2012 Adoption Draft: Who's In?
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 11, 2012 1:13 PM PST
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PrintWe're almost there! This is our sign-up thread. EVEN IF YOU SAID YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE BEFORE, PLEASE COMMENT HERE. It makes it easier for me, nvsfg, and Merope if we can just keep this kind of thing all in one place. Also, please calculate your draft points and put that in your comment. The formula we have decided on is: draft points=#comments + (20*#months of membership) + (35*#of FanPosts/FanShots). All of those are for McCovey Chronicles only, not SBN. We'll leave the window open for 5 days to make sure that everyone who wants to participate can. The draft will start sometime next week; most likely Friday.
So, to reiterate: comment on this post if you want to participate in the adoption thread, and include your draft points according to the formula above so we can build a draft order.
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30 fanposts is only about 1000 points, sadly.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I guess you're right.
But I thought starting posts was supposed to weigh more. People who just say LOL to every Natto post will have more than the McCoven Newcomer Award Winner.
2012 is going to be awesome!
Not to mention 250 STFU’s for Lincecum every year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
there ought to be a way to figure in other crap too. People organize minor league get togethers, Natto did the brick thing, fp’s organizing this mess.
I mean yeah, I do the McCoven and McCovey’s thing, but I doubt I’ll change my draft dude. I mean I adopted him, and that very year TSFGWTWS so…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm in.
I have 18,920 draft points.
(Where it says “FanPosts/FanShots” in the equation, I assumed we were counting our total number of both. If that is not correct, I can recalculate.)
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
That is correct. Combine them, and then multiply by 35.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 11, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I tweetled a link to this fanpast, hopefully it’ll get passed around, I don’t exactly have a bizillion – or even 20 – followers.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm in
30,804 is my number of points, if I did the math right.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
"Ask GiantPain about my penis" - Billy Beane
Mayor of Smug.
Wait, I was wrong. I think it should be 31,804.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
"Ask GiantPain about my penis" - Billy Beane
Mayor of Smug.
RECOUNT
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I'm in
but I changed my name last year :(
36,722 points as Calbearjd/Calbear949
12,117 points as Calbear949
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Hey, some people go to a bar and hang out every night, some people are here. And let’s face it during the offseason anyway being here is better for your liver.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm in this thing.
31,541 points, though about 26000 of those comments are me shouting “NO U!” at someone.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Wow, I thought I had a lot of points, but you people are putting me to shame.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
you have a life.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I'm shameful
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
You're doing fine
….you have been here 23 months less than I have, and you have nearly 8K comments more than I do.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
K, i just threw Jarrett Parker back out into the draft, so anybody can draft him, i'll get back into the draft this year
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
go for it! I still got confidence in him
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Definitely hope he gets the holes in his swing fixed
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I probably don’t have enough points. :( I have my eye on a couple of others, though.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
i'll make a trade if i get him back :)
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
YOU GOT JARRETT PARKER WITH POINTS?!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
My number will be on the low side, so I'm refusing to covet anyone until my name is called.
I might need to consult with kdl when the time comes.
2012 is going to be awesome!
48,780? that possible?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Did you count just MCC comments?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
FUCK
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
You're still good
you have 45,000+ comments on McC
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I'm getting 46,815.
Or thereabouts.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
yea... 46,755
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I'm keeping my son, so I am not in the draft, but for reference..
I’m at 9,784 in 54 months. or a ratio of just over 181 comments a month.
Conversely, PiKA has 46, 020 in 30 months or a ratio of 1,534 comments a month.
I am so ashamed.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
lol, i have no life though
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I don't understand all this
but I would like to adopt Pedro Feliz, plz
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I'm in... Throwing Kruk back
3932 comments as DFAAurillia
21336 comments as DFARowand
20*32= 640
0 fanshots/fanposts
So my number is.. 25,908
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
How many posts as DFAZito? Oops, did I just let the cat out of the bag on your new username?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
DFAZito has already been stolen unfortunately
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
So, I’m not as clever as I thought.
How about DFAHuff?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Leaders in the clubhouse
Sabean
Bochy
Huff
Burriss
Theriot
Pill
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I'm in
Looks like I have 15,916 points. Pretty light considering how long I’ve been hanging around this place.
I'm in it to win it
We’re neck-and-neck. If only I had posted an extra 9 comments every month I’ve been a member.
15641 points
I knew I would end up regretting not breaking up my daily winter league updates this offseason into separate fanposts each day – LOL. That would have netted me an easy extra 3,000+ points.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I'm fairly close to both of you.
In it with 15,006 points.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I'm in
6207 draft points
The first six innings are overrated.
I get the last pick cause I won the championship last year
or cause i only have 49 points….
Get your ass out of the water you're off the team.-Murph(my high school swim coach)
/furiously posts 1750 times to get ahead
Get your ass out of the water you're off the team.-Murph(my high school swim coach)
woo-hoo, for once I won't get picked last!
(sorry Ohdecker, all in good fun!)
UGH! Math is HARD! did I do it right?
comments (not including this one)=10,633…Sept 2010= 17 months (right?) *20=340
Draft points- 10,973? :)
"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch."
"Holy shit, you geeks are badass!"
thats my punishment for lurking for 3 years
cause i was too lazy to make an account
Get your ass out of the water you're off the team.-Murph(my high school swim coach)
Me too. I almost joined during the 2010 postseason run but I was too afraid that if I joined and they lost I would think that I jinxed them or something.
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 11, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
ditto!
I think I started lurking mid-season 2010, I was feeling terribly homesick and reading Grant’s articles did wonders because I could tell he was a fan, not just a journalist working for the llama overlords. But it was the comments that got me to jump in- the cake v. pie debates, the Doctor Who talk, the gifs, the game winning Tony Bennett sing-alongs, these were my kind of people! oh, and the giants baseball of course! ;)
I usually return to lurker status in the off season tho, I’m allergic to stats lol
"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch."
"Holy shit, you geeks are badass!"
I love this comment
I almost joined during the 2010 postseason run but I was too afraid that if I joined and they lost I would think that I jinxed them
A true Giant fan
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Same here
I’ve been reading Grant since 2008, lurking in the comments since 2009 (I didn’t care what y’all had to say the first year!) and finally came out of my shell and made an account last April.
Ironically, it was the Game of Thrones discussions last year that made me finally sign up lol.
How the hell did you surpass me?? o_o
Oh wait…I’ve been AWOL this past year LOLMe
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
I'm in
I have 23,154 points
Read Me At: Twitter/Giants Nirvana
by Gobroks on Feb 11, 2012 3:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure I did the math right
14984
and interested
Do I get bonus points
for being the least active regular on here: 1326 points – yikes!
Oh well, please save some scraps for me at the bottom of the draft.
Good luck Chris Gloor - sucks you got injured last year.
by crazedcrustacean on Feb 11, 2012 4:04 PM PST reply actions
I have a suggestion for you but there’s no place here to whisper.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You could say it on FtF if you wanted.
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 11, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
good idea, maybe tomorrow during the gdt so it won’t be too obvious. It’s not a particularly good idea, but I don’t want some bozo to steal it!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
lol. Fair enough. I am super curious now!
by WhatsAMataHari on Feb 11, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t particularly have a dog in this fight, but I think the coefficients for the months and the Fanposts/Fanshots—the latter in particular—is really underweighting their importance relative to comments. If I had to ballpark it, I think it’d be something more like 40 * months + 35 * Fanshots + 75 * Fanposts. The Fanposts are where a lot of interesting non-Grant discussion happens, and that takes significantly more thought and time than me typing “LOL CAL” or some such.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I suggested changing the fanpost/fanshot weighting to 5o in the rules thread, but nobody backed me up. That being said, I think it’s too late to change anything now due to inertia. We can try again next year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah, I missed the rules thread. I think without seeing people post their numbers, it’s a little abstract and difficult to judge. But there’s no way that I should have more draft points than you or Roger, for example—you guys are far more valuable members of the community than I am or ever will be.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I'm in this line.
Didn’t catch that suggestin until it was too late.
2,424 points for me.
Don’t think I want in the draft, though.
I will trade Vigelsong for a draft pick though.
You're fanpost bias is showing
I think you are undervaluing fanshots. There might not be a lot of comments, but I have found out/read a lot of interesting stuff that was linked to in fanshote.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 13, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
24350
But not totally sure I’m in. Depends on my draft position, I guess.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Not sure if in
78,000 posts as Howie
112,000 posts as Jponry
109,000 posts as Natto
60 months times 20 = 1200
Comes to about 300,000 points.
Does anyone know where I could find a list of available players? That will sway whether or not I want in.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
im in, throwing brandon allen back in the pool
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Feb 11, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions
32 months- 640
8 fanposts/shots- 280
2953 comments- 2953
total- 3,873
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Feb 11, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
1816 points
and waiting for that Shelter Kitten With A Bat who will get our boys to their next WS win…
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
1418 pts
joined August 2007 (54 months ago) = 1080
127 comments = 129 pts
6 fanshots = 210 pts
total = 1419 pts … i pick last
by krukkuipandclint on Feb 11, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in
I’m in.
757 points
(9084 if you use the tattoo rule)
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
Disadvantaged
I think season ticket holders are at a disadvantage, because we can’t comment on home game threads, while we are at the game. That leads to a low number of comments. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
And don’t tell me about an app for my phone. have you tried to use wifi or 3G at at&t park with 40,000 other people? LOL
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
Quitch’er bitchin’. It is what it is.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
We can never make everyone happy. Best to just stick to tradition.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Seriously. Your reward for being a season ticket holder is being a freakin’ season ticket holder. I can’t do that. Instead I get to draft high in a make-believe adoption draft. Who is in a better position, I wonder?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
by can of corn on Feb 11, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
STFD !
In your freaking season ticket seats jeremy !
/ ooohh another comment to add to my total.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Can’t we just go alphabetically by first name?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Boooooo!
Boo this person!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
We can trade, you sit in my room and post on MCC and I take your season tickets.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Feb 11, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
perfect! thanks. :) Lets set up the place and time to trade keys for tickets!
;)
Once again, I think my humor was lost on the McCovens. I was kind of mocking everyone’s hair splitting on the formula/what would be fair.
Oh well.
Let me be clear. I wasn’t bitching. I wasn’t complaining. I wasn’t asking for a change in the proccess after the rules thread had already passed. I was making a funny.
:)
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
And I was getting my post count up. :P
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Feb 13, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks. I think you are the first person here to express something positive regaurding my #12.
Everybody else has ranged from “Oh god oh God I’m Blind” to “Ehhwwwww” to “NWS… Banned”
:)
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Feb 13, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ding! Ding!
Yes! I DO have Nate's number tattoed on my ass. It's a long story.
http://www.leftymalo.com/2011/08/the_number_twelve.php
by jeremy.lassen on Feb 13, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in with 722 points...
Soooo looking for the small fish!
When I played I was a triple threat.... Stumble.... Fumble.....Grumble....
by scespy12 on Feb 11, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There was that manta ray thingy they spotted out in the cove that one time.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Maybe he can adopt the manta ray!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I’m no biologist but I guess maybe a ray isn’t technically a fish?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Wiki
Batoidea is a superorder of cartilaginous fish commonly known as rays and skates, containing more than 500 described species in thirteen families.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
In
36032 pts
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 11, 2012 7:51 PM PST reply actions
er, 35861
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 11, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Im in
4748+ (20*42=840) +(35*19=665)=
6253 total draft points
I hope thats enough to rope me rosin
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Feb 11, 2012 8:45 PM PST reply actions
As of this minute and including this comment, I have... drumroll please...
14,600 points!
Middling! At best!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 11, 2012 9:07 PM PST reply actions
I hope you like Waldyvan Estrada!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
He didn’t sign -he’s enrolled at Florida International University. Not that it would keep you from adopting him. Anybody is fair game.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I just went for the wackiest low round pick I can find. I just lucked out that Waldyvan went in the 50th round.
In my research, I found out that I personally know one of the other unsigned picks. Which was kind of weird.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Please add me
4028. Man, I’ve made a lot of comments in those GDT…
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
I'm in
8,413 points
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
i lurk
like a sunuva!
210 comments (lol)
34 months*20
8 f.p./f.s. *8
1170. fuck yea.
also, i couldnt find a post on when the draft will start. has it been set yet? aaaaand is there a reliable list of giants organization players we should refer to (like an acknowledged source)? im thinking for example when you play scrabble and you have to agree on a dictionary to use to determine whether a word counts? yea, that.
there is a list of current adoptees in the mcwiki
there’s this chart http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/2/7/2783329/san-francisco-giants-contracts-salaries-depth-chart-rosters-prospects-mlb
and there’s no requirement to take an actual player in the organization. LouSeal, the Foghorn, Crazy Crab, different members of the broadcasting team, electrical equipment and retired or deceased players have all been adopted at one time or another.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Going from the top of the org chart down, the following are available, sorted by level, and first name:
CF Angel Pagan ML
1B Angel Villalona ML
2B Charlie Culberson ML
C Chris Stewart ML
RHMR Clay Hensley ML
CL Dan Otero ML
C Eli Whiteside ML
SP6 Eric Surkamp ML
RHSU Hector Correa ML
LHSU Jeremy Affeldt ML
LF Melky Cabrera ML
UTL Ryan Theriot ML
RHSU Guillermo Mota FA
LHMR Aaron King AAA
SP2 Andrew Kown AAA
3B Bill Hall AAA
SPS Boof Bonser AAA
SP6 Brian Burres AAA
3B Brock Bond AAA
RHSU Craig Whitaker AAA
SP7 Eric Hacker AAA
LHSU Geno Espineli AAA
UTL Gil Velazquez AAA
RF Gregor Blanco AAA
SP5 Jason Stevenson AAA
RHSU Jean Machi AAA
UTL Joaquin Arias AAA
3B Jose Cuevas AAA
LHSU Justin Dowdy AAA
2B Kaohi Downing AAA
SP1 Matt Yourkin AAA
RHSU Matthew Sartor AAA
RHMR Osiris Matos AAA
RHSU Ronnie Ray AAA
OF Ryan Honeycutt AAA
RHSU Scott Munter AAA
3B Stephen Yarrow AAA
C Tyler LaTorre AAA
SPS Yusmeiro Petit AAA
C Aaron Lowenstein AA
1B Andy D’Alessio AA
SPS Austin Fleet AA
3B Brad Boyer AA
SP4 Chuck Lofgren AA
SP2 Craig Clark AA
LHSU David Quinowski AA
RHMR Drew Bowlin AA
C Jackson Williams AA
SP3 Jason Stevenson AA
RF Mike McBryde AA
RHSU Mitch Lively AA
UTL Ryan Lormand AA
OF Skyler Stromsmoe AA
1B Wes Hodges AA
LHMR Wilmin Rodriguez AA
RHSU Addison Proszek A+
C Alex Burg A+
SP5 Andy Reichard A+
LHSU Ari Ronick A+
SS Carter Jurica A+
LHSU Chris Gloor A+
SP2 Chris Heston A+
RHMR Chris Wilson A+
SP3 Craig Westcott A+
RHSU Edwin Quirarte A+
CF Gary Brown A+
RHSU Jacob Dunnington A+
CL Jake Dunning A+
LF James Simmons A+
RF Jarrett Parker A+
3B Jose Flores A+
UTL Juan Ciriaco A+
SP1 Kelvin Marte A+
1B Luke Anders A+
LHMR Tom Vessella A+
SP4 Brandon Allen A-
RHSU Brennan Flick A-
CF Brett Krill A-
LHSU Brian Maloney A-
1B Brice Cutspec A-
SP1 Cameron Lamb A-
LF Charles Jones A-
CL Cody Hall A-
DH Daniel Brock A-
3B Garrett Buechele A-
LHMR Jack Snodgrass A-
RF Jesus Galindo A-
SS Joe Panik A-
UTL John Eshleman A-
2B Julio Izturis A-
OF Leonardo Ochoa A-
SP2 Lorenzo Mendoza A-
C Mike Murray A-
SP6 Paul Davis A-
LHSU Phil McCormick A-
RHMR Rafael Martinez A-
SP3 Reinier Roibal A-
OF Shawn Payne A-
SPS Stephen Shackleford A-
RHSU Wilber Bucardo A-
3B Adam Duvall A
RHSU Andrew Berger A
1B Ben Thomas A
UTL Bobby Haney A
OF Dan Cook A
LF Devin Harris A
RHSU Edward Concepcion A
C Eliezer Zambrano?? Is this Alonso? if so, he’s drafted A
LHMR Gaspar Santiago A
C Jeff Arnold A
SS Joel Weeks A
RHSU Jose Valdez A
1B Josh Mazzola A
UTL Kelby Tomlinson A
RHMR Luis Rojas A
SPS Mario Rodriguez A
OF Michael Mergenthaler A
LHSU Phil McCormick A
OF Raynor Campbell A
SP5 Ryan Bradley A
OF Ryan Lollis A
1B Ryan Scoma A
SP4 Seth Rosin A
SP2 Shawn Sanford A
SP1 Taylor Rogers A
CEO Andrew Stuebner
MGR Andy Skeels
GM Bill Papierniak
PCO Brian Cooper
CEO Chuck Domino
MGR Dave Machemer
GM Garret Fahrmann
HCO Gary Davenport
HCO Hensley Meulens
PCO Jerry Cram
CEO Jim Weyermann
HCO Jose Flores
HCO Ken Joyce
MGR Lipso Nava
GM Mark Wilson
GM Nick Brown
PCO Pat Rice
HCO Ricky Ward
PCO Ross Grimsley
HCO Russ Morman
PCO Steve Kline
3BCO Tim Flannery
MGR Tom Trebelhorn
Bill Hall now a Yankee
He signed a minor league deal last week.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Hmm
I drafted Mota last year…Don’t post much but being overlooked makes me sad in my pants.
guillermo mota: adopted for his veteran relieving savvy
That’s the worst kind of sad.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Feb 16, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I looked through the 2011 Draft Thread and did not see your name/draft request.
Are you sure it was confirmed ? If you want to participate in this one, please reply below.
Your “score” for the draft order would be 1387
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
In with 8,828 draft points
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Pilates.
In hibernation 'til Spring Training.
by rightcenterfielder on Feb 12, 2012 12:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Pilates.
-Akinori Iwamura, with unfortunately stereotyped accent transliteration.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Pilates.
-Herod, blaming the popular unrest on his deal with Salome
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Pilates.
-Jim Bouton, into Dragon™ Speech Recognition Software.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Pilates.
-Indiana Jones, as he inflates the life raft.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been slackin’ for the last year and a half or so. If only I’d stuck with the Piletas.
-María del Milagro París, in early 1983
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Let me know when these get funny.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
by can of corn on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Feb 12, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in. I thought mine was really big till I saw everyone else's
I have 11, 618 points. Can I buy extra points like I can with my airline frequent flyer miles when I come up short?
TWHS
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
In
8956 points. I drafted something like fifth overall last year. How did that happen? Guess everyone kept their adoptees coming off a WS win.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Probably
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Oh shit, I beat almost all of you
28200 comments + 60.58 months × 20 + 21 posts × 35 = 30146.6 points
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Are you participating?
Or just bragging?
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 12, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
And just a little bit of the latter I'm guessing...
/ crap..I probably just put myself on one of EP’s lists. :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'm in
I have 3742 points.
I'm just a simple Niners fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Feb 12, 2012 2:51 PM PST reply actions
Yeah sure, why not. I'm in.
10655 points, give or take a comment
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
In it to win it!
Only 3,281 pts though – I blame this on my job change that led to less time spent on here.
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
lets start this shit
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Feb 12, 2012 6:47 PM PST reply actions
I am in
dropping Medders, hoping for someone still with the organization.
6887 points.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
Count me in
to the tune of 19,932 drafties.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
1006 draft points, counting this comment I just added.
Always analyzing the stats... don't care about scouts.
mental breakdown
416 comments, 26 months (dec 2009… might be 25 months tbph, 520 points or 500 if you’re feeling mean) and 2 fanshots (70 points)
Always analyzing the stats... don't care about scouts.
I guess I'll give this a shot.
Excluding this comment, I’m sitting at 2333 draft points.
I’m either hoping for a camera or a concession guy in the draft. Better keep it realistic so that if I end up with someone/something we recognize, it’ll just be gravy.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
[Oh, right, breakdown.]
Joined in Oct 2009, so that’s about 27 months here. 540 points.
Zero FanShots/FanPosts. 0 points.
Bit of a lazy commenter: only 1793 comments made (about 66.4 comments per month). 1793 points.
540+0+1793=2333.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Im in.
Throwing my boy Edwin Escobar back into the pot. 35(12)20(25)41= 961 points for me so I’ll be somewhere near the bottom……..AGAIN.
My adopted son: Edwin Escobar. SOLID.
Fixed
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Not another new guy
Im in. And since this is my first post was going to tell everyone else who thought they’d be last that they could suck it. But now I’ve looked more carefully, I’m not even the first new kid :(
Bullshit! You have over 10,000 more points than me? WTF?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
BUT I’VE BEEN TOTALLY IGNORING PRODUCTIVITY AT WORK TO COMMENT HERE AND I GET NOTHING OUT OF IT. NOTHING!!!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 13, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I want to be on the list
But I don’t know if I’ll want to draft whoever’s left. We’ll see, I guess. 3705 points.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Isn't it obvious ? You should just adopt Mel Ott !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
The 2012 retained list is up on the Mcwiki..
http://mccoveychronicles.wikispaces.com/Adopt+a+Giant+Program
Please take a look to verify that if you are not drafting, we have the information correct.
The heartless bastards that have thrown their adopted children back into the pool should also veriify that we have the retained list correct :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Fla-Giant
You’ve got my entry wrong.
I an drafting and I threw Jake Dunning back into the pool.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Fixed
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Keeping my boy
Looks like I’d drop my draft position this year, and it won’t get much better than Chris Lofton.
I smell a breakout if they give him a shot in SJ.
Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you Chris Lofton.
and somebody just dropped their player this morning
Throwing my boy Edwin Escobar back into the pot.
which would, of course, not be reflected in the list I emailed you last night!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Got it...
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
in
42,193 points
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 13, 2012 3:02 PM PST reply actions
I'm in.
21,948 points
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Feb 13, 2012 5:24 PM PST reply actions
Community Poll
When should we start this thing? For me, it would be ideal if we could start it no earlier than Friday (LOLmidterms) but I understand that people probably don’t want to wait that long. I could definitely carve an hour or so out of my study schedule to set it up.
Thoughts?
How long is the draft window, again?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
24 hours, 3 people at a time. There are always 3 people on the clock, so it moves along pretty quickly.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
Dude...you are doing the work. If Friday is the best day to start for you, that is when you start.
If someone want’s it earlier, then they should have volunteered to run the draft.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
by nvsfg on Feb 14, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Feb 14, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Also, some housekeeping
HUGE hat tip to nvsfg and Merope for doing this, but here is a fully updated list of Giants already taken by McCoven. And a big thank you to Nivra as well for the list above, which I updated and organized into a Google Doc here.. It is not comprehensive, but its as good as I could do. I know it’s missing a few 2011 draftees, but I went by the rule that “if I don’t recognize the name, there’s a good chance no one else does either.”
and to the new drafters… remember it doesn’t HAVE to be a player. I think KnK and Baggs are available, Grant is available. Somebody could adopt the brick, or even Lou Seal’s mom or dad (usually only seen on mother’s day / father’s day) I think it might be neat to adopt the camera dude up in view reserved, the one who takes the splash hit pics and freezes his ass off … “Hi, I’m your adopted McCoven parent, here’s some cocoa. And a scarf.”
All I can do for my guy is put an orange flower on his memorial plaque. ( I may have to ask somebody to do that for me this opening day. I don’t think we’ll be going to opening weekend this year.)
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I got my son a travel pillow. Helps prevent a stiff neck when traveling from town to town on that A ball bus.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I like that Sabean’s Laptop’s first name is Brian.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
Not Yet !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
DAMNIT!
I was trying to keep that on the Down Low…grr I hate you Kennv
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Dead Beats
Did some of them show up to reclaim their adoptees?
Did Boozer show up and I missed him?
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
FP..that list is a few short. Yesterday we got a few comments about people that had returned their kids to the pool. Fla-Gant for example threw Jake Dunning back in the pool. I have updated the listing on the mcwiki with a 2012 Pre-Draft Taken list.
http://mccoveychronicles.wikispaces.com/Adopt+a+Giant+Program
That list is a Google Docs worksheet. It is the McC Google Docs account. If you want the login and password drop me an e-mail.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Alright, I just link to that in the future.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
I’m confused. Is there a list at the wiki of who is available? I only see a list of who is already adopted.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
The list of who are available is here. It’s a disaster formatting-wise, but you should probably be able to see what you’re looking for.
Also, btw, it looks like you’ll be drafting somewhere between 15th and 20th.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Capitalizing on FP's work...
Makes it slightly easier to find players.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Matther Sartor, Scott Munter and Brad Boyer are no longer with the Giants, and I’m 99% certain that Craig Whittaker is also gone.
I also have a question about the current adoptee list. I count 16 people that are counted as owners of players that are no longer Giants. Are people really holding onto these players?
Ford (Darren), Holm, Hougesen, Kroon,
Mercedes (Simon), Schoop, Sosa, Suppan,
Tanner (Clayton), Tejada, Torres (Andres), Turpen,
Uribe, Velez, Wellemeyer, Wheeler (Zack)
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Probably a stupid question, but...
Is the list of current players otherwise going to stay the same? Or will the Giants release some other minor leaguers leading up to the season?
Also, as far as people with non-Giants, I assume they are free to join the adoption draft. Otherwise, it would seem that they don’t have an adoptee any longer.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Also, I think GiantPain has Pagan now since Torres was traded for him. I don’t know if we ever resolved that issue (including what happens to the person who had Ramon Ramirez), though.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I find it hard to believe that people are holding onto Todd Wellmeyer, Miguel Tejada, Henry Sosa, Dan Turpen, Steve Holm and Caleb Hougesen (who never played a single inning in the org). I think we need to post all of the 16 players that I listed in my OP above and have the members confirm that they still want to keep them.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I’m not really sure why we would need to do that. I mean, what difference does it make if they still want those guys? Not sure how it affects the draft or anyone else.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
The might want to be included in this year’s draft. I assume they’re active members since they weren’t identified in Merope’s dragnet.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
So, your worried that they think their players are still with the team? Otherwise, they have had just as much of an opportunity to join the draft as anyone else.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
No, I’m thinking that they might believe that they’ve tried to sign up for this year’s draft and for some reason it hasn’t been noted.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Notes for the Rules Post
All rules would need to be agreed upon prior to the draft. As for your questions, my opinions would be..
1) We allow dead Giants to be adopted. I don’t see why former Giants could not stay adopted.
2) If someone now has a “Non-Giant” player due to FA/trades/release/retirement and wants to draft, they need to voice that opinion here. We cannot update the list unless they chime in. Everyone has been given a fair amount of time to voice their preference of keeping or releasing their adoptee.
3) Since this is an all volunteer army at this point, I feel like we should just go with the proposed dates and run the draft. We could pick apart the draft and rules until July and there would likely still be folks we have not heard from.
The first discussions ( Fan Shots) on the 2012 Adoption Draft went up on December 29, 2011. Six weeks seems like a long enough period of visibility for those wanting to participate.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
You’ve misunderstood my point. I’m with you on the rules, but my question was are we sure that none of those members have dhimed in over the past 10 days witht the desire to be a part of the draft?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Again, one man army. OK..more like one woman and two men. Merope is researching the posts to verify anyone that has given up their adopted Giant. I am taking her list and comments from the posts to publish what we know. Free FP is creating and posting the adoption threads.
We have given people ample time to voice their preference. Free FP has asked, Merope has asked, and I have asked. Short of knocking on their inbox and asking “Is anyone home” ? I’m not sure what else we can do.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I think next year this could be made even easier.
Sorta like this year, with one official thread, but …
(a) Start the rules thread 3-4 weeks before the draft so that the formula gets decided on.
(b)Start the official sign-up thread right after that ends and keep it on the rec list until it falls off.
© state categorically that anyone who doesn’t post in that thread doesn’t get in the draft
(d) state that all official declarations have to be a main comment on the thread and contain the points in the title, and not a reply to a sub-comment (should make it easier to actually see who’s declaring)
I thought they re-signed Munter though I can’t find anything about it anywhere. They did definitely re-sign Whitaker.
They had signed him to shore up the Fresno pen after the Padres released him last August, but he immediately became a free agent at the end of the season and I remember seeing something this offseason about the Giants releasing him or him signing a minor league deal with another team.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I think we need a better list for the minor leagues
Here’s a more complete list that I just threw together. I separated it by which minor league level that I project each player will be assigned to this spring. I also put the players that are already owned at the top of each team’s list.
AAA (Fresno)
(Owned) Justin Christian
(Owned) Steve Edlefsen
(Owned) Justin Fitzgerald
(Owned) Conor Gillaspie
(Owned) Tyler Graham
(Owned) Heath Hembree
(Owned) Roger Kieschnick
(Owned) Shane Loux
(Owned) Daryl Maday
(Owned) Francisco Peguero
(Owned) Hector Sanchez
Joaquin Arias
Gregor Blanco
Brock Bond
Boof Bonser
Brian Burres
Hector Correa
Charlie Culberson
Casey Daigle
Justin Dowdy
Geno Espineli
Eric Hacker
Andrew Kown
Jean Machi
Osiris Matos
Dan Otero
Yusmeiro Petit
David Quinowski
Wilmin Rodriguez
Felix Romero
Jason Stevenson
Eric Surkamp
Gil Velazquez
Jackson Williams
Matt Yourkin
AA (Richmond)
(Owned) Ehire Adrianza
(Owned) Drew Biery
(Owned) Gary Brown
(Owned) Ryan Cavan
(Owned) Chris Dominguez
(Owned) Wendell Fairley
(Owned) Stephen Harrold
(Owned) Tommy Joseph
(Owned) Nick Liles
(Owned) Johnny Monell
(Owned) Nick Noonan
(Owned) Juan Carlos Perez
Alex Burg
Juan Ciriaco
Craig Clark
Jake Dunning
Jose Flores
Chris Gloor
Chris Heston
Wes Hodges
Tyler LaTorre
Mitch Lively
Chuck Lofgren
Ryan Lormand
Aaron Lowenstein
Kelvin Marte
Mike McBryde
David Mixon
Jarrett Parker
Edwin Quirarte
Ronnie Ray
Andy Reichard
Skyler Stromsmoe
Joel Weeks
Craig Westcott
Chris Wilson
Eliezer Zambrano
A+ (San Jose)
(Owned) Brett Bochy
(Owned) Mike Kickham
(Owned) Chris Lofton
(Owned) Michael Main
(Owned) Rafael Rodriguez
(Owned) Carlos Willoughby
Luke Anders
Jeff Arnold
Ryan Bean
Drew Bowlin
Jorge Bucardo
Raynor Campbell
Jose Casilla
Edward Concepcion
Paul Davis
Jacob Dunnington
Adam Duvall
Edwin Escobar
Austin Fleet
Jesus Galindo
Bobby Haney
Devin Harris
Carter Jurica
Aaron King
Ryan Lollis
Josh Mazzola
Michael Mergenthaler
Mike Murray
Jesus Navarro
Ricky Oropesa
Joe Panik
Addison Proszek
Mario Rodriguez
Taylor Rogers
Ari Ronick
Seth Rosin
Shawn Sanford
Gaspar Santiago
Ryan Scoma
James Simmons
Andrew Susac
Jose Valdez
Kyle Vazquez
Tom Vessella
A (Augusta)
(Owned) Daniel Burkhart
(Owned) Kendry Flores
(Owned) Matthew Graham
(Owned) Joseph Staley
Brandon Allen
Demondre Arnold
Bryce Bandilla
Mitch Beacom
Keith Bilodeau
Ray Black
Clayton Blackburn
Elliot Blair
Ryan Bradley
Wilber Bucardo
Garrett Buechele
Kyle Crick
Jose Cuevas
Brice Cutspec
Kaohi Downing
John Eshleman
Ryan Honeycutt
Julio Izturis
Chuckie Jones
Brett Krill
Cody Hall
Cam Lamb
Derek Law
Chris Marlowe
Lorenzo Mendoza
Phil McCormick
Tyler Mizenko
Steven Neff
Leonardo Ochoa
Josh Osich
Shawn Payne
Reinier Roibal
Justin Schumer
Stephen Shackleford
Eric Sim
Steven (Jack) Snodgrass
Ben Thomas
Kelby Tomlinson
Angel Villalona
Ydwin Villegas
A- (Salem-Keizer)
Luis Angeles
Eldred Barnett
Gus Benusa
Joe Biagini
Daniel Brock
Gabriel Cornier
Enmanuel DeJesus
Jose De La Cruz
Jean Delgado
Christian Diaz
Keurin Feliz
Miguel Ferrer
Brennan Flick
Leonardo Fuentes
Joan Gregorio
Ariel Hernandez
Kentrell Hill
Jonathan Jones
Brian Maloney
Cameron McVey
Rafael Martinez
Adalberto Mejia
Raymundo Montero
Bryan Nicholson
Cristian Otero
Armando Paniagua
Cristian Paulino
Addison Proszek
Danny Sandbrink
Jake Shadle
Jacob Smith
Stephen Yarrow
ROOKIE – (Scottsdale)
(Owned) Marvin Barrios
(Owned) Sundrendy Windster
Carlos Cartagena
Carlos Diaz
Rey Duran
Victor Feliz
Alejandro Flores
Renzo Freite
Reyes Moronta
Shurendell Mujica
Randy Ortiz
Fernando Pujadas
Travious Relaford
Alberto Robles
Drew Stiner
Carlos (Eric) Valdez
Luis Vasquez
ROOKIE – DOMINICAN SUMMER LEAGUE
Alexis Almeida
Royel Astacio
Noel Diaz
Ebert Fernandez
Alexis Garcia
Bertoni Garcia
Nelder Gonzalez
Emmanuel Hernandez
Eduardo Lopez
Jorge Lopez
Yeini Martinez
Franklin Matamoros
Hector Mercedes
Herody Mesa
Gregorio Minier
Jose Morel
Rando Moreno
Franklin Noel
Juan Nova
Nicoll Parra
Julio Pena
Jose Reyes
Richard Rodriguez
Michael Santos
Juan Sierra
Ronny Sotelo
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
You think DeJesus will start in SK?
Interesting. I would’ve pegged him for Scottsdale.
I’d say it’s about 50/50, but i went positive based on the thought that they might want to keep Mejia and DeJesus together for familiarity and competition.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Seriously? I think it’s 50/50 that he’ll be in the AZL. I think there’s no chance he’s anywhere above that.
I think a lot depends on where Mejia ends up.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I don’t think so at all. I think with DeJesus the options are back to the DSL or the AZL and I’d put the odds of those two things at 50/50. Mejia will obviously be here, so I’ll give him a 50/50 shot between being in the AZL and SK. there is absolutely no chance in the world that DeJesus gets promoted to SK. They’ll send Taylor Rogers back there to fill out the rotation before that happens.
Surprising
I’m surprised that you think DeJesus could go back to the DSL. I think that he’s got nothing left to prove there, and when you look at the Giants recent experience with top pitchers from the Caribbean you’ll see:
Kendry Flores: 1 yr in DSL (age 17), IP=66, stats very good, promoted to AZL following year
Lor. Mendoza: 1 yr in DSL (age 17/18), IP=61, stats good, promoted to AZL following year
Luis Angeles: 1 yr in DSL (age 20), IP=77, stats very good, promoted to AZL following year
Adalb. Mejia: 1 yr in DSL (age 18), IP=76, stats fantastic, promoted to ? following year
En. DeJesus: 1 yr in DSL (age 17), IP=47, stats fantastic, promoted to ? following year
Both Mejia and DeJesus have the added edge of having played in the DPL before the DSL and both have the physical size and frame to handle pitching lots of innings in the USA this
season.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Sure but you see other things as well. Marvin Barrios and Ariel Hernandez (I’d say better than teammate Luis Angeles, even without considering the extreme difference in age) both had very good numbers in their age 17 seasons and were returned to the DSL at 18.
Bertoni Garcia had quite good and intriguing numbers in both his age 17 and 16 seasons and he never has been brought over, having just completed his 4th year in the DSL. Franklin Noel has been there 5 years despite some scintillating seasons (including back to back years with over 9.0 k/9 and an ERA below 0.50.
Miguel Ferrer was down there three years despite some nice numbers. Edward Concepcion was there three years (and when he was brought to the states he’d never put up good numbers in the DSL).
In the end the decision is a scouting one and not based on numbers at all, I suspect, and we’ve received no signs from the organization at all regarding DeJesus that would lead us to believe he’s on any kind of special development track (which skipping over AZL entirely would definitely be).
Marte
Speaking of DSL pitchers, I was reminded by Joe Ritzo’s summation of the organization’s pitching (and anyone interested in these things should definitely read both of Ritzo’s two articles previewing the organization’s pitching and hitting, as he’s definitely getting a lot of the placement information from talks he’s had with Stanley and Evans), that one prospect I think we lost sight of in the CPL is Kelvin Marte. A lefty who throws hard and seems to have overcome arm troubles is definitely someone to watch.
He’s old, no doubt, but he was once upon a time a real good looking prospect, and any lefty who can pump it up there in the 90s is going to keep getting chances.
I read both of Ritzo’s articles and they were interesting, although I was hoping for more specific info on the tools that the prospects posess rather than the rehashing of stats that he provided.
I like Marte as a prospect and have him ticketed for the starting rotation in Richmond. He’s one of those pitchers that always seems to pitch well, but almost always gets victimized by one bad inning every start.
One other prospect that Ritzo neglected to mention (perhaps ominously?) was Chuckie Jones.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Are these newer articles?
I don’t remember anything hitting my radar from Ritzo recently. Do you have a link?
Ritzo's stuff:
Hitting: http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120214&content_id=26686346&vkey=news_t476&fext=.jsp&sid=t476
Pitching: http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26605548&vkey=news_t476&fext=.jsp&sid=t476
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Dude...you are killing me
I am but a lowly minion in the process,but here is a nice pretty version of your MiLB list by level and alpha, with currently adopted players. Currently Adopted sounds a little better than owned :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Is that list shareable?
I’d love to go through that and highlight the names that appeared in the McC top44
You really going to help out people who are too lazy to check out community prospects with a spotlight that says “Come draft me!”??? Come on!
This is the correct response.
One of things I love about the community prospect list each year is that you have to do a little work.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It is...the McWiki has it's own gmail and google docs account
drop me an e-mail and I’ll get you the login and password.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I thought that you were going to let Burkhart go, did you decide to keep him after all?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Nope...
I will not abandon Dan Burkhart just because he is the seventh ranked backup catcher.
by nvsfg on Feb 6, 2012 8:01 AM PST reply actions
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Sent..
Check your mail
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Good Job & thanks
I wasn’t trying to stamp on your work. It was just that I was worried that some of the adopters with a limited knowledge of the farm system would be confused by that list. The original Daily Dish list that you were working from had several errors and made it look like prospects who played a few games in AAA and AA last season (due to emergency situations) would be on those higher level rosters to start the 2012 season. There seems to be a lot more adopters this year, so I have a feeling that we’ll be seeing a lot of the more obscure minor leaguers being adopted.
BTW, you have 1 error on your doc. At the bottom of the Augusta list you have Stephen Snodgrass listed with (Jack) as his last name.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Not an issue
I was just trying to keep the data ( lists) archived in one place. It will be much easier for us to work with and verify if we have a consistent base to work from.
I’ll take any information you want to provide.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Looks good. Now just add a column (or 2) for exec, retirees, and miscellaneous adoptees and we should have a good master list for the draft.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
LOL
Maybe I will attempt that after the draft. It is starting to look like one of my financial spreadsheets that run all the way out to column XX.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
A legend for for the colors ? I will clean it up a little if you let me know can provide the info regarding the changes you made.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Now you’re just messing with me :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Lol.
I took out the colors on the public version b/c of the objections above. I’ll share the colored version with anyone who requests it – it’s already shared with the wiki account. It has the McC top44 highlighted, potential MLB contributers highlighted, prospects who appear on other lists(notably FLA and Dr. B’s) highlighted, 2011 draftees italicized, and some other random coloration I put in.
Any way to trade with someone who owns a player we want? Or any chance the owned players will be vacated?
Always analyzing the stats... don't care about scouts.
I'm in. 6749 draft points.
6749 draft points=4874 comments +1140 (20*57 May 2007) + 735 (35*21 Fanposts/Fanshots/Diaries?)
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
I'm in as well
With a whopping 674 points. I guess it’s unfortunate that this site is the only part of my life where I listen more than I talk.
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Feb 14, 2012 10:47 AM PST reply actions
f.p.
When will you be releasing the draft order so people can start planning their pics?
So alone...
Twitter
I think we should wait until everybody is heard from and the list of available adoptees is correct. There’s too much confusion right now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
At this point, people have had 3 days to get their notice of participation in
a week to keep or throw back their adoption.
This list of adoptees is important, but I am also not sure if this needs to be drug out forever.
And posting a simple order list is what I am talking about.
So alone...
Twitter
I’m at the point where, if someone hasn’t indicated interest at this point, it’s because they’re not interested. At some level, it’s incumbent upon you to know whether your adoptee is with the Giants or not.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I’m right there with you. Of course, there are other folks, like OCG, who I’d like to come back and de-adopt.
I think that if there are 3 on the clock
you’ll be picking in the first round.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
scout, I believe you pick 2nd. I’m at work and the list is on my home computer (d’oh) but I’m certain you’re in the top 10.
If anyone wants to ask, I’d be glad to tell them (after I get off work, of course) but the truth of the matter is I had a midterm today and two more, one each on Wednesday and Thursday, and so it would just work best for me if we started the draft on Friday. In the meantime, I see no reason to allow the list to stay open.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
This sounds perfectly reasonable.
Also, if I’m understanding you correctly, you won’t have the full list of the order posted until Friday. That’s perfect, but it seems there’s some confusion over when that information will be available.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Full, complete list will be ready to go when drafting starts. The rule last year, and the rule I intend to use this year, is that if you choose to get involved after drafting starts, you go to the bottom of the list no questions asked.
I expect the people to join between now and Friday to be more infrequent posters, so if you have a number in the top half or so I can tell you a two or three pick range that you’re likely to be in.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
If you get a chance, I’d love to know where I stack up in the order. I’ll base my decision on whether to enter the draft on that.
Thanks for all your hard work!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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You’re 11th as of now, and I’d be surprised if anybody chimed in at this point that would have more points than you.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 14, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. Thanks!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Still looking to trade Vogelsong for a pick.
If you’re not satisfied with where you end up picking, consider taking Vogelsong and trading that pick to me, instead.
If the guy you wanted gets taken before your pick, then consider adopting the 2011 comeback Giant of the year!
I would take Vogelsong
For my awful awful awful pick (Like bottom 5)
Every day and twice on Sundays.
So if you don’t care who you get, pick me!
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Well, i'd prolly slot in the bottom 20, so I'm looking for a pick above that.
I’m leaning towards a top20 pick, but I’ll listen to anyone who has a top40 pick or so.
Nevermind, calculated it myself
578 points.
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 16, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
PSA: help out the VOLUNTEERS who are trying to keep this organized....
If you are opting in to the draft which means you are giving up a previously adopted player, please let us know. I’m haven’t had the time to double check anything since February 13th.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
by Merope on Feb 16, 2012 8:11 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Can I see the draft order before I decide to give up my seal? I’m still undecided.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
You draft 10th
The top 10 are:
scout
PiKA
nostocksjustbonds
CalBear
Giant among Angels
rotorueter
Solidarity
El Person
DFARowand
can of corn
by free f.p. #14 on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
Seriously people…if you want this to run smoothly, help us out. Check the lists on the mcwiki and report any errors as a reply under this comment. FP is scheduled to start the draft on Friday.
http://mccoveychronicles.wikispaces.com/Adopt+a+Giant+Program
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Do we have an official list of available players to be adopted? There are several docs floating around, but I think we should decide on an official doc and publish the link so that everybody will have someplace to look to see who is available when they’re on the clock.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Here are docs that have already been posted (neither of them are complete and one isn't error-free):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdGVBNkZhU2VaZlhGbnhsTWNvcFJBSGc&output=html
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdHFOdlJNRUdodjNtZzN3bVg5N2hZSFE&output=html
Could somebody merge the info on the 2 lists, create a master list, and post it to the McWiki as the official list?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Define "complete" and state your preference for the list format. What is the error ?
Since FP is running the draft, he should probably tell me which type of document he wants to work from. The only error I can see so far is the GiantPain is not listed as keeping Pagan. Anything else I missed ? I don’t know if we can get perfect Fla, I can combine the lists this afternoon and post a link here and the list to the mcwiki. It would likely be best to format the list as a vertical worksheet that has the adopted parents and blanks next to available players so that it is easier to update as the draft progresses. I would prefer that I get some feedback from FP prior to posting an official list.
Multiple sets of eyes are preferred, but we all need to agree on the document format and tracking.
FP what document do you want to work from ? Do you have a listing that you want posted ? You can reply off line if you need to. Just tell me what you need me to do.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Complete: The first doc that I linked to in my comment wasn’t comlete, because it didn’t have a list staff, execs, retirees, and miscell. things that are currently unavailable. Although, I see that you’ve updated that doc now to include Staff & execs.
Errors: The 2nd doc that I linked to above has many errors and omissions. Everything from listing minor leaguers that are no longer in the org (Mattt Sartor, Craig Whittaker, Brad Boyer, …) to listing available adoptees as belonging to teams that are well above the level that they will be playing this season (Yarrow, Downing, Cuevas, Fleet, …)
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Updated List...Please comment. Define Errors.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdGVBNkZhU2VaZlhGbnhsTWNvcFJBSGc&output=html
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
This doc looks good to me. The only change that I would request would be to add a catch-all column on the far right hand side to include all of the miscellaneous adoptees (that don’t fall under the other categories) that are no longer available. Here’s the names that would be included in the Miscellaneous category:
Ball Dudes, The
Breining, Fred
Brooks-Moon, Renel
Crab, Crazy
Dravecky, Dave
Foghorn, The
Ford, Darren
Grant, Eddie
Gutierrez, Amy
Hayes, Billy
Holm, Steve
Hougesen, Caleb
Kakazu, Shun
Kroon, Marc
Kuiper, Duane
Lincecum’s Dealer, Tim
Linz, Luis
Marichal, Juan
Machine, The
Mercedes, Simon
Miller, Jon
Murphy, Mike
Neukom’s Bowtie, Bill
Renteria, Edgar
Rohlinger, Ryan
Rowand, Aaron
Sabean’s Laptop, Brian
Sanchez, Jonathon
Schlough, Bill
Schoop, Sharlon
Seal, Lou
Sire, Jaymee
Snow, JT
Sosa, Henry
Suppan, Jeff
Sweeney, Susan
Tejada, Miguel
Turpen, Dan
Uribe, Juan
Velez, Eugenio
Wellemeyer, Todd
Wheeler, Zack
Williams, Matt
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
You mean like this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdEMxVzR2WTd1VFBsa1MyaWtLWDlSQ2c&output=html
This is just the adopted list, but I will include this information in the document linked above.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Better ?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdGVBNkZhU2VaZlhGbnhsTWNvcFJBSGc&output=html
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
The data looks good to me. I would suggest 2 things to prettify the way it looks:
1. Move the “Staff/Execs/Retired/Non-Giants/Other” column from the far right over to just before, or just after, the “MLB” column. That column contains so many names that are already adopted that I think it would be easier for it to be one of the first columns that people see when they open the doc.
2. Merge the AZL and DSL columns into 1 single column. Most of those players are on a fairly even stage of development, and by merging the 2 columns it will visually balance out the doc.
If you decide to do it that way you would have:
ROOKIE – AZL & DSL
(Unavailable) Marvin Barrios
(Unavailable) Sundrendy Windster
Alexis Almeida
Royel Astacio
Carlos Cartagena
Carlos Diaz
Noel Diaz
Rey Duran
Victor Feliz
Ebert Fernandez
Alejandro Flores
Renzo Freite
Alexis Garcia
Bertoni Garcia
Nelder Gonzalez
Emmanuel Hernandez
Eduardo Lopez
Jorge Lopez
Yeini Martinez
Franklin Matamoros
Hector Mercedes
Herody Mesa
Gregorio Minier
Jose Morel
Rando Moreno
Reyes Moronta
Shurendell Mujica
Franklin Noel
Juan Nova
Randy Ortiz
Nicoll Parra
Julio Pena
Fernando Pujadas
Travious Relaford
Jose Reyes
Alberto Robles
Richard Rodriguez
Michael Santos
Juan Sierra
Ronny Sotelo
Drew Stiner
Carlos (Eric) Valdez
Luis Vasquez
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
You are one picky SOB...How's this ?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AgFRsbGiR5AjdGVBNkZhU2VaZlhGbnhsTWNvcFJBSGc&output=html
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Geeebus… how much they paying you again?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
10,000 McCovey Bucks...which at the current exchange rate is...
Nothing..but FLA owes me big..
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Who me?
I do appreciate all of the work and time that you, merope and Nivra have done to facilitate the draft – it’s mostly a thankless job until th end. But, it’s not as if I was just sitting back and taking potshots from the peanut gallery. I put in more than a ltitle amount of time to research the list, correct all of the errors, and supply the info in a format to make it easy for all to use.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
LOL
Need a rope….It’s a fairly deep chasm.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
BTW....without any last minute edits...this will likely be the list you are drafting from.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Isn't the list kinda easy for the user to check?
Is the player/person/noun already adopted? If not you can adopt .
Rather than list all possible draft choices, which since it includes the entire system past and present, the press, the FO, the mascots, the idon’tevenknows is pretty hard to do, lets just make sure the list of adopted players is correct.
I think we really only NEED a list of adopted Giants that we can check against before we draft. A list of available players is nice to have and look at but not necessary.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
Justin Christian back to Fresno
BTW, Justin Christian cleared waivers and will be reporting to Fresno to start the season, so Ceora doesn’t have to make the decision of dropping him as an adoptee.
https://twitter.com/#!/CSNBaggs/status/170009799319232512
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Again my only question is whether absentee parents have been removed from the list.
I see PacBellBooser still has Nate Schierholtz, but I haven’t seen the Boozer in these parts for quite a while (and he was on the list of absentee parents in a previous thread). If I missed him coming in to reclaim him, I’m super sorry to sully his name. Seems like the other names have been removed from the list.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
So...If I read this comment correctly..
since we can not verify interest from PBB, you would like to see Nate Scheirholtz added to the pool in hopes of adopting him yourself. . Is that correct ?
PacBellBoozer
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PBB shows activity on Addicted To Quack, but no activity on McC. As there is no contact information in any of his SBN profiles, and kennv is not going to let this drop ( kidding) , I would say we should probably throw him back in the pool.
Judges, How Rule Ye ? Chime in please.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
why doesn't someone
reply to one of his comments on the other site and try to get his attention to what’s happening. Or, couldn’t a site moderator see his email address?
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
PBB has been member for a long time. He was a member here when I joined in 2007. I do not want to disrespect him at all, but his last comment that I can find on McC is from 2010 and is here .
He only has two comments showing for any blog in 2012, and 68 of his last 70 between 2010 and 2012 are on Addicted to Quack.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
oh well
if he hasn’t commented on McCC for over a year, I would say it’s within our right to throw his adopted player back into the pool.
If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.
ooh... Nate becomes one of the better players available.
I’d say Nate and Theriot are the best available players who may put up > 1 WAR. Affeldt and Mota after them.
Of course, anyone interested in a much better player, could trade for Vogelsong
hint hint
Best player available!
pffffffffffft
you know they are just going to trade him for some broken down middle infielder and a washed up relief pitcher!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Nate needs an active dad
There is gonna be a knife fight over getting Belt major league ABs, and Schierholtz needs someone in his corner. I would be pretty surprised if Nate dropped to my lowly draft spot.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
The logic of starting Nate over Belt completely escapes me, though it does seem that the team is committed to it as a year opening philosophy.
Depends on your perspective I suppose. Mine is that Nate actually being the starting RF is a pretty poisonous as well.
As much as I love rooting for local guys, Nate has been monkeying around on the Gints roster for 5 years now, and has over 1100 MLB ABs. There is a strong chance he is who he is, 275/315/415 with good defense and a cannon of an arm.
Would more ABs tilt him up or knock him down? He may not get the chance to get that question answered.
, 275/315/415 with good defense and a cannon of an arm.
along with decent speed, which would make him a perfectly cromulent CF.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Nate had a good year last year.
He had 2.5 WAR/650 PA last season, and he did that with negative defensive value.
His UZR/150 was -1.7 runs. His career UZR/150 is 10.7 runs.
Assuming his offense stays the same, and his defense regresses to career, he’d be worth 3.7 WAR/650 PA. Assuming his defense regresses to +5, he’d be worth 3.2 wins. Above league average.
Now, you may say that his 2011 offense was an aberration. He had a .327 wOBA while his career is .313. However, Bill James projects 2012 to be .328, and owlcroft has often said that fulltime play results in an increase in performance.
Even if we regress offense to his career of .313, it would cost him 8 runs/650 PA. So he would be worth 2.9 wins using his career UZR or 2.4 wins with only +5 UZR/150.
So using the worst regression assumptions we get 0.4 wins above league average and using the rosiest of regression assumptions we get 1.7 wins above league average.
I am very much on this side of the debate. Nate did a lot with regular playing time last year. It is probably to his disadvantage that most of the premium corner OF talent is in right field these days, but I don’t see him as particularly “poisonous to the team.” He’ll never be better than #6 hitter, but his defensive value makes him around a league average player as he approaches peak value.
Of Nate, Huff, and Melky, Nate is the one I am least concerned about getting playing time over Belt.
I promise not to argue incessantly about Brandon Crawford. Maybe.
Which makes him a second division starter to me. Steve Young always says that in the playoffs every time you kick a FG you’re that much closer to losing. The baseball corollary for me is every starting position you give to a guy like Schierholtz puts you that much further from being a championship contending team. He’s an upgradeable player, we have a potential upgrade most likely playing in Fresno. To me that doesn’t make much sense.
Yah... I'd have to disagree.
The problems with the lineup last year were the gaping holes at 1B, SS, 2B, C, UT.
If the Giants could have gotten league average from those four positions, they would’ve made the playoffs.
The problem will be Huff. 2011 Huff was nowhere near league average.
My point:
2011 Huff: -0.6 WAR in 580 PA
2011 SS: 0.9 WAR in 940 PA
2011 2B: 0.5 WAR in 930 PA (-0.5 WAR in 670 PA after Franchez)
2011 C: 2.6 WAR in 650 PA (1 WAR in 450 PA after Buster)
2011 UT not included above:
3B: .2 WAR in 461 PA
Total after Franchez/Posey: 1 WAR in 3100 PA.
If we had gotten league average in those 3100 PA, say 2 WAR/650 PA, that would have netted 9.5 more wins, easily enough to get the Giants past the D-backs in the playoffs.
Baseball isn't football
Hell, baseball isn’t any other major sport. Much, much different dynamic. Not only do I think that what applies in playoff football probably has no corollary to regular season baseball, as much as I like Steve Young he’s not exactly a statistical analyst. Plenty of great players have little idea what actually matters in the game, and the best irony of all is that Young’s own 49ers won a lot of games with field goals last year. His opinion certainly isn’t worthless and he is one of the smarter guys I’ve heard speak, but I prefer numbers to platitudes.
As for RF, it’s possibly an upgradeable position. But every year that we don’t look at Schierholtz as an option is another one wasted. We should have just given him the RF job going into 2008, and then we should have given it to him in 2009, and then last year he set a career high in ABs, WAR, and wOBA (excepting 20 games in 2008). The fact that the FO/manager screwed up by putting useless veterans in RF for several seasons doesn’t mean we should keep doing that. Considering we’ve got Belt for several more seasons, and it’s not impossible he needs more time in AAA, I would rather make sure Schierholtz can’t handle RF before giving Belt that job, particularly considering Belt might be better utilized in LF or at 1B. IMO, considering things like service time and ML-readiness, I would rather put a guy like Nate in right and put Belt in the minors to start the season, and then make changes if necessary. If they’re both capable of being productive starters, TBH I’d rather put Schierholtz in right because Belt can make use of time in Fresno. Nate’s as ready as he’s ever going to be, and the same might not be true of Belt.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
But why should they have made him a starter in 2008 or 2009 when nothing he does suggests that he’ll ever be an above average starter in RF? He’s a classic tweener with no power for the corner and not enough speed for center. He doesn’t get on base well, he doesn’t hit well, and I personally think his defensive abilities are somewhat overstated around here. He’s certainly sure handed but I’m not sure his range is really exceptional. In other words, he’s a prototypical UT OF. But he’s hardly a championship profile and starting him just gives you another position where you’re below average. Nivra’s point that Huff was a bigger problem last year is obviously true, but I’ll believe Huff not starting when I see it personally, and Huff’s history at least suggests there’s a possibility he can be productive. Schierholtz’ does not.
But why should they have made him a starter in 2008 or 2009 when nothing he does suggests that he’ll ever be an above average starter in RF?
You missed my point where Schierholtz is above average.
I projected offense and defense based on 4 scenarios, above, and all of them point to him as above average.
He was above average last year, with 2.5 WAR/650 PA.
He’s been above average for his career with 2.6 WAR/650 PA.
Maybe you don’t buy UZR which has him at +18.9 runs saved on defense for his career, but DRS also has him at +14 runs. Using that instead would dock him 5 runs over his career, which would keep him above average at 2.3 WAR/650 PA.
That being said, I can see the following reasoning:
(1) Huff will start, come seagulls, tornadoes, or tsunamis.
(2) Melky and Pagan are in the same boat.
(3) Belt is projected to produce 4 WAR/650 PA.
(4) Nate is projected to produce 3 WAR/650 PA.
(5) Therefore, the Giants gain a win by starting Belt over Nate.
However, that’s really missing the point that Huff shouldn’t be starting, that either Melky or Pagan might bomb, and that Nate is above average, and is a very serviceable RF starter.
Because he posted a .393 wOBA in Fresno at 23. And the Giants were coming off a season where they’d lost 91 games and finished last. Then they lost 90 games in 2008 while Schierholtz put up a .403 wOBA. While Winn was a good player in 2008, he was just terrible in ’09 (offensively at least) and a free agent in 2010 when he got even worse. There was no sense in playing a pending FA in RF every goddamn day when they had a 24-year-old tearing up Fresno that might hold down that job for awhile.
The argument against Schierholtz also applies to Belt, and it’s the exact same run-around that’s been annoying us all year. Belt’s history isn’t much more indicative of production than Nate’s; they both tore up the minors at similar ages then came up and hit decently in limited and sporadic playing time. Belt is just Nate from four years ago.
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It’s not the same because scouts love Belt’s swing (and approach) and they always disliked Nate’s. It’s long and slow. He has to start it early to catch up to good velocity (and as a result gets fooled alot) and still doesn’t generate consistent power with it and doesn’t square balls up well.
IMO scouts trump stats when it comes to minor leaguers (essentially because you can compile very good numbers without ever having major league tools). The two players aren’t the same.
Not the same
But similar. Scouts may not have liked his swing, but they can’t argue he got results with it, and that he’s never really gotten a shot at a starting gig. His defense has always been good enough, and the idea that he could hit is not ridiculous. I don’t see why that’s not worth trying out, particularly when Pagan, Cabrera, and Huff leaving in 2013 means we’ll almost certainly be looking for OF bats (with Belt at first). If he’s not hitting after a month or two, then he can go back to the bench and Belt can come up and play every day. But with so many uncertainties (Huff, Cabrera, Pagan) it seems prudent to explore every option.
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I'm in
I’m probably low on the totem pole with 1045 draft points (i think i did that right)
by travis j bagdad on Feb 16, 2012 9:34 AM PST reply actions
Can we trade our adopted son for a pick? If so I might be interested in trading Kickham. Any one interested?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions
If I'm in does that mean I have to throw Goldfarb back on the pile?
I’ve got 12,329 draft points BTW.
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Yes, you would. Although. you’ll have a fairly low draft slot. On the other hand, I don’t imagine anybody else is clamoring for Goldfarb so if there’s nobody that you really want still on the board when you draft then you can always grab him again.
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Is there a draft order as it stands now?
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by Cody_ransom on Feb 17, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know about this whole trading players for picks. Ya’all do realize that there are only 2 people trying to run this whole thing. One is a full time student, and one is a full time worker-type person, I helped at first but I’m out of it now.
Have some pity on the people trying to make this work – or volunteer to help!
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by Merope on Feb 16, 2012 4:45 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yes...Y'all need to listen to Merope
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Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Maybe so...but you are correct.
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Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 16, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I completely agree.
And, thank you so much, nvsfg, for all the lists.
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I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Yes, I realize that, and I have helped out.
I helped put together the initial list of available draftees, and have also edited the current version. I also have a nice color-coded version with prospect status available upon request :)
Besides, I don’t see why the trading players for picks things should up the overhead at all.
Me. Count me in
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by Caine Black Knife on Feb 16, 2012 6:23 PM PST reply actions
Also, i forgot who i drafted last year. I might have still had Bengie. =-(
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by The Enchanter on Feb 17, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
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