A Giants-Centric View of the Hall
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 9, 2012 2:23 PM PST
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PrintThe Hall of Fame something blah blah blah something outrage thrilled outrage about time when will it be time outrage not in my America.
Now that we have that out of the way, I'd just like to point out that I'm sort of fascinated with the Hall of Fame. It's a popularity contest, mixed with list-making, crossed with niche-expert pelvis-wagging, and divided by streams of cognitive dissonance shot from a fire hose. Love it, love it, love it. The debate is the best part. I guess there's a museum or something somewhere. I'll have to stop by if I'm ever in the area. But the debates, man, that's what I'm in love with.
I'm a big-Hall guy. The more the merrier. Maybe this is related to me being a Will Clark fan, but I wouldn't have a problem with Don Mattingly and Larry Walker in the Hall. Bobby Grich and Dale Murphy. Let 'em all in, and I'll buy more shirts at the gift shop*. That's not everyone's view of what the Hall should be, and I respect that.
And the best way to put the Hall of Fame into perspective is this: Will Clark isn't in. When I was growing up, Will Clark was the most famous man alive. He was John Wayne in a JFK exoskeleton, and his purpose on this planet was to give little children hope and joy. In his first at-bat in the majors, he took Nolan Ryan out of the Astrodome center field, which was 589 feet away from home plate, if I remember correctly. He was the best.
He's not a Hall of Famer. When he was playing, Clark was the Hall-of-Fameriest player in the game, at least from this Bay Area-centric perspective. When he was having his best years, Clark was the embodiment of the Hall of Fame -- a natural talent doing things that few before him could do. When a guy like that can't really come close to being inducted, it makes you realize how long a great player has to be great in order to get elected.
Which is all a long-winded intro to say this: There's a really, really, really, really great chance that the Giants currently don't have a Hall-of-Famer on the team right now. And while that's not a shocking statement, it's sort of weird to think about.
Matt Cain would have to stick around for another ten or fifteen years, doing exactly what he's doing now. Tim Lincecum would have to avoid that Bret Saberhagen/David Cone pit that swallows so many young pitchers. Madison Bumgarner is still futzing around with the first paragraph in the novel of his career -- he's just as likely to hit for the cycle and steal four bases in a game as he is to stay healthy and effective enough to be elected. Pablo Sandoval and Buster Posey have the preternatural talent, but so did 1,000 other guys over the last couple of decades.
Things happen. Baseball happens. Life happens. This isn't meant to be a depressing post -- far from it. These players are all great players who will define what it was like to be Giants fan, but there's still a great chance that they won't ever get into the Hall of Fame. Thinking of that gives you a flash of context that you might not have had before, and it sort of makes me respect the Hall a little bit more.
We watched Bonds, and we watched Kent; we knew what we were watching with the former, but didn't really know with the latter until he was gone. I hope that if any of Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Sandoval, or Pill forge a Hall-of-Fame career, I realize what I'm watching while it's going on. (An aside: The 1964 Giants had six Hall of Famers on the roster, with five of them occasionally playing in the same game. The Braves had two -- three, if you count Joe Torre, who will make it as a manager. Nine Hall of Famers in one game. That's pretty cool.)
The Hall of Fame is filled with players better than Will Clark. It's filled with people who did Tim Lincecum things for 12 years; it's filled with Matt Cains who did them for 18; it's filled with Camp Panda survivors who lasted for decades. There's a chance that one or more of the current Giants will be in the Hall. That would be amazing. There's a better chance, though, that none of them will, and that makes me appreciate how exclusive the Hall of Fame really is.
And in case you were wondering, this is why people get so fired up about Jack Morris.
*I would like to borrow some money for the Hall of Fame and plane tickets and shirts. E-mail me for details.
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In theory I'd be a small-Hall guy
But since these nincompoops can’t figure out the right people to put in, I’m a big Hall guy
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Jan 9, 2012 2:29 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I forget who said it, but...
it was either Mark Grace or Brett Butler during the 1989 playoffs that said “the difference between Kevin Mitchell and Will Clark is that Mitchell is a great player having an MVP year and Will Clark is a great player going to the Hall of Fame”….
sigh……
I hope that if any of Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Posey, Sandoval, or Pill forge a Hall-of-Fame career
/sees what you did there
he’s not in already?
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 9, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'm more of a big Boobs guy.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
/in this line
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
Not everyone is in this line
Some like big butts and they cannot lie
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I agree with the gentleman who mixes a lot.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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Gentleman? Show some respect, he has been knighted.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
obligatory /glances
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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by can of corn on Jan 9, 2012 3:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I'VE GOT MOOBS LIKE JAGGER
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Let’s all talk about Thierry Henry!
ALL HAIL, ALL HAIL
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
Didn’t watch the game, but what a great return to the Gunners for Henry.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 3:00 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Still got it, baby.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Random thought:
Could a female ever play in a legitimate major league soccer league?
Soccer seems like a sport where size and height do not necessarily prevail. If a female had the skills of someone like Messi, I can see her doing well.
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Sorry, but this is ridiculous.
Messi is ridiculously fast, quick, has world class balance and, surprisingly, has the strength to ride out malicious tackles from every direction.
This isn’t to suggest a woman could never do it. Just that your premise that soccer is better suited to it than most sport is faulty. I would suggest a women would sooner be able to succeed in professional mens baseball than soccer.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah not to mention most women don’t have the height needed to compete for headers, or the strength needed to jostle for the ball when running side by side.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The height thing is not really an issue because Messi is pretty short.
I can see a female soccer player have the quickness and balance of Messi but not necessary the strength.
I am not asking whether a female player can be Messi just good enough to be a regular.
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The level of play is completely different, if the US womens national team played a bottom of the table side from England they would get slaughtered. Maybe some of the top female players could play in a terrible league like the USL.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 3:45 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I thought Buster Posey was already a hall-of-famer.
And Timmy is going to the Hall.
Cain isn’t.
Sandoval might.
Brian Wilson will if he has another 10 good years. (popularity contest)
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by positiveuphemism on Jan 9, 2012 2:46 PM PST reply actions
Relief pitchers don’t have that many good years.
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Unless they are Mariano Rivera, of course. Sadly, Mariano Riveras are like Tiggers.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Their tops are made out of rubber? Or are their bottoms made out of string?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
If I had to bet one one of those guys listed by Grant to bet on
It would probably be Posey.
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My ranking from most likely to least
1. MadBum (something about him says Randy Johnson type career)
2. Panda (as long he stays in shape, he’ll roll out of bed abd put up big numbers for 10 years)
3. Tim (6 more years of really good and a 3rd Cy Young in there somewhere would probably assure him a spot
4. Matt (like Grant said)
5. Buster I wanted to put him higher, but not sure where
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Yea I agree
I’d throw Buster ahead of Matt. The injury is a question mark, but the guy came up as a 5-6 WAR per year player out of bed (and I don’t think he is done progressing). Matt needs 10 more years, I just think he is less likely.
Blerg
Buster Posey’s never played a full season. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
4th is not too ahead of ourselves
Matt is a great pitcher, but he reminds me of Blyleven, only 15 less years of it.
Buster has the talent, but yea, needs the time.
Blerg
Matt Cain’s been doing it for more than half a decade. It’s far less of a stretch to say that he’ll keep doing that for a long time than it is to say that someone who had two pretty good truncated seasons will be a Hall of Famer.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Cain will get in for sure after getting four seasons in a row as a 20 game winner with the Yankees
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
correction
Cain will get in for sure after getting four seasons in a row as a20 game winnerpitcher with the Yankees
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If a pitcher wins 20 Games but not in the Northeast, does he make a sound?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’d go:
1. Tim Lincecum: 2 cy youngs already, very consistent and is a freak
2. Matt Cain: part of top 1-2 pitching combo that stays together for really long time, wins lots of WS, one gets in so the other must as well, consistent over a long career
3. Buster Posey: recovers from freak injury early in his career, plays 5-6 years at catcher, one of best in game, moves to first base (belt to of) for final 10 years of career and puts up decent enough numbers
4. Pablo Sandoval: great numbers but never gets respect for some unknown reason
5. Madison Bumgarner: doesn’t know how to win
Madison Bumgarner: doesn’t know how to win
If this is a consideration, Matt Cain might as well give up now.
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Not many 3Bs in the hall
I had Panda ranked higher becuase it’s not that much of a stretch seeing him becoming one of the best at the position (if not the best) for an extended period
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Zimmerman, Longoria, and Sandoval are the 3 best young players. Beltre and A-Rod are the best among the older group of players. Maybe you count Youkillis in that group.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Never upset the greek god of walks
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I more meant in terms of whether you consider him a third baseman for purposes of Hall debate. The only reason he isn’t playing first base right now is because it is occupied by Adrian Gonzalez.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It’s crazy to me that Sandoval is younger than both of them.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
If I was the Giants, I’d extend Sandoval right now. Don’t wait for him to get closer to FA. Buy that shit out RIGHT NOW.
If you believe the conventional wisdom, he’s still 4 seasons away from his peak years.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Unfortunately
The Giants have a knack for bad big contracts, not good ones. I’ll bet some of the people who want those years bought out now would have no problem beating on them about it later if it goes badly.
Would you put Pablo’s extension up as a higher priority than any other Giant?
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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
The key with Buster
is whether he stays as a catcher.
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He will if he can
At least until he can get his first big FA contract.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
I would say Posey and Lincecum have the two best shots. But there are a ton of “ifs” with Lincecum.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
Ifs and nuts
I think there’s more of ‘em with Posey. I mean, Timmeh’s already got two Cy’s and that magnificent postseason. Buster’s HOF-level accomplishments are almost completely ahead of him.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Matt Cain
Based on his current run rate, he will need to pitch for 23 more years to surpass 300 wins. Then and only then will he get my vote.
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
And so concludes my commentary on milestone-based hall of fame vote-gettery.
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by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
MY WILL CLARK CARDS
Let me show them to you!
The Thrill, the Natural, Nuschler. Will is in the Hall of My Baseball Heart. Total members: one.
The guy who has the most hits in MLB history isn’t in the Hall of Fame. And soon, the guy who has the most home runs will not be in the Hall of Fame. Will Clark doesn’t need to be associated with a shitty museum like that. If there’s a Hall of Baseball Awesomeness, Will would be in it.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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by ResDog on Jan 9, 2012 2:55 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Should have kept Will
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you Will not keep Will and you Will like it.
Will
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
Should have kept Will
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
the only person player who’d make me as upset as when the Giants let Clark go would be Cain
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
That’s sort of where I was going with my trolling.
How long until we start seeing KEEP CAIN signs?
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s 50-50 whether he is a Giant in 2013.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Matt Cain, along with Buster Posey, is the heart and soul of the team. I mean, losing Torres was pretty hard to take. I don’t think I could support a team owned by people who aren’t even willing to spend money to keep it’s own best players. Not when they are a top money maker. Not when they refuse to spend on free agents who could make them an instant post season contender.
They’ve got Rowand, Huff, Zito, Sanchez, Affeldt etc.. coming off the books over the next few years. It would be inexcusable to let a durable, consistent, mature, world class professional like Cain go. If they do, I say FUCK THE GIANTS. I’ve got my 2010 memories to keep me company.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
And it seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to keep Cain. He doesn’t seem to be as highly regarded as Lincecum among all of baseball, and it seems like he’d be cheaper to keep than Lincecum. People have said somewhere along the lines of a CJ Wilson contract, maybe a little more…I don’t think that’s unreasonable at all. It’s not like you’re giving out Zito money to two players….It’s more like one Zito contract and one Rowand contract. Except, you know, for two players that are actually good.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think you understand
Cain will get at least Zito money.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But he is already getting 15 million
Lincecum will get $20 million or so.
To sign them long term would just be an extra $5-7 million AAV. That’s easily covered by the Rowand money. Not to mention the Zito money coming off in 2014.
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I don’t think easily get Zito money, didn’t zito get something like 22 million at the end of a 7 year contract? Do you think Cain is gonna get 7 years?
Uh, yes
Cain is 1) Younger than Zito was 2) Better than Zito was.
And it’s 4 years later. Of course he’s going to get more money than Zito.
And don’t get hung up on the specific dollars per year. Cain will get more total value than Zito.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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I would say
that Zito got a lot more hype than Cain especially with the Cy Young. But of course, the Giants did massively overpay for Zito even in 2007.
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oh i didn’t look close enough at your comment, i can see him getting a better average dollar per year, and more money, but not a 7 year deal. also, i think signing cain to a long-term deal will term out much better than the zito deal fwiw.
Sure
But the same reasons why Cain would be a better guy to sign than Zito was are the reasons why Cain will get more money than Zito.
If I were Cain, my negotiations with the Giants start at 6/120 and go no lower. He could get at least that on the open market.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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I'd consider Cain taking 6/120 a 'Hometown Discount', frankly
I think if he hits the market next year (depending on whether Hamels is out there with him, as they are exceptionally similarly talented), he could get his price up to the 130-140 range, especially with the Yankees as a bidder.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’d be very surprised if anyone signed him for 7+, $20M per. Remember that not everyone in baseball thinks he’s the second coming of Buster Jesus like we do.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I always wonder
If this board had existed in 1993 would there be more advocates to keep Will or Robby. I mean, positional scarcity was a known argument then… it’s only gotten more popular.
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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Despite the superior “positional scarcity” that came with Robby Thompson, I would have re-signed Will Clark if given the choice. Thompson was coming off a career year in ’93, well above his career norms, one he was not likely to repeat. Clark was coming off a down season, one he was likely to rebound from. Thompson was 31, Clark 29.
On the other hand, I’m not sure how much of the decision might have been driven by personal conflicts between Clark and Bonds.
Jason Kendall's never going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, so it's not particularly likely that Buster Posey will
Tim Lincecum has to continue being good for the next decade; it would help if he had a couple of seasons like 2008 and 2009 mixed in. Matt Cain has to be Matt Cain for a decade and a half, which seems plausible because Matt Cain.
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which seems plausible because Matt Cain
This really sold it for me.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
But
Craig Biggio is close.
Kendall had some very good years but has been pretty meh for most of his career.
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This is fact
The first 11 years of Kendall’s career were basically what I’d like out of Posey in my wildest dreams, and Kendall isn’t particularly close to being a HOF’er.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
From 96-2004 Kendall was a plus-defending catcher who hit .306/.387/.418
I’d be ecstatic if Posey approached that.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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He was also pretty speedy, especially for a catcher.
No chance of that for Buster, I’m afraid.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 9, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Offense was cheap in those days, though. Kendall’s wRC+ for those years was 113. Posey’s so far is 114.
I don’t think he was ever considered a particularly good defensive catcher, either.
I don’t think he was ever considered a particularly good defensive catcher, either.
This is what I remember about Kendall as well.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Sure
But narrowing it down a bit more, in his first 6 seasons (AKA the same amount of time we have Posey), including an injury-shortened 1999 season where he busted his ankle (sounds familiar!), Kendall was worth 21.8 WAR total.
Posey’s been worth 5.3 so far, which means that for Posey to be as good as Kendall was for his first 6 years, he’d need to put up 16.5 WAR over the next 4, averaging over 4 WAR per season.
I don’t see that happening, and thus don’t really project Posey to be better than Kendall.
For the record, though, it looks like you were right about defense. Kendall’s WAR is negatively impacted by some poor defensive skills.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m super-skeptical about UZR for catchers. In this case, though, the numbers match what I remember of his rep: He was no Piazza with the glove, but he was definitely in there for his bat.
It isn't UZR they use
I think they use stolen base runs or something from the Fielding Bible.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This
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Why bar injury?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Yeah, seriously.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
because the last one really sucked, i don’t want badass posey to go through another traumatic experience like that
But, uh, it could happen. So why discount its possibility entirely?
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I like war in that it seems to be a fairly easy way to look at someone’s value with a complicated set of mathematics behind it that I am completely ignorant of. But looking at Kendall’s 1999 season, he played in 79 games and was worth 4.1 war. that is crazy, impressive. Walk % 11.4, K % 9.6. wtf? Posey has more power, already more homeruns in a season than Kendall, Kendall had the speed as well as crazy high batting averages and obp. and posey is probably a better defender too.
I would be happy if Posey hit for what Kendall did those first seasons, even with the same amount of power.
I will bet you $1.5 million Schrute bucks that Lincecum is the only one on this team that will make the HOF.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
what's the conversion rate
to McCoven Dollars?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
lincecum just needs one more cy young to guarantee HOF imo
There has only been 8 pitchers in the history of baseball with 3+ Cy Youngs.
4 were 1st ballot HOFers
the other 4 are Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Maddux and Randy Johnson
If I may point out the obvious, winning a Cy Young is really hard
Lincecum might have another year like his Cy Young years again, but it seems like he’s settled down into a pitcher who is still very good but not quite as good as he used to be. It’s happened to plenty of pitchers for various reasons: Fernando Valenzuela, Bret Saberhagen, Dwight Gooden, etc. I’m not saying he’ll be just like any of them, but it’s quite possible that he’s not an elite pitcher any longer.
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Settled down?
I don’t know if you can say his last two is his pattern if the previous two weren’t.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Based on his age and skillset, I’m once again going to throw my lot in with Pablo.
He’s Vladimir Guerrero as a switch-hitting, potentially plus fielding third baseman. If 2009/2011 are the real Panda, then he’s a guy hitting 140 wRC+ or OPS+ at age 22-24. Two 5.5 fWAR seasons. 14 fWAR entering his age 25 season. A peak season or two where he puts up 8 WAR and hits 35 bombs, plus good hitting into his mid-30s would put him on the doorstep. And I think those things are doable for Sandoval.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
And
If he keeps playing GG level defense, that should help…
I know there is some debate on here as to whether Pablo’s defense will stay at its current level, since the sample size is still not sufficiently large.
But I remain bullish on his defensive ability. Dude has great reflexes, and I imagine his first step has come a long way since he picked up the position a few years ago.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Buster and Timmy
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 3:03 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
The actual Hall is awesome, BTW
OK, the hall itself is just a bunch of plaques, but the museum and exhbitis are fascinating. Mrs. Goofus’ fandom is pretty casual and she enjoyed it immensely. The little town of Cooperstown is fun to stroll around in. This is something we didn’t allow enough time for when we went.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I want to go to there.
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by can of corn on Jan 9, 2012 3:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes it is.
Plus I got to go practically for free. My father-in-law and brother-in-law are huge Padres fans (otherwise they’re pretty good people). So when Tony Gwynn got inducted, my father-in-law cashed in his airline miles and hotel points so him, his son, and I could go to NYC for a few days and then a couple of days in Cooperstown.
It was hot as shit during the induction ceremony, but seeing all of the artifacts in the museum was awesome. Oh yeah, I also got to chat with, and get autographs from, The Count and Vida Blue too. That was a fun trip.
I went to the HOF in 1991
… and was blown away. Frankly, I had been on a break from museums and hadn’t realized how good they were getting across the board. Just happened to be staying in the Catskills with my girlfriend, and “What’s this in our B&B tip sheet? Cooperstown is right over there!”
And as a bonus, they happened to be filming the final scene of “A League of Their Own” while I was there.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Amerika
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For me this would be the United Cites of the Bay Area.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
*The United Cities of the Bay Area dammit
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
This might be a change for Costas
He now says that, while he considers Bonds’ last few seasons not authentic, his numbers until 1998 is better than those who are in the Hal and after the first 2 or 3 years on the Hall ballot, he would vote him in along with Clemens.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Still stupid
If he’s good enough to be in the Hall of Fame, he’s good enough to be in the Hall of Fame. How does that change after two or three years?
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He was at a point where he wouldn’t even put him in at all.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Kent is on the ballot for 2014. For the humor, I want him and Bonds to go in the same year.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I want them to pose for a photo and shake hands while grinning/gritting their teeth
Because it’d be hilarious. Both of those guys were assholes. My two favorite professional athlete assholes, but assholes nonetheless.
YOU SURE SHOWED THEM, COSTAS
I’ll say it again. Even if you assume that Bonds’ career would have ENDED after the ‘98 season, he’s still a Hall of Famer. Put him in, or get your damn head checked.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Between 1992-1998
Bonds had a OPS above 1.000 and only one season of SLG below .600 (.585 in 1997)
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Through the 1998 season, Barry Lamar Bonds had accrued 101.3 career fWAR. Over that span of 13 seasons, averaged 7.8 WAR per season. Two seasons over 10 fWAR, and led the league in rWAR times. Lead the league in slugging 3 times. Led the league in OBP 4 times. Lead the league in OPS 5 times. Led the league in walks 5 times. He had 411 home runs and 445 stolen bases. Three seasons he had fewer than 20 home runs and stolen bases, all of which happened before the age of 25. 8-time All-Star, 8 Gold Gloves, 7 Silver Sluggers, and 3 NL MVPs.
It’s really a no-brainer.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Should have been 4 NL MVPs
stupid Terry Pendleton.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I hated that also
But I take solace in assuming that somehow made Bonds more affordable for the Giants.
Ultra-projectable
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by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
In the mid-90s, Bonds was the highest paid player in the sport, making over $8M per year.
Fuck inflation in the earhole.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I meant at the time of signing him in '93
Instead of having won the MVP 3 years running, he won it in 90 and 92.
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by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I know. I just noticed the salary thing while perusing his B-R page. It’s like… 8.5 million? Edgar Renteria made more than that in 2009.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think it was 6yrs and $44 million initially. Or 1.2 Affeldts per year.
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by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Mays
made $1.8 million total for his 22 seasons.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Yeah, that's slightly different though.
Pre-Kurt Flood; plus, the 60s are 2011 are epochs apart in baseball time.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Imma go cry in the corner now....
lolold
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
*led the league in rWAR 7 times.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Costas on Bonds
"I don’t think it’s all of a sudden," Costas replied. "It took people in the media a long time to catch on, but the steroid era is now an established notion, and while Barry Bonds is far from the only one — there were hundreds — some we know about, some we suspect, others aren’t even on the radar screen," Costas said. "There were hundreds that used, but Barry Bonds, because of his greatness and because of the impending record, is the symbol of it."
http://www.americansportscastersonline.com/costasbondsfeud.html
First of all, I greatly appreciate the intelligence, eloquence, and wit you bring to sports journalism. My son and I both savor the interviews you conduct in Studio 42. Would you please identify other players — both current and former, perhaps — whom you’d like to interview and explain why you’d like to interview these particular individuals?
— Damon, Parker
Costas: Well, I think Barry Bonds is out there as a potentially newsworthy and fascinating interview. I’m not sure exactly where I stand with Barry these days; there was a time when I was among the few people he would sit down with, but that may have changed in the interim and I imagine he’s not going to talk to anybody until his situation is resolved one way or the other, but he’d be on that list.
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And finally a conversation with JoPo
“(Barry) Bonds and (Roger) Clemens are two of the best who ever played the game. If not for the steroid noise that surrounds them, you could make a viable argument that they are simply the two best ever.”
I should say that my thinking, when I wrote the line, was simply that if you took their numbers and performances at face value, you could make the viable argument that they are the two best ever. Bob, though, read it differently. He thought that I was actually saying without steroids Bonds and Clemens are two of the best ever, perhaps even THE two best ever. This did not bother him so much for Clemens, but it did bother him for for Bonds. He strongly disagrees.
We’ve had similar discussions before, and if I could summarize his thought, I think it goes something like this (and I am reworking this a little bit to get Bob’s opinion more precisely): Barry Bonds in 1998 was a great player. Truly great. But there was no argument to make for him as the best ever. In Bob’s words: He certainly wasn’t Ruth; he didn’t hit like Williams or Musial; as great an all-around player as he was he was not Mays and his career did not have the totality of Aaron. Bob thinks Bonds of 1998 could certainly be in the discussion as one of the 10 or 12 best non-pitchers of all time. But there was no argument for him as the very best. And there is no argument that can be made for him as the very best NOW either without steroids.
http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/07/saving-bonds.html
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That's great
so that means Costas would vote Bonds in the HOF first ballot, as he was one of the 10-12 best players in the history of BASEBALL!!!
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I would have to say that Babe Ruth has to be the best player
Considering his 164.6 oWAR in 22 seasons and had a 7.4 and 5.6 rWAR as a pitcher!
That’s like Timmy deciding to stopping being a pitcher and then proceed to be Barry Bonds for the next 20 years.
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Given Timmy’s current approach at the plate, that would be really something!
Well, maybe he can pin his hypothetical hopes on being a better right-fielder than the Babe.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Unfortunately for us, this would also mean selling Lincecum to the Yankees because the Giants ownership group needs the money to cover their Spiderman the Musical losses.
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by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
What if you put 1993-1998 BLB into 1927. Ruth couldn't hold Barry's jock.
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Ruth always wins every argument because before he was a great hitter, he was a great pitcher. So while Bonds stats might look better career-wise, Ruth also pitched. Just imagine what his career HR title would be if he just started as a hitter.
Plus, there’s got to be extra numbers attached to what he did considering he was drunk, chasing showgirls, and eating way too much all at the same time
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
I still can’t decide whether Ruth was that good, or the rest of the league was that bad.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is a valid question
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Ruth wins every argument
The biggest counterargument I can come up with is, “What if his hitter value was greater than his pitching value? Then his pitching years actually COST him in lifetime value because he never really did both full time.”
I think the “played both ways” argument appeals to us intuitively, but it’s not a max value argument.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this
Barry Bonds in 1998 was a great player. Truly great. But there was no argument to make for him as the best ever. In Bob’s words: He certainly wasn’t Ruth; he didn’t hit like Williams or Musial; as great an all-around player as he was he was not Mays and his career did not have the totality of Aaron. Bob thinks Bonds of 1998 could certainly be in the discussion as one of the 10 or 12 best non-pitchers of all time. But there was no argument for him as the very best. And there is no argument that can be made for him as the very best NOW either without steroids.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Even if you accept this ridiculous premise
This still makes Bonds a 1st ballot inductee.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Litmus test.
Was Tony Gwynn one of the 10-12 greatest non-pitchers ever? No?
Put Bonds in the Hall, you assholes.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
by Solidarity on Jan 9, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
without steroids
And there is no argument that can be made for him as the very best NOW either without steroids.
Isn’t this an impossible argument? Don’t you have to project what he would have hit after 1998 in a steroid-free game? You can’t just pretend he died then.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Posnanski had an interview with him on his Pozcast that brought up Costas’ view of old and new players, and has mentioned since that Costas doesn’t have a moral issue with steroids, he just doesn’t think the numbers are legitimate. Take it for what you will.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Which is bullshit
Are all the offensive numbers from the 1930s also illegitimate?
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
McNuggets
Dave Zirin on NPR January 26, 2011:
"Scientists have attempted to use testosterone to build muscle going back more than 1,000 years, but the modern era of steroids starts in 1889 when prominent French scientist Charles Edouard Brown-Sequard tried to figure out how to increase the strength and mass of workers in the service of the industrial revolution. Brown-Sequard began to inject himself with a liquid extract derived from the testosterone of dogs and guinea pigs. He claimed that the injections "increased [his] physical strength and intellectual energy, relieved [his] constipation and even lengthened the arc of [his] urine."
"…As the sporting industry exploded in the 1920s, athletic trainers and their charges immediately saw the possibilities of using his research. Even the Big Bambino himself, Babe Ruth, injected himself with extract from a sheep’s testicles, hoping for increased power at the plate (and in the bedroom). He attempted this only once, and it made him incredibly ill; the Yankees covered the story by telling the press that the Babe just had one of his famous bellyaches. Even though the Yankees tend to celebrate all things Babe Ruth, they have never, to my knowledge, had "Sheep Testicles Day" at the stadium."
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
that's really unfortunate
they plump when you cook ’em!
by wcw on Jan 9, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Ron Kroichick, Chronicle Staff Writer May 3, 2005:
(Tom)House(pitched 1971- 78), later an accomplished pitching coach with Texas(Rangers) and now co-founder of the National Pitching Association near San Diego, said performance- enhancing drugs were widespread in baseball in the 1960s and ‘70s. He and his teammates laughed and rationalized losses by saying, "We didn’t get beat, we got out-milligrammed. And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them."
House described the dynamic as similar to the majors in recent years: Players knew their competition had chemical help and felt compelled to keep pace. He said he and several teammates used amphetamines (known as “greenies”), human growth hormone and “whatever steroid” they could find.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I find it mystifying that speed is shrugged off the way it is. Have the high moralizers never met a tweaker or something?
by wcw on Jan 9, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. Either that or willfully romanticizing the “golden age.”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Gun to my head I tend to go pop-psych (oh, how I wish that were a musical term like it usually is) and plump (heh) for penis envy.
by wcw on Jan 9, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
New York Times February 28, 2006
Amphetamines “have been around the game forever,” the Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt writes in his new book, “Clearing the Bases,” which HarperCollins will publish next month. “In my day,” he says, they “were widely available in major-league clubhouses.”
…
At a drug trial in Pittsburgh in 1985, Dale Berra and Dave Parker testified that Willie Stargell and Bill Madlock dispensed greenies to their Pirates teammates. John Milner told the jury that Willie Mays had a bottle of red juice, or liquid amphetamines, in his locker when they played for the Mets.
Peter Ueberroth, then the commissioner, opted not to believe their testimony. But the pills were readily available in all clubhouses, often dispensed by team trainers and other medical personnel.
“They were obtainable with a prescription,” Schmidt writes, “but be under no illusion that the name on the bottle always coincided with the name of the player taking them before game time.”
The pills energized players, helped get them through a tough series of games, a 162-game schedule played in 182 days. The only thing a player had to do was make sure he didn’t take a pill prematurely. Players like to tell of teammates who took pills before games, then had the games rained out and spent the rest of the night climbing walls.
Schmidt doesn’t acknowledge in the book that he used greenies, but in a telephone interview Sunday, he said, “A couple times in my career I bit on it.”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Bouton’s “Ball Four” 1970:
-“We’ve been running short of greenies. We don’t get them from the trainer, because greenies are against club policy. So we get them from players on other teams … or friends … One of our lads is going to have a bunch of greenies mailed to him by some of the guys on the Red Sox.”
-“At dinner, Don Mincher, Marty Pattin and I discussed greenies. They came up because O’Donoghue had just received a season supply of 500. ‘That ought to last about a month,’ I said.”
-“‘Minch, how many major-league ballplayers do you think take greenies?’ I asked. ‘Half? More?’ ‘Hell, a lot more than half,’ he said. ‘Just about the whole Baltimore teams takes them. Most of the Tigers. Most of the guys on this club. And that’s just what I know for sure.’”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
AP May 22, 2005
“On one of the teams, almost everyone was taking them,” (Jim)Bouton told AP recently from his home in Egremont, Mass. “They were used pretty liberally.”
He wrote of one player who suddenly went berserk on the field.
“The comment in the bullpen was, ‘His greenies kicked in,’ " Bouton said. “Another time a game got rained out and a player said, ’I’ve got two greenies in me now and I’ve got to work these off somehow. So it looks like it’s going to be a late night on the town.’ It was just part of the culture.”
Some of the greenies actually were green, others were little red hearts, he said.
“Those you could get from the trainer,” he said. “The trainer would pass out the amphetamines.”
A number of the Yankees in the 1960s were using greenies, Bouton claimed, saying “mostly it was a private transaction in the trainer’s room.”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
AP Oct 2, 2006:
Pete Rose says he took “greenies” in his playing days, if only to lose a few pounds. Oh, and he doesn’t bet on baseball anymore, but if he did, he’d pick the Twins and the Padres.
In an appearance on the Late Show taped Monday, Rose was asked by host David Letterman whether he ever used any performance-enhancing drugs as a player. Rose said he never did, but when prodded about “greenies,” explained that he used them — though they were nothing more than “diet pills.”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
September 13, 1985
The locker of baseball Hall of Fame member Willie Mays was a source of amphetamines when Mays played with the New York Mets in 1973, retired outfielder John Milner testified Thursday in a federal cocaine trafficking trial.
The former Met said his first introduction to a liquid amphetamine called “red juice” was from a bottle he took from Mays’ locker.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
New York Daily News January 16, 2005:
Baseball seasons were expanded from 154 to 162 games in 1961, which was roughly the time U.S.-born players traveling to the Dominican Republic in the winter discovered “red juice.” The drink was believed to be laced with amphetamines, and it was a hit.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
The Hank Aaron Story Hank Aaron 1992
Hank Aaron: “I was so frustrated that at one point I tried using a pep pill "a greenie" that one of my teammates gave me.”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
New York Times April 22, 2003:
‘’People might think there is a steroid problem in baseball, but it’s nowhere near the other problem; the other, it’s a rampant problem,’’ said Tony Gwynn, the former San Diego Padres outfielder who estimated that 50 percent of position players regularly use amphetamines, commonly called greenies.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
A veteran major leaguer, who said he thought the union’s position on drug testing accurately reflected the views of most players, estimated that as many as 75 percent of baseball players are using amphetamines regularly.
Another player said he had taken a pill from a teammate before a night game several years ago. In the middle innings, he said, he felt his heart begin to race. ‘’He was pretty scared,’’ a friend recalled. ‘’He didn’t get to sleep until the next day.’’
A general manager in the National League said he assumed most of his players took amphetamines. ‘’And it’s not just the uppers that worry me,‘’ he said. ’’What I wonder about is, how are they coming down? If they take that stuff before a game, what are they doing so they can get some sleep? You worry about other pills, alcohol, pot.’’
Gwynn told a story to illustrate his sense of how desperate some players are to improve their performance. When San Diego was on the road during one of Gwynn’s final seasons, he walked into a visitors clubhouse and found the floor littered with amphetamines.
‘’There were a bunch of pills lying all over the floor,’’ he said. ‘’There had been another team in there just before us, and evidently, they’d left these greenies behind. Our guys were like, ‘Hey, wait, wait, don’t throw those out.’ ’’
Players call them greenies, whether the pills are actually green or white or some other color.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
New York Times November 18, 2005:
(Bud)Selig said he first learned about amphetamines while he was in the Milwaukee Braves’ clubhouse in 1958.
“We all know that amphetamines have been around a long time,” said Selig.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
AP May 20, 2005
Bud Selig: “I was a young kid who walked into the Milwaukee Braves clubhouse and I heard about it. That was 1958, so that’s 47 years ago. You can talk to people that go four, five and six decades back.”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
David Wells autobiography 2003
David Wells: “A lot of guys will buy themselves a season-long stockpile at one time. We’re talking about hundreds and hundreds of pills…”
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Reading! them is some stories
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
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ESPN December 28, 2007:
During his brief time in Seattle, (Shane)Monahan(a couple of short stints with the Seattle Mariners over parts of two seasons in the late 1990s) came to believe steroid use was widespread in the Mariners’ clubhouse, although he refuses to identify those he suspects were using. The Mitchell report identified a handful of players whose tenures overlapped with his in Seattle, including Ryan Franklin, Glenallen Hill, David Segui and Todd Williams.
Monahan says that back then, Major League Baseball had yet to tighten access to clubhouses, and that many players regularly worked out with their personal trainers while using team facilities.
“In locker rooms,” he says, “you kind of look at your teammates and go, ‘Well, he is on it. He’s on it. Well, he might be on it.’ And it is kind of like you don’t really say anything. You don’t go up to somebody and say, ‘Hey, are you taking steroids?’ They’ll slap you.”
Sources for steroids and amphetamines, he says, floated freely through the Seattle clubhouse. They were friends of team members who, at the time, had access to the players’ sanctuary. He remembers paying cash, and even bartered baseball gear, for steroids and amphetamines.
“There were two or three guys,” he says of the suppliers, though he says he is unable to recall their names. “You’d go up to them and say, ‘Hey, I need some greenies. What is it going to take?’ Well, it might be 100 bucks here. It is a jersey here, or a dozen baseballs and two bats. And you’d give it to him.”
Asked if (Lou)Piniella knew about that clubhouse culture, Monahan says, “Yeah, I think so. I think he knew everything that was going on in his locker room. I just think he turned a shoulder to it and really didn’t care.”
…
One recently retired player said of amphetamine use, “If they’re including guys that used greenies, they ain’t got enough paper to print all that.”
Monahan says dietary pills and amphetamines were far more readily accessible than steroids and growth hormone. He recalls playing winter ball in Mexico and returning with boxes of amphetamines that helped get him through the next season.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
High mound pitching stats are no good?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Just about every "era" has its eccentricities/quirks
You have to judge the player within his era.
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I obviously can’t prove it but it seems like mound level might have as significant an impact as PEDs.
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
Not to mention any concerns about pre-integration records.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Or games played only in the daytime.
Or having to take trains across the country instead of planes.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 9, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
"Across the country"
How many teams were even west of PA at that point?
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AL: Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Browns
NL: Reds, Cubs, Cardinals
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So, St. Louis was the westernmost?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
They didn’t go west of St. Louis until 1958.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
How many players on a single team are allowed to be in the
Best shape of his life®
?
Is it more than the number of rock visionaries per band?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
And also, can you be the best shape of someone else's life?
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
What having the time of your life?
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It’s something unpredictable but in the end it’s right
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
No I've never felt this way before
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You obviously have never put Baby in a corner.
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Do you swear it's the truth?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
OT
I keep seeing ads on TV for Portlandia on IFC. Anyone see that? If so, how is it and what’s it like?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It is a quirky sketch show. I prefer to watch individual sketches on Hulu rather than whole episodes because it gets a little grating when you watch too many in a row.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
THIS TIMES A MILLION
My roommate loves it. It’s a one note joke that’s very funny, but dear god I’m done after 10 minutes.
Yep
They do a good job of nailing certain types, but you can only take so much at one time.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
It’s really funny, especially if you’ve lived in the Haight or the Mission and can look out your window and see half the people they’re making fun of. It’s also very hit or miss so they’ll be a skit that’s really good followed by a few that are ridiculously unfunny
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I watched it once and went meh. Good concept, shaky execution.
Anagram of "SF Giants season" = GAS OF NASTINESS
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 9, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
If he had retired in 1997...
…he would have been a shoe in.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/clarkwi02-bat.shtml
The problem is, of course, that he was best in the 1980s, then became merely good, then became only “still better than half of last year’s Giants”
Had he left when his WAR was still in the 2s (or about where people expect Melky Cabrera next year) he would have gone out on a wave of awesome. Sadly, he cruised for many years after heading to Texas in “better than Coco Crisp but not as good as Freddy Sanchez” territory. St. Louis never really fell in love with him and The Thrill just drifted away.
Maybe if he’d won a World Series ring…
Granted his retirement year his WAR was in the 2s...
My own foot, I bite it, but you know what I meant.
Injuries
Clark’s problem was just that he couldn’t stay on the field anymore. You can see it in the season lines: up through 1992 he had 600+ PA and 150+ games per season. After that, never again. He was still a very productive hitter while on the field, but missed too much time to be a Hall of Famer.
I don’t think it was about him hanging on too long — if anything, he should have played LONGER to boost his Hall chances.
I think it's fair to say that if Buster Posey doesn't make the HOF, it's Scott Cousins's fault.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 9, 2012 3:56 PM PST reply actions
Don't hate the player
Hate the game the commissioner’s office.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I refuse to believe
that Duke Snider was ever a Giant.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
xx
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What about
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My eyes!!!!!!
The goggles do nothing!
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
A knock against Timmy's HOFness
Hershier had had better beginning of his career than Timmy: 5 great years in his first six full seasons (1984-1989) with a rWAR of 4.0, 5.8, 2.3, 6.7, 7.3, and 6.9 (and a Cy Young). He then had a injury ridden career between 1991-1997 but still maintained rWAR between 2 and 3.2.
He didn’t even come close to the HOF.
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Timmy by comparison
had rWARs of
2.0 (146 IP), 6.9, 6.3, 3.6, and 4.4.
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it's funny
Laker haters think this jersey tarnishes Karl Malone the player
I’m of the belief that Karl Malone tarnishes the Laker jersey.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
And that’s why everyone hates Lakers fans.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
because they recognize that he’s a biggot and a dirty player?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Karl Malone is a bigot?
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe “bigot” isn’t the right word since this was in a time before much was known about HIV, but he’s still an A-hole
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
No, it’s probably the right word, though ignorant moron works as well. I had forgotten about that, but now I remember.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
also
Malone’s agent, Dwight Manley, told the Los Angeles Times on Sunday that Malone was asked by Vanessa Bryant, “Hey, cowboy, what are you hunting?” in reference to Malone wearing a cowboy hat and boots.
“She said it twice,” Manley said, "and Karl answered, ’I’m hunting for little Mexican girls.’ "
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1944994
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oh
And there’s this, on top of everything.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
by then, NBA had lost its tradition-ness. I mean Pippen was playing for the Blazers
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Pippen was drafted by the Sonics
It was just a return to the Northwest.
Adoptive father of Caleb Hous.... hous... housyourdaddy?
Yeah
but traded before the season started
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Oh i am well aware he never wore that Sonics Jersey
Player movement was nothing new was all i was trying to point out.
Adoptive father of Caleb Hous.... hous... housyourdaddy?
I look at it more like
a turd wrapped in a used condom.
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
Conversely...
This always makes me smile…
…
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
It still weirds me out when I read my copy of Duke's autobiography.
“Wait, what? He played for WHO at the end of his career?”
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Jan 9, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
It’s like when Juan Marichal played for the Dodgers.
Ugh.
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I'm not sure you can call what he did for the Dodgers "pitching," though.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Jan 9, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Keith Law going to town on twitter against Phillies / Flyers beat writer lol
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
My highschool forensics teacher would be proud of the logical fallacy references.
If he can work in ad misericordiam I will be impressed
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Rickey Henderson put up .423 OBP in more than 500 PA at age 40 season
wow.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
He was pretty good.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
127 OPS+
holy shit
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
has his name ever been brought up in the steroids conversation? not saying anything, just curious.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
he haz teh speedz
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
He played in Oakland in the early 80s and early 90s.
People are using less evidence than that to keep Bagwell out.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I see him sometimes at River Cats games coaching first base. I have to remind myself that I’m in the presence of greatness.
I need to scan the picture I have of myself with him when I was 15. You can all laugh at my outfit.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yes please!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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This seems like a win-win.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
SL
I took a picture of the picture. Don’t be too jealous of my hat.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You should take that photo to a game!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I have, but I couldn’t grab him. Hopefully, he’ll be around this season.
@legaleagle88
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Aw, look how cute he is crouching down to be close to your head.
And your had it pretty redonkulous. I’m not sayin’. Just sayin’.
But overall, a pretty fantastic picture.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I think my bangs might actually be the best part.
He was so super duper sweet. I don’t think I realized how lucky I was to be in that picture at the time, but I do now. Also, this was my first ever picture with a baseball player. He started me down my current path!
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
I was gonna say, this picture makes him look like a really nice guy off the field.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
When he’s at Raley Field, he’s always really nice. He says hi to everyone, and chats with the fans and everything.
@legaleagle88
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
He certainly has the arrogant rep for the “greatest of all time” stuff and his on-field play, so this is nice to here.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
*hear
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah, you’d think someone who talks about himself in the 3rd person would be a dick, but that appears to be the opposite of what he is.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
So was his sister's lawsuit dismissed or did he settle with her?
It all seemed to just go quietly away.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Now I really wish I had gotten my picture taken with Sergio Romo when I was 12. It’s too bad we had to leave right after the game.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Sergio is an absolute doll. I don’t have a picture with him for some reason, but I’ve talked to him.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
I was with my Little League team and we were all hanging out by the bullpen at Municipal Stadium when he struck up a conversation. Later he showed me what he had written underneath the brim of his cap. It made me feel special.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
That sounds like him. :)
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of which, do you all think it will be a zoo at FanFest again this year? Last time I went was ’09, and would like to go again… particularly if there is grass on the field.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Probably. Last year, I had a season ticket holder friend get me in early, but I don’t know if we’re going this year. It was pretty crazy.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Be there when the gates open and then get the hell out?
We went in 2010, hadn’t been before, haven’t been since.
Don’t forget to visit the brick!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I don’t even know where the brick is.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
hmmmm something about a palm tree and 3rd street? Lemme see if I can find the fanpost.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
here’s the fanshot
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/6/2616410/since-theres-no-better-way-to-pass-the-time-than-to-stare-at-the
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I don’t think I’m going. I don’t get autographs and I saw the clubhouse when I went two years ago so I’ll wait until opening day to see the ballpark.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
’09 kinda sucked because of the rain and the ramp in left field subbed in for Fred Lewis.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Last year, we literally ran to the Q&A stage in the Club Level, sat in the front row, and never left. It was pretty awesome.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
This did not disappoint.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is awesome.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Thanks!
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Woah, cool! How long ago was this?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I’m pretty sure it was in ’93. Might have been ’92.
Omg, I’m old.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
So old.
/eyeroll
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mrs. owlcroft, I think, is rolling her eyes at both of you.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
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by SFGuy on Jan 9, 2012 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/steps off your lawn
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
/pays you to mow it first, if you have time after your paper route, you young whipper snapper
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Those orange seats is about that era.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I have in my mind that I was 15, so I think it was ’92. It could even have been ’91, though.
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by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
At first I thought this was Grant with Chili Davis.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
hey who photoshopped
the jurassic park girl into the pic?? ;D
by itsAteamGAME on Jan 9, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
I like to imagine that your pants are tiger striped.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
I like how Vandermeer’s response is “well, at least he isn’t playing with himself”
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Dontrelle Willis. $850,000. Plus: $25,000 for five games starts; $25,000 for 10 games started; $50,000 for 15 games started; $50,000 for 20 games started; $100,000 for 25 games started; $100,000 for 30 games staretd; $100,000 for 125 innings pitched; $100,000 for 150 innings pitched; $100,000 for 175 innings pitched; $25,000 for 15 relief appearances; $25,000 for 25 relief appearances; $50,000 for 35 relief appearances; $50,000 for 45 relief appearances; $75,000 for 55 relief appearances; $75,000 for 65 relief appearances; $25,000 for 30 plate appearances as a pinch hitter. Plus: $50,000 for All Star; $100,000 for Cy Young or Rolaids ($75,000-2nd; $50,000-3rd); $25,000 for Gold Glove; $25,000 for Silver Slugger; $100,000 for World SeriesMVP; $50,000 for League Championship Series MVP.
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2012/01/09/willis-montanez-deals/
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Isn’t it ban-worthy just to raise such a question?
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apologies
I see conversations about it, and kind of just skim past it without looking whether you talk about the TV series or the books.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
We are just messing with you. MCC are A Song of Ice and Fire fanboys/fangirls
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Probably a stupid question
are there related series other than Ice & Fire?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
I have never read the books…just watched the series.
But it’s really a joke. Let’s say there are some people who like that series quite a lot. As much as people dislike Rush.
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Rush > Fire and Ice
/doesn’t know anything about either
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You better hope jponry doesn’t see this.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Rush is better than the last book.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
u ded dawg
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
If these are the same people that dislike Rush I think their credibility is pretty much shot.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I feel the ban hammer coming.
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The funny thing about this
Is Rush seem like the type of people that would enjoy these books.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
The book is about socialistic trees?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 9, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
They are a bunch of nerds.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
(SPOILER) there is definitely unrest in the forest in the book and trouble with the trees
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
For some weird reason I am greatly amused by the thought of that song being sung by Tweety Bird.
Deh wis unwest in da fowest
Deh wis twouble wit da twees
Fo da maples want mo sunwight
And de oaks igno der pweas
Anagram of "SF Giants season" = GAS OF NASTINESS
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 9, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for ruining that song for me. Now I’ll never be able to hear that song again without thinking about that
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve tried to read them, but had trouble getting into them. Bogged down with names.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
don't ever read Romance of the Three Kingdoms then lol
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I like playing Dynasty Warriors. I assume that’s not the same thing.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
What?
The 3 Kingdoms era wasn’t fought by a bunch of large breasted women?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 8:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I got it as a Christmas present. God help me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
GG U
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_of_the_Three_Kingdoms
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
All I know is that Lu Bu has come to destroy us.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
CAO CAO!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hahahahahahahahahhahaha.
I seriously saw the list and just started laughing.
I am hoping that having played 4 different Dynasty Warriors games will help at least marginally. Does the book refer to people by style name instead of their given name?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don't know. I read it in Chinese :x
I still read it at least once a year.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Can you read Simplified characters?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Mostly
since most simplified characters exist in traditional list as well, they just use one word in place of, say, 3 other more complicated ones.
But sometimes I struggle a bit reading just single characters. I can pretty much understand everything in context.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
simple Chinese is awful
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 5:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I should expand on that
in Chinese, they use both style name and given names in the novel. I don’t know if they do that for the English translations.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Or Chekhov plays, for that matter.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The name thing killed me. I only got the first book because of the TV show and decided not to sweat a whole bunch of characters because GRRM seems to just throw names out there. One of my problems with the last book is I could never ever remember who was who down in Danyears land
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
All of those names will be relevant, believe it or not.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
oh jesus
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
LOL. You ask this on MCC? You are about to get a ton of responses
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
U R 5
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The ice and fire books are worth reading
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 9, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't read any of them
That probably means they are.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t remember who it was, but the 49ers had a punt returner a few years back who seemed to prefer running sideways to going forward. that’s what the GoT books are like.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
by oldjacket on Jan 9, 2012 6:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Don’t you mean every punt returner they’ve had in all of history (other than Ginn)?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
They’re great….except for A Feast For Crows.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
Is there an important handegg game on tonight?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
No.
The National Championship game is on, though.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is the correct answer.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
The Nat’l Championship. That should be sufficient to make my neighbors obnoxious.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
There’s some game on that’s going to be nowhere near as good as the Oklahoma St. vs. Stanford game.
Less scoring, less future NFL players at skill positions, plus it’s a rematch.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I’m looking forward to the Phantom Menace in 3D Radio Shack Croissant Bowl.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Tortured, you going to get satellite? Get Directv. It’s better than Dish.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah, thanks
My husband has to finish watching the Breaking Bad episodes we put on the DVR first. But yeah, that’s the plan.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Despite the politics of players getting into the Hall of Fame
The actual Hall of Fame is pretty damn awesome; you just get overwhelmed with baseball history. It is great.
And Cooperstown is a pretty cool town.
It pays to be fucking hot as hell apparently
Driving with no license, and expired registration, got pulled over and got away with it. ohhhh yaaaaaaaa!!!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Waitress?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
meanwhile, I get pulled over and slapped with a 300+ dollars ticket
Should have shown some cleavage.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That would have gotten you
two 300+ dollar tickets.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Should have asked wife to show some cleavage
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
And I got a parking ticket at 8-o-fucking clock in the evening.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
OT: coinstar
I just used a Coinstar machine for the first time. What fun!
When I was in law school, I was using the Coinstar on a Saturday night, and ran into two guys from the class below me who were in the store buying booze to take to a party. They mocked me mercilessly for my “Saturday night date with the Coinstar.” I still use it all the time, though.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Those two guys are asswipes.
Today was the easy part — nickels (720) and dimes (1101). Now I’ve got to do about 4000 pennies.
Wow, you’re rich!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
I use those to get Amazon codes
Never trade your coins for cash – they take about 9%.
Anagram of "SF Giants season" = GAS OF NASTINESS
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jan 9, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
This is good advice.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
What commission do they take if you get Amazon pointz?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I’ve been spending tons on streaming stuff on Amazon lately, so this is a great deal for me.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM PST up reply actions
Just get the Prime membership!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I have it, but not everything is covered by Prime. :(
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
D’oh!
As for me, I’ve been spending a ton on mp3 downloads, it seems. Latest download: two Social Distortion albums (greatest of, and the latest).
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Ooh fun!
My current obsession is episodes of The Big Bang Theory. I want to marry Sheldon.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 9, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure what that says about you.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
Ffffffffffffffff
And to think I’ve been rolling nickels for the past 3 years!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
shift-A
Hooray for vacations. Boo for no longer vacations.
Sup kids. I miss anything besides everyone who votes for the Hall of Fame being wrong about everything forever?
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 9, 2012 5:08 PM PST reply actions
Some hockey player travels with dragons
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and another one threw his back out eating pancakes
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Charles Johnson looks like the monopoly guy
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
This has been your Lars Report, presented by Snickers.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Should have eaten waffles
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Breakfast carb ranking
waffles > pancakes > toast
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Leslie Knope on waffles
“We have to remember what’s important in life: friends, waffles, and work. Or waffles, friends, and work. But work has to come third."
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
I love that Waffles and Biden are almost the same size
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
“Icetown” is bigger than “Chris”.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Also, she’s got Taylor Swift and Hogwarts on there
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
daniel craig!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
haha
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
The end is amazing.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is awesome
WHY CAN’T LIFE BE LIKE THIS, EXCEPT WITH BACON?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Bill Mueller got 4 votes
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
for the greatest 3B in Giants history
traded for Tim Worrell
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I hated the trade but Worrell was pretty valuable, especially when Nen couldn’t pitch again. So what if he was involved in two of the greatest Giants collapses of all time?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I was at my one and only 49ers game in person when the trade happened.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
don't ever go to a 49ers game again
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The trade wasn't really a big deal
since Mueller came back to the Giants a year later.
Sure, the Giants had to give up Jeff Verplancke but it was worth the price to see him back in a Giants uniform.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The worst part about his return is he was ineligible for the postseason
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
but Bell was pretty darn good in the postseason.
Certainly did not expect him to put up a 5.8 oWAR the next year.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Mueller would have been a better option at DH than Shinjo
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
You take that back!
No 2002 Giants player who wore orange arm warmers and an elbow guard was better at DH than Shinjo.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Shinjo hit left handers well
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
So did Rowand.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
WIllie Mays his entire career made $1,858,200. Mueller made that in 2 seasons with the Giants between 1999-2000.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Adjusted for inflation to today’s standards, that’s still only $15 million over a 22 year career.
Matt Cain is making that much this year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I want to make $15 million.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
So would I, but it’s nice to keep these things in perspective with respect to the sport.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2012 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
Will Clark is the Boba Fett of MLB.
Not involved long enough to truly qualify,
but so bad-ass that he was the favorite when he was around, and the most revered since.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Jan 9, 2012 5:12 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
IG-88 OR GTFO
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Will Clark vs. the StL Cardinals
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Two of my favorite things in one comment.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
Will tonight’s BCS game outscore game one of the 2010 World Series (total 18)?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Answer: Who gives a shit? This game is stupid.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
That is a little harsh
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It’s completely pointless.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Still a little harsh to say it to me. Don’t like it, don’t comment.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
eh
You comment about Tim Tebow often enough.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
That is to Tim Tebow not the person who is commenting. I don’t say “Who gives a shit? Tim Tebow is stupid”
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I don’t care about GoT so I ignore it. No one else cares what I posted there so they ignored it.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And I don’t care about that, either, so I ignore it.
This game makes me actively upset.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
LOL STANFORD
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Thats just not true.
It will be entertaining.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, for people who are entertained by soccer.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
No, this is more boring than women’s curling.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Women's curling is incredible
You should google women’s curling calendar.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Curling is a great sport.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Shitty national anthem is shitty.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
LUV MERIKA OR LEEVE IT, MORAN
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
*rendition
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It is a pretty shitty anthem. “America the Beautiful” is so much better
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t mind the national anthem. God Bless America, however, is a bad piece of music regardless of its content.
If they sang “America the Beautiful” on Sundays during the 7th inning, you wouldn’t see me complaining.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
God Bless America is a little too “America, F Yeah” (which should be our national anthem). America the Beautiful is humble, melodic, and points out what a beautiful country we are. None of this “God love us more than you do, losers” stuff
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I vote for that flag song “You’re a grand old flag”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
really like that song
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 5:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
easy to sing, and you can march to it… I give it a 8.7
and an LoLd to anyone who gets the reference.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You can LOL at me
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
May as well LOL at me, too, then.
But I have been to Dick Clark’s current residence — the Gull’s Way Estate in Malibu, so I’ll LOL right back.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 9, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said, so as not to start a religious debate, I will just point out that musically, “God Bless America” is a shitty song.
It’s boring, inexpressive, hard to sing, and attracts the sort of performers who shouldn’t be singing either a) outside of opera halls, or b) in public at all.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It was rarely played in sports before 9/11/2001
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Again, not touching that side of the argument. I understand the desire for patriotism, but there are far better songs to express one’s love of country, “America the Beautiful” being the best example.
If there is a best reason not to use “America the Beautiful,” it is that nobody will ever top Ray Charles’ recording of the song.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The old Flyers in the 70’s would bust out Kate Smith to sing “God Bless America” as a good luck charm like 4-5 times a season and it worked pretty well then (they still use it every once in awhile, like during the NHL Classic). That’s the only time it’s worked, though.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever the Flyers would get to the playoffs everybody would wonder when they’d bring her out and when they did (only if they really needed her), the whole town would go bonkers. It was pretty cool and I don’t know if something like that’s ever happened before or since
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I remember. We were living back there in 74 75 and 76.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Where were you living? I grew up there
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
My grandparents used to live in Bucks County north-eastish of Doylestown.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I was a Main Line boy and grew up right outside Villanova
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
That was a really fun time to be into hockey and a really fun team.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
Every once in a while I remember some of the weirder names that were on those teams Orest Kindrachuk, and Is-he Goodenough.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
My favorite was always Andre “the Moose” Dupont. Not just because of his name but because he alway did a little dance when he scored
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
How’d you become a Giants fan?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
My dad lived out here starting 1980 so I started going to a lot of games at Candlestick (I actually got to see Crazy Crab do his thing) and because I thought it made me cooler to root for the Giants than the Phillies when I was in Middle School, I hopped on the Giants bandwagon.
It didn’t make me cooler
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
That seems like it would be kind of an odd time to abandon the Phillies.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
If I was around the Philly area back then, I would probably had like the Phillies. I liked Mike Schmidt.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Schmidt [who was apparently a big p00py pants in real life] Bowa, Luzinski, Jay Johnstone…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I was in elementary school during the Schmidt/Bowa/Luzinski years and my dad then had season tickets to their games. Got to go see them play the Reds & Dodgers in the playoffs. At the time, Gary Maddox was my favorite player and I had a baseball signed by him that I still have somewhere.
But in ‘81 I started going to games at Candlestick and I spent the summer here in ’82 and fell in love with the ’82 team. Watched the Joe Morgan home run from my dad’s TV in the living room of his apartment and screamed out loud.
I still root for the Phillies, though. Just only when the Giants are completely out of things. But I hate them when the Giants play them
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
2012 Arbitrary Bowl!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:29 PM PST reply actions
I always root against Nick Saban due to excessive dickiness on his part
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
So who’s a top draft pick in this game? I don’t watch college handegg.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
probably pretty much everyone on the LSU defense
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Both are top 10 prospects:
Trent Richardson – Alabama RB
Morris Claiborne – LSU CB
Dre Kirkpatrick – Alabama CB
Other projected first rounders:
Mark Barron – Alabama S
Courtney Upshaw – Alabama OLB
Sam Montgomery – LSU DE
Michael Brockers – LSU DT
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
*Both are
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Grrr.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Another fucking FG in a game between LSU-Alabama
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There is an Alabama guy with the last name of Smelley
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
The first of one.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It is like
an intrasquad 2010 Giants game
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 5:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
SMELLEY!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
If Alabama wins 3-0
LSU still national champ?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 5:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Everyone else gets demoted to Division II-A.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
at least then
there will be a playoff
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 5:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Winner of this game should have to face Oklahoma St. next week
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I think LSU’s punter is older than Oklahoma State’s quarterback.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The Australian?
Isn’t he normal age?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
So he is. I guess the “played Australian Rules football for a decade” thing threw me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
btw...
ya’all saw the tweet re: H. Sanchez?
beisbolporgotas manolo hernandez d.
C Héctor Sánchez expected to be named Vzla’s Rookie of the Year Wed.Many experts have written it might be unanimously.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Hahahahaha!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 6:32 PM PST reply actions
Wiener.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Not as impressive as his muscles is it?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 10, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
ooooooooooooh another field goal....
…..and I just lost the tv to the ps3…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
As it should be.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I think it is pretty arrogant of Harbaugh to have the 49ers participate in the BCS game prior to this weekend's playoff game
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 6:34 PM PST reply actions
I don’t get the rage here if Jack Morris is in the Hall of Fame. If he is in, meh. If he isn’t, meh.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Postseason heros get moreaverage fan love because it was the only time some people watch a player. He had some game 7 heroics didnt he?
Blerg
Not saying he should be in or not (leaning towards no) but on Baseball reference, the similar pitchers list: 6 are in the Hall: Bob Gibson (don’t know how), Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Burleigh Grimes, Bob Feller and Jim Bunning. The 4 non-Hall players are: Dennis Martinez, Jamie Moyer, Luis Tiant and Chuck “I got beaten up by Tawny Kaeten” Finley.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
he pitched a complete game shutout in game 7 to beat the Braves and 1-0.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN199110270.shtml
WWRWD?
In 10 innings too. Maybe the studliest pitching performance in WS history
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
that game blew 12 year old oldjacket away. Jack Morris can go in just for that game in my book.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
by oldjacket on Jan 10, 2012 7:57 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
oldjacket layin’ the strawhat smackdown on all of us!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I love that the Game 7 “he was a postseason beast!” completely ignores that in its totality, his postseason stats exactly mirrored his regular season stats.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
That’s how clutch works.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Look, you don’t get to tell me how clutch works. I can identify people who I think are clutch on my own, thank you very much!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He had a pretty awesome ’84 postseason when the Tigers won the series.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty much in this line.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Next year
If Jack Morris gets in and Barry Bonds doesn’t, I will laugh scornfully at the BBWAA.
/wags pelvis
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
What if Roger Clemens doesn’t make it and Jack Morris does?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Same thing
I just like laughing scornfully at the BBWAA.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Buster Olney said on ESPN that he thinks a good 30-40 percent will not vote for anyone linked to steroids, directly or indirectly. I believe he is not one of them (Olney is a voter).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That's a pretty broad statement
There are already so many variables to who is “deserving” of the HOF, even without the suspicion of PEDs mixed in. If you, as a voter, are determined to punish all suspected PED users, you then have to factor your degree of certainty the player was a user, how much that use impacted/enhanced his career, and whether you want to withhold HOF entry forever, or for just a few years.
I would think that most of the writers’ moral high dudgeon will soften over time as they begin to come down off their high horse, begin listening to more reasonable voices, and start thinking a little more rationally.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
to me, he falls into the Don Sutton/Phil Niekro/Bert Blyleven category. Guys who pitched a long time and were helped out by the DH.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
yeah I don't get that
any plus he gets from not having to hit is kind of offset by having to face a hitter instead of a pitcher
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
it’s a circular argument. old starting pitchers go to the AL, so there’s that.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
i don't really think that's true
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Ryan, Sutton, Niekro, Morris, Blyleven, Clemens…
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Clemens went to the NL late in his career…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He’d be one of the worst SP in the hall
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But it isn’t worth raging over.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
i'm sorry
i wasn’t aware i wasn’t allowed to care about the Hall of Fame
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Seriously
What is the cutoff point between rage worthy and non-rage worthy?
In the larger scheme of things, none of this matters. That doesn’t mean I won’t rage if the Giants trade Posey for Betancourt. Sorry. Right reserved.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK YOU
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
BAN ME PLEASE
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I'm tired of the snide remarks toward me
It seems like I am not allowed to have an opinion. Goodbye folks. Maybe I’ll be back next year,
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Aw
I was about to troll you over Tim Tebow. I retract the prospective troll and place a calming hand on your shoulder.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I'm sorry you're mad
But there was nothing personal intended with my original comment. You don’t care about the Hall. I do. Both opinions can co-exist.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Sorry for the outburst
Not so much you but what Alex said. I need a break. I’ll be back in about week or earlier if the Giants make a big move.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Had a bad day and it set me off. Again I apologize to all here. See ya next week.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Take care.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
OK OK OK
I back off. Do whatever. I guess I wasn’t aware I wasn’t allowed to not care about the Hall.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I have no clue how me saying that I care about the Hall means I don’t think you aren’t allowed to care. You’re the one telling me it’s not worth raging over? I think it is…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Do you think Barry will make it in?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
truth
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really think he cares. Probably the same with Pete Rose. They proved their worth on the field.
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
anyone know of a cool online shooting game, something simple and flash driven or whatever it is that drives online games these days
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Pick any type of flash game you want.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
ANOTHER FUCKING FIELD GOAL.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You should have watched the game the other night that ended up 70 to whatever it was…Orange Bowl?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
HE IS BECAUSE THE FIELD GOAL IS FUCKING!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
How is babby field goal formed?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Can't convince me that
either Stanford or OklaSt could not beat LSU/Alab
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 7:21 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oregon does not marchioness well against SEC teams
Stanford has a really good run game
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 7:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
OT kind of
I have to say I kind of like the Oregon jerseys
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
They’re even uglier than the Astros’ old Tequila Sunrise uniforms.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I SAID KIND OF! Nike is going to be taking over NFL uniforms from Reebok next season so you might see more like it.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I loved the old Tequilla Sunrise uniforms
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
40 nights
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
That movie was awful.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Quiz: HoFs who got 90% of vote
There are 25. I got 21. Beat it.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
23
i missed Gywnn, Boggs, Alomar and i guess i misspelled Yaz even tho they gave it to me.
Adios, Pelota!
I’m more disturbed with several that I guessed but who weren’t 90%’ers, including Frank Robinson and Warren Spahn.
Yeah seriously
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
WTF
I got 21 and I thought I missed 4. joseclemens got 23 and apparently missed 4. ns got 23 and missed 4?
I’m confused.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oh
Oops
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
15...fail
cal ripkin jr.? really?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
I thought this game was going to suck
and it did not disappoint.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
bout it was so good
the first time!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 7:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Things more interesting than either game
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Also,
(Wireless camera with detachable lens at CES.)
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I want to crush that fucking thing.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 10, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting quote from the hated one
“I played one year in San Francisco 2002. I watched Barry Bonds take 500 at-bats, and every single at-bat, he either hit a home run, or hit the ball harder than anyone on earth, or walked,” White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski said. “He’s the best hitter I’ve ever seen, and there isn’t a close second, not just on this planet, but this galaxy. Righties, lefties, it didn’t matter with Barry. Here’s how good he was that year. The first game of the season, he hit a homer off Roy Oswalt in Houston to win the game. That gave him 659. He told us, ’I’m not going to hit any more home runs here, I want to tie Willie [Mays, at 660] at home.’ The rest of that series, he got his hits, he hit singles and doubles, but no homers. When we got home, he said, ‘OK, I’m going to tie Willie today.’ And the first at-bat, boom, he went deep. The next day, he came to the park and said, ‘Today, I’m going pass Willie.’ First at-bat, he hit another homer. I’ve never seen anything like it.”
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jan 9, 2012 7:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I love Barry Bonds. So much.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I miss him
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he was on the Giants in 2003
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The whole quote seemed fishy because AJ wasn’t being a douche.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
...
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It looks like they are about to hug
This is much better:
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Kurkjian's bad.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
i'm surprised this didn't spend half of its time talking about barry's biceps
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
you don’t remember his stirring contribution to the Giants World Series run?
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Benito Santiago was awesome.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
His catching fundamentals were positively infuriating.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
But that home run against the Cardinals was pretty awesome.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
2004 actually. He was around for the 660 and 661
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 10, 2012 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
Did he actually say 2002?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Looks like that was incorrectly inserted by Kurkjian
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Argyle
Jeff Sullivan @LookoutLanding
There were 415 pitchers against whom Barry Bonds went hitless. Against those pitchers, he posted a .331 OBP
Jeff Sullivan @LookoutLanding
For the record, that is 0-for-739, with 357 walks and 13 HBPs
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
by Solidarity on Jan 9, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
why is everyone so interested in Jeff Sullivan? (if I dare ask)
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
he’s like a better looking funnier grant
WWRWD?
by SF Pete on Jan 9, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He’s good-looking and funny, so not like Grant.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I’m almost good and certainly funny-looking, so I’m close. I’ll catch up to him yet.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 10, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I also feel like the Mariners are Giants North for some reason.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I just follow him on Twitter because he is amusing and good at digging up ridiculous statistics like the one above. Also, very rarely I will lurk on LL because I think the Mariners are aight.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
what the fuck
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And the sad thing was that once Kent left, they never got anybody who could hit a lick to bat behind him. He’d just get walked all game and get stranded out there in first
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
This boggles the mind
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
And this should be green, because it's absolutely nuts
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
This should be posted in the dugout.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
When he dies, the spirit of Bonds will haunt that dugout, emitting spooky but exasperated groans every time a Giants hitter hacks at the plate.
by wcw on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Also known as the Tebow line.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Worst National Championship Game
Ever.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
I agree
LSU’s game-planning, play-calling, and execution on offense completely fucked up tonight.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Holy god coachella's lineup is ridiculous
So amazing. I must find a way to go.
The first six innings are overrated.
Gambino
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Really?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 10, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
ATDI reuniting, Refused, Jeff Mangum, Radiohead, Andrew Bird, Godspeed, Beiruit, DJ Shadow, Explosions in the Sky, Destroyer and more.
But holy shit, Refused and At the Drive In. High school me’s head just exploded into a million little pieces.
The first six innings are overrated.
these
plus M83, EMA, Bon Iver, The Shins, Feist, St. Vincent, FlyLo, tune-yards, Childish Gambino, The Weeknd, WILD FLAG, Real Estate
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
there are some pretty awesome bands in super small font!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Hah
As a long time Helium/Mary Timony worshipper, I am sincerely hoping Carrie Brownstein and Janet Weiss don’t drag Mary’s supersonic ultramagnet supermundane vibe down to S-K’s pedestrian level.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Nice to see Jeff Mangum performing again. From his wiki:
Mangum will be curating the ATP event at Butlins Holiday Park, Minehead between the 9th and 11th March 2012, other bands from the Elephant 6 collective have already been announced to support including Apples In Stereo, The Olivia Tremor Control and The Music Tapes as well as other artists chosen by Jeff including Joanna Newsom and The Magnetic Fields.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Sounds like a great show
I actually saw Neutral Milk in 1998, in a warehouse in India Basin. Blew my head and limbs off. Lucky me!
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
NMH plus two SF Bevis Frond shows in two days!
The Frond sets out across Europe (mostly Germany) for two+ weeks starting tonight in support of 2012’s best record “The Leaving of London.”
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
They were good
There was a lot of good music that weekend :)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
(Don’t tell anyone, but Jeff/NMH is playing the Oakland FOX 4/9 and 4/10.
Tix likely this weekend.)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Word!
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Black Keys, Refused, Tim Armstrong, Pulp, Arctic Monkeys, Neon Indian, Cat Power, Madness, Black Lips, Radiohead of course, Kaiser Chiefs, Calvin Harris……..etc
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
saturday looks INSANE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It’s the only day I would give a crap about, and even that is kinda tenuous given the ticket prices.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
To be more constructive, people I know and would care about: Radiohead, Feist, Calvin Harris.
And groups that I know of but have no opinion about: Black Keys, Bon Iver, Arctic Monkeys, Swedish House Mafia, AVICII, David Guetta, Jimmy Cliff, DJ Shadow, the Shins, At the Drive-In.
Pretty much anything below the second line is completely ‘wtf’ for me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It’s definitely the best day, which explains why I was slightly unimpressed by the lineup when I saw the same picture with Saturday omitted for some reason.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
All my housemates are talking shit but they have seriously questionable taste.
This looks fucking awesome
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah your housemates are all kinds of wrong if they have a problem with this.
The first six innings are overrated.
So true. But then two of them cite Sublime and Taylor Swift as their favorite artists, respectively
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve only heard of 7 of those artists. And one was because of an iPod commercial, and another was because of Logan Couture.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
That sounds ridiculously fun. A bunch of my friends are going to go I think. No idea how that can afford it.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
is yo gabba gabba going to be there this year
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 9, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
My opinion about Coachella
It’s fun if you can get a group of ten friends to leave the pool at the rented condo during the day, when the sun is out, and get over to the fairgrounds and see the indie and middling-famous bands with you.
But it’s jostle-y, shove-y Hell-on-Earth if your friends don’t want to come out until the big name acts play at night, and all day you have to try to navigated the seas of drunk LA entitled teenagers all by yourself.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
OT
Blazing Saddles…..1974? WOW
am I old? (rhetorical question)
work work work work work work…hello boys have a good nights rest? I missed you
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
McC book club officially open
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/9/2695625/mccoven-book-in-common-the-road
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 9, 2012 8:34 PM PST reply actions
that game sucked
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I stopped paying attention halfway through, was that 7 field goals?
The first six innings are overrated.
One score was a rushing TD in the 4th.
LSU had a missed field goal.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
No, Richardson scored a late touchdown. Dunno what happened with the point after.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
If the niners game played out this way we would be fucking ecstatic here
The first six innings are overrated.
We'd be happy for the win,
but it would still be shitty football.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I got to watch the first three quarters in fast forward.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
I WAS THINKING OF THIS EXACT SAME ANALOGY.
Either Marquis, or Randy Wells.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
GREAT WIN COACH, NOW TALK ABOUT YOUR DEAD DAD AND TERRIBLE NATURAL DISASTERS
The first six innings are overrated.
Wham'Bama
foxsports could have done better
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 9, 2012 8:41 PM PST reply actions
Good thing that guy in the dr pepper commercial didnt give the that girl the dr pepper that women arent allowed to drink
The first six innings are overrated.
.
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 9, 2012 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
Hah! Minor hockey victory
Brett Anderson @BrettAnderson49
The winter classic was about 1000x better than the bcs title game.
the best football game
ever
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 8:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I'm getting reports that a touchdown was involved this time!
The first six innings are overrated.
And attempted 7 field goals. What an absolute turd of a game.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
There are a few things I miss about following the football, but every year there seem to be fewer.
by wcw on Jan 9, 2012 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
LSU QB
11 for 17 for 53 yards and 1 int.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 9:05 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
If his defense had played well they’d be calling him Tebow.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
a tebow line would be more like
5 for 15 for 118 yards and a TD
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Eric Branch: Semi-surprising stat: In final 8 games, #49ers Michael Crabtree had 42 catches, 560 yards and 3 TDs.16-game season: 84, 1,120, 6.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
Still lacking in the RZ.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
not surprising to me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Me either.
He led the team in targets as soon as his foot got healthy again.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
And definitely flashed #1 type play down the stretch.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think he would benefit immensely from a year of having a veteran #1 type guy on the far sideline, but he’s been doing a good job getting by on his own talents. I’ve been particularly impressed with his physicality on plays close to the first down marker; you wouldn’t think he could push guys around with his frame, but he’s found a way.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well
I am going to go back to reading The Best American Sports Writing: 2011, which last night gave me this fun article about a hockey fight school.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I want to go to Coachella so badly.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
You are young and irresponsible, I don’t know what would be stopping you.
The first six innings are overrated.
I'm sorta stingy with money
That would total up to about 1/4th of what I have to my name.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really spend it on anything except alcohol, food, textbooks, and gas when I’m home. And tuition if I don’t satisfy my parents.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Per SF giants rumor twitter
#SFGiants minor league catcher Drew Stiner has been suspended for 50 games under baseball’s minor league drug rule.
I has twitters https://twitter.com/#!/APR_studios
moneyball dvd out tomorrow
Hey, kdl:
Another feature will particularly appeal to those local fans who were extras at the Coliseum during filming. "Moneyball: Playing the Game" focuses on the making of the film, and shows lots of scenes of the Coliseum during the production – and the costume department raves about those who turned up to fill the Coliseum seats, saying that there was so much variation, the extras nailed a "real" crowd perfectly, something that the production crew could not have replicated easily. Production designer Jess Gonchor, a wealth of information, provides many details about the sets, and he said that shooting at the Coliseum itself was invaluable. "It really put a valid stamp on the whole thing," he says. Other locations used, you might be surprised to learn: Dodger Stadium and Blair Field in Long Beach.
(From here.) Maybe you’ll show up in the DVD extras! I want to see your mime clapping form.
I haven't even heard of this until now.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously.
October?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
stranded on a reef for more than three months
Over there, it’s a Republican debate!
I kinda see it if I squint. Like a Young Republican Reynolds. If that makes sense.
But I do think Reynolds is hotter
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
this has been true for at least 3 years
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Child actors age into odd looking people 95% of the time.
The only exceptions I can really think of right now are Joseph Gordon Levitt, Jamie Bell, and Drew Barrymore
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
And Jamie Bell isn’t exactly conventionally handsome
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Natalie Portman, too, if you count The Professional.
by non sequitur on Jan 9, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Sure! He was a good-looking fellow on NYPD Blue, no?
by non sequitur on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Or Leonardo DiCaprio in What’s Eating Gilbert Grape?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well, he was like 18 in that. Does it really count?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Leo was born in 1974?! I really did not think that was the case.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yup. He has aged pretty well. Though he has gotten squintier in his old(er) age
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 9, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ahem
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
he was also in Growing Pains.
My selections: Lacey Chabert and Alyssa Milano
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Guy on the left? Really?
His face is oddly – proportioned.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 9, 2012 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Trevor May answering questions on reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/oa934/iama_top_prospect_in_the_mlb_minor_league_system/
Sorta interesting. And WTF:
[–]birds_of_war
26 points 2 hours ago (26|1)
Do you ever use sabermetrics to evaluate your performance?
[–]TJM54
[S] 16 points 2 hours ago (17|0)
I do not. Actually I’ve never heard of them. Enlighten me?
How is this even possible?
The first six innings are overrated.
this guy knows.
[–]toastytoci
5 points 3 hours ago (5|0)
Which pitcher in the MLB do you try to emulate most?
Which MLB hitter would you love to strike out?
[–]TJM54
[S] 19 points 2 hours ago (21|2)
I like to emulate Matt Cain/ Josh Johnson/ Josh Beckett.
A-Rod.
The first six innings are overrated.
I love the onion
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/angels-hoping-they-can-get-mike-napoli-back-now-th,26968/
The first six innings are overrated.
Its so beautiful
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2012 1:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
The SL is.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 10, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
rec’d
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
gotta go to Cooperstown Grant, end of summer/sept
i figure my next trip will be to see Mr. Bonds enter the hall
Trade Sabean/jk...Overthrow the Ydorks...
Oh my god CTRL-C ---> CTRL-V
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2012 7:14 AM PST reply actions
"The hero the BBWAA needs, not the one it particularly wants right now."
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It’s like they grafted GiantPain’s head onto my body!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
It's true!
I do recognize those baseball seam undies!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 27m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
i love the folks who never saw jack morris pitch who are certain he isnt hall of famer bec their stat guru said so
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Jack Morris........
he be the man, very deserving
Barry not getting in next year...............
will just give me ANOTHER reason to hate people even more.
Because television and video recording were not invented until after Jack Morris retired!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Why, I wonder, aren’t Jack Morris partisans equally enthused about Joe Carter? Wasn’t he also good-not-great for a long time? Didn’t he have a certain clutch mystique? Didn’t he win a World Series all by himself?
One is white
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Joe Carter was not even good.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Jack Morris looks pretty ordinary to me as well
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The WAR scores are way better for Morris.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
OK, but Carter did put up big RBI totals year after year. He was on just as many all-star teams as Morris. He did about as well in MVP voting as Morris did in Cy Young voting. And he also was the key player in one of the all-time great Game 7s. By old-school standards, they seem close to me.
And yet one guy has become an anti-stathead cause celebre while the other was one ballot and out.
Yah I was gonna say something like this
The people voting for Morris arent looking at his WAR
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
But it isn’t necessarily a black or white issue. If a voter is 80% old school and 20 % sabermetric, Morris satisfies the sabermetric side better than Carter does.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Right
I agree Morris was better than Carter. But Morris looks pretty ordinary to me as well even if he was better.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Fewer teams, fewer players back in the dinosaur days, now-a-days mediocre dudes wouldn’t get as much attention. Shoot I remember being able to name starting lineups for numerous teams back when I was a kid, now? I couldn’t even reliably tell you the Giants lineup [well aside from CF=1st 2nd base= 2nd and pitcher = last]
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I like Morris
He pitched in the 4 man rotation days, racking up 235+ innings 10 or 11 times. He was great, not amazing, for over a decade.
254 wins, is about 200 wins in current 5 man rotation, if you want to knock off 20%.
He is a borderline case, but I would vote for him if I had a ballot.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
Wins don't do anything for me
He had about a 7 year run of above average (3-4 WAR). That’s makes him pretty good but definitely not HOF.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Wins are the problem
That, and WS titles, are Morris’ most-cited argument for the Hall, but they are very much dependent on the teams he played for. Yes, he should get a boost for some great WS performances (for the ’84 Tigers and ’91 Twins) to help them to championships, but in part he was fortunate to simply BE on those teams in the first place.
As for his individual stats, his ERA, WHIP, and K/BB ratio are all pretty pedestrian for a HOFer. He wouldn’t be the WORST pitcher in the Hall if he got in, but he’d be near the bottom.
Isn’t there something to be said for other things than just pure stats? Morris was the main stay of two really good WS champions and pitched one of the greatest games in baseball history. He was also seen as the steady #1 pitcher throughout his career and for those of us who were around back then, had a certain cache to his name. Shouldn’t that also be thought of instead of just automatically throwing players into the Stat-o-Matic and having a computer generate HoF players?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
For me, there is something to be said other than pure state
BUT, I still have a minimum statistical threshold that Morris just doesn’t meet.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think the argument against him is that, while those things you listed help him, throwing him into the Stat-Matic starts him so low that the other things can’t compensate.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Like GP just said right before me.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I’m in line with what somebody said above— I’d like him to be in there but I’m not going to lose any sleep over it if he doesn’t. I just think other factors should be weighed and Morris did have a mystique when he pitched, although some of it was because of his facial hair, a bad ass look, and because he looked like he stepped out the 1930’s
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I’m saying that maybe the difference is that Morris is merely mediocre statistically, whereas Carter is abysmal.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I guess so. Part of the difference has to do with league context: run scoring was a lot more scarce in the ‘80s and early ’90s than it is now, so Carter’s numbers look less impressive now than they did at the time, while for Morris it’s the opposite. Carter’s career OPS+ is 105; Morris’s career ERA+ is 105.
I totally forgot about this
Carter’s last year was in 1998 when he was traded to the Giants.
In 115 PAs, Carter hit .295/.322/.562 and an OPS+ of 132. Unfortunately, he was pretty bad in the field. Surprised that no one signed him to be a DH somewhere.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
What's the view on Raines?
I remember he was a really great played, partly because he stole a lot of bases (and played with a vial of coke in his backpocket). He hit with some power, annoyed a lot of teams because he was always on base, and played for a really good but never great Expos. But as this was before all the new fangled stats, I don’t know if what I was seeing is statistically good or not
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
So my 12 year old eyes didn’t deceive me.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Jon Heyman is not allowed to have an opinion on Babe Ruth because he never saw him play.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jan 10, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
He is the head of baseball operations/CEO of a major league baseball team, so I would imagine that he is a pretty smart guy.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
and this
He departed to attend Harvard Business School and work for Westinghouse Broadcasting, then returned to the Giants to help form an ownership group that kept the team in San Francisco when it appeared to be headed to Tampa, Fla., in 1992.
Baer helped negotiate the blockbuster free-agent signing of Barry Bonds, then did much of the heavy lifting to pull off a privately financed stadium project that became a San Francisco landmark, AT&T Park. His titles have included limited partner, team president, executive vice president, chief operating officer and president of China Basin Ballpark Corporation.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
WOOHOO
keithlaw @keithlaw 2m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I have chosen to stay with ESPN. It was a difficult decision, and I’m very grateful to the Astros for the opportunity.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Head of Scouting, IIRC
I bet he turned down 12.5M like Brad Pitt and the Astros will now win the World Series in 2013.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Wish him well
Omar Vizquel hinted at retirement on his Twitter account today, saying “[if] there is no contract [offer] there will be no other option but to start a new career, [as a] coach,” according to Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes (link in Spanish).
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
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Baseball to announce another record revenue year, beating out previous year $7 billion record. OMG TEH BASEBALL IZ DYING!!!!111
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Article talking about dynamic ticket pricing in baseball.
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That is really cool
Giants have been doing things first for a while. They were one of the first to have the stubhub app thingy, so you could buy tickets on your phone at the gate online, and use it to get in.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Baseball ain't dying
It’s just becoming more regional, where people passionately support their own team but don’t pay a lot of attention to other teams across the country (aside from their own immediate rivals). It’s not a “national event” like it used to be (or like the NFL is now), but people are still going to baseball games.
Good
ESPN’s BCS title game Monday drew a 13.8 overnight rating — the lowest rating in the BCS system’s 14-year history.
That 13.8 translates to 13.8% of households in the 56 urban markets measured for overnights. The previous record low was a 14.3 for Miami-Nebraska at the 2002 Rose Bowl. Last night’s game was down 14% from last year’s Auburn-Oregon title game on ESPN and down 24% from Alabama-Texas on Fox in 2010.
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I did not watch.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Rather, I was twiddling around online while K-On played in the background.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
Switched over to House repeats. That’s how bad it was.
That said, the Alabama’s defense was awesome. Well prepared and insanely well executed, but still not enjoyable to watch.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
The LSU offense was quite poor.
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It’s weird because I have no problem watching a pitching duel. But watching a defense duel in football is insanely boring. Probably because there are only so many times you can see a running back run straight into the defensive line.
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It’s because in a pitching duel, the pitcher dictates the action; he has the “initiative”, to put it in chess terms, and the hitters are inherently reactionaries in the battle.
Whereas in football, the offense dictates the action; the offensive unit has the “initiative”, and the defensive unit is inherently reactionary.
This puts more focus on the football offense and the baseball pitcher when a low-scoring game results.
I suppose that makes sense.
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I think a defensive battle in football is a lot of fun to watch if the offenses they are stopping are actually good.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Lousy
Bring on the black and orange
by Billy Swift on Jan 10, 2012 9:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe it’s time to fix the system, hmm?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Will no one think of the student athletes???!!!
I mean who could manage a playoff system in collegiate football? It’s way too complicated and harsh on the students.
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chasm?
Basketball does it just fine. Could do same amount of weeks, just bring it down to the top 10 or 8 teams. Would be infinitely more entertaining.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Of course chasm
The whole argument is stupid since Division II and III football both have playoff systems. Apparently, no one thinks those players are students.
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Hard to tell sometimes :)
But yeah…I don’t know if it’s too much advertising money involved in all these separate bowls or what, but you’d think with being criticized year after year they’d seriously consider changing things.
A few more years of low ratings might just do the trick.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
There would be so much more money to be made in a playoff system. The problem is that the money currently goes to the bowl committees while the money in a playoff system will go to the schools.
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Ratings are bit misleading
Because most of the previous BCS Championship games were on a broadcast network (Fox), but this one was cable-only, which automatically lowers the ratings a bit. So “LOWEST RATING EVAR” isn’t as big of news as they’d have you think.
We no longer have anybody at UOP do we?
Get a full season pass to every Stockton Ports game (except July 3rd) for only $50. The pass will be good for Field Box or General Admission seating, based on availability to verified full-time students. Students must be able to provide a photo identification and current transcript and must be 18 years of age or over.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Wow, that is an excellent deal.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Come to Stockton dozens of times a year for just fifty dollars!
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The park is really nice, but the fans are terrible.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
That could be fun. Come in your cutte (or however it is spelled) night!
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 10, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s people in Stockton. I mean, the fans in Modesto are great, and I don’t know if Modesto has any better rep than Stockton. It seems like it’s just the fans.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
HEY
We operate only in geographical stereotypes ‘round these parts! Yer startin’ to sound like one of those broad viewin’ REDDING folk….
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They don’t call them broads anymore, even in Redding.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 10, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
HEY
Yer regressive referencin’ to the fairer sex brings to mind the narrow viewin’ known common to them’s local to VACAVILLE, and frankly, I’m not sure we have room enough on this board for that brand of person.
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VACAville, BRAND of person, get it?!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
HEY
That kinda word whirlin’ brings to mind the brilliant and beautiful residents of Sacramento, a segment of the population with whom I have no particular quarrel. May they continue to guide us through their fine example.
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Nerd alert!
But there might yet be hope for Dungeons & Dragons, known as D&D. On Monday, Wizards of the Coast, the Hasbro subsidiary that owns the game, announced that a new edition is under development, the first overhaul of the rules since the contentious fourth edition was released in 2008. And Dungeons & Dragons’ designers are also planning to undertake an exceedingly rare effort for the gaming industry over the next few months: asking hundreds of thousands of fans to tell them how exactly they should reboot the franchise.
I never played D&D but did play some other dice-based games.
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Pro Quarterback...
also good.
by Billy Swift on Jan 10, 2012 9:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Another good moment in xkcd history.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
I’m fairly convinced Risk caused more fights than any other board game other than maybe Monopoly
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
We weren’t allowed to play Sorry at my house. We could play any other board game without incident, but Sorry always ended in tears. Perhaps, in retrospect, it’s not logical to think that a game which encourages players to sarcastically apologize for being assholes is going to be fun.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
There’s nothing good about losing half your army when you’re being attacked by an enemy half the size just because you’re having a bad roll of the dice
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
The plucky Algerian Guard fended off Rommel for six months, inflicting roughly 600,000 casualties to the woefully underprepared Afrika Korps….
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But they didn’t sit around and roll dice with Rommell to see who won. And as far as I know, nobody’s taken over the world by first taking control of Australia
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Australia is always the right move.
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2 MORE ARMIES EACH TURN!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Only with people who haven’t played a lot. If you are playing with guys who know the Australia tactic, it can turn into a bloodbath down there. Then, the best strategy is South America or Africa. Risk is really all about managing your PR. If no one sees you as a threat, you can build quietly and put yourself in position to win. Southern hemisphere > the rest of the world.
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Yeah, my ploy was to always go for South America (easy access to Africa and North America) but I haven’t played in awhile. The online version is much better as instead of it taking 5 hours to play, it only take half an hour
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
There was a simple old mac b&w (now mac classic) version that was like that.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I’ve played that. It was great because if it was a clash of two, huge armies, it would do all the dice rolling in a matter of minutes instead of dragging it out forever and ever and ever. It even included the 1812 Overture and animated Napoleonic troops just to up the fun
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
The best for tears...
Was steal the pile, in cards, always remember the rule of four……younger sister cries in background
by Billy Swift on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
anyone play Axis and Allies?
My brother got the game for Christmas and we tried to play it. Took an hour to read/figure out the rules, and another hour to set up the board. Then we just stared at the board trying to figure out some sort of strategy. Insanity.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
I remember wanting to play a game once but losing interest while setting it up.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 10, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I used to play it a lot. Loved that game. It was like a better version of Risk.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 10, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I love Axis and Allies…the pieces were great and the details were fun (down to the US going last).
Shogun was also fun.
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Ever played the European/Pacific theater versions? Complicated as balls.
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No
but I can imagine. I also like the Invasion USA game they had.
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I got a copy of D&D for Christmas when I was a kid. I did not understand that it was not a board game, did therefore not understand how to play, and just spent my time rolling to create characters instead of actually playing.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I was just about to comment. Axis & Allies: 1 h to set up the board, 3 h to learn the rules, 7 days to play the whole damn thing.
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I don’t think we ever got more than 3 rounds into the game. By the time you set up the board and play 3 rounds, you’ve already consumed about 4 hours or so.
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The set up gets a lot faster
once you played a few times. Generally, most people play the same country so you pretty much know where the pieces go.
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We only played about once every 3 months or so, and only at sleepovers. So we really never got very far, but it always looked like the Axis was going to achieve an economic victory, which was lame.
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The game actually tracks very well historically
Germany has the early advantage but if the USSR and England can hold up until the US gets in, the Allies would have a big advantage.
Japan is also a wild card. It has strong naval presences but low resources. If it can harass the US enough, it can help Germany to prevail in Europe.
A very well thought out game.
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Playing by email saves a HUUUUGE amount of set up time
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LOL
From the wikipedia page on Axis and Allies:
Setup time 5-15 minutes
Playing time 2-10+ hours
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I’d like to meet the man who can set that game up in five minutes.
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Seriously. Is this with 5 people on a giant board so that each person can set up his/her own country without interfering with the others?
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Pretty much
Again, I used to play with my brother and a friend or two but at some point you pretty much know the setup.
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I owned it
Red the rules, set the game up like 5 times. Nobody I knew wanted to play.
Then I played once in college with a guy who knew the game vs 4 newbs. He played Germany and smoked everyone.
It’s cool, but takes a long time.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
We just bought that as a gift for one of my housemates.
It’ll be a cool learning experience if we ever get around to playing it this year.
I own it. I used to play with several friends in college. A lot of fun, but it took forever. I’ve since taught my wife how to play, and I’m just waiting for some unsuspecting friend or in-law to agree to a “dinner and game night” offer.
I’ve also played the miniatures version, which isn’t quite as fun for me, but is a quicker set up and intended for two people. Much easier to find one person to play than 3 or 4.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
While we're on the topic of strategy games...
Our current favorites are:
Puerto Rico
Last Night on Earth
And of course, Settlers of Catan
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Last Night on Earth sounds pretty cool.
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I was looking at some of those games at B&N there other days, the complexity seems insane.
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If you enjoy the concept of strategy games, they aren’t bad at all, especially Settlers and Last Night on Earth. Puerto Rico is a bit more…involved, but very manageable.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Try Pandemic. It’s really quite simple to learn, but becomes intricate as you figure out tactics and strategy. Best of all, every player must work together in order to succeed. Failure to cooperate will reliably result in losing the game.
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My cousing introduced me to PR
It was pretty fun!
I will have to check the others out.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
I was nerdy enough and played the dice adventure game
We had a group of like 5 who met once a week in HS. Even went to a CON once and played some live role playing with strangers (we were the 15 year olds hanging with adults who still played, it was an experience.)
We moved to magic later, much more streamlined.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I have no idea what dungeons & dragons is, but Risk and Axis & Allies are so fun. Not a dice game, but Apples to Apples is also amazing.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
How can you be allowed on this board and not know what D&D is??
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Also, do you ever play board games with foreign dignitaries or are such interactions restricted to the whist, cigars, and brandy variety?
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There is usually quite a shortage of whist, brandy, dignitaries and cigars in whatever war torn third world crap hole that I’m usually working in. Hard alcohol and cards on the other hand are fairly easy to come by.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Unless you’re in a Muslim country. On the other hand, diplomatic immunity.
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It depends which Muslim country you are in. Some allow foreigners to buy alcohol at hotels for example, others completely outlaw it.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Really? Interesting. Did not know that. I’ve got a friend in the State Department who works in Saudi Arabia, and she said that a ton of people she knows bring in booze in their luggage and then get clothes shipped to them later.
I guess Utah does something similar with hotel bars.
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Yep. Still in other countries where the majority of the population is Muslim, yet they are not a secular state, alcohol can be bought pretty much anywhere.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Also, my friends and I have recently discovered a game called Bang! It’s basically mafia with cards based on a spaghetti western. Really fun.
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LOVE BANG
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
you have no idea
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Sick burn.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I prefer my turn based strategy games to be on the computer or gaming console.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
God knows I have given Wiards of the Coast way too much money...
(yes, that’s 1500 dollars+ of products right there, and that’s after downsizing…)
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Yea
I used to play a play by mail game when i was 12 or 13. They put a flier in one of my turns once, for the new card game, Magic the Gathering. It sounded awesome, only like 10 bux to start, with boosters for a few more. Wish I had, I came back to the game 3 years later, when the Dark came out. Man had I only been a rich snotty little 12 year old, I mighta had a few K in Mox\Lotus cards.
Ah well. It was a great game. The only thing I collected as a kid that ever had some value. I sold my deck 4 years ago for $400, way more than any baseball card or comic book I had was worth.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
i have sold and bought back into the game like 4 times lol
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I buy the XBL arcade versions
2 out now. Good enough to excite me to try a new deck. But I get my fix in and leave it alone, only $25 poorer.
I have like a crap load of old cards I need to get rid of, if you know anyone looking for 3rd edition\dark\chornicles\ice age collection, let me know.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
All Six played in this game!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN196405160.shtml
Wait Bud Selig is going to get a 2 year extension?
When his current three-year contract extension was approved in 2009, Selig, who had previously said he would retire that year, announced there would be no more extensions.
“This is clearly it,” he said at the time. “I could say this without equivocation.”
What happened to Clearly, without Equivocation?
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
FML
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
We will never be free of Commisioner Monte Burns
He just keeps getting transfusions of young people blood.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
Lulz
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Raiders fired Hue Jackson. More on ESPN.
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LOL
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
should never have fired Cable. Once again, Raider karma comes back to bite them in the ass
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Physical Violence is 100% grounds for firing
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
They didn’t fire Cable for that, though. They fired him because they were going to lose Hue Jackson.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 10, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
WOLVERINE!!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I’m just saying there is no bad Karma for firing Cable. The Karma IS the firing of Cable for the physical violence.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What does Deadpool have to say about that?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
THAT'S RACIST/SEXIST
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Can someone here explain Pinterest to me?
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SHIFT-A
’Sup doods. Have I missed anything good the last few days?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This morning is awesome for news
Selig 2 year Extension
Keith Law turning down Astros to stay with ESPN
Raiders fire Hugh Jackson
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What was Keith Law going to do for the Astros?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Head of scouting
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I didn't think he was gonna take it
He always talks about how his current job lets him spend a lot of time with his family where a Front Office position does not
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Wow, I’m surprised he turned it down.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I guess they are going to do another season of The Franchise
No word on which team will be the victim.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions
Gotta be the Red Sox! Think of the all the fried chicken and beer hijinks they could film!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
They should be forced to watch HBO 24/7 in order to get some ideas. Much higher quality. But following more than one team/athlete probably helps that show not sound overly fanboy-ish
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 10, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
They could have a scene where the manager and hitting coach create a lineup all while just saying the word ‘fuck’.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This would mirror what we do when we see the lineup
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Archive of high res photos of Nasa’s Gemini missions.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Okay...I am officially annoyed at Easterbrook
As for the Saints, their offense continues to be near perfect. In blocking, receiving, rushing, quarterbacking, play design, the Saints have the package. We’ll see how this team fares at Green Bay, away from their dome noise and house-party atmospherics. New Orleans is 9-0 at home and so far is 5-3 on the road.
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7443700/children-spread-offense-taken-hold-football-know-it
There is something missing in that quote (actually except for one passing reference, the entire article)…I can’t put my thumb on it.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He is interesting (sort of) but consistently shorts the 49ers. Late games perhaps?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
BUT THE PICTURE CLEARLY SHOWS THE NINERS LOSING!!!!!!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 10, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
His non-football thoughts are pretty dumb. For one, he’s said more than once that the Dark Knight is the worst movie ever made.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 10, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Easterbrook’s movie comments are constantly complaining that superhero movies or science-fiction blockbusters aren’t plausible based on the laws of physics or somesuch. I read that and I’m like, “Yeah, THAT’S WHY THEY ARE MOVIES!” I’m going to a Batman movie to see realism? Come on now.
I went to a sci-fi panel, and one of the guys was basically like, “Listen, the reason we write this stuff is because we don’t know how to do it with science. If you know the secret to faster than light travel, you’re not writing science fiction for a pittance. You’re creating faster than light travel and making billions.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
'The Catch' game is on NFL network tonight for the 30th anniversary.
Seeing as how I wasn’t born yet, I’ll get to watch it for the first time!
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/10/2697314/buster-posey-is-running-hector-sanchez-is-cool
Frisbee just woke up
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
In order of probability:
1) Brett Pill, obviously. Or Manny Burriss.
2) Lincecum, barring a a very early burnout, doesn’t need THAT MANY more good years to get in. Not very many people have two Cy Youngs. Lincecum hasn’t been as dominant as Koufax, but Sandy only had 6 good years.
3) Matt Cain = Don Drysdale. Drysdale retired at 32, 8 AS games, 1 Cy Young, just over 200 wins and he got in. 0.00 ERA in postseason will help Cain’s resume.
4) Posey. Catcher’s threshold is lower than other positions. 250-300 HRs with a .300 avg would do it. We’re all nervous to see how Buster bounces back, but I think he can win a battle title or two.
5) Sandoval – Corner infielder stats need to be big. Panda’s weight and consistency will determine, but I don’t know if he stays skinny long enough to hit over 400 HRs. .310-.320 career average is possible.
6) Bumgarner – Has the body of a guy who could hang around for 20 years, but way too early to tell.
Big Time, and
maybe Bummy, forget the rest.
by Billy Swift on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Busy Buster Posey Fapping
I like clicking on the Rank number 1 next to Florida State. He was miles ahead of everyone.
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