2012 MLB Draft Snapshot – College Left Handed Pitchers
There will be a lot of change between now and the draft (June 4-6) but it is less than 5 months away now. I thought I’d crib a baker’s dozen of likely suspects and muse a bit on how that pertains to the Giants. As the season plays out names will be added and dropped, this is extremely preliminary. My ranking order should be taken with an ounce of salt.
(Mistakes are all mine; corrections, omissions and arguments are encouraged.)
So moving from the high risk high reward of High School lefties to the College lefties was kind of a shock. While there may be some movement during the season, at the moment there is only one college lefty even remotely near the first round: Brian Johnson of Florida. There are some interesting arms that I’m sure the Giants will look at in the later rounds, but there is only one blue chip lefty in this class. I would say that is one indication of why analysts are saying this is a weak college class.
I left up my lefty number crunch minus some verbiage: 178 Lefties pitched in the Majors last year. If you cut the requirement to 30 innings you have 104 pitchers. 30 starters pitched more than 150 innings. 14 hit the 200 inning mark, if you give Derek Holland a nudge. If you sort by K/BB ratio you find the top lefties in the game very quickly: Cliff Lee, Clayton Kershaw, Cole Hamels, our own Madison Bumgarner, CC Sabathia and David Price. Having a stud lefty is a huge advantage in baseball.
So here is another quick snapshot analysis of recent success in drafting, this time College Lefties in the first round. Leaving out the past five years as too early to judge we have the draft years 1996-2006. In that period 20 College left handed pitchers have been selected in the top 25 picks of the 1st round. The successes to date are as follows using Baseball Reference: Barry Zito in 1999 (31.2 WAR) and Mark Mulder in 1998 (16.3 WAR). Or should we say the successes of the Oakland A’s of the early 2000s were the result of some nice 1st round drafting? Nah, man, that was all Scott Hatteberg. He converted to 1B, you see, and then he hit this home run, it was awesome.
There are some more values though, they are: Eric Milton in 1996 (13.9 WAR), Ricky Romero in 2005 (11.3 WAR), Joe Saunders in 2002 (10.7 WAR), Paul Maholm in 2002 (10.2 WAR), Matt Thornton in 1998 (9.4 WAR) and Jeff Francis in 2002 (7.9 WAR). 6 pitchers total, a lot of these guys are still pitching. In fact, the Giants might have done well to pick up Francis or Maholm for when the leader in category falters. But I digress. 8 out of 20 turning out is pretty good odds. Not much spectacular pitching though. I am not sure if this is a trend of perhaps teams drafting safer, less upside back of the rotation types with the college lefties.
If you expand the parameter to the entire first round with supplemental picks you get 37 College Pitchers and the only additional lefty who turned out was… sad bagpipe drumroll… Noah Lowry in 2001 (8.3 WAR). 30th pick of the draft. It is worth noting that some of the supplemental picks are pretty far back, some years they are solidly in what might be the 2nd round most years, so the failure rate should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt. So a total of 9 hits out of 37 picked in the entire first and supplemental rounds, but a pretty nice 40% success rate on the top 25 picks, but not anywhere near the top pitchers in baseball (4 of the 6 listed above were HS 1st round draft picks, David Price being the 1st pick of the 2007 draft out of Vanderbilt, Cliff Lee was picked by the Expos in the 4th round of the 2000 draft, 105th overall out of Arkansas). I should have made a top ten lefties list but I was focusing more on Aces.
Useless stat: the Tucker/Benitez punt draft pick years of 2004/5, the Royals and the Marlins both took lefties with the Giants forfeited pick. They both busted, as did the supplemental the Marlins got for Benitez (also a HS lefty). Nothing good comes of cheaply earned gift horses I guess.
Onto our system, didn’t change anything from HS Lefty Snapshot:
Big Giant Starters: Madison Bumgarner, Barry Zito
Big Giant Pen: Jeremy Affeldt, Javier Lopez, possibly Dreamy Dan Runzler
Little Giant Starters: Eric Surkamp (Fresno), Mike Kickham (San Jose), Josh Osich (TBD – and eagerly anticipated), Adalberto Mejia (Scottsdale/Salem with a shot at Augusta), Emmanuel De Jesus (Scottsdale/Salem)
Little Giant Pen: Recent draft pick and fireballer Bryce Bandilla, David Quinwoski (Richmond/Fresno), Jack Snodgrass (Augusta/San Jose)
Surkamp is currently the first option if/when Zito falters. Runzler may be given one more chance at starting, or be the last arm in the pen. There is a general perception you can just grab any lefty off the scrap heap and plug them in to the pen. Having looked at the scarcity across MLB, I am not sure I agree with that idea. Lefties are always going to be in demand, and given the extra rope, and allowed the extra frustration that comes with them, the biggest issue usually being control.
College Lefties:
Top Pitching Prospect: Brian Johnson
12 More College Guys:
Andrew Heaney, Lex Rutledge, Brett Mooneyham, Justin Jones, Alex Wood, Hoby Milner, Sam Selman, Stephen Rodriguez, Matt Boyd, Brian Holmes, Michael Roth, Jordan Remer
1. Brian Johnson Florida
6’3 225 L/L 12/07/1990
The Goods: Very interesting 2-way player. He has some of the best raw power in the entire draft, hitting from the left side. He also profiles as a mid-rotation lefty with a big frame, an innings eater type with the hitting bonus. A vet of Team USA and a big intangible for a very high octane Florida squad, this guy needs a serious look for sure. On the batting side, he has Ryan Howard comps, he hit 3 HRs for Team USA in 4 games. This guy definitely is a multi-tasker, he pitched games on the Cape in addition to the CWS and the national team. On the pitching side he has a 3/4 delivery with good sink. 4 pitches, a fastball, slider, change up and curve. I believe the first 3 are rated as plus pitches. Fastball goes up to 92, so he’s not fireballing but has an advanced feel for the plate and is aggressive with hitters.
The Bad: Is middle of the rotation projection bad? Scouts and reviews seem very split down the middle on which way he should go, slightly leaning towards pitching. Here is the rub: he most likely won’t be there. Beware the team that drafted him in the 27th round back in 2009. You know who it is, even before I tell you.
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 8-3, 3.62 ERA in 15 starts, 79 IP, 72Ks/15 BBS 1.17 WHIP
The Rank: BA #8, Mayo #15
The Giants: If this guy falls, I would be pretty darn happy. You can multitask the win-now get a college bat/pitcher going, you avoid the HS bonus demands and risk involved, and even though there seems to be a lower ceiling, there is a pretty high floor. The rub: the Damn Dodgers pick 18th. Maybe they have other needs, but I see them looking at exactly the same guys as us and getting first dibs.
2. Andrew Heaney, Junior from Oklahoma State
6’2 175 L/L 06/05/1991
The Goods: Wiry guy with an advanced pitching tool. He alters his look, so he has some deception, including dropping his arm to lefties. Fastball, changeup, and a curve that is an out pitch. Fastball gets to low 90s, and he has good sink.
The Bad: Durability concerns due to being skinny. He dropped due to bonus concerns in the 2009 draft. The deception sometimes crosses him up, he has some rough patches. He isn’t a high K pitcher yet.
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 67 IP, 4.03 ERA, 51K/23BB.
The Rank: BA #45, Mayo #45
The Giants: Heaney most likely won’t make it into the 1st round but some team will snag him in the supplemental. I don’t see him falling too far. If he does, they could take a look in the 2nd. He seems to be a prep guy who was hyped and hasn’t filled in that potential yet. With lefties, patience can pay off or just be immensely frustrating for long periods of time. Take a shot?
3. Lex Rutledge, Sophomore from Samford
6’1 185 L/L 6/28/1991
The Goods: Coming hard, straight out of Tupelo Mississippi. Reliever with some hot stuff, reaches 90-94 out of the pen, dials it back down with starting, where he struggled a bit. Big time prep prospect can miss bats. Did well in the Cape.
The Bad: He’s only a sophomore, he profiles out of the pen right now, and he’s wild.
The Stats: College websites suck with the stat profiles. He led the team with 79 Ks, had an ERA of 3.71 and held opponents to a .220 BA against.
The Rank: BA #48, Mayo N/R
The Giants: Can’t see them going after a guy like this with eligibility leverage. Seems like he’ll stretch out another year, see about starting some more. They do love guys who prove out at the cape though, and also love themselves some strikeout pitchers.
4. Brett Mooneyham, Red Shirt Junior from Stanford
6’5 215 L/L
The Goods: Atwater CA native who’s pop got drafted 4 times, eventually signing with the Angels as a first rounder and played for the A’s in 1986. He had to have finger surgery and missed last year. He will pair up with potential number 1 pick Mark Appel and most likely dominate the Pac12 this year. Big frame, he has a high 80s/low 90s fastball that has faded in and out from HS to college. In HS he led his team to some glory with a 0.97 ERA and 103 Ks in 58 innings.
The Bad: First, he would seem to be a tough sign. Pops looks pretty stubborn, I doubt the apple falls far from the tree. Second, you lose that year and now you’ve got all that age relative to league stuff breathing down your neck. Third, he’s got control issues. A lefty, with control issues? Come on, man!
The Stats: Put some up above, here’s the blurb from Stanford’s site: (2010) weekend starter has gone 9-10 with a 4.67 ERA over 30 games and 28 starts with two complete games ... pitched 154.1 innings with 171 strikeouts and 116 walks ... opponent batting average over two years of .226.
The Rank: BA #100, Mayo N/R
The Giants: Love projects, have to spend a lot of time at Stanford anyway, might as well see what’s up. With his frame, I’m sure they’ll look at potential but they might be scared off by velocity coming and going.
5. Justin Jones, Junior from Cal
6’2 190 L/L 1/10/1991
The Goods: Forget that Cardinal guy, lets check out a Golden Bear. Jones has the funk. Native of Oakdale, he was drafted in 09 by the White Sox in the 7th. Here were his comic book HS stats: as a senior was 10-1 with 118 strikeouts and a 0.42 ERA after going 12-0 with 124 strikeouts and a 0.40 ERA as a junior. He is an eccentric guy who fits well in Berkeley. High 80s fastball he can dial up and a great curve, which got a lot of hype in NorCal.
The Bad: Herky jerky motion most likely has scouts worried. Has his body matured as much as its going to?
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 9-6 2.93 ERA, 119 IP, 81K, came out of the pen like a hero.
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: Should be all over this guy. As the headliner of a scrappy team along with Tony Renda, it is easy to root for these guys. The Pac12 is the most easily followed by the majority of Giants fans obviously. He may not be 1st round material, but I think he is a character, and funky lefties are fun. As an aside, being a several generation native Californian who married the same, it is fun to see our Pac-10 legacy options for our children. Between great-grandparents, siblings etc I think they have six choices now.
6. Alex Wood Red Shirt Sophomore from Georgia
6’4 220 R/L 01/12/1991
The Goods: 2 way player, at 1B and hits right. Tommy John surgery accounts for the red-shirt. Good fastball in the low 90s with slider and change that could develop more. This guy pitched well against Gerritt Cole and Michael Roth, 2 of the highest profile pitchers in the NCAA. Hey, one of the reasons to love Osich is his no-hitter matched up against Trevor Bauer. Big frame, and already done with Tommy John.
The Bad: Most likely going to stay in school, but you never know with a big year. Has effort in his delivery.
The Stats: Appeared in 15 games, all starts, going 6-7 with a 4.41 ERA in 93.1 IP
The Rank: BA #75, Mayo N/R
The Giants: With our offense, maybe the new undervalued strategy is pitchers who can rake. Get er done, Sabes!
7. Hoby Milner Junior from Texas
6’2 165 L/L 1/13/1991
The Goods: Milner’s running mate is out for the year, so there will be a lot of pressure on him. He’s a soft-tossing lefty who is pretty skinny. High 80s fastball with a curve and a change, its all about location for him. Pops was a big leaguer for the Blue Jays.
The Bad: Soft tossing lefty. A buck sixty-five wet?
The Stats: Texas website has too many highlights and not enough concise stats for 2011, here is his 2010: Appeared in 18 games, including three starts, posting a 3-1 record with 31 strikeouts (12 walks) and a 1.97 ERA in 32.0 innings.
The Rank: BA #84, Mayo N/R
The Giants: Soft tossing lefties. Woody = good. Zito = not good anymore. Surkamp = we’ll find out more sooner than later. If this guy has sand than let’s do it up. As an aside, because geography and US History is fascinating to me, I really enjoy Ft. Worth. My wife’s dad grew up there and visiting was quite fun, and not quite the Texas stereotype I was expecting, although it is a big cattle town. Leftyqb6 laid down some Georgia geography and prep knowledge in the comments section that was really cool. Any Texans care to comment?
8. Matt Boyd Junior from Oregon State
6’3 215 L/L 2/2/1991
The Goods: Born in Bellevue like a certain small right handed pitcher drafted by the Giants in 2006. Most likely already got a good look with the Gints taking Susac/Osich last year. Can hit a little in HS. Played for the USA Collegiate National Team and on the cape, both well. Fastball is high 80s, topping at 90. 3/4 arm delivery and good control.
The Bad: Didn’t start last year, not sure if he will this year. He did make 2 starts in the Cape this summer. He went 0-0 with a 1.71 ERA in 21 innings, striking out 15
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 30 Games, 46 IP, 35K/11BB, 1.57 ERA, 4 saves, all in relief.
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: Have been active in OSU for the past few years. He gets good ratings from college baseball sites, I figured I would throw him up.
9. Brian Holmes Junior from Wake Forest
6’4 210 L/L 1/30/1991
The Goods: I was surprised I couldn’t find more lefties in the ACC. Anybody know of draft eligible guys I missed? This guy made the weekend rotation last year and is primed to bust out some. Georgia prepster who went to JC and then transferred to Wake. He has worked on his delivery to get better command on all pitches and angle on his breaking ball. Seems like a nice framed guy who is a hard worker and might break out this year.
The Bad: Struggles with command. In summer league he went 60 IP, 2.40 ERA with 54Ks but 31 BBs. His BA against was stellar: .166. Sounds sort of familiar actually…
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 15 games, 11 starts, 69 IP, 3.00 ERA, 68 Ks/28 BBs
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: Have a good knack for grabbing guys like this and fixing them. Or shipping them off to Kansas City when they run out of rope.
10. Stephen Rodriguez junior from Florida
6’2 225 L/L
The Goods: Also surprised about the SEC. Maybe I missed somebody again, but not a lot of lefties in this years draft. So I just went to the best program, grabbed a guy who stood out last year. He killed it against Vandy in Omaha. His nickname is Paco and he’s the King of the Cutter. Excellent. This guy looks like a great Loogy. He also throws a 2-seam fastball. Pretty good control demonstrated.
The Bad: Well, he’s a reliever now, most likely would be drafted as one. Not really first few rounds material, but he stood out.
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 4-2 1.91 ERA, 37 IP, 44Ks 12 BBs
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: Yes please. I would very much like the Giants to restock the left handed depth in the system. Not everybody can be a stud starter. Need the pen guys too.
11. Sam Selman, junior from Vanderbilt
6’3 190 L/L 11/14/90
The Goods: Had to get somebody in from Vandy. The Angels thought highly enough of him to take him in the 14th round of the 2009 draft. First off, this guys favorite band is Hootie and the Blowfish. He was five years old when “Hold My Hand” was rocking the nation. Alright, let’s do this! He threw major heat at PerfectGame, topping at 97-98. His body is maturing, apparently he showed up at about a buck fifty as a junior in high school. Throws all sorts of pitches, a fastball, slurve, 2 changeups and a spinny curve ball.
The Bad: Not a starter yet, and nowhere near a weekend starter. He had pretty good stamina from PerfectGame showcase reports, but the fill in on the body is an issue.
The Stats: From the vandy website: Went 2-4 in eight starts for Mankato in the Northwoods League posting a 3.89 ERA and fanning 46 in 41.2 innings. (Summerball)
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: This guy got a lot of attention before committing to college. He is very raw, but was mentioned in the same breath as Mathew Purke and Tyler Matzek. Dick Tidrow needs to get ahold of him and knock off all that secondary pitch nonsense. Somebody to watch this year, and who knows, maybe a project pick in the 4-8 rounds.
12. Michael Roth Senior from South Carolina
6’1 210 L/L 2/15/1990
The Goods: Tebow Time. This guy is not going to get the respect from pro scouts I don’t think. Why not? He was drafted last year in the 31st round by the Cleveland Indians, took one look and said “I think I’ll go win a third national championship instead, thank you very much” Low to mid 80s on the fastball, with a sweepy slider.
The Bad: Obviously he isn’t projected at the next level.
The Stats: National Player of the year, Captain of the 2-time defending national champions,
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: "Baseball is something I do, not who I am." This guy is an absolute character, and who knows if he even wants to play pro ball. Obviously a high IQ guy who just may not have the skills to bump up to the next level. But he’s created quite a legacy for himself.
13. Jordan Remer, Senior from USF
6’2 210 L/L March 1990
The Goods: Sleeper time, lets go local and give a shout to my brother-in-law’s alma mater: Senior at San Francisco, pride of Piedmont High, pitched out of the pen and started. His nickname is Skip. Can’t find scouting data on him.
The Bad: Upside is most likely an arm out of the pen.
The Stats: 2011 NCAA: 3-2 in 49 innings, 3.67 ERA 1.22 K per inning, 4 starts, 4 saves
The Rank: Unranked
The Giants: While they’re checking out Kyle Zimmer why not take a look. Its so close even Brian Sabean could go. Drafted last year in the 25th round by the Rangers. While middle relievers have low WAR numbers, it sure does make sense to draft them rather then go pay the going rate on the open market.
Bad News Front: Sam Stafford – Texas Senior needs shoulder surgery and is out for the year. The Yanks drafted him in the 2nd round last year, verbally committed for 400K, during physical they saw something they didn’t like, cut the offer in half. Christian Jones, Oregon Junior needs Tommy John surgery. These 2 guys were looking at the 3rd- 6th round, further hurting the depth of the college class.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I have to conclude that college lefties represent safer, lower upside organizational needs. That is what I take away from recent drafts and looking at the talent for the year’s draft. Still, taking a player in correctly judged value rounds can yield a useful piece.
Comment Starters:
Brian Johnson: hitter or pitcher? If he’s available is he a no-brainer for Los Gigantes?
What is the best college baseball conference? Is it close?
How has South Carolina dominated the past 2 years? Are they the number 1 program until Omaha no matter what?
How sad do you still get about Noah Lowry?
OK, I need to generate some big time interest in these snapshots. I’m going big next. I’m making a list of the top 12 power hitters in the draft. That is always a good spot to start dreaming. We need more POWER! AKA the first of a few posts where we can figure out all the different angles on how we won’t be getting Victor Roache. Unlike previous snapshots, I’m going to take a serious stab at ranking them. Maybe that will generate some controversy.
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For the Morbidly Curious:
2006 DET 6 Andrew Miller -4.8 WAR
2006 CLE 39 David Huff -2.9 WAR
2006 BOS 40 Kris Johnson NO MLB
2005 TOR 6 Ricky Romero 11.3 WAR
2005 HOU 24 Brian Bogusevic 1.1 WAR
2005 SDP 35 Cesar Ramos -0.4 WAR
2004 CLE 6 Jeremy Sowers 1.7 WAR
2004 MTR 13 Bill Bray 2.0 WAR
2004 TOR 16 David Purcey -0.7 WAR
2004 MIN 22 Glen Perkins 3.0 WAR
2004 FLA 27 Taylor Tankersley 0.4 WAR
2004 KCR 29 Matt Campbell NO MLB (COMP PICK FOR MFT)
2004 KCR 31 JP Howell 2.7 WAR
2004 TOR 32 Zach Jackson -0.7 WAR
2004 CWS 34 Tyler Lumsden NO MLB
2003 PIT 8 Paul Maholm 10.2 WAR
2002 COL 9 Jeff Francis 7.9 WAR
2002 LAA 12 Joe Saunders 10.7 WAR
2002 CWS 18 Royce Ring -1.0 WAR
2002 CHC 32 Luke Hagerty NO MLB
2002 ATL 34 Dan Meyer -1.5 WAR
2001 BAL 7 Chris Smith NO MLB
2001 SFG 30 Noah Lowry 8.3 WAR
2001 OAK 37 John Rheinecker -0.5 WAR
2000 NYM 16 Billy Traber -1.2 WAR
1999 OAK 9 Barry Zito 31.2 WAR
1999 BOS 48 Casey Fossum -0.9 WAR
1999 SDP 49 Mike Bynum -2.0 WAR
1998 OAK 2 Mark Mulder 16.3 WAR
1998 MIN 6 Ryan Mills NO MLB1
1998 PIT 15 Clint Johnston NO MLB
1998 SEA 22 Matt Thornton 9.4 WAR
1998 SFG 41 Jeff Urban NO MLB
1997 OAK 21 Eric DuBose 1.3 WAR
1997 CHW 46 Jim Parque 1.4 WAR
1996 NYY 20 Eric Milton 13.9 WAR
1996 TEX 32 Corey Lee -0.4 WAR
Sam Selman
I’d love to draft that guy somewhere in rounds 4-8. As you said, the perfect project for Tidrow to work on.
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this son of Cabrera.
by Lyle on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Mooneyham seems like a Sabean/Barr/Tidrow kind of pick
Once very highly thought of, huge potential, has fallen in the eyes of scouts and executives a bit, has had some injury issues. I know Dr. B loves talking about how the Giants FO loves picking that kind of guy up, and Mooneyham fits the bill in my eyes.
That scenario only works with college position players, not with when drafting pitchers. The Giants have no history of drafting college pitchers in the first several rounds who fell due to injuries or poor performances in their junior season. They do have some history of drafting injured pitchers in the mid- to late-rounds (Bochy, Wilson, and a few others). Barring another injury this year, Mooneyham won’t fit into this scenario.
Predicting which pitchers the Giants might like (outside of a top 5 pick) is pretty much a lesson in futility becasue I don’t know of anybody that has been able to figure which group of pitchers Tidrow is going ot give his stamp of approval to each year. One thing you can point to is that he likes power arms, but that’s not a very narrow grouping in any given year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The one that pops immediately to mind is Josh Osich. Sat out the 2010 season, still was projected to go in the top 50-75 before rumors of shoulder trouble at the end of his RS junior year.
Obviously that was only one example, but that’s who I thought of. Your second point is absolutely correct.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
But that example just backs up my point. The Giants didn’t draft Osich until the 6th round. There’s no way that Mooneyham lasts until even the 4th round this year unless he gets hurt again. Since shank wasn’t predicting that in his review of Mooneyham, I don’t see how you can say that he fits into a Giants type of early round draft pick.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I suppose I still put sixth round right on the edge of early rounds, when perhaps it should really be considered a mid-round pick.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
Its fun to pour over the Giants draft history looking for patterns. You have the last 4 years as “Barr drafts”, you can add in the 2 years before as Timmy/Madbum for 6 years of a different philosophy, the post-Bonds era. Or if you like to be cynical the picks Sabean couldn’t punt picks. You add the 2 years before that (2004/5) and you have the Tucker/Benitez et al giveaways, one of the worst mistakes of the Sabean era (My opinion).
Sabean took over the scouting and development in 1993 prior to the 1997 GM post, which makes for a lot of drafts run by the same guy with his finger on the button. Maybe not that first year if prep had already started, and the 3 years that followed the buck stops at Bob Quinn, but 1997-2011 is a long time. Add the scout director years and this is the 20th Giants draft for Sabean.
Tidrow’s overlap with Sabean began in 1986 when Sabean became the Yanks director of scouting and Tidrow was a special assignment scout. So with the exception of a 1-2 year gap before Sabean brought him over, these guys have been in close contact for over 25 years, 18 of those with the Giants. These 2 are as joined at the hip as you can possibly get. I picture them just grunting at each other or making mustache twirl signals to communicate.
I have a half baked theory that drafting Timmy saved Sabean’s job. The next year with the team in the tank it was getting grim on the field, Peter the Pink extended Sabean. Here’s the quote that makes sense to me:
“Also, ownership was said to be impressed with the process Sabean and his staff employed in preparing for the amateur draft last month in which the Giants had three first-round and three compensatory-round picks.
There are no guarantees the contract extension talks between the Giants and Sabean will result in an agreement. Sabean has stated publicly that he wants to return. However, he has been frustrated at times by ownership’s involvement in player personnel decisions and might seek assurances of more autonomy."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/11/GIANTS.TMP#ixzz1mSoXXD1c
Unfortunately there never seems to be a clean break with ownership so you have a gray muddled area where ownership player decisions or controlling of the pursestrings might pour over onto Sabean’s overall record. I give him full credit for the past six drafts even if Tidrow and Barr are running it, and I give him full blame for bonehead free agent signings with not enough due diligence. Sure Zito might have been ownership directed but I’m not convinced with Rowand, because he fits a pattern that was established with earlier bonehead signings – Alfonso and Benitez in particular. Thankfully these contracts have almost run their course.
The big name international signings don’t look like they’re turning out so well at the moment, but the book isn’t shut on that yet. I’m glad the G’s have a new spread the money, sign more under the radar strategy.
While there is definitely some patterns with the Giants drafts I also think they have a reputation for secrecy and unpredictability. And whoops, that got very longwinded fast. One thing I have to be careful of when I look at past trades/signings/drafts is evaluating it from what was going on at THAT moment versus a historical analysis of how the move turned out. The AJ/Nathan trade was not panned widely at the time for example. But I remember the Michael Tucker punt very well and remember even at that moment it made no sense at all. Your farm system is your life blood.
Brian Johnson
I’ve seen him play a lot the last 2 years, and I wouldn’t draft him at #20. To me, he seems destined to be one of those tweener guys that will never be a productive star as a pitcher or a hitter. If I had a vote, I would want him as a hitter – he has legit plus power – and he could develop into a decent fielding 1B if he works hard at it.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I know you’ve voiced you would prefer future potential over “win-now” type of picks as a general preference. Johnson seems to me to be that type of high floor guy who could be a good safety pick and help out sooner than later. The 20 spot is tough. The Giants could try and look for somebody who would accept underslot money to start playing right away, but that seems unlikely. I’m saying they could go maybe 33% over slot, from 1.5MM to 2MM? So there are definite limitations there as well. A guy who can come in and beef up the pitching depth or be a bat looks like a decent consideration. I guess it depends on what else is on the board.
If Fried is somehow on the board, is he worth going into Bad Selig hand over the next year’s draft pick territory? Is he a once in a decade or once every five years player?
BTW I had never noticed this, but we drafted Joe Fontenot 16th overall in the 1st round of the 1996 draft. Right before Roy Holladay.
I just think that there will be several better college and HS prospects that are better than Johnson who will still be on the board at #20, and who will be signable at close to slot.
I’d definitely take Fried at #20 if he was still there, offer him around $2.5M and then make up the cap difference by drafting and signing several underslot prospects in the next 9 rounds. I doubt that Sabes & Co. will be that sophisticated in their manipulation of the new draft rules, though. The one thing I will say is that guys like us have no idea what these HS prospects are telling the teams in terms of how much $$$ it will take to buy them out of their college commitments. Under the new rules, if the Giants have high-upside kids that are telling them that they want > $1M overslot then I really can’t fault the Giants for taking that kid out of consideration.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Speaking of Scouts
George Genovese sure did pick em, even if the Giants managed to screw the pooch royally. Maddux, Matthews, Bobby Bonds, Kingman, Barr, Chili Davis, Jack Clark, and Matt Williams.
If the Giants were to draft Justin Jones (or Tony Renda, for that matter) I’d immediately buy their jerseys. No, I wouldn’t wait for the contract to be signed. No, I wouldn’t wait for the Giants to actually manufacture the jerseys.
Dunno if I’ll get to see him pitch much this year since he’ll presumably be the Friday night starter and I can only make weekend games. Alas!
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I am completely with you on this. I’m sure Fla-Giant has sound reasons why they should be ignored, but I’m a sucker for scrappy play and Cal Bears.
Don’t interpret my silence on any of these prospects that you’re profiling to mean that I don’t like them. Rather, it just means that I don’t know enough about them to offer anything constructive at this time. For all I know right now, I could be huge fans of Jones and/or Renda by the time I finish the majority of my draft research in May.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Just a quick kid. I have a couple of guys – mainly LSU commits it seems so far – that jumped out at me for intangible reasons. I’m using this as a fun exercise to look at the Giants depth, familiarize myself more with some of the players in the draft, and work on my writing.
I love scrappy middle infielders. Not as much as 5-tool OFs though.

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