply actions
The thing I always remember about the episode is Darryl Strawberry shedding a tear after the crowd taunted him by chanting his name during the game- “Dar-ryl! Dar-ryl!.” Because I, from the centerfield bleachers at Candlestick, might have taken part in doing a chant like that once or twice. Stupid Simpsons made him feel guilty about it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 10:30 PM PST reply actions
I think when I am searching for Logan Couture/Jamie McGinn slash fic
it is time to put the internets down and go to bed.
Proud parent of Gregor Blanco, the Mountain that Walks, MVP of the VWL.
going to bed to think about couture/mcginn slash
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 20, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
You were right, Tortured, the Walking Dead episode was silly and sillier. So much potential yet so much stupidity
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly!
There’s almost something there, but they can’t seem to remember how people actually relate and speak to one another.
Proud parent of Gregor Blanco, the Mountain that Walks, MVP of the VWL.
I want Glenn and Darryl to go back to being awesome. Also, please cut down on the stupidity of Lori. She drives me insane.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not necessarily that but the just sheer random stupid things characters do just because of the plot— like driving by yourself at night to save your husband or trying to amputate somebody stuck to a fence while zombies are attacking just because
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
When the best thing in the episode not involving zombies
is a blatant ripoff of Macbeth, your show isn’t very good. Also, I was so rooting for that zombie to eat Lori.
Proud parent of Gregor Blanco, the Mountain that Walks, MVP of the VWL.
you and apparently everyone but my girlfriend (who hopped on board the Lori Hate train by the end of the episode)
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
She is such a waste of airtime I don’t know why the writers insist on milking the Rick/Lori/Shane triangle for all it is worth.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
I guess
I just was never all that impressed by the Walking Dead TV series. The pace already seemed extremely slow, and then I just got really annoyed when they branched away from the books to milk the Shane/ Lori/Rick triangle for all it’s worth. Then really annoyed when they spent like 8 episodes first looking for the girl, then completely forgetting about her, and then “surprise!” she was undead in the barn the whole time!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 21, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Also
Didn’t like the main writer or something leave after Season 2 hiatus?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 21, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
It’s not like season one was flawless when Darabont ran things, though. It feels like they’re undergoing a course correction, but these two-person, two-page scenes in between quick zombie battles doesn’t work as well on TV as they do in the comics… mainly because the characters are frighteningly dull or just pointless.
by Every6thDay on Feb 21, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I have totally been there. Unfortunately for your fic needs you are not a fan of the Blackhawks or the Flyers.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I assume you have already read this article on BoC?
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
A friend and I were peeing our pants reading it the other day.
Proud parent of Gregor Blanco, the Mountain that Walks, MVP of the VWL.
I ship them. But there is no fic. Really there barely any Sharks fic. I think there was one semi-decent Joe/Joe AU. That was about it.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Pete Best.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
‘cause I’m startin’ to think somethin’ may be a bit odd — perhaps a random drug test may turn over a few facial hairs…
He's doing a photoshoot of the Two Virgins cover.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
I think he looks more like Cat Stevens on that picture on SFGate
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I always just assumed he was turning into the other Brian Wilson
The first six innings are overrated.
Yeah, the Beach Boy keeps coming up in my Tumblr tag.
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Heath Hembree
So, Alex Pavlovic’s latest blog post linked to this video, which is Hembree pitching against the Stockton Ports.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDP70Y_Uk5Q
First time I’ve seen him throw; that fastball looks pretty filthy, if he can throw it for strikes.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Heath Ledger :(
Adopted parent of Chris Stewart. Hey, at least he isn't Eli Whiteside or Bengie Molina!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
heathcliffe?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Grant and Nic Cage
Together in harmony for eternity.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Feb 20, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
Going back to baseball.
Melky has a career slugging percentage under .400. This saddens me. And I think is going to sadden a lot more of us.
He takes more pitches per PA than Freddy Sanchez. That astounded me when I found it out.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
FREDDY'S PATIENCE!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Dude waits on the DL patiently!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that he's a Giant.
I know it in my head, but in my hear he’s just some shlub I’ve barely heard of.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
The Simpson'ms episode about
Sabermetrics was gold as well.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
by CalBear949 on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Seinfeld > Simpsons
Simpsons should have ended after 9 years, too.
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 PM PST reply actions
Or…just go with me for a second here…perhaps you just don’t get it?
I used to think Pulp Fiction was a bad film. But so many people love it and the critics love it and I was in the minority with my feelings. I said, well, perhaps I was wrong. I watched it again. I was wrong.
I am not saying you are wrong. After all, just because your opinion is different from the majority, it doesn’t make it wrong. But…well…Seinfeld is pretty generally regarded as one of the greatest sticoms ever. So it’s got that going for it.
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 20, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Adopted parent of future Giants starting SS Ryan “The Riot” Theriot. Just you wait.
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 20, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
One of my pet peeves is when I (or anyone) says “I like that show” and other people react as to say “How can you like it? That show is terrible” as if everyone thinks or should think like that person.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
you're thinking too hard
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
how about sports>Seinfeld+Community+parks and rec
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
Raging since 2009
Naw
Seinfeld > Parks and Rec >>>> Community
And “Sports” includes a lot of crap which lowers the grade considerably. For instance: Community > Boxing. WWE > NBA.
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
I will cut you
Season 1 of Community is clearly better than anything Parks and Rec has done, even Season 3.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
It's all obsolete, really.
1. Arrested Development
2. Scrubs
3. Everything else
I tore the roof off the house for my son Chuckie Jones.
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Scrubs above everything else?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Yezzir
I tore the roof off the house for my son Chuckie Jones.
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think you’re the first person I’ve ever encountered who’s thought that highly of Scrubs.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I considered putting it above AD.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
the confirmed the movie for Arrested Development, right?
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THEY* not the
via Baseball Prospectus: "Perfect World Projection: He could be a star-level starter, but its far from guaranteed." Kyle Crick!!!
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hahaha
That’s about as likely to happen as the Party Down movie.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
::raises eyebrows::
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by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
In this line.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Feb 21, 2012 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
It was funny for a long time.
I tore the roof off the house for my son Chuckie Jones.
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
When was it funny?
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 21, 2012 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
If you say Scrubs was never funny
You’re just lying.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 21, 2012 2:48 AM PST up reply actions
It’s never made me laugh. Whenever I’ve seen it, I find it confusing. I think they are supposed to be doctors but I can’t suspend the disbelief and just sit there thinking…these guys aren’t doctors. They have to be nurses. This is supposed to be a comedy, right? What else is on?
So...I've decided to adopt Seinfeld.
by positiveuphemism on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting, because the show was (The Todd excluded) designed to more accurately represent doctors’ lives and the hospital environment than other shows on television.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean I have to buy into Zach Braff as a doctor.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 21, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I had a much harder time accepting the premise that I should root for that character than the one that he was a doctor. But, we all have our sticking points.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
The level of dumbfuckery evident in the characters has always made it difficult for me to suspend disbelief. Because I can’t believe those dumbfucks got through med school. I mean, it can be amusing at times but I’ve never been able to really get into it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 21, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Scrubs would probably be my favorite sitcom of all time if not for all the stupid shit they did with the storylines.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
> Seinfeld is pretty generally regarded as one of the greatest sticoms ever
Genghis Khan is pretty generally regarded as one of the greatest ever, but like Seinfeld his influence was primarily malign.
Couldn’t you have just invoked Nazis for Godwin’s Law’s sake?
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Yep. Genghis Kahn was an awesome sitcom.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 21, 2012 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
“… and what’s the deal with this Xia Dynasty?”
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
That’s like arguing apple pie vs pumpkin pie. There’s no real winners or losers, especially if the pumpkin pie wasn’t left out in the sun for 10 more years than it should have
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
I dont get why people pile on the contemporary Simpsons episodes. Especially in comparison with Seinfeld.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I haven’t seen a new episode in several years that I found to be funny at all.
I also haven’t watched many of them, because I don’t like that feeling.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I find them good compared to everything except their best. My point is that everyone seems to be repeating the “Simpson’s sucks now” mantra, but I havent heard actual criticism.
Again, I’ll grant to each their own, I hate Seinfeld for its structured predictability. If you’ve seen it you can see those show-ending “twists” from a mile away.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
There was a period where the writing legit sucked. Somewhere around the 14th season, I think, where the writers really started scraping the bottom of the barrel.
They have since found a second wind, but I think during that period a lot of people left and never looked back. What I’ve seen since then has been at least okay, but it hasn’t felt like the Simpsons for whatever reason.
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I think at one point there was a fundamental shift in the comedy of the show. My experience was that the older episodes that I loved had a really conversational, organic humor, and the newer episodes that hurt me had a more punchline, slapstick humor.
Maybe this hasn’t been as much of a thing in the newest episodes, but it was killing me for a while.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
It went from family show to sitcom to cartoon to… meme generator? Callback machine?
by Every6thDay on Feb 21, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
For a while, the point of each episode appeared to be “What stupid thing can Homer do/say next?”
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, so for those of you who were interested (probably nobody), I came up with a thesis for my paper.
“Through the countless displays of superstition and ritual as a catalyst for success, the portrayal of mentorship, both romantic and professional, and the paradox of a career minor leaguer, Bull Durham is a film that depicts baseball as a game that should not only be loved but treated with the utmost respect.”
I promise I will still respect baseball in the morning
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by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 20, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely like it
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Just now watching it for the first time. Great so.far— made me love guys like Cain and Vogey even more than I already did… But one kinda strange thing— I’ve noted a distinct lack of MadBum. Like, he hasn’t even been mentioned yet. I don’t know if that changes, but it strikes me as pretty weird.
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by Smoke on the Water on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 AM PST reply actions
To be honest, that show really kind of bored me
I stopped watching at some point when I stopped being able to find it on YouTube, and I never really bothered picking it up again.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I actually found the entire season on You Tube.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This was while it was airing. I’m sure it’s all there now.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I usually found each episode about a week after it aired.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It lacked a coherent throughline, and even as a Giants fan I was a little bothered by the “Rah rah! Giants are awesome and can do no wrong!”
One of the nice things about HBO’s 24/7 is that they follow two opposing teams for a month or so. So they are not beholden to making one team look awesome all the time. The ability to compare/contrast the strengths and weakness of two different groups was pretty nice.
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by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 21, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
The lack of a decent timeline style plot is kind of weird… I get that they’re trying to highlight players lives and personalities, but hard knocks does this well and manages to keep a good plot. Still, it doesn’t bother me too much given that I know the team and how the season went…
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by Smoke on the Water on Feb 21, 2012 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed. I liked the first episode, maybe the first two…behind the scenes with Cain and his family was neat. After that, it skimmed over so much stuff I enjoyed about following the team and just felt like a bad, fast forwarded summary of the season. I think I watched most episodes out of a sense of obligation as a Giants fan.
by Random Giants Fan on Feb 21, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
it stopped at such a random point in the season too
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I should go to bed
but this is the first alone time ive had in three days
McC and street fighter online it is
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:12 AM PST reply actions
super street fighter 4
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
Cammy ftw
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
She takes break from bad sideline reporting to appear in fighting video games!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I played SFIV to death, but for some reason, I didn’t play Super as much. Maybe because people got too good or I got tired of seeing the same characters over and over.
I just started playing street fighter
I was pretty much super smash bros only for a long time
I know what you mean
people are too good and they all use ryu/ken/etc
Although i’m on to talk, cammy is pretty over used as well
but yeah im pretty terrible
im also super pissed they released a third game
i dont want to pay for arcade
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Ive played like 6 juri's tonite already lol
who was your main character?
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
I wanted to give fei long a try because he is so fast
but i could never get him to feel right
I was akuma for a really long time but i was tired of always being beaten by ryu so I started being cammy
are you going to play sf x tekken?
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, I’m kind of burnt out over fighting games at the moment. I tend to go for more slower-paced fare these days.
No that I have a toddler its really hard for me to find the time to play rpgs and stuff
so im kind of the opposite of you
I usually liked slow paced games but now I have to play games where I can sneak a few rounds here and there
that and playing deadspace at night gives me the willies
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 AM PST up reply actions
oh so much fun
dead space 1 especially
its really freaky at times though
its survival horror done right
dead space might actually be my favourite game of this gen
its up there with bioshock 1, me2, fallout 3, and world of goo
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
Pat Burrell might be a coach (right click for new window) in the same type role as WIll Clark (spring training).
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Holy Shit.
According to fangraphs Halladay, Lee and Hamels had a combined WAR of 19.8. For reference, the combined pitching WAR of the Giants for 2011 was 22.9 and 22 teams had a team pitching WAR of 19.6 or less.
Roy Halladay’s WAR of 8.2 alone was higher that the Orioles, Reds, Pirates and Astros combined pitching WAR (8.1, 7.0, 6.9 and 4.1, respectively) All three had higher WAR’s that the Astros.
Kickham where it hurts
Sounds about right.
The Phillies pitching staff as a whole had a higher K/BB last year than Lincecum did when he won the Cy Young in 2008. That’s nuts.
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They're OK.
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You're in the UK right? Can't imagine there are too many baseball fields there.
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I think they’re mainly co-opted football pitches out of season. I can’t really take up baseball here as I spend the summer playing cricket, but when in the US I’d like to learn.
Sundrendy!
All you need is this.
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video Ratto and Baggs on Chronicle Live
Ratto says it’s pointless to speculate on Buster Posey’s physical condition and whether he’s able to catch complete games until late March because he’s been reporting no pain and is on a “normal schedule”. Ratto says he doesn’t think the Giants “have many concerns” that Buster will be able to catch next season and he won’t be in the mix for first base until Bochy figures out what he’s going to do with Belt, Huff, and Pill.
Baggs says that even though many assume Chris Stewart will be the backup next season, in part because he outplayed Eli Whiteside, Whiteside is “probably the incumbent” for the job because he’s a “favorite” of Bruce Bochy and the pitching staff and because he was dealing with injury last season.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=3nBO9n_Ylq28ky2nd04J9bk2XROjcVh3
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
I liked how Ratto said it was pointless to speculate for a long time and then Baggs says it will be real interesting pretty soon the first time he catches bullpen two days in a row. Ratto=lazy. Baggs=discovers something interesting coming up.
As you said that, Baggs made another speculative article about Burriss winning a roster spot.
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I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
It is interesting that winning the backup catching job turns out not to be based on merit.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:18 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff Matthis
Veeeeery interesting
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They keep saying Eli is fine now because it was all about a bad elbow.
But how does a bad throwing elbow explain all those passed balls?
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Dude hits grand slams.
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Pitcher whisperer.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Romosexuals
The object of your affection on KNBR now…
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Feb 21, 2012 7:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
It is nice getting real baseball stories about what is going on
The one thing I liked most this weekend was the short video of Posey taking BP. Damn that swing is pretty.
Blerg
Deadspin: POSEY SHOULD NEVER CATCH AGAIN!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:36 AM PST reply actions
I tried to explain to my son how amazing that episode was
How the lineup was filled with the best players baseball had to offer (and Steve Sax). I had to explain the sideburns part too. He just nodded at me and laughed when Homer got hit in the head.
I’m old.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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I finished A Dance with Dragons over the weekend.
No more GoT books DDDDDDDDDD:
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you could read the prequel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Dunk_and_Egg
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll check those out. Thanks!
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Its cool because he hides little nods to them in the books
Like of one the shields brienne uses is from that book
the one with the bat
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
At least until 2016, yeah
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2016?! GODDAMNSHITFUCK
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Note: not an actual date. Just based on GRRM’s perceived speed.
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I initially read GODDAMNSHITFUCK as the name of the DBacks guy that hits homers off of Lincecum.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
haha
Yep, I’d guess about 2016 as well. GRRM is busier these days then he was trying to write ADwD. In fact, I’ll take the over. If the HBO show continues, it won’t get to the next book, which is call The Winds of Winter, until about 2017 (assuming SoS is 2 seasons). It’s the final book that will be interesting timewise. HBO won’t wait 4 years to do the next season.
I actually bet he’s going to get a ton of pressure from HBO to speed things up if the second season of GoT is really successful.
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meh. I don’t think TV shows think that much about 3 years into the future. They already have their material for the next 3 years after this season. That’s better than almost every other show on TV.
Dan Szymborski's ESPN Insider piece on the Giants offseason was really good
Tiny excerpt:
Now one could argue that the Giants are saving their cash in an attempt to sign Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum to long-term deals. That’s fair, but simply signing Beltran and Barmes while letting Belt play first would have gone a long way toward improving the club for 2012 and would not have cost it that much in terms of talent or dollars.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Personally, I'd rather have pitching.
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They should have done both
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
Giants have done a pretty good job convincing people that it's an either/or question
When it really isn’t.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Beltran will make 13 million next year.
Barmes will make 5 millon. 18 million total.
Don’t re-sign Affeldt or Lopez, replace them with Runzler and Verdugo. Savings of 8 million.
DFA Sanchez or trade him for a minor leaguer rather than an ML player. Savings of 5 million.
Don’t tender Whiteside a contract. Save a million.
That’s 14 there. The extra 4 million isn’t the difference between Tim and Matt leaving or staying, and your lineup could look like:
Pagan CF
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Beltran RF
Belt LF/1B
Huff LF/1B
Barmes SS
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Oh, and don't sign Theriot. That's another million.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm not sold on Runzler
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
But for the most part, I agree with you
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Career #s:
Player A: 4.06 ERA, 3.19 FIP, 3.74 xFIP
Player B: 3.96 ERA, 3.99 FIP, 4.25 xFIP
Player C: 4.12 ERA, 4.12 FIP, 4.20 xFIP
Quick, pick the two that are worth 5+ million and the one that we can’t trust!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
FIRST TELL ME THEIR LAST NAMES
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Lopez and Affeldt also walk a lot of guys
And Runzler strikes out many more than they do.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I actually prefer Runzler straight-out, but the money is very important too, obviously.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Need more dudes to come out of the pen and hand out some walks!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Anyway, you are right
Bullpen’s are the last thing a team should worry about; especially a team having so much trouble scoring runs. It should be the last thing on your to-do list.
But yeah, no likey the Runzler.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
No
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
Where’s the part of the game where we remember that Runzler still sucks?
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And no bullpen.
awesome.
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See below.
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And the bullpen would be
Wilson / Romo / Hembree / Runzler / Verdugo / Mota / (insert reliever).
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah
that’s a dependable bullpen. 2 rookies, a guy who is completely unproven, 2 injury prone guys, and your long reliever.
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Sounds like most bullpens.
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Not a good one.
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Yeah a good one. Bullpens are volatile by nature. If you wan’t 100% insurance you’re going to end up paying extra money on lefty reli- oh wait…
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Since they are volatile in nature, let’s go ahead and put in unproven rookies into the mix. That should be much better.
People love Alderson and Towers. What’s the first things they do, improve the bullpen.
Anthopoulos (our favorite GM golden child) goes out and signs Oliver for $4.5 million and sign Cordero for $4.5 million and trades for two other bullpen arms. He also sign Janssen for 2/$5.9 with a club option $4 million.
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2011 Dbacks:
Sam Demel, Joe Paterson, Bryan Shaw. Not exactly gnarled veterans, but a combined 1 year of previous big league time but provided 80 innings of 120 ERA+ relief.
Sundrendy!
Combined bullpen wages:
Putz $4.5m
Hernandez $420k
Demel $400k
Paterson $400k
Owings $400k
Shaw $400k
Vasquez $400k
Heilman $2m
Ziegler $1.2m
That’s a whole bullpen and more for Lopez and Affeldt money
Sundrendy!
by Deleuzian on Feb 21, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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This is sort of the point.
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1) Diamondback’s payroll was $56 million.
2) What did Towers do again this year. Trade for Breslow and sign Saito for $1.1 million.
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Yes
but he also signed a 33 year old Putz for 2/$10 million
In an interview with SignonSanDiego.com on Thursday, Diamondbacks General Manager Kevin Towers discussed several aspects of the team’s performance. As he has stated several times before, Towers mentioned that improving the bullpen was the team’s number one priority in the offseason.
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and that’s the only part of the bullpen he sunk very much money into, and that’s still less for a good closer than we’re spending on a LOOGY.
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He has a lot less option due to payroll constraints. He went out and signed Saito and traded for Breslow this year.
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Don’t we have payroll constraints as well?
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Apparently Towers gets dinged for spending money wisely to improve his bullpen
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I don’t get this. Because our payroll is higher, we have to spend it on the bullpen and not the offense?
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Because our payroll is higher, we have many more options to sign worse players for more money.
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I never knew JJ Putz was a lefty specialist.
career 3.2 FIP, 3.1 SO/BB 1.1 WHIP
Affeldt:
4.1 FIP 1.77SO/BB 1.43 WHIP
Lopez:
3.99 FIP, 1.45 SO/BB, 1.41 WHIP
He’s better than those two.
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Putz
1) had a very good year in NY in 2010 as a bullpen RHP. But he had a 1.597 WHIP in 2008 and a 1.597 WHIP in 2009. There is a reason why he was cheaper.
2) Affeldt is not a LOOGY.
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His FIP in his 2008-9 was still lower than Affeldt over his career. In fact in 2008 it was 0.2 off Affeldts best ever year
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Affeldt is not a loogy, he’s an equally pointless use of $5m against batters of either hand!
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Actually
he was very good in 2009 and 2011 again both RHB and LHB
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so you're saying
that he identified someone who might be undervalued and didn’t spend a ton of money on him? interesting!
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Of course, this is the way Sabean originally built up the current great bullpen.
I mean, come on, it was mostly reclamation projects and prospects to start. Affeldt is the only one he arguably spent very much on.
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Loading up a bullpen should be one of the last parts to building a playoff team and can be done at the trade deadline. It shouldn’t take priority over improving one of the worst offensive ballclubs in MLB.
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But I’m petrified of our bullpen this year. I think it’s going to regress very hard, and I think the Giants trusting (and committing millions of dollars based on the idea) that relievers being as good next year as they were last year is profoundly dumb.
They say they want to keep their pitching staff intact, but if you keep a pitching staff intact long enough, it will start to suck. And our bullpen is ripe for age and statistical regression. I’d much have preferred to get younger relievers in their starting next year, and be rid of these 30+ expensive lefties with poor peripherals.
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I rec'd this.
Investing heavily in the bullpen is a horrible, horrible way to build a ballclub. Just downright stupidity.
Okay…except a bunch of GMs are doing the same.
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And I bet none of those GMs
Have a team with the offensive deficiencies of the Giants.
How are those teams doing? As I scan my mind for teams that made the post season last year, I don’t think they invested heavily on their bullpens.
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“Other people do it to” is not actually a defense.
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by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Small point about Barmes – they did try and sign him. He wanted the starting job with the Pirates. You can definitely argue they should have given him the job over Crawford though. I thought Barmes would be a nice 1-2 of Crawford platoon or sucks backup/Freddy Sanchez rests and injured backup as well, but his bat isn’t great, he’s got a lot of Coors inflation.
I’ve said this before – you want to go with Dan Runzler in a high leverage situation, you are a braver man than me. The guys making the decisions obviously do not trust him for that roll at this point in his career.
false dichotomy
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Look, you can't sign Matt and Tim AND have pie
If you sign Matt and Tim AND have pie you can’t get moldy cake, stale cookies, and turd filled pastries.
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Giants offseason still gets a D- until Cain is locked up
Then it moves to C+. If they can get Timmy to a long term deal too, moves up to B. They told us Tim and Matt were priorities 1,2 and 3 this offseason… and so far all they did was give cost certainty to Tim.
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Unless they lock Cain up to a bad contract.
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But think of the price!
If they’d been in on Beltran, he would’ve held out for at least 3/45!
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I know it's fun to say this
but I think it’s silly not to acknowledge that it would have cost more to get Beltran had the Giants been in on the final bidding.
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Then just add the 6M we are paying Melky. It wouldn’t have cost more than that this year. Trade Sanchez for a prospect instead.
You can’t double count. Sanchez’s money went to signing Melky.
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GP laid out above what it would take. He didn’t count the 6M to Melky. So don’t get Melky and add 6M more to sign Beltran.
So many issues rolled into one
1) My comment talked about whether it would have cost more to sign Beltran had the Giants been in on the bidding. The answer is most definitely yes. He got 2/$26 million with a full no-trade. Had the Giants offered the same deal, it is likely that Beltran would have gotten $2-4 million more and maybe even a third year. The Giants were not going to outbid the Cardinals with the Cardinals losing Pujols.
2) The Melky trade came much earlier in the year. The Giants had to decide whether they were going to offer Sanchez arbitration or trade him for Melky. This was way before Beltran signed his deal, which no one really knew was going to be.
3) Affeldt and Lopez decision were also made at a much earlier time frame, with the Giants having to make a decision on Affeldt’s option very early on. Okay, let’s assume the Giants went all in. They don’t sign either and keep $8.5 million and trade Sanchez for nothing. That would get you somewhere near $13-$14 million. Would that have gotten Beltran…certainly no guarantee, especially in October/November.
Oh, do you pull the switch on the Pagan trade? Pagan cost more than the combo of Torres and Ramirez. Do you trade Ramirez knowing that you have already let Lopez and Affeldt go.
So there was a good chance that you would not have Affeldt, Lopez, and Sanchez and lost out on Beltran. By the time Beltran signed, all of the other OF options (Willingham, Kubel, Cuddyer) had signed. Now, what do you do with $14 million budget but no one to sign.
Everyone loves to play amateur GM but no one likes to get into the details.
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No one says they can't start thinking about 1 and 3 until 2 was done.
They had enough data to make a decision on Sanchez a long time ago and they already knew they needed offense.
So to borrow a phrase, “Excuse me, but that’s bullshit.”
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1) the triggering point was Affeldt’s option. Once you decided to sign Affeldt, there wasn’t going to be enough money to sign Beltran. Heck, there may not been enough money to sign Beltran even if they don’t sign Affeldt.
2) the question isn’t whether they were going to make a decision on Sanchez. They may have decided that they were going to keep him this year but then KC offered Melky. No one could say that the Giants traded away a sure thing in Sanchez.
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Timeline
October 30: Giants sign Lopez and pick up Affeldt’s option
November 7: Giants trade Sanchez for Melky
December 6: Giants trade for Pagan
December 13: Twins sign Willingham
December 16: Rockies sign Cuddyer (3/$31.5 million)
December 19: Kubel signs with D-backs (2/15 million)
December 23: Beltran signs with Cardinals (2/26)
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So don’t sign Affeldt and Lopez
Trade Sanchez for a prospect
Offer slightly more than the Cards for Beltran.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Would it even be that big of deal if they didn’t sign Affeldt, Lopez, or Beltran? If the choice is between lefty relievers and some runz I think the risk of going after Beltran is worth it.
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The risk is not getting any of them.
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I think I’d rather take that risk than settle for spending ~$10 mil on two LOOGYs on October 30.
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That's what I'm saying.
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1) Affeldt is not a LOOGY
2) Again, I already outlined the all out scenario above. You would be okay with the Giants with $15 million right now and no Sanchez, Lopez, Affeldt, and no Beltran?
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Strawman. There are still, even now, some decent players on the market. In the scenario where they are left without any of those players, they could have used the money elsewhere. Or saved it for in-season trades.
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They could have signed a SS!
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Like who
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They could have traded for Marco Scutaro. They could have decided that options for offense were scarce with Beltran gone and made an attempt to go all pitching by giving Oswalt a shot. They could have gone after any of the shortstops on the market.
Or, as I said, they could have decided, “Well, okay, we struck out, but it’s likely that some good players will change teams one the season starts, so we’ll hold that money for now and get involved in any deals that might come up then.”
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Shortstops that were available by FA or trade that would have likely been upgrades:
Scutaro, Lowrie, Barmes, Punto, Rollins, Reyes, Furcal, Nakajima, Carroll… I’m sure I’m forgetting some.
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We’re talking about what would be available after Beltran signed.
Lowrie was acquired for talent, not money.
Scutaro is not really a SS anymore.
I really can’t believe you brought up Nakajima considering no one wanted him.
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He’s more of a SS than Cabrerror or Tejada were last season.
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That's a good thing?
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he played 109 games at SS last year at an average-ish level. fielding metrics can be misleading, but I don’t get why he absolutely can’t play SS all of a sudden.
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Because not a single point in your argument can be conceded.
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not one!!!!
not even whether I can concede to jponry’s point!
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$8.5 + 5 = $13.5 million.
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Beltran got
2/$26 million…how much more is a little more?
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2/30 incentive option for a 3rd.
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And
you don’t think the Cards could have matched that?
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Well, we don't know, do we?
Because it never got that far. Because the Giants prematurely ejaculated all of their cash on Allefdt and Lopez.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
No
because Beltran was not going to sign with anyone until late with an expectation of 3 years/12-15 million.
Hindsight is such a fun thing.
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because Beltran was not going to sign with anyone until late with an expectation of 3 years/12-15 million.
And yet this didn’t happen and you keep presenting it as it is a foregone conclusion.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
It doesn't matter what actually happened
it matter what Beltran was expecting. It’s a matter of how much the Giants had to commit to signing to Beltran.
Options
1) Do what the Giants did this offseason
2) Wait for Beltran which could have resulted in a) Beltran signing with the Giants and the Giants not having Sanchez, Affeldt, and Lopez or b) Beltran signing with someone else and the Giants left without those players.
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They should have just signed Jose Reyes
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t matter what actually happened
This is awesome. Kudos to you. Heh.
What Beltran was expecting only matters because it allows you to make your (latest) argument. What actually happened is the market. Beltran could have “expected” a pony, but apparently he would have only gotten one had the Giants tried to sign him; which they didn’t.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
No
but the Giants would have had to wait until Beltran didn’t get what he wanted. Which would have involved waiting and not doing anything else in the interim
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So?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I mean, is there a prize for spending all your money first or something?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
No…it’s opportunity costs right? It whether they could have made all those things which they believe improves/benefits the time somewhat or a chance at benefiting the team a lot (but just a chance).
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How is this hindsight?
Everyone has been saying this since October 30, when it became clear that not only was Lopez extended, but the Giants decided to pick up Affeldt’s option.
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Saying what? That Beltran was going to sign for 2/26 million?
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Saying that the Giants were putting too much money into smaller parts of the team, rather than trying to improve the offense
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I would have been completely in favor of spending up to about $15 million p.a. on Beltran so it’s not as though I’m only in favor of it because he signed for much less than that.
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1) The Giants only had one player they wanted to spend money on to improve the offense: Beltran. When Beltran told them that he wanted, the Giants did a risk/benefit analysis and decided that it was not worth risking losing the players that they were going to lose in return for a chance at Beltran
2) It’s the Vlad v. field argument again.
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If that’s the case, then it’s an error in judgment on their part again. There were, for example, quite a few decent shortstops on the FA and trade market this year. The Giants starting SS is currently projected for something like a 70 OPS+. If they decided Beltran wasn’t worth it, rather than say, “Okay, then, time to spend $10 million on relievers!”, they might have said, “Well, okay then, let’s sign one of Affeldt/Lopez and then try to acquire a decent SS.”
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No
the analysis is
1) Melky and Pagan will help with the offense without much future commitment
2) all of the SS options were either old or wanted long term deals.
I said it a number of times, Sabean does not want any more long term Rowand/Zito deals. 2014 is where he is looking toward.
I disagree with this because the window may close by then but that’s where I think Sabean is looking.
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all of the SS options other than Reyes and Rollins signed, like, 1-2 year deals.
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you missed the old part.
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This
Dumb moves are almost always called that from the beginning yet a year or two down the road it’s called hindsight.
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You mean,
they spent their money wisely, and executed their off-season plan to perfection. Why do you forget that the signed Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez before they ever re-signed those relievers?
for some reason
it’s always the Giants who have no choice but to make hasty moves, rather than actually wait out the market. other teams are not beholden to this, but the Giants must always try to get everything done as quickly as possible.
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/signs Tejada and Renteria immediately
/Trades Sanchez before arb figures are even exchanged
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Why are any of those moves hasty?
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By all accounts, Beltran was looking for $15 million AAV over 3 years. The Giants should have stopped all activities, let Affeldt and Lopez walk and traded Sanchez and waited for Beltran to maybe sign with the Giants?
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By all accounts, Beltran was looking for $15 million AAV over 3 years.
Yet he got far less than that. So here we are back at the "if the Giants were involved he would have gotten 3/45. Funny how that works out…
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Stop playing amateur GM Lars!
While I’m trying to play amateur GM!
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What?
I never said that he would have gotten 3/45…just that’s what Beltran was looking for. As the timeline showed, Beltran was waiting out for all other OFs to sign their deals before agreeing to something.
The question is whether the Giants could have gone to 2/$30-32 mil or 3/$36-$40 mil. Even assuming the Giants match, there was no reason to expect that Beltran would have picked the Giants.
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Even assuming the Giants match, there was no reason to expect that Beltran would have picked the Giants.
And there is no reason to expect that he wouldn’t because by Sabean’s own words it never got that far. By the time the Cards signed Beltran, the Giants were already out.
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Why wouldn’t he pick us? Or are we back to the thing that hitters hate our home park and never want to play here.
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“I would consider this organization for sure, because the pitching is unbelievable, and adding those guys back, of course you’re adding more offense to the ballclub,” Beltran said. […]
“But I believe there should be a little bit more than [Posey and Sanchez],” he said.
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That sounds like a man who is willing to play for the Giants.
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Sounds like a man who knows the Giants should have spent more money on the offense before spending it all on the bullpen.
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I thought trading for Angel Pagan was in part a way of enticing Beltran to re-sign with the Giants. Beltran had made clear the Giants needed a better lead off hitter and Pagan was also his former teammate from the Mets.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Beltran was waiting out for all other OFs to sign their deals before agreeing to something.
Is that a certainty? Maybe there was no market for Beltran.
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He signed for the most AAV
…there was a market.
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lolwut
He was also the best outfielder out there.
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Why is that LOL
you basically agreed with me.
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From your post above
October 30: Giants sign Lopez and pick up Affeldt’s option
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Never forget
This
My ignition for rage is when Beltran signs elsewhere.
by CalBear949 on Nov 17, 2011 4:49 PM EST via mobile up actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/11/17/2569495/brian-sabean-and-the-baer-market#83124107
I am hoping for Beltran to resign and Carroll as a SS.
by CalBear949 on Nov 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST up actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/11/8/2546900/how-the-rest-of-the-offseason-is-looking#82367685
Dang it
I really want Beltran back…Posey, Beltran, Panda, and Belt would be a heck of a heart of a lineup
by CalBear949 on Oct 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up actions
Yeah
I would really like Beltran for cheap. But not likely to happen.
by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 4:09 PM EST up actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/16/2641154/bonds-sentence-no-jail-time#85890194
It did happen!
also
Don’t ask me. I think the Giants has had an okay offseason. Signing Beltran would make it an excellent one.
by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 2:11 AM EST via mobile up actions
But, of course, now we realize that signing Beltran would have made it a terrible one.
…2) I would have liked the Giants to pick up Beltran instead of re-signing Lopez. Lopez is great but his dramatic split makes him a LOOGY. Affeldt was actually better against LHB than Lopez and much better against RHB.
…
4) I am somewhat annoyed that the ownership won’t cough up another $5 million to sign Beltran. He would make this team very good.
…
by CalBear949 on Dec 13, 2011 1:37 PM EST up actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/12/2632282/decision-2011-giants-keep-fontenot#85590720
I still think that need to sign Beltran
I just get the budget part of it. I said in the last thread that most of my rage is at the ownership for not ponying up the extra money to get Beltran.
by CalBear949 on Dec 8, 2011 5:23 PM EST up actions
1) the Giants should trade Affeldt and take that money to get Beltran.
2) they should have let Lopez go.
by CalBear949 on Dec 8, 2011 5:35 PM EST up actions
This, of course, is the exact opposite of what you’re saying right now. Must’ve been a hell of a three months.
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by GiantPain on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 14 recs
LOL
recd
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I’m getting images of GP in a court room with a laser pointer saying, “YOUR HONOR, MAY I PRESENT EXHIBIT A!”
Ask me about my blog.
/Opponent research'd
/rec’d
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Only after Beltran signed a reasonable deal at well below market did it become clear that the way Sabean decided to go was the right one.
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Wait
so the Giants should have expected that Beltran would sign below market (which it actually wasn’t).
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Huh? I said nothing about what the Giants should have “known”. Up there, you’re saying over and over again that the Giants should have re-signed Beltran.
When he ended up signing, it was a very reasonable deal. But now you’re steadfast in believing that they should not have re-signed him.
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What?
no…I was talking about whether they should have re-signed him. The issue is whether they could have re-signed him even if they made all the deals that people wanted.
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Don’t “What?” me when you’re the one bending over backwards and twisting your own words to make excuses for every single move the Giants make.
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SAY WHAT AGAIN
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I DARE YOU
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I DOUBLE DARE YOU
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
SAY WHAT ONE MORE GOD DAMN TIME
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DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH?
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ENGLISH, MF! DO YOU SPEAK IT?
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WHAT DOES GRANT LOOK LIKE?
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What?
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DOES GRANT BRISBEE LOOK LIKE A BITCH TO YOU?
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Well, kind of.
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No
I specifically talked about the ownership and their willingness to spend.
I am somewhat annoyed that the ownership won’t cough up another $5 million to sign Beltran. He would make this team very good.
I just get the budget part of it. I said in the last thread that most of my rage is at the ownership for not ponying up the extra money to get Beltran.
Also, a number of quotes were made before the hard budget issue was revealed and before we knew what Beltran signed for.
My stance has always been…pick up one of the two for $5 million and sign Beltran (with the ownership uping the payroll an extra $5 million).
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Are we related in some way, GP?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
I completely agree with all those posts. But for the money that Beltran signed for and looking back at the sequence of events, I can understand the situation.
Again, most of my “anger” is leveled at the ownership for locking in the payroll but I don’t believe that’s a discussion point.
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I really do agree with that second part of the post.
To quote owlcroft “Oh, I’m sure if they slapped a few more pockets they could come up with SOMETHING.” This self-imposed cap while ownership is still Scrooge McDuck-ing it into their vault every night is bullshit.
I can see the gripe but they do have a pretty big payroll. It’s not as annoying as how they ended up using the money they did have set aside IMO.
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Yeah, I guess the real gripe was
I wanted them to open up the purse-strings enough to accommodate Sabean’s mis-management of resources and still make a smart move. Retain those high-priced relievers! Bring those replacement level players back! And still FREAKING RE-SIGN BELTRAN!
/standing ovation
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Now: Having a bullpen without Affeldt and Lopez would be terrible
Then: They should get rid of Affeldt and not sign Lopez to afford Beltran.
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You just ruined CalBear's election chances
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Feb 21, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
/campaign banner flutters to the ground as janitor sweeps up confetti
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
Yeah
like I was ever going to be elected for anything good.
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/pounds rage ignition button
SUSAN COME AND FIX THIS BUTTON
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Everyone loves to play amateur GM but no one likes to get into the details.
lolol
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Because, you know, he isn't doing exactly that
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by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
/because of reasons
(just to piss off Solidarity)
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No worries
GP’s already way ahead of the curve this morning.
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wait what’d I do
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I believe you touted Runzler as a legitimate bullpen choice
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Re-hashing this whole bullpen argument again is really the last thing I want to deal with. Especially given that everyone feels they have a bit more leave to be needlessly rude about it every time it comes up.
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I'm a bit disappointed in myself that I let myself get caught up in it again
Sorry if it bugged you.
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I guess it’s not really my place to lecture, especially about lapses in civil discussion.
I think I’m just going to try to get some work done today. Probably for the best.
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I really think it’s just angst and pent up rosterbatory passion that will only be relieved by actual meaningful baseball games.
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by speckops on Feb 21, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will agree with this.
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This does feel a whole lot like an argument we’ve had on MCC about 30 times since (and before) Beltran signed.
It definitely might be time to move on.
CalBear is never going to convince the rest of us that the Giants had a good offseason and we’re never going to convince him that they screwed up.
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I just wanted to convince the rest of you that he's held diametrically opposed positions within three months
That last quote directly says the Giants should have gone into the season without Affeldt or Lopez and with Beltran, which is 100% opposite of what is now being said.
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But what else should we talk about?
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We could concern troll about the Giants not re-signing Cain or Lincecum and then waiting until Bumgarner gets super expensive to even think about re-signing him!
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Yeah, I mean
I’d rather talk about this than politics or TV shows. <3 baseball.
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Things that she may have said.
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We could talk about whether or not Brandon Crawford can be a viable major league SS.
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/checks sig
Next, please.
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Actually, I think we should discuss that out of our big three, who is most likely to contend for/win the Cy Young this year?
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Head says Lincecum
Because you give the nod to the guy who’s done it.
Heart says Madison. Also, FIP.
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It’s ridiculous how stacked the Cy Voting has been the last few years.
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I’m hoping for a big year from Tim this year. It’s easy to get nervous about two years in a row of decreased production, but plenty of HoF pitchers have had that happen and then bounced back to their previous elite levels.
The key will be getting the walk rate back down to 09 levels.
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The funny thing about it all for me is, I never really wanted Beltran all that much. Sure, he would have been nice, but I just always saw Beltran = no Belt, and I don’t believe there will be a large difference between Belt and Beltran.
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Three letters, maybe.
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Yeah, and is that really worth millions of dollars?
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
If Belt gets like 500+ PA this year, then I won’t mind the lack of Beltran.
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I really want to believe in Belt – the minor league numbers are there, and I like what I’ve seen – but I can’t shake this pessimistic feeling about his ceiling.
That said, I think he should play every day (or as close to it as can be expected from this roster construction) and I hope he proves me wrong.
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I think it’s the hurt that other Giants prospects have given you in the past. But you can let go of it. Belt is for real. Even in a mediocre year where nothing went right and he was jerked back and forth, he put up a 101 OPS+.
In his minor league career, he has hit .343/.457/.596 in 825 PA. You don’t do that completely by accident.
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I did that by accident just last Thursday!
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Get drunk and crash T-ball practice again, speckops?
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True fact: I have never, ever played baseball. Not once. Not even catch.
I will not sit back and let the strawhats tell me I live in my mom’s basement.
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Do not go quietly into that good basement.
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Maybe it’s just because I joined McC during Bowkermania and FLEW Fever, so I am just subconsciously bracing myself for failure.
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Yeah, but those guys were really, like, C-prospects who kicked around each level of the minors for awhile, not hitting very well at times and hitting okay at others, before tearing up AAA in their second go-round.
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Tony Torcato!!!
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this guy was never a prospect
i can’t believe there were articles after 2001 about him being the BONDS REPLACEMENT
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I really wonder
Whether, if you asked the Giants if Belt was an average or below average hitter last year, they would get the correct answer.
I’d be willing to bet Sabean thinks he was below average last year, when he was not.
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No I know
Belt was an average hitter last year. But I bet the Giants think he wasn’t.
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I would say
that Sabean believed that Belt was not very good in the beginning of the year but picked it up in August/September. Heck, I would say Bochy would have to agree with that.
Right now, I would just like to know where Belt is going to be. I think the FO is afraid to rush Belt and felt that they did that last year. I mean Harper and Trout are still in the MiLB.
I do like this quote from Baggs’ blog:
But here’s the key: Belt understands all this now. He doesn’t plan to let his self esteem ebb and flow with every clue or every roster decision, as it did last year. He mentioned a conversation in the Dominincan with scouting director John Barr, who gave him a simple message: "We believe in you. We know the kind of player you are and who you will be." He said those words made an impact.
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I wish we got to hear more Barr and Tidrow, and less Sabean.
Hell, Sabean could be Alex Anthopoulos, and I’d still want to hear more sound bytes from Barr and Tidrow.
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Trout and Harper haven’t dominated AAA yet (or even AA I think). Belt has. I just don’t know what else Belt has to learn in AAA. Play him or trade him.
Trout dominated AA last year.
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And the Angels are being kind of dumb.
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Wow, Torii Hunter is making Zito money this year. I wonder how they’re going to get that situation sorted.
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vernon wells
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loooooooool
HOLY FUCK I JUST LOOKED AT THE AAV
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Well, according to wRC+ he was 98
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
But I’d bet Sabean thinks he was more than 2% below average.
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This is how I felt
except my equation was Beltran=no Belt and no Wheeler. I never really liked the deal.
Now it’s going to boil down to Melky=no Belt.
Yeah, it would.
But I think you vastly overestimate how much more that would’ve been.
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He also likes to say that the Giants paid market value for the lefties we signed, ignoring the fact that using this same logic, if the Giants weren’t in on them, they would have signed for less, which would have set the market value for left handed relievers lower since they were the first to sign. Not to mention the fact that there would be 2 more lefties out there for other teams to sign, creating more of a buyers market.
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
/mind blown
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I would agree with this. But to say that the Giants grossly overpay for them is totally unfair.
Under my scenario, the Giants would have picked up one of the two…leaving the other to the market.
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Yeah, this offseason
The Giants set the market for LH relievers, instead of acting in accordance with it.
$2-4 million more is an over-estimation? Also, you are assuming that he would have signed with the Giants had the Giants matched.
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No, but $2-4 MM is pocket change, really. Make the moves that you have to, backload the deal, offer a third year with a vesting option based on PAs.
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Okay
different issue…you stated that I over-estimated. I had that he would have probably gotten $2-4 million for a 2 year deal and maybe a 3rd year deal.
You guys love him but I don’t want him for 3 years and if $2-4 million is pocket change, the Cards would have ponyed up the same if not more.
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Baseball America's Top 100 Prospect List is out
Notables
35. Wheeler
38. Brown
None of our 2011 Draft Picks make the list
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html
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It’d be pretty shocking if they had, given where the Giants picked.
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Josh bell made the list
I know there were signability issues. But he signed
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Is he the only guy drafted below where our first pick was in 2011 who made the list?
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Hmm
I’d have to comb the list more. I see Swihart made it and he only went 3 picks ahead of Panik.
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I forgot that Billy Hamilton had 103 steals last year. I wonder if that’s a perfect player to sell high on.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=hamilt002bil
He is rather young, though.
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Hasn’t Freddy been there all off season?
Kickham where it hurts
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This is our only hope of making the playoffs so I hope they get it done
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Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
Today's Weather
I’m trying something new today for spring training. Click to embiggen. Constructive criticism is welcome.
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
by TheLetter2 on Feb 21, 2012 8:40 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
YOU ARE AWESOME
(This is my criticism. Otherwise you would be super awesome.)
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
This is wonderful
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
This is great.
My only criticism is that the temps kind of blend in with the picture. I have no idea how one would fix that though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I noticed that, too. I’ll try to work on some solutions.
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
Perhaps when they finally start playing games, add in the first pitch time?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ah, see, I thought about that! I could try that later in the week.
The weather is Bumgarner, traffic’s the shits and you guys need to be nice to each other.
Byzantine ftw
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I like it. The orange font becomes a bit hard to read when it’s smaller, like the (all times Mountain Standard) size. I have a feeling we’ll be seeing a lot of Buster with this format.
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
My criticism is that you are too cool.
You must be stopped, or else continue your evolution into pure energy.
video Baggs and Schulman on Chronicle Live
Baggs says he and Schulman think the interview Brian Wilson had with them yesterday was one of the most “subdued” he’s had. Wilson seems “very focused on getting back to where he needs to be” and isn’t partaking in the kind of antics he did last spring. He wants to be the “guy everyone can count on”.
Schulman believes Wilson was “embarrassed” he couldn’t pitch at the end of last season. He thinks Wilson decided he needed to put aside extra non-baseball stuff until he can return to pitching form. Schulman says the first time he saw Wilson at spring training camp, he was sitting by his locker reading the Bible.
Schulman says Ryan Vogelsong worked hard this past off season because he knows people question whether he’s a one-year-wonder. Vogelsong “has something to prove” but his back injury could complicate things like it did Wilson last season. He’s probably really upset about the injury situation.
Schulman thinks Mota and Clay Hensley will probably make the team and could be used to start games if needed.
Baggs says that ever since 2003/04, when Barry Zito’s fastball velocity started to decline, “he’s had to find new ways to generate momentum, and generate movement, and try and trick hitters”. Baggs gives credit to Zito for trying to improve and “not just cashing his very large paychecks”.
Baggs also says there is still too much money left on Zito’s contract for the Giants to “eat” it this year. Schulman on the other hand believes Zito could be released sometime later in the season.
Baggs says the Matt Cain extension deal isn’t close to being done. The Giants want to sign Lincecum long term and “they know it’s going to be wildly expensive”. The more cost certainty and control the Giants have the better it will be. Buying out Bumgarner’s arbitration years could help with budgeting for Lincecum. The Giants think they can afford to build a team around Lincecum.
Schulman doesn’t think it’s essential the Giants buy out Bumgarner’s arbitration years. He doesn’t think Bumgarner is the type of person who would “take it personally”. Matt Cain is the focus right now and Schulman doesn’t think the Giants will work out a deal with Bumgarner before Cain and Lincecum.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=cSAySWgGzqcq8IGeSGhvZr1xorxYtIxk
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
I think Zito should start his wind-up at second base, run forward screaming and flailing his arms, and then throw while jumping off the pitching rubber.
It could work.
Ask me about my blog.
by xanthan on Feb 21, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Unfortunately this delivery was prohibited in 1901.
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
rec
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Like the cirque du soleil first pitch at Petco?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You can get a lot of forward velocity without straining the arm by doing a front flip.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
Baggs also says there is still too much money left on Zito’s contract for the Giants to "eat" it this year.
Because allowing him to stink up the mound makes way more sense.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
He pitched well at the start of last year. Then he had injury problems. I don’t mind seeing what he has to offer to start out this year. I do think if he sucks though that there is a real probability of a DFA by mid-season.
He had a bad year last year due to injuries and a bad year in 2008.
Otherwise, he has been a decent 5th start (1.5 rWAR in 2007, 2.0 in 2009, 1.5 in 2010).
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Oh
Baggs says the Matt Cain extension deal isn’t close to being done.
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
it's not gonna happen
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
GOLD STANDARD!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
BUY GOLD STANDARD PITCHING NOW. TEH VALUE ONLY GOES UP!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
/whisper
…good.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think I've settled on the opinion
That I want them to keep one but not both.
Worst case scenario is that it is a Zitoian disaster. We were able to absorb that deal and win a world series. And maybe we stop signing Aaron Rowand’s and at least maintain some flexibility
Two albatrosses on the other hand..
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
I’d almost certainly keep Cain over Lincecum given the respective contracts they’re likely to receive.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Here's a question
Money equal, who do you want?
Essentially, do you think Lincecum’s decline is real and irreversible?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Real: yes.
Irreversible, no.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Money equal?
Lincecum and I don’t think it’s close
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
I think I'd take Lincecum too
But they’ve basically been worth the same fWAR for the past two years.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Right
I just think Lincecum could give someone another season or more of 7 to 8 fWAR.
I don’t think Cain ever can.
Proud Papa of right-hander Clayton Blackburn whose pro debut made him look like one of the steals of the 2012 draft, as he allowed just six runs in 33 1/3 innings in the rookie-level Arizona League. Signed by Giants area scout (and former big leaguer) Dan Murray in the 16th round, Blackburn would touch 94-95 mph, sitting in the low 90s, with good feel for locating the pitch, and both his curveball and changeup project as above-average pitches.
yeah if money is equal
then Lincecum for sure. But I think right now Lincecum is more likely to be paid like his 08-09 numbers suggest he should be.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Tough question
I’d agree with DFA in that it’s Lincecum and not even close except I feel like Cain may never ever miss a start. Dude’s a horse.
Dude’s a horse.
Are there equine provisions in the new CBA?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
It’s going to be hard letting go of Cain. We’ve known him since he was a young kid, watched him get married and have a kid. He’s almost become an extended family member for a lot of people.
That being said, if money was equal then you have to go with Timmy.
I want them both because I like watching them both and if I can’t have them both then I will be emotionally downtrodden until the next batch of players comes along who I want to keep but can’t because of reasons that I selectively don’t care about.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
A young top-20 pitcher in baseball is willing to give you a hometown discount and you show little interest in re-signing him. Yeah, that’s the smart thing to do.
I can see it now: the team is 5 games back at the All-Star break with one of the worst offenses in baseball. Fans are screaming for Sabean to get a hitter, and he gives it to them by trading Cain. And McCovey Chronicles organizes its first-ever Jump off the Golden Gate meet-up.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think “show little interest in re-signing him” is a good way to put it. From all we’ve heard, they’ve been in discussions with him about it for months.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That was probably overstating it, but if you’re stating that you can’t get offensive pieces because you’re going to lock up your pitching, and said free-agent-to-be pitcher goes on record saying he’d take a hometown discount, and then you go all offseason without getting a deal done, it sure seems like there’s a lack of urgency for something that’s supposedly so important.
And that was the longest run-on sentence ever.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 21, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Did I miss the part where Cain was offering a home-town discount?
"Most decisions get made by time and space.." Brian Sabean
Baggerly suggested that it's been reported by someone...can't remember who
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by UnleashTheGore on Feb 21, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
MLBTR said that Cain “badly” wants to stay with the Giants.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
We can hope it’s true, but so far this just looks like standard negotiation dialogue.
/sigh
"Most decisions get made by time and space.." Brian Sabean
Well, it would be dumb of Cain to be sighing wistfully about San Francisco in every interview. That he’s staying mum about it is better than what’s going on with Hamels in Philly.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Baggs says he and Schulman think the interview Brian Wilson had with them yesterday was one of the most "subdued" he’s had. Wilson seems "very focused on getting back to where he needs to be" and isn’t partaking in the kind of antics he did last spring. He wants to be the "guy everyone can count on".
Schulman believes Wilson was "embarrassed" he couldn’t pitch at the end of last season. He thinks Wilson decided he needed to put aside extra non-baseball stuff until he can return to pitching form.
You know what? I don’t think his about Wilson. I think he’s a savvy guy. I think he knows where his market value is. I think he’s run a pretty extraordinary and carefully constructed self-marketing campaign for a few years now. I think that before he was ever successful, he never did anything like the beard or the public non sequiturs. I think that he knows when he’s in a position to push his project and when he needs to back off. I think we saw him backing off already last year.
Now that it’s here, the beard’s not going anywhere—at least not until he needs a new mascot. It’s the keystone of his campaign. But the antics have always gone away when he’s not performing. They have, because he knows when he can and can’t get away with it.
He’s not subdued right now because he was embarrassed about his performance last season. He’s subdued right now because he can’t get away with being a sideshow. Any additional attention he brings to himself is attention he brings to his arm, and that’s a problem for him.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Correct
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
+2
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Agreed.
I remember something in Ball Four about how you can say/do whatever you want as long as you perform but you could be the best person in the world and nobody would give a shit if you weren’t hitting.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
If you read any interviews or articles about him before 2010, you’d see that he was pretty much the same person then as he is now. It’s just that the volume has been turned up.
Well, I think it’s fair to say that he’s always had it in him. I just think he’s very aware about when to turn it up and when to turn it down. Right now, he needs to have it turned way down, and he pretty much does.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm bummed I missed the Melky projection thread (whipping cream!),
but this is easily a top 5 Simpsons episode of all-time. Or, as CalBear and wcw probably said upthread, it’s one of the most overrated, humorless, worst episodes of television ever created.
reading sullivan on baseball nation
saw this
this is going to be rowands ab versus romo
but without the hit and run
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions
Poor guy
I’m sure there was a hit and run called, and coach said YOU MUST SWING.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah
The Pill and Rowand swings were way worse than this.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
this is why hit and runs are dumb
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
from sullivan
Jonathan Herrera finished with a contact rate of 88.4 percent. Teammate Troy Tulowitzki finished with a contact rate of 88.5 percent. Were it not for this botched hit-and-run, Herrera would’ve finished with a contact rate of 88.6 percent. I like to think the two made a preseason wager and this play is why Jonathan Herrera had to spend all offseason weeding Tulowitzki’s yard in the same pair of children’s overalls.
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
How is this not BREAKING!?
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
for those of you who dont read baseball nation
these articles were awesome and are worth a read
10 worst pitches of the 2011 season
10 worst swings of the 2011 season
though they have nothing on grants power rankings of course
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Posting style of the day!
Be sure to use number bullets.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:13 AM PST reply actions
Don't expect any big ticket items this offseason
Because the Giants need to take care of their gold standard pitching staff.
(Except, not really…)
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 AM PST reply actions
Panic will ensue if Cain isn’t signed to an extension before the regular season starts.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
How has nobody shared this yet?
Henry Schulman @hankschulman Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
My Twitpic of Freddy Sanchez’s arrival. lockerz.com/s/185886906
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
/needs more shots of Ratto
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
he didnt bring the wide angle lense
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I thought Timmy was the stopper.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This was pretty funny on Hank's part
As i’m relatively certain it’s a joke based on the spring training twitpics tumblr that got linked around yesterday.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah, it has to be.
I’m glad Hank is allowing himself to have a sense of humor in this instance, since that tumblr is too dumb to be legitimately upset about.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
I thought that tumblr was pretty funny at first, but then it was getting snarky about a picture of someone throwing in the bullpen and I was like, “You don’t really get the first few days of spring training, do you?”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Trying way too hard. I said it yesterday: if you have to explain why it’s funny, it’s probably not very funny.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
- 1. Wow, rarely seen image-within-a-quote. Nicely done.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I should have thought of that.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Block quote of a picture in a block quote
inception
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
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by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
That can't be Freddy
That thing holding the door is still in one piece.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Dig deeper
Adopted Alliterative Bryce Bandilla
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Feb 21, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
I’m sure glad that Hank Schulman took the time out of his busy writing schedule to go above and beyond by posting that image from Spring Training on Twitter.
Good job, Hank.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
On a second reading, that doesn’t work as well as I thought it did.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
o good
CSNBaggs Tim Lincecum is off his usual schedule. He threw early, and not for long, with trainer Dave Groeschner watching. Will follow up.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
PANIC
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Let hope he’s just fighting off Vogey’s flu.
"Most decisions get made by time and space.." Brian Sabean
FLU PANIC!!!!
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Adopted parent of Nate Schierholtz: The Greatest Fear of All Chinese Catchers
The injury bug from last season is finally spreading to the rotation!
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Feb 21, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
NO NEED FOR OFFENSE!!
THE PITCHING WILL PERFORM EXACTLY AS LAST YEAR!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have pitching and defense
then score any runs at all. I’m only interested in watching half a baseball game with any interest, and could care less if my team comes out victorious in the end.
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"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Yusmeiro Petit: dingerz.exe
Mayor of Smug.
LOL
Told you guys Cain would be the better choice
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Is this where we freak out?
Noooooo!
by rpm164 on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
it begins
hankschulman Definitely seems to be something up with Timmy. Will try to get straight story. Won’t speculate on why he isn’t throwing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’ll really hoping this is simply the universe evening out the 20 minutes we spent celebrating bidding on that Japanese shortstop.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
it appears to be
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Thank the Seven.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Which Giants would best represent the 7 gods of Westeros? Or even the others (R’holler, Drowned God, etc…).
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Cain is probably the Mother.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It’s okay, guys. We’ll just move Zito up in the rotation and call up Surkamp. And if Vogelsong’s back remains a problem, well, we have a Runzler for that.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Is this where I come to freak out?
Is this where I come to freak out?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
David B. Flemming is Diamond Certified.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 21, 2012 9:47 AM PST reply actions
Get in line
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Feb 21, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
SHIT!!!!!
hankschulman Definitely seems to be something up with Timmy. Will try to get straight story. Won’t speculate on why he isn’t throwing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
wait
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
wrong tweet
hankschulman Back stiffness for Timmy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh, that's miles better than shoulder or elbow though.
Did he get that from Vogelsong or something?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Too much freaky freaky with the Scottsdale floozies!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
There are no floozies in Scottsdale…they are all in Tempe.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive father of Enmanuel de Jesus.
by bigboneded on Feb 21, 2012 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
CLEAT CHASERS!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Feb 21, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
You know...
This could be a case of too many ribs for Lincecum. He should definitely contact Lowry for treatment recommendations.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
i like to pretend that noah would have become cole hamels
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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Proud parent of Seth Rosin: Couldn't throw an intentional walk if he wanted to
by operation carrot on Feb 21, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Back pain
It’s totally the in injury right now.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
/strained oblique haz a sad
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive father of Enmanuel de Jesus.
by bigboneded on Feb 21, 2012 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad the freakout is over, but it's always good to remember
by Every6thDay on Feb 21, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
well that freakout lasted about 12 minutes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Not even as long as the Nakajima Panic.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Yusmeiro Petit: dingerz.exe
Mayor of Smug.
I like coming to a thread late, finding a freakout, not scrolling down to see if it was resolved, freaking out, and then finding the resolution only after participating. It’s like I was here when it was happening, except only from my perspective.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Feb 21, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Theory of Relativity FTW
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive father of Enmanuel de Jesus.
by bigboneded on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Giants pitchers need housecarls
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Feb 21, 2012 9:58 AM PST reply actions
That's why they re-signed Eli.
Andrew Susac models himself after Buster Posey: Throwin' darts and breakin' hearts.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
I sacrificed my first one to Boethia
The next one I gave to Delphine
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive father of Enmanuel de Jesus.
by bigboneded on Feb 21, 2012 10:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
LOL Bochy...
I just watched the episode again for the hell of it and giggled when Mr. Burns pinch hit Homer for Straw because of the lefty/righty matchup…
You wonder if Boch would have pinch hit for Bonds facing a lefty…
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
LOL TIMMY FREAKOUT!
ST freakouts are the best.
I also need to point out that Tyrion is a badass. In my reread, he just pwned the fuck out of Maester Pycelle.
Proud parent of Gregor Blanco, the Mountain that Walks, MVP of the VWL.
He's my favorite.
Dude knows all about singer’s stew.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I will forever love Homer at the Bat
For introducing me to Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown, perhaps the greatest nickname in the history of baseball.
by vibratingsheep on Feb 21, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions
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