Quick Poll
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 9, 2012 8:36 AM PST
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PrintWhile staring at the Anthony Rizzo trade and waiting for it to make sense like one of those Magic Eye thingies, a poll question popped into my head. Between the Jason Kubel signing/Parra demotion, the Rizzo trade, the Cuddyer signing, the Hairston/Ellis/Kennedy utility jamboree in Los Angeles, and the Giants' ... whatever this offseason was, this is a fair question to ask.
And I'm not sure there's a right answer, either.
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I vote Not-Dodgers.
All of the rest of the NL West FO are really good at one thing and mediocre-to- horsecrap at everything else.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
See I was thinking Dodgers only because they are going to be sold right? which many times means new front office …. they are all a rather less than stellar group.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Do you think you could make the picture a little larger? I’m having trouble seeing what’s going on.
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I can’t look at the upper right-hand corner too long before uncontrollable laughter
Ultra-projectable
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
by fjm on Jan 9, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Columbo was a handsome young man.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 9, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I read this as...
Given a Yankees style budget, what FO would you trust that money most with? I voted the D-backs. They seem to spend their money the wisest of the five.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 9, 2012 8:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like his moves.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
Counterpoint: we tried to do that too.
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Looking at odd things
DBacks have had 3 good builds (RJ era, Webb\Haren era\ Upton era) in the time Giants have had 2 (Bonds era, and now).
Their new GM came in last year, fixed the pen and took a last place team into first. But I think the real money is their executive team. They seem to really know baseball. There was a reason in the early Dbacks era they went after Sandburg, Matt Williams, Randy Johnson, even Buck Showalter. They have old school grit and work well in new school world.
But if you want to just cherry pick one signing, then go for it. Barry Zito.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 9, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
First version of DBacks ownership went after vets and threw money at Schilling and Johnson. Both Schilling and Johnson basically carried that 2001 team on their backs throughout the playoffs (see, you can win with just pitching. And Luis Gonzalez). Can’t really say it was smart management as it was just a lot of check throwing
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
We did? According to who, Boras?
I only saw two “journalist” reports … one quoted a “major league source” and the other was not attributed. No confirmation/denial from either FO. Anyone have anything else?
That whole scenario reeked of a failed Boras play.
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As a super utility guy? Whats wrong with that?
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Who actually had a decent fucking year.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I mean Bloomquist is a fine backup when your starters are Drew and Kelly/Hill (I did not agree with the hill trade)
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I guess its Johnson/Hill
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
I don't get the love for Towers
This offseason, Towers signed:
Hill 2/$11 milllion
2 backup MIs: Bloomquist 2/$3.8 million and MacDonald 2/$3 million
(with Blum under contract for $1.35M)
Kubel for 2/$15 milion when they already have Parra
Those four signings equals $16.4 million a year for the next two years with a current payroll of $45 million.
Diamondbacks did well last year but Towers basically got some bullpen guys and the remainders were players he inherited.
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I cannot even imagine what the McC would do if Sabean made those signings especially if it meant eating up 1/3 of the payroll.
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If Sabean signed those guys for a third of the Giants’ budget, then, yes, I imagine there would be a real problem.
As it stands, people aren’t too enamored with the money Sabean did spend.
Sure
but we’re talking 1) the signing of one extra lefty and 2) talent evaluation as to Pagan/Melky v. Torres/Beltran. Not to mention all those issue basically go away next year.
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The bulk of the payroll/roster was pretty well settled for the Diamondbacks. Their cheap talent is pretty damned great. Our cheap talent is, for the most part, no longer that cheap. Towers spent 1/3 of his team’s payroll on spare parts (or, in baseball terms, “complimentary pieces”) and “hole-plugging”, while the Giants are spending nearly that percentage on Zito, Rowand and Huff.
That makes no sense
if you have 1/3 of the budget to spend, you shouldn’t hole plug. You should sign someone who is going to make an impact on the team.
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I don’t think he realizes what he’s doing.
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I do
I would never and could never defend the FO for signing either Rowand or Zito. Rowand because he was not that good to begin with and Zito because he was a pitcher.
The point still stands as to Tower.
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I would never and could never defend the FO for signing either Rowand or Zito.
You have
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
I have not.
The closest I have done is to say that Magowan is responsible for Zito and maybe Rowand. But nonetheless, the signings are non-defensible.
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Also
I consider ownership part of the FO.
If Magowan was responsible the Zito/Rowand signings, then he is culpable. If not, the blame falls on Sabean.
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This
If Magowan was responsible the Zito/Rowand signings, then he is culpable. If not, the blame falls on Sabean.
As much as I dislike some (many) of Sabean’s moves, there is NO WAY he signs Zito for 7 years at $127M. That was a McGowan move, clear and simple; a PR move that he has slipped past us as the savior of the Giants disappears. Conveniently. Maybe they were going to Tampa, maybe not, but Zito and Rowand signings (as CalBear points out) are indefensible. And they were at the time of the signings.
Don't believe everything you think.
re Zito signing
It’s so much easier to bid when you know everyone else’s bids.
Putting a roster together is a inexact science, very good GMs swing and miss often.
In response to how huge the Zito contract was
Right because none of the top payroll teams have horrible contracts.
so the Giants are basically par for the course.
All I said was that the Giants are in line with other teams in offering bad contracts.
How is that not defending the signing?
You’re not saying it’s a good signing; you’re not even saying it’s not a bad signing, but you’re saying "mistakes are going to happen, and it’s no worse than other people’s mistakes. That’s defending it.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
It's not defending the signing
it’s talking about whether the FO is better or worse than any other contending FO.
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That’s not defending it in the slightest. What an odd point to try to make.
by Monkeyking42 on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Considering
I said in that same conversation that Zito was a horrific signing. Nothing.
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Well, I wasn’t the only one who read it as defending the signing. I guess it’s more of a defense of the FO, and I feel like that’s one in the same. If you defend the front office for making the mistake, you’re defending the mistake, but I can see how you separate the two.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
No he is not.
The closest I have done is to say that Magowan is responsible for Zito and maybe Rowand.
Dickey And Magowan say not true. Only deal magowan got directly involved in was Bonds and that was through Bobby.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Zito had Magowan’s fingerprints all over it— a panicky move made in light of bad publicity over Bonds’ steroids rumors and a team mired in mediocrity. It was a move just to bring people into the park, nothing more, nothing less
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Also very non-Sabean
who hated the long term FA contracts.
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Sure
but we’re talking 1) the signing of one extra lefty and 2) talent evaluation as to Pagan/Melky v. Torres/Beltran. Not to mention all those issue basically go away next year.
Yeah, when you put it that way it doesn’t seem so bad. But then when you realize those moves basically constitute all the financial flexibility the Giants had this offseason and they could have probably have acquired an impact bat with that money, then it seems much worse.
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I wonder whether Sabean was as surprised as we were that mgmt wasn’t going to give him any money to play with.
Perhaps, but I think it’s something he probably still knew going into the offseason. That’d be hilarious if he picked up Affeldt’s option, and then they told him he had $10 MM more to play with.
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Sabean always looks beaten down during the off-season when everybody else is signing people so I always imagined the FO’s short financial leash bugs him too. Not of course enough to leave, however.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Look, Huff paid off handsomely the first year for peanuts
Let’s wait to see what he does this year before putting in the same shit bag with Zito and Rowand.
Don't believe everything you think.
Ugh.
Correct answer: AA or Friedman.
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Who is AA again?
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That'd be pretty awesome, actually.
Also, HI DAVE!
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The rest of the league laughs at this division
and rightfully. There’s a lot of talent on the crew with chimps in pirate hats at the helm. Cute and may potentially bite your face off, but overall not threatening.
Last year was the first year since 2006 the NL West didn’t send a team to the NLCS.
The Central divisions are the runts of the league.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The division has also been home to 10 of the last 13 Cy Young award winners; Johnson (4), Gagne (1), Webb (1), Peavy (1), Lincecum (2), Kershaw (1). The other winners are Clemens, Carpenter, and Halladay.
This division has its shortcomings, but there are a few thing is does incredibly well, and for the last half decade it has easily been been better than Houston, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Louis.
Another example: over the last 5 years, the Central has produced 12 teams over .500 (out of a possible 60), and four of those were the Cardinals. The East prouced 13 (out of a possible 45). The West produced 15 (out of a possible 45).
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Wait, how are there so few teams over .500? Interleague and the AL East? Skewed distribution?
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Well first of all, I had a serious brain fart with math. That should be 30 and 25. That’s a pretty obvious, stupid error on my part, so sorry for that. Anyway, 60% of NL West teams, 55% of NL East teams, and 40% of NL Central teams finished over .500. As a whole, the league produced 40 teams over .500, or 50%.
As for the AL, they produced 34 seasons of better than .500, 17 of which were by the AL East. The West produced 9 (out of 20), and the Central produced 8 (out of 25) That’s out of 70 total seasons, but there were two seasons of exactly .500. So, it pretty much carves out to a 50-50 split in the AL, too.
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Ok, that makes much more sense. I mean, it’d be possible, but you’d have to have a really skewed distribution.
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SI’s write up of the NL West before the ‘11 season was how the division is what it is because everybody puts such an emphasis on pitching that there’s not a lot of runs being scored and every team has just enough good pitching (well, maybe not the Rockies) to constantly make the division close
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
It’s a pretty odd generalization, given that the division produced the bottom two run-scorers in the league, but also two of the top four.
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this was at the start of last season so it’s based on old numbers. And the Rockies, of course, were seen as fluky but their pitching was thought to be better than it was
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
LOL CARDINALS
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Phillies: RAJ (enough said)
Atlanta: Probably best front office but seems to always be cutting payroll
Marlin: Spending like a drunk guy who just won the lottery
Mets: Can’t say…Alderson is too new.
Nationals: Spendings tons of money…not sure about effectiveness
NL Central is not good.
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I think the nationals actually have a really good FO.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Not-Jim Bowden was a step in the right direction.
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I agree
But there’s a lot of good fortune mixed in with some savvy there.
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Most of the good fortune was being able to escape Jim Bowden with Zimmerman, Zimermann, Norris and Espinosa.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Espinosa.
I would really like to have Espinosa on the Giants roster.
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Yeah, me too
I’d take Desmond too, but Espinosa’s better. Maybe one makes the other expendable?
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I’d take Desmond too, but Espinosa’s better. Maybe one makes the other expendable?
PleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePleasePlease let it be Espinosa.
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Mike Morse!
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One of my favorite players.
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The Brewers and Cardinals aren’t too shabby, no? I can’t think of any reason the Reds would be considered bad either.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
One winning season since Y2K.
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Have they been in place since then? And also, you can’t just look at winning seasons – money plays a big factor into that.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
For the past half-decade or so they’ve been in the same neighborhood as the Rockies, and above the Diamondbacks and Padres.
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Not sure what team you're refering to
Doug Melvin took over for the Brewers in 2003 and inherited a terrible team. I think he’s done alright, turning them into a 500ish team from 2005-2007 and then 3 90+ seasons since then.
Jocketty had decent years with the Cardinals and took over GM of the Reds in April of 2008. I don’t think he’s done an awful job since then. I could be forgetting stuff though.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Just going off of the historical record we have to look at. The Brewers have built a strong team, but traded a lot of their farm system to get there and there’s some speculation that the Grienke trade was an indication that their window is closing. The Reds may turn into a perennial contender, but we’ve yet to see that solidify. The young pitching that got them there in 2010 regressed heavily in 2011, they’ve had to move some pieces, and there’s speculation that they won’t be able to hold onto Votto.
The Cubs and Astros have have brief flashes of competency in the last half decade or so, and a lot of futility. And the Pirates continue to scuffle. Meanwhile, the Cardinals keep turning in winning seasons on the shoulders of beating bad competition. It’s a division that’s more chaff than wheat, probably the worst in the sport until proven otherwise.
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So it sounds like you agree with me. They aren’t bad.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I am not so sure that the Reds are for real, especially after the Latos trade. The Brewers are good, but I could see them coming back to earth in as few as two years.
I’m more comfortable saying that they’ve been bad than I am saying that they are good.
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But a blanket statement of “the NL Central is not good” isn’t a fair one to make.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
No more unfair than people making the same accusations about the NL West, or praising the NL East.
For the last half-decade, it’s been the softest division in the sport. That might be different in 3-5 more years when Theo’s had time to get the Cubs pointed in the right direction, and there’s nothing to stop them from doing well next year, but I remain skeptical of the division supporting more than one or two good teams at a time, and with the Astros leaving after this year, their wild card chances will diminish significantly.
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there’s rumors that the Reds’ ownership is getting freaked out by all the money they’re spending and about to pull the plug on their little experiment in running a competent team
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Excluding the Cubs, White Sox, and Tigers, market size and payroll are big issues for the Central teams in both leagues.
Yes that isn’t their fault, but it hampers their ability to stay competitive all the same.
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As to what he is going to do with the Mets
I mean Omar Minaya was really good with the Expos.
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Omar was not. He gave away the entire farm system for Bartolo Colon.
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That was because
they were going to lose the team soon and Omar needed to make a splash.
Colon was really good for the Expos in 2002.
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It was still a crappy trade!
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Phillips and Lee came out to be really good but what’s the point of having good prospects if the team is going to cease to exist in 2 years.
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Its not like MLB was planning on moving the team to the Bermuda Triangle and hoping they disappear.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
but it’s not like Omar Minaya was going to be around.
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Baseball might still be in montreal if weren’t for that trade.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I am going to say no on this one.
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Although their attendance increased from 7,935 per game in 2001 to 10,031 in 2002,45 MLB decided that the Expos would play 22 of their home games at Hiram Bithorn Stadium in San Juan, Puerto Rico in 2003.
Yeah…they were probably much toast.
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The Expos were dead men walking for years
Any baseball fan in Canada could tell you that the Expos were in trouble since at least the ‘90s. Every spring there was always the “is this their last year in Montreal” story. I’m surprised they lasted as long as they did.
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While there's something to this point
in that some GMs work better in some environments . …
Alderson has a pretty extensive track record, and Minaya’s accomplishments in Montreal were pretty nonexistent.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Getting Wheeler for a puddle of Beltran was a good start.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Was a good trade.
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Good is not the right word
reasonable trade in an effort to get to another postseason/WS
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No, it was bad. The difference between Beltran and Schierholtz in 200 plate appearances is at best one win.
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Did you really trust Nate (who went down for the last part of the season) to be the one who could pick the Giants up on their back and carry them into the playoffs?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not a question of trust. It’s a question of cost-benefit analysis. How much benefit do you get from Beltran? How much do you lose in Wheeler? Turns out we didn’t gain much in Beltran and we stand to lose a lot in Wheeler. I said this before the trade happened and then it did. Now I’m bitter.
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Braves had the same kind of off-season and off-season philosophy as we did
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Worse
they spent no money so far and are looking to trade away one of their SPs and Prado.
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I should've used the term "The Majors" instead of league
But seriously, for as competitive as the division’s been, there’s been a level of mismanagement especially on the part of us and the bums that’s mostly ridiculous.
Whoops...
I voted for the Rockies on accident, meaning the dbacks.
OT - Cool tour
Sure you could take your Aunt Mike and Uncle Emma to Alcatraz, but everyone does that.
Why not tour the SF Armory/Kink.com instead? Maybe finish up with a Fernet at the Zeitgeist?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
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Valencia Street
Don’t forget Good vibrations, just up the street from Zeitgeist. Then Stop off for a couple of 40’s at a liquor store and head to Dolores park. or if malt liquore’s not your thing, botique Ice cream from birite might do you.
And there’s always the science fiction Bookstore on Valencia, if you want to balance out the porn/erotic toys with literature.
:)
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Don’t forget Good vibrations
My downstairs neighbors.
I took my sister-in-law and her fiance on this tour on New Years day.
Was it worth it?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Abstain
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m voting for Ron Paul here.
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Jon Huntsman is too pretty to be a good GM. We’re not selling jeans here.
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Haha.
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Handegg OT:
All I could think about yesterday after hearing about the Broncos beating Pittsburgh was that the Niners only scored 20 points on the Steelers.
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The Steelers only scored 3 points against the Niners.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Agreed
I’m just thinking about the matchup with the Saints (who I was hoping having a flawless game and make their mistakes against the Niners)
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Really?
Not being snarky cuz I didn’t really watch the game but they had Harrison.
Mendenhall was out but the backup RB was pretty much gashing the Broncos right?
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The Steelers have been really bad for like a month and a half. Really, really sucky. They were on the ropes twice against the Browns in the last month. The Browns.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
They haven’t been the same since Ben broke his thumb. Throw in his ankle and they’ve really been bad since then.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
And if McGahee holds onto that ball all Denver scores is 26.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
The Niners haven’t really attempted to score more than they need to in pretty much every game this year. The one game they ran away with, they only threw the ball 19 times. They didn’t want all those points. The Bucs just said, “here, have some points,” and the 49ers said, “Aw, shucks.”
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
The whole thing depends on the defense. Luckily, the defense is really good. They have an honest shot. It just won’t be easy.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I am not sure whether the NO o-line is that good or the Detroit D-line that awful. I know that NO has 3 pro bowlers on the o-line but Detroit got absolutely no pressure on Brees and couldn’t stop the run.
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Saints were 12th against the rush. I suspect the 49ers will try to control the clock that way, but the Saints are at least solid against it.
Definitely
the key will be if the Niners can get pressure without blitzing.
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Yeah, I think this game comes down to if three guys show up or not. Aldon, Willis and Rogers.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Playing at home helps
But I’m not too optimistic. I’m not sure the Saints can be stopped even by a good defense, and I’m not sure the Niners can score much even against a bad defense.
Niners scored 30+ against Seahawks, Tampa and the Rams.
They scored in the mid-20s against Dallas, Detroit (@ Det), and the Giants.
I guess the question is how much of that scoring resulted from the defense and ST being really good.
Pressure on Brees is the key.
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Really I think the key is Gore
Saints’ defense against the run is pretty bad. If the Niners can exploit that, they should win the game, because the defense should be able to at least keep NO from scoring 30.
The Niners scored at least 20 points in every one of their home games, and allowed more than 20 points at home only once (the loss to the Cowboys).
They Saints didn’t fare that well against decent defensive teams on the road.
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The only thing I see happening that will work against the 49ers is the graphic about how amazing they are at forcing turnovers and their + / – being best in the league… and then they have a bunch of turnovers themselves… I don’t imagine they’ll be able to pick off Brees many times or force too many fumbles, but, hey, it IS at home and they ARE the Saints (to some degree)…
Brees is accurate, but it’s not like he never gives up the ball.
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Sure, but — as a fan, at least — I don’t bank on more than 1 INT by the defense. That’s not to say I think Brees will throw all over them, but he will very likely have more than 300 yards passing.
Yeah. But when you factor in QB pressure, tearing a ball out from Sproles, Thomas, or Ivory, punching a ball out from Colston or Graham… there are a lot of ways the Niners can get to the ball.
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The saints had 6 fumbles the whole year.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
He’s thrown for at least 300 yards in something like 1/3 of his NFL starts.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I meant 1/3 to be impressive. I wasn’t taking away from him. That’s remarkable.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't give it up much
14 INTs and one fumble this season. Granted, none of those 17 games were against the Niners’ defense.
One game SSS
but it seems like the Saints receivers carried the ball pretty loosely against the Lions.
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The idiotically optimistic side of me hopes that Harbaugh is hiding 49er offensive prowess to surprise other teams in the post-season. Then I look at their receiver quality and tight end depth and Alex Smith (to some extent) and say they would if they could but they probably can’t.
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Padres.
At least when they rebuild, they rebuild.
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And they got really good value for Latos
Less for Rizzo, but that trade was only slightly skewed for the Cubs. I like what they’re doing a lot.
They’ll score more runs than the Giants next year.
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They’ll score more runs than the Giants next year.
And no, I don’t think they will. Care to make a bet?
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Not if they replace Crawford with Burriss
as the starting SS.
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Burriss can barely hack it at 2B. No way he goes to SS.
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No way?
Really?
Wanna put $$ on that?
These are the GIANTS you are talking about. Expect the unexpected, or at least expect the “totally illogical, doesn’t make a lick of sense”
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But if I’m wrong, you can make fun of me.
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The last time you brought this up, I suspect you had to leave early since it was NYE. This is what I posted then:
They’ve improved by acquiring Quentin, but have you checked out the BABIPs of the position players who ranked #2, #3, and #4 by fWAR last year? Hundley (catcher): .362. Headley: .368. Guzman: .360. There’s really no reason to expect that they’ll sustain those rates. Rizzo might improve, but if they’re going to give Guzman time, they’d have to put him in the OF.
We’re getting a major contributor back (Posey), a solid contributor relative to the dreck we’d throw out there (Sanchez), and something in between a deadcat bounce and decent production (Huff). I could be wrong, but I don’t recall the Padres suffering any such catastrophic injuries/letdowns last year.
Yes, usually the top guys by WAR are going to have good BABIPs because of selection bias. But probably not that much above what I would expect. And then they traded Rizzo. I don’t think Alonso is all that good.
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I don't think they're going to get a solid contribution from Freddy Sanchez
on account of multiple DL stints, if not a season-ending injury that, that he will likely endure.
Yeah, I may have been a bit off with that. My point is that I think we’re going to get a substantial amount of regression (the way we want), whereas the Padres are going to get a substantial amount of regression leading to fewer runs.
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I believe that the Padres will score about as many runs as they did last year.
The regression you talk about offset by the acquisition of better offensive players.
I also believe the Giants will score about as many runs as they did last year.
The regression you talk about offset by aging, reliance on injured players, and inefficient allocation of playing time.
So I project them both to do about as they did last season, and thus project the Padres to score more.
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The regression you talk about offset by the acquisition of better offensive players.
Who? They essentially traded Rizzo for Alonso, which in terms of true talent is a loss in my book.
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But Rizzo was awful last season.
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I mean, hell
Last season, Padres 1B’s combined to hit .230/.301/.359
You don’t think Alonso could improve on that slash line with 150 games at 1B?
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I don’t think he’ll be better than Rizzo, no.
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That wasn’t the question though. Rizzo did not help the Padres score runs last year. Alonso likely will this year.
by Monkeyking42 on Jan 9, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
And apparently this is covered in the posts below that already happened.
by Monkeyking42 on Jan 9, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t returning players being healthy count for anything? Sometimes it seems people forget just how banged up the Giants were and not just to Buster and Freddy.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
It counts to the extent that you're "returning" them at high levels of production and playing time.
Returning Sanchez doesn’t count for anything if he gets hurt again or plays poorly. Ditto for Posey.
You don’t get to just bank production from them as if they’d never gotten hurt.
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The same goes for prospects, though. Penciling value for Alonso makes a lot of the same assumptions.
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Sure
But at least Alonso was physically able to play baseball all last year though. And the standards are lower for Alonso than for Posey, at least, who is counted on to replace (essentially) his performance from last year and the performance gained from Beltran, who was supposed to carry Posey’s load in the second half of last season.
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Remember that time Nick Johnson was your white whale?
How times change.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Where would he rank on the list of
Players-most-discussed-on-MCC-as-potential-future-Giants-who-never-became-Giants?
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It would have to be near the top
I think the Vlad thing happened before MCC or he would probably top the list. Fielder has to come pretty close as well.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Joe Crede.
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Prince Fielder?
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I like Johnson
I’d still like to see the Giants sign him to a minor league contract.
And, to a certain extent, signing guys with injury histories can be useful, as the injury history can suppress their price. But we don’t have to sign Posey, we already have him.
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Nick Johnson looked pretty done last year.
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Yeah
Very sad.
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Holy crap, aren’t you the one always yelling about 150 PAs in the majors being meaningless if there’s better evidence to support otherwise?
Rizzo in the majors (153 PA): .141/.281/.242, .210 BABIP, 30% K. No doubt, the K’s are alarming…it’s almost Beltian.
Rizzo in AAA (413 PA): .331/.404/.652, .369 BABIP, 21.5% K.
Which do you think is more predictive of how he’ll turn out?
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You're misunderstanding me
I’m not saying the Alonso is BETTER than Rizzo. He is not.
I’m just saying that Alonso will PLAY BETTER next year than Rizzo did last year.
That’s all that matters in terms of comparing the relative run scoring of the 2011 and 2012 Padres.
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But I think that by keeping Rizzo the 2012 Hypothetical Padres would’ve been than the 2012 actual Padres. And that hurts them relative to the Giants.
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Sure
2012 Padres Rizzo would have hit better than 2011 Padres Rizzo.
2012 Padres Alonso will likely hit better than 2011 Padres Rizzo.
The Padres would have improved their 1B production with either of them. Probably moreso with Rizzo than Alonso, but either of them will improve the production.
Hence why, even though they don’t have Rizzo, I still think they’ll improve their production from 1B.
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Another thing I find odd about the trade is it seems like the Cubs won in regards to the two lesser prospects involved. It sounds like Cates could eventually throw some innings in the Majors, even if it’s just middle relief, while it doesn’t seem as hopeful for Na.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
The regression you talk about offset by aging, reliance on injured players, and inefficient allocation of playing time.
1) Who in the lineup would the aging thing affect?
2) Reliance on injured players? as opposed to having all the players injured?
3) inefficient allocation of playing time…Considering how awful Huff was last year, it doesn’t matter who you allocate for his time.
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1) Who in the lineup would the aging thing affect?
Everyone, since everyone is a year older.
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Apparently
the Padres hitters live in a time warp bubble.
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I’m suspicious about how much we’re going to “get back” from Posey or Sanchez. Huff will probably get a bit better, but he’ll likely be worse than what we could get out of Belt, who he’ll play over.
I don’t see how we can count on getting a major contributor back in Posey. He’s much more of a wild card than a counted-on contributor.
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Those three guys I mentioned totaled something like 1,000 PAs for the Padres, if memory serves, with a BABIP about .050 higher than would be expected. That’s about 50 hits. That’s a huge amount of regression down.
My point is that, if anything, there should be a moderate uptick in the Giants run production, and a probably pretty large dropoff in the Padres. I could easily see that bridging a 23 run gap.
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Well, if Buster Posey somehow manages to be a 4-win player next season, then we’ll know he’s something special.
Call me a doubter.
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We're way ahead of you.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 9, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
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They scored 23 more runs than us last season
I think it’s fairly safe to say they’ve improved their offense this offseason.
I’m not sure if we’ve improved ours.
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two words
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This would be a really interesting bet
I think it is going to be close.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Only slightly skewed?
You think Cashner can start consistently?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I thought the Cubs bludgeoned the Pads in that trade
Good, cost controlled 1B for a reliever with shoulder issues (who also has 1 less year of service time remaining)?
Not to mention the trade for Quentin was clownshoes.
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Cashner's under control for another 4 years, I thought?
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I think marcello is saying that Cashner has one less year than Rizzo.
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by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
I think Cashner has 5 years left and Rizzo has 6.
This doesn’t affect the trade, but the Cubs are also going to keep him down this year, at least to start, so he won’t eclipse 1 year of service time at the end of the season.
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Oh, ok, I understand
Cashner has the potential to be one of the better relievers in the NL. Rizzo’s prolly an average to above average 1B. That’s advantage Cubs, but not by a ridiculous amount.
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Why would
Rizzo who is 21 and destroyed the PCL ala Belt last year be an “above average” 1B.
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You vastly underestimate Rizzo's upside
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Yes. Dude slugged .652 as a 21 year old in the PCL.
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I think Rizzo's probably better than that, but obviously the bar at 1B is high
A reliever though, with the worst type of injury history for a pitcher, is a pretty big gamble. I just can’t justify trading a top prospect for a reliever.
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I wouldn't have done it either
It was not a good deal for the Padres.
But he’s made more good deals than bad ones in his tenure thusfar, short as it may be.
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I can’t understand the Street and Quentin trades either, they don’t make sense. Even if they gave up nothing, both are only under control for 1 year, and it’s a year that the Pads clearly aren’t going to be contending. I guess you’re hoping to flip them at the deadline, but that’s a risk that they’re actually productive and healthy in July. Time will tell if that works out, but it’s certainly not the approach I would take.
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All they lose is money if it doesn't work out
And if it does, you either get production for your team or a return in prospects.
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They’re obviously just taking advantage of the fact that it doesn’t often rain in San Diego.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
Well
They lose money and the guys they traded, and in Quentin’s case they lost two potential relievers. Cheap relievers aren’t a bad thing.
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The Padres know that
That’s why they traded their first baseman of the future to get one!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I'm really not sure why the Padres aren't running away with this
I mean, just look at what Byrnes has done in just a few months.
Traded nothing for Huston Street.
Traded nothing for Carlos Quentin.
Traded Latos for Grandal, Volquez, Alsonso, Boxburger.
Traded Rizzo and Caters for Cashner and Na.
The first two, in terms of value recieved for value relinquished, are pretty clear wins for San Diego, and both those guys could theoretically be flipped at the deadline if needed.
The Latos trade I’d call a marginal win for the Padres. Hard to ever “win” a trade where you lose your best pitcher, but they got back a lot of value in guys who will be with them for years to come.
I’d give the win for the Rizzo trade to the Cubs, but it wasn’t that bad for the Padres.
Every front office in this division has its ups and downs, but at least at the moment, the Padres downs don’t appear that large and their ups appear significant.
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Except
they are awful for 8 years and good for one.
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And that is a reflection on their current FO how?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Probably
considering they have had this FO for like 3 months and they used to be the Dback’s FO.
Rebuilding is a lot easier than maintaining.
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The fact that they were awful for 8 years is “probably” a reflection on the FO they’ve had “for like 3 months.” You’re not even trying today.
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Sorry
I mean probably not.
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Becasue they just lost their best guy (Hoyer) to the Cubs, while Dipoto took over with full power. Dipoto is the genius that drafted Loux at #6 overall in the 2010 draft. Not to mention that Dipoto is the guy that has made all of the strange trades and FA signings this offseason.
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After voting, I realize I really like Tidrow, Barr, and Evans. I could see working with them.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Grrr. Hit post too early.
With the resources (both financial and talent already signed/playing) I think the Giants have the best of the lot.
It’s a safe summary to say that the vast majority of the pissing going on around here during the offseason hasn’t been about how terrible things ARE, but rather how easily they could have been improved to varying degrees of domination in the coming year, but weren’t.
Last year was a black hole of suck plagued by injuries to key players and near-simultaneous regression to (and maybe past?) the mean for several others.
On paper, our Opening Day lineup should have been expected to contend deep into the season. The fact that it took so long for us to be eliminated using the schmoes who actually DID play the majority of the season is a minor miracle.
On paper, we already have enough of the pieces to be contenders in our division this year, without needing to rely on unreasonable resurgences from Posey or Sanchez. But damned if we didn’t have a few chances to really shore up our chances, but didn’t.
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I believe Jim Barr is probably the best front office person in the division. And he isn’t a GM.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 9:41 AM PST reply actions
What exactly is Barr’s duties with the team.
For all the flak that Sabean gets, he has some really nice/smart guys working for him. That goes a long way in my book.
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Duh, I meant John Barr
Anyway, he was hired as Souting Director in 2007 and got promoted to “Special Asistant to GM”.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
IMO, this is a pretty impressive bio
Longtime baseball executive John Barr is in his fourth season with the Giants and oversees amateur and international scouting.
Under Barr’s guidance since 2008, the Giants have drafted impact players like 2010 Rookie of the Year Buster Posey. In addition, Barr has drafted top prospects Zachary Wheeler, who earned the 2009 Georgia Gatorade Player of the Year award, as well as hard-hitting backstop Tommy Joseph and speedster Gary Brown with their 1st overall pick in 2010.
Barr, who was instrumental in the selection and signing of current All-Star catcher Russell Martin as well as relievers Jonathan Broxton and Scott Proctor during his 10-year stint as the Dodgers East Coast scouting supervisor, will begin his 27th season as a baseball executive in 2010. He has served as a scouting director for the Baltimore Orioles (1989-90) and New York Mets (1994-97), while also working as the assistant general manager for the San Diego Padres (1991-93). After entering the baseball front office ranks in 1984 with the Mets as an administrative assistant to the minor leagues and scouting, the Audubon, NJ native became the East Coast scouting director for the Minnesota Twins in 1988.
The 53-year-old Barr was also responsible for selecting Mike Mussina (1990) and Ben McDonald (1989) with the Orioles’ first-round draft picks, while also tabbing Paul Wilson for the Mets in 1994. During his tenure as the scouting director for the Mets, he also picked right-handed pitcher A.J. Burnett, along with outfielders Jay Payton and Terrence Long.
Barr was inducted into the Mid-Atlantic Scouts Hall of Fame in November of 2008 and was inducted into the Professional Baseball Scouts Hall of Fame during the summer of 2009.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
related note. tidrow and evans kept sabean from seeing lincecum until right before he was drafted because they knew sabean would have nixed it based on his prejudices against non-cookie-cutter players. I thought this was pretty well known. and laughed about publicly after Lincecum’s first Cy Young.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Jan 9, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Just totally false
They kept Sabes away because they didn’t want to tip their hand that Timmy was their #1 guy. Having the #10 pick, the Giants knew that they were going to have to dodge some bullets in order for Timmy to still be on the board when they picked. If Tidrow loves a pitcher, Sabes isn’t going to overrule him unless it’s a money issue. Tidrow also was the first guy to spot MadBum when scouting for the 2007 draft.
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More importantly..
there is a Scout’s Hall of Fame ?
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we know its all about the rings
except when we talk about the giants, then its all about semantics like how many runs we win by.
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OT - chem (buffers)
‘morning McCoven. Long time no see. Finally finished Storm of Swords, now I’m back to Abarat 3. That book is…odd.
Anyways, I’m ashamed to say that I’m not only here to say hi but to beg for homework help (though I’ll gladly stick around to discuss food). I missed a lecture an am apparently now paying for it. Chem is evil. Anyone?
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I liked o-chem
chair formation FTW!
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This is like the o-chem half of undergrad general chem. So 500 people get droned at in a lecture all and the TAs never actual talk to the professor. Meh. But anyways…
Design a procedure to prepare 70 ml of .20 M potassium dihydrogen phosphate solution (KH2PO4) and 70 ml of .20 M dipotassium hydrogen phosphate solution (K2HPO4) from the solids.
It’s probably less interesting than chair formations. I’ll come back with those later. I don’t want anyone to do the problem outright, but someplace to start would be helpful.
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Bah...think I have it.
And now I feel like an idiot. But just to check…for KH2PO4…
You end up needing ~2 grams of solid which you then just mix with X amount of water. Would you be expected to calculate the amount of water too or do you just measure it out?
This is a prelab, by the way. One more thing after this that will hopefully be pretty quick.
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It's probably a stupid question.
Um, so can you dissolve 2 grams of whatsit in say 40 ml (arbitrary number) of water and then just add water into the beaker until you hit 70? Or should/can you calculate the amount of water you need to dissolve 2 grams of whatsit in order to up with 70 ml of solution? Or should I just stop thinking and write “Dissolve 2 grams of KH2PO4 into water.”
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Once the solute has fully dissolved into solvent, all you need to worry about is adding solvent until you hit the desired point (and hopefully the solute dissolves before 70 mL). Thus, your first answer should be sufficient (the arbitrary point is when the solute has fully dissolved).
Thanks! One more thing if you’re still around and then I’ll go back to a subject that I actually know something about…so I’ve got a table of stuff here…same compounds, different volumes…one of them being…
Solution #2 :15.00 ml of .1 M K2HPO4, 5.00 ml of .1 M KH2PO4, and 30.00 ml of water…
Is this a buffer and how do I know that?
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Going by the context of the experiment I kinda figure that all of the solutions are buffers. But I’m not sure I can write that up as my logic in the pre-lab.
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I mean, from a semantics point of view, everything is technically a buffer. It’s just a matter of what pH you’re operating at. But in this case, it’s definitely a buffer because those are a conjugate acid/base pair: one of them is simply the deprotonated form of the other.
It’d be like adding acetic acid (CH3COOH) and sodium acetate (CH3COONa): the acetate is simply the deprotonated form of the acid, so that makes it a buffering solution.
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So that would apply to all of the ones that contain both compounds then, yes?
What about…at the bottom and top of this table here I’ve got…
- 20ml K2HPO4 and 0ml KH2PO4 and
- 0ml K2HPO4 and 20ml KH2PO4
Are those not buffers since they only have an acid or a base respectively?
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Yeah, they’d probably not be terrific buffers since there’s no conjugate acid/base.
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Awesome.
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuu! And you, Hyoton. The help is very much appreciated.
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Sure thing. Go go Stanford Chemistry.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I am currently planning out my buffers for an experiment later today. Unfortunately, I need to run right now—if you’re around later (say 2-3 p.m. pacific) I might be able to help out. Post your question anyway.
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Thanks! And see above.
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Anyone seen the latest episode of Sherlock?
It was pretty damn good.
tryin to convince Mrs Hobbs here, she’s a big holmes fan too and hated the first one. thought robert downey was "what do you always call Sabean…oh yeah, “assclown” LOL true. I’m trying to convince her to see the second one. it looks really good in trailers
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Jan 9, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Wei-Yin Chen gets 3 years, 11M from Baltimore
And we are paying 9M+ for 2 years of Lopez.
I has a motherfucking sad.
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Unfortunately
Japanese players are seen as damaged goods as this point.
Seriously, Nishioka should personally apologize to all the NPL players.
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He's not Japanese!
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Sorry
I meant players from the NPB.
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He is truly unique though
but point taken.
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Nishioka?
Try “almost everyone that isn’t Ichiro.”
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Matsui was pretty good
As was Nomo. But, yes, the majority have failed, or at least not justified their price tags. Pretty much what we’ve seen is that NPB numbers should be regarded more or less like AAA numbers; some of the stars at that level carry it into the major leagues, but most become average players or total busts.
I remember Tadahito Iguchi helped save the Phillies in 2007
I don’t know why that was so exciting for me.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Akinori Iwamura fields (fielded?) with an alligator-skin glove.
That’s gotta count for something.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 9, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I was always a fan of Iwamura, alligator glove or not.
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Same here
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
High-priced Japanese players are clearly bad investments.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
LOL
Do you have a list for that ? Wait…aren’t you back in school this week ? Don’t you have some sort of homework to do ?
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I get out at 12:35 on Mondays.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
LOL second semester of senior year
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Some of my friends at other schools have to stay until three every single day. I can’t imagine that.
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C.R.E.A.M.
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Welcome to IB.
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What on earth is going on here?
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International Baccalaureate?
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You can see that?
My screen is showing “by Ceora on Jan 9, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions” and no actual post.
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It also keeps getting highlighted as unread every time I Z through.
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It happens sometimes
The post is visible; it should be there if you refresh.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
No school in this area offers me, but I know people who have taken it. It sounds like the least fun thing ever.
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The teachers were fantastic, though that of course varies by school, the program itself was definitely the least fun thing ever. Oral commentaries!
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how many higher levels classes are you taking. /did this years ago system might have changed
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I graduated in 2010…but I took HL physics, history and English. I started taking HL calc but dropped it at the sememster. Wish I had done HL philosophy.
I feel like I’m forgetting something…you don’t need 4 HL’s do you?
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I finished my in ’04 so it might have changed. I think you needed 3
I did HL: Econ HL: History HL English HL French
SL Maths SL Physics SL Italian
Then of course TOK and CAS extended essay etc. I might be forgetting something.
Higher Level Physics… CRAZY
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Physics was a nightmare. The class was alright but I got a 3 on the test. At least my teacher had a cool dog?
At my high school you were almost stuck taking either HL physics or HL bio unless you were a year ahead in a language. HL philosophy would have meant retaking SL as a TA in my transcript and taking the HL test (should. have. done. it. damn it.) and you could technically do HL chem but it was another under the table sort of thing.
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Just wait. Once you graduate some unreasonable prick is going to expect you to work until 5, sometimes even 6. And then show up at 8 the next morning and do it all over again! It’s messed up, man.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of high school in Europe. You only had to be at school in time for your first class and could leave as soon as you finished your last class. That said I usually never left early.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Yeah, no upperclassman stays around past about 2.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
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I had a lot of classes + school rugby and soccer teams, so I was usually done by 4PM or so each day. Which was fine, because my parents didn’t care if I went out with GF / Friends and came home at 2am, as long as my grades were good. I remember there was one year were I did have a day where I finished at 10am. That was glorious.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
My second semester was kind of like that, but it was in 19…….nevermind. I didn’t think you could get away with that these days.
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It's been like that for me since the start of junior year, actually
It’s really nice. What it means is that I have to go to school at 7:35 four days a week, but it’s worth it. There aren’t a lot of other schools that do things that way, though.
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This is pretty funny
Norichika Aoki’s workout for the Brewers yesterday in Phoenix lasted 75 minutes, reports Nikkan Sports as translated by NPB Tracker’s Patrick Newman. GM Doug Melvin, manager Ron Roenicke, and owner Mark Attanasio were among those present, writes Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. “It was a good workout. He’s probably the kind of player you’d expect, coming from Japan,” said Melvin.
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LOL
PENNER: "Not bad. Better than yesterday. I woke up fine, sat down to eat and it locked right up. It never happened to me before. I couldn’t stand up. I was probably at the third stage of evolution. So my wife helped me get dressed, and then I drove to the rink here, to hope they could do some magic and get it opened up. Kinger [trainer Chris Kingsley] just looked at me and said, `Go home.’ So I got some treatment and went home.
"Apparently it’s one of those mysterious things, where you can throw it out (from) sneezing. I just leaned over to dip into some delicious pancakes that my wife made. It’s just like it [the pain] wraps around you and squeezes. … So it was disappointing. Hopefully it’s just an isolated incident, and not something that’s going to become chronic."
http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/01/08/dustin-penner-the-missing-link/
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WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT LAUGHING AT THIS?
HE INJURED HIMSELF EATING PANCAKES.
Dustin Penner, a hockey player known for being lazy, injured himself enough to be out for tonight’s game through the act of eating pancakes. You can’t make this stuff up.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
This is why you should make sure you do a proper stretching routine before attempting to eat pancakes.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not laughing because I’ve had my back lock up whilst picking up a fork out of the silverware drawer and the pain is fucking excruciating.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 9, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Wow this 11 year old girl can seriously blow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yVH-U3G2IZ8#t=38s
Amazing.
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This girl has some pipes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA1NSGSlxPw
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Phrasing
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Wow.
I’m not sure if I’m more impressed by the girl or by the fact that there’s such a thing as an International Whistler’s Convention. Either way, I wish I could do that.
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North Carolina
where the blowing happens!
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Why don't you take a seat...
Pretty impressive though
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I wonder how many hours a day she spends whistling.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
OT
Wife and I went and saw The Artist last night. Good film, good story. Go see it.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 9, 2012 10:44 AM PST reply actions
I prefer talkies.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
haha
jakedan0932 Jacob Dan
@Buck too bad you dont have this much personality on the air!
@Buck
Joe Buck
@jakedan0932 too bad you don’t. Wait, what?
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HAHA! I’ve actually always like Joe Buck, its McCarver that kills the broadcasts.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
PINEAPPLE SHORTCAKE 4 LIFE
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No Strawberry Shortcake?
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Nope just Strawberry Shortcut
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GG Strawberry Shortcake FTW!
One of these days I’ll make it back to the Strawberry Festival. In junior high we cruised down there to “scam” on the girls.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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So this happened.
manolo hernandez d. @beisbolporgotas
C Héctor Sánchez expected to be named Vzla’s Rookie of the Year Wed.Many experts have written it might be unanimously. #SFGiants, #Tiburones
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Los Tiburones!
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He’s going to end up in the top 2 or 3 of the MVP ballot, too.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
All snarking aside
I wonder what the Giants think of this. I have to imagine they send scouts to watch their players in the winter leagues.
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JoeRitzo Joe Ritzo
Had a long conversation with #sfgiants Director of Player Development Fred Stanley today – full transcript to come, but a few highlights…
JoeRitzo Joe Ritzo
Gary Brown will “probably” start in Double-A, but it could depend on injuries and who comes down from the big leagues during ST
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Stanley said “we’re very lucky” when it comes to all of their catching prospects…expects Hector in AAA, Tommy in AA and Susac in San Jose.
JoeRitzo Joe Ritzo
To take next steps, Brown has to “recognize how pitchers will pitch to him, work on his on-base percentage and how to steal bases”
Huh. Someone in the organization knows what OBP is?
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Stanley expects Panik to begin the year in San Jose where he’ll play SS and bat 2nd or 3rd
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They probably going to have him work on lowering it.
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by Ceora on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Giants have a wealth of talent at C
Which one do people expect the club to keep and which one do you expect for them to trade away?
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It's hard to say
A year ago I’d have said Joseph would be traded for sure because the club seems to place such a (largely unjustified) premium on catcher defense. But the reports about Joseph’s defense this year were pretty overwhelmingly positive, so I’m not sure what to think now.
Eli has looked fucking awesome for the last 3 years.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Jan 9, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Keep Susac and Hector, trade Joseph. Joseph has the youth and powr bat to bring back a major league caliber hitter or some pitching prospects. Sabes has to keep close attentioin, though, as Joseph might be at the peak of his value right about now (he has the distinct possibility of laying an egg on offense in Richmond this year).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The FO has no concept of selling high and buying low.
They are great at selling low and buying high. (LOL 420!)
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Dammit Fla
This was my hunch, but again you state the argument quite well.
I’d move Joseph, and I think the Giants want to hang on to Sanchez for now because he is closest to ML ready.
Plus, weren’t Susac and Osich battery-mates in Oregon? I am going to assume that means something in a warm-fuzzy intangible way to the FO, particularly since Osich is a wee bit of a reclamation project due to the injury.
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Why do you hate LTP, Fla?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
YOU DOWN WITH LTP?!
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lol!
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Down the road, Panik could shift to 2B if Crawford establishes himself at SS. “Would give us two shortstops at the big league level”
lol.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Is this some sick joke? Of course you make Crawford a backup and find a real starter.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
314 dollars including traffic school surcharge
Bleh.
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What's the ticket for?
you should do online traffic school.
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80 in a 65 zone.
I consider this the California transportation tax.
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That's pretty lame.
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That is not too bad
It was cheaper than I thought it would be.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
yeah it's not worth trying to fight for. I sure as hell ain't driving down to Santa Maria to fight a 243 dollars ticket.
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Driving in the yuppie lane cost minimum 380 bucks in Bay Area
I actually had a cop-on-foot stick his head in my car at a stop sign after he popped out of a doorway, for a seatbelt check. I laughed my ass off, told him with shorts like that he should be modeling clothes with barry zito. He was not amused. A’s fan I guess
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Jan 9, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I got a parking ticket in a residential area yesterday. At 8:00 in the evening. What the hell.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
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I was driving faster than 75 for the first time in months today, and a motorcycle cop slipped in right behind me. I cooled it to around 73/74, and he switched lanes and went right on by. That was pretty nice.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
If AA is good
Oliver is guaranteed a total of $4.5MM, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes has learned. He’ll earn a $4MM salary in 2012 and the 2013 option has a $500K buyout.
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In my international management class...
we did a bunch of case studies. And we were consistently reminded by the professor that “Do nothing” is and most likely always will be an option.
It is pretty clear the Giants FO chose the “do almost nothing” route this offseason.
Now I always chose the “do nothing” route for the case studies and tried to convince the professor I was confident that my managers in China were competent enough to fix the intellectual property protection problem or it would cost more for security in South America than the cost to keep our offices in North America.
But those were excuses. I chose “do nothing” because it was the easy way out and I was lazy in college.
What the hell is the Giants’ FO’s excuse?
Giants did do something
it’s just not what some people believed to be the right moves.
If you want do-nothing, please see the Braves FO.
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Wish it was that simple
There is 40 mil in dead money (Rowand, Zito, Huff)
There is 30-40 (more maybe) free to try to lock up Tim and Matt long term
They traded 3 guys to fill 2 OF spots
There is only so much wiggle room from those first 2 factors alone. Good news is that money will be free within 2 years.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Messi wins Ballon d'Or for the third time in a row.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Do we consider performance prior to their current position in this?
Because Towers in SD looked brilliant, but I don’t know how much I like the moves of AZ Towers. And Brynes in AZ was awful (or maybe he wasn’t – who was it that shipped Haren out? Was it Brynes or his interim replacement?), and I kind of like the things SD Brynes is doing.
I’m almost tempted to say Rockies, because in that scenario Cain, Lincecum, and Bumgarner would all be signed to massive 10 year extensions, and I like Giants teams with those guys on them.
No, wait, I know. Tim Tebow for GM!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Larkin elected
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Mayor of Smug.
Well now
Nine blank ballots? Those jerks. I bet they all vote for Morris next year just to show those steroid users what fer.
Bernie Williams gets to stick around! Interesting.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Tim Salmon: More HOF votes than All-Star appearances!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Bill Mueller gets HoF votes
heh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
So 4 guys looked at Mueller's time at 2B and 3B and said
“Dude ran dingerz.exe 85 times over an 11 year career! HOF!!”
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
You forgot
Red Sox-ness
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Bernie Williams is totally going to make the climb to 75%
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Good Lord, Morris gained 71 votes (13%). One more gain like that and he’s in…
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think it’s a backlash to the SABR movement.
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JoPo sez:
Joe Posnanski @JPosnanski
Big winner on HOF ballot – Larkin aside, obviously – is Jack Morris. Getting Blyleven off ballot was huge. Jack’s in next year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think he’s right, even with two stacked ballots coming up.
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So that's where all this "Matt Cain to the Yankees" noise is coming from
The New York Times, of all places, thinks he’ll be in pinstripes after this year
Pull the trigger Sabes!
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Well...
The thrust of the article is that the Yanks are holding out on big moves this year so re-up in 2013 with a $186mm budget. In that scenario, they go for Cain or Hammels and we know the Yankees talking heads have been coveting a Matt Cain trade for the last year.
It’s more or less the opening moves of Rostarbation 2013
lol you
Cain AND Hamels.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Must be pretty fun that has the money to look at all the players who are free agents and be able to say “I want him! Oh, and I like that guy too! Go sign him.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
It's not that unlikely
If he’s not extended before the season, I see him being gone. It’s not like the Giants are going to match an offer of 8/$160M. I don’t even see the Giants offering Barry Zito money.
I've pretty much accepted reality
In spite of Sabean’s best rhetoric, the Giants will loose Lincecum or Cain. The question, then, becomes how the team will deal with it.
Pockets turned inside out and smirks on their face.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Like this?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd
This is the new marketing banners for 2012
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The monopoly guy even kinda looks like Charles Johnson.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
It's Uncanny..
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by nvsfg on Jan 9, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
HAHAHA!
rec’d!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Well done.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
They’re going to put the banner right above a donation jar at each entrance.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Giants really are screwed either way. If they sign Cain, they can’t sign Lincecum, unless they extend Lincecum this off-season. If they still re-sign Cain, then they can’t afford anybody else, as per club policy. So, the Giants will have another year of the same players or more expensive, average filler to go with the pitching. I say all this because I still can’t fathom a scenario where the Giants suddenly surrender to starting positions to rookies (brown and panik in ‘13) without $1 million+ backup plans (more like primary plans). They don’t have the flexibility to deal with any of this, financially, and they don’t have the creativity to work within the inflexibility.
Of course, it always comes down to the players on the field, and, so, we just have to hope like hell that Buster is a 4+-win player his entire career and that Pablo Sandoval is not some BABIP Master and that Belt gets playing time.
This logic doesn’t really follow at all.
If the Giants extend Cain, it will add probably $5-8M to their payroll. Meanwhile, they have close to $30M coming off the books after 2012, another $19M or so after 2013, and another $10M after that, not including Cain and Lincecum. Meanwhile, payroll is projected to continue expansion.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Payroll might increase by $5M, as it did this year. And the logic follows because of pay raises to their arb players, as was the case this year.
It increased by $12M this year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Sabean will try to make up for it with some ‘big’ signing. It will work out as good as Zito and Rowand did.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Kerry Wood is in the news again
So here’s him striking out 20 dudes: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16234033&c_id=mlb
(Note: 2:55 is just amazing)
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I watched this game at the time
It was easily the best pitching performance I’ve ever seen. By the end of the game he was throwing wiffleball pitches. The pitch to Derek Bell to end the game was absolutely ludicrous.
Holy fuck that pitch.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
That pitch at 2:55 looks like the two seamer that Wilson was throwing last year. Let’s hope the long term result for Wilson is not the same as Wood.
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Wilson’s two-seamer is so cool when it works, but it’s just not a good pitch. It’s too bad.
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SInce it seems that it may have jacked up his arm (elbow) last year, it’s probably just as well.
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Too hard to control.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is one of the problems with priapism, yes.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Oh hey, this is a different subthread.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Head for the Hills
Tim Tebow’s 316 Passing Yards Evoke Biblical Number
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Do the people who come up with these things not realize that there are a lot of bible verses?
Tebow throws for 216 yards, Romans 2:16! Tebow throws for 112 yards, Corinthians 1:12! 56, Peter 5:6!
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow goes 1 for 20, Corinthians 1:20!
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LOL
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Grrrrrrrrrr...
will not click
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http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/so-what-happened-lower-down-on-the-hall-of-fame-ballot/
Great rundown on the HOF balloting. Highlights:
Jack Morris’ uptick from 53.5% in 2011 to 66.7% this year is, on the surface, a good thing for his candidacy. Not many guys who get that many votes fail to make it. So on one level you’d think he’d be a shoe-in for next year. The problem, however, is that so many worthy candidates — and candidates who will got lots of support but who maybe not enough for election — will be coming in next two years.
Jeff Bagwell’s elevation from 41.7% to 56% is quite encouraging, both for him personally and for the idea that people who are unfairly lumped in with PED users may actually get a fair shake eventually.
Speaking of forward, Tim Raines took a nice leap forward as well, going from 37.5% in 2011 to 48.7% this year. Still no lock — you really need to bust 50% before you get real momentum — but encouraging all the same.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I'll be pretty irritated
if Jack Morris gets into the Hall but Tim Raines doesn’t.
or
Bagwell
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Bagwell seems like he has enough momentum, though it might slide with how loaded next year’s ballot is.
Actually, given how many people there are, I wouldn’t be surprised if nobody gets inducted at all due to the voting limits.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
What is your meaning here?
Are you saying you’d be irritated if Bagwell gets in but Tim Raines doesn’t?
Or are you saying you’d be irritated if Jack Morris gets in but Bagwell doesn’t?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Morris in the hall would be a fucking embarrassment
Not that the hall isn’t already littered with them, but still.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Can we talk about next year's HOF ballot now?
Holdovers:
Barry Larkin
Jack Morris
Jeff Bagwell
Lee Smith
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Larry Walker
Mark McGwire
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Rafael Palmeiro
Bernie Williams
(Possible) First years:
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mike Piazza
Sammy Sosa
Curt Schilling
Craig Biggio
Jose Mesa
Roberto Hernandez
Kenny Lofton
David Wells
Steve Finley
Mike Stanton
Shawn Green
Bob Wickman
Julio Franco
Sandy Alomar
Jeff Cirillo
Mike Myers
Tony Batista
Royce Clayton
Jeff Conine
Steve Kline
Ryan Klesko
Aaron Sele
Preston Wilson
Woody Williams
Reggie Sanders
Mike Lieberthal
Damian Miller
Antonio Alfonseca
Jaret Wright
Todd Walker
So who do you vote for? Do you employ stratagem to make sure a marginal candidate you like stays on the ballot? Do you vote for Morris just to get him the hell off the ballot? Do you give a special nod to Dale Murphy in his last year of eligibility?
My ballot:
Bonds
Clemens
Piazza
Biggio
Lofton
Trammel
Bagwell
Raines
McGriff
Martinez
For the new ones, there are some I think should go in right away (Bonds, Clemens, Piazza), and some I like enough I want to be sure they stick around a little (Lofton and Biggio). I feel like I could support Sosa and Schilling, but would want to give it more thought, and I figure they would probably stick on the ballot without my help. For the holdovers, I’m split between throwing support behind guys that are close (Bagwell, Raines) and trying to help down ballot guys I like to stick around (Trammel, Martinez, and McGriff).
It feels like the most stacked ballot to come along in a long time, and the one with the biggest baggage. And it’s only going to get bigger. Oof.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Look forward to a lot of steroids discussion.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 9, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'd use all 10 slots for mine
Bonds, Clemens, Bagwell, Schilling, Walker, Trammel, Biggio, Palmeiro, Raines, McGwire
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Nein.
In terms of fWAR, he would be near the bottom of that group of players (right near Trammal, actually), so I give the tie breaker to the guy who played the field.
If the ballot was 15 long, maybe I’d include Edgar. I don’t think Edgar was better than any of those guys.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
In terms of fWAR, he would be near the bottom of that group of players (right near Trammal, actually), so I give the tie breaker to the guy who played the field.
Isn’t that penalizing him twice?
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Yes, in the abstract.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He’s a DH, so he deserves it. Fuck that.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I don't know how people can defend the AL as a viable structure
but condemn DHs for not playing the field. It makes no fucking sense to me.
Adam Dunn would have been on a HOF trajectory if he didn’t flop around like a dead fish on NL teams.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It’s the Baseball Hall of Fame, not the Clown-ball Hall of Fame.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Agrees....
It’s the Baseball Hall of Fame, not the Clown-ball Hall of Fame.
You sound much older than you are.
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I liked Jon Bois’s pseudo-defense of opposing the DH.
I’m a firm opponent of the designated hitter rule, because just as I love to watch a punter try to scoop up a bad snap and try to throw it, or see a 7’1" center with no range try to chuck up a last-second three, I love watching pitchers hit.
Never will I come closer to seeing what it would be like if someone with my skill set tried to perform on a professional level. I mean, how nuts is this: in the National League, five to 10 percent of all at-bats are taken by men who, by everyone’s admission, are profoundly bad at it! It’s Dada performance art, and the ubiquity of such comical nonsense — over the course of a game, a season, and the history of baseball — is unrivaled by anything in any other sport.
There is a way that letting pitchers hit is profoundly silly.
Anyway, I try to stay out of the DH conversation. Partly because, well, I’m okay with the DH. There’s something about having two leagues that are functionally different makes the whole idea of leagues… make sense to me. The AFC and the NFL are essentially interchangeable, for instance. The only functional reason for their alignment is to complicate tournament seeding. But the AL and NL are different fucking things! If you put an AL team in the NL, they have to change their shit! I love that.
The other reason I stay out, though, is that there’s no real argument against “Baseball is fielding and hitting, and players should do both.” Yeah. They probably should. I guess.
But just think if baseball had a third league, and in the third league you had unlimited designated hitters and expanded rosters, so that you could theoretically field a team with 9 defensive players and 9 entirely different offensive players, like football! Man, interleague would be so nuts! So many teams would have to change so much of their shit. Man.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
That sort of went off the rails at the end there. I’m serious about liking that the leagues are different, and I’m serious about having no argument against baseball players playing both sides of the ball. I am not serious about the third league, though I am serious about it being awesome.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I’m serious about liking that the leagues are different,
This is the in which I stand. I would sure hate to see Selig try to eff this up. It’s good for baseball. It encourages debate.
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the BCS defense
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The difference was even more pronounced
When the leagues used different umpires.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
And when those umpires used different chest protectors.
For years AL umps called a higher strikezone than their NL counterparts because the balloon wall wouldn’t let them crouch as deeply as the pad worn under clothing.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 10, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
There are better ways of doing this, though
Different league presidents, different umpires, no interleague, etc. This isn’t a big deal for me, tough, provided the NL remains safe.
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Get the money
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The DH protects jobs for creaky vets, who are the main power in the MLBPA. Odds are that sooner or later, the DH creeps its way into the NL, since the player’s association doesn’t give a fuck about the Emmanuel Burrises of the world.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Of course, it does that much less than it used to
The full-time DH is falling out of favor nowadays.
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Dollar dollar bill y'all
OTOH
You’re seeing a lot more NL teams picking up Giambis, Andersons, Gloads, Stairses, and so on to function in a pure PH/pseudo-DH role.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
True
but they still have to abide the rules of baseball, unlike the DH. The player has a smaller impact on the game than someone that functions as a replacement hitter only.
to function in a pure PH/pseudo-DH role.
If it makes sense and you can carry a late inning bat on your roster, it is not a bad strategy.
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Yeah, I don’t mean to suggest that there is equivalency in value at all. Just that the idea of the 25th man being a guy who only hits is not necessarily dying.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I agree, we just don’t see much of it the Giants rosters, Pat Burrell excepted.
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Yeah. That guy for the Giants is Pill this year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
/crosses fingers and hopes.
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El Person has it right..
This isn’t a big deal for me, tough, provided the NL remains safe.
This is the correct answer.
What benefit does having the DH across baseball provide other than job security for players that can hit, but no longer field.
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Sure
and the Targaryens would never cross the sea.
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Reference fail
The Dothraki would never cross the sea.
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They would if their Khaleesi commanded it.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
*waits* for jponry
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by calgiants86 on Jan 9, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So you believe that the NL is an old, a noble family of ancient baseball that is destined for collapse ?
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It's cool that the leagues are two different things
But at this point, they’re really not, because Bud Selig hates baseball and loves MLB.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I caught a bit of the 10th inning last night
and rolled my eyes with a clip of Selig talking about how healthy the game is.
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The game is healthy. The game is profitable.
These things are probably despite Selig rather than because of him.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
by Solidarity on Jan 9, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He brought labor peace, increased international marketing, saw the promise of the internet and brought in lots of revenue from it that’s shared equally, got a luxury tax to keep MLB from turning into the EPL and the Wild Card brings in a lot more revenue to teams than it did pre-Wild Card.
That said, I still hate the guy
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said, I don’t know how much of that was Selig, and how much of it was stuff that most any commissioner would have gotten done.
Selig seems to spend more time with his thumb up his ass than he does fighting for the sport.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think Selig might get more credit if he didn’t look so schlubby. The guy just looks like the guy who in High School people would pull pranks on because they’re such a loser. David Stern’s an arrogant schmuck but at least he knows how to present himself and his sport.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
lol AFC/NFL. Might as well be.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
When you GIS "NFC4Life", this is on the first page
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I'd use all 10 slots for mine
Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, Bonds, and Bonds.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
No McGwire and maybe no Palmeiro. Definitely not Walker.
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Both
Walker had a 57.7 oWAR over 17 seasons…that’s an average of 3.34 (dWAR is a non-factor). He had one great year (oWAR of 8), 4 excellent years (oWAR 4-6), and a couple of good years (oWARs of 3).
He was injured a lot but he also played in Colorado.
Very good player but not HOF.
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I feel bad for teams that don’t have a guy in the hall. One of the reasons I am a Helton and Ichiro booster.
I know people have made an argument that Walker was better than Helton, but I think he might have the counting stats and reputation to get it done.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No McGwire?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Bonds, Clemens, PIazza, Biggio, Raines, Bagwell, Palmeiro, McGwire, Martinez, Will Clark (I know he’s not on the ballot, but should be.)
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 9, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Bagwell, Biggio, McGwire are definitely yes’s for me.
and 4 of Schilling, Sosa, Martinez, Trammel, Walker, Raines would be the rest of it.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
The really important thing to remember about voting from 2013 until the end of time
Is from that point on, baseball players less deserving than Barry Bonds will get elected to the Hall of Fame.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Holy hell
Ryan Klesko is finally eligible?!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The best thing about this picture is still Ryan Klesko
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Just because.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
I do think the Tidrow, Barr, and maybe Evans group makes up for significant issues at the top
… on another note, anyone see this?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/09/penis-tattoo-leads-to-permanent-erection/
That seems like something you would tatoo on your penis if you were single.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I just have a hard time wrapping my mind around the stiff concept that this young man will spend the rest of his days with a perma-boner.
Not a perma-boner.
Just a half-chub.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
If it's been over four hours he should contact his doctor.
/ what I’ve heard
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
There are a lot of things I enjoyed reading in this excerpt.
The Iranian man chose to have a shunt implanted to drain the excess blood, according to the report.
"Predictably, the procedure was unsuccessful," the authors wrote. "Because of the painless nature of erections, moderately good preservation of erectile function during intercourses, and disappointment with former surgery, the patient has declined to undergo further therapies, and lives with his condition."
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Despite his permanent erection, the man has no regrets over his penis tattoo, according to the report.
This is not a news quote I expected to see today.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
If the Padres still had Hoyer I would've voted for the Padres
Dude stocked that farm system
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I went with Sabes & Co over the Snakes BT, but just barely. It’s not as difficult to look good when you start with a stacked farm system and then you get the #3 and #6 picks in one of the best years of the history of the draft. In general, at the major league level the Giants have outperfromed their farm system and draft positions during the last 5 years, while the Snakes have underperformed in both areas over the last 5 years. Not to mention that the Snakes got incredibly lucky when they were able to find a problem with Barret Loux’s elbow back in the summer of 2010. Without that bit of luck they would have only had Bauer and Loux instead of Bauer and Bradley.
I will add that if Sabes blows the Matt Cain situation in the next 10 weeks then the nod clearly goes to the Snakes BT.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Fla said it much better than I ever could.
Plus, I’ll just throw in the fact that the Giants have a big resource advantage. Diamondbacks won 95 games last year and were still 12th in attendance while their payroll shrunk by $20M, or 22%.
The Giants do not have the depth that the Diamondbacks do, but project better for the long run in terms of resource and general organizational health.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Ok, give you that
But I always think of execuative team too. I don’t know the history of the Dbacks, but I love the baseball mindedness of that franchise, rebuilding itself a couple times. It may not have been Sabean, but the Zito and Rowand deals were made, yet the Dbacks seem to avoid those pitfalls.
I would like to see what Towers does a little more long term. I like what the Giants have drafted last 5 years, it was only after Tim and Posey emerged as superstars has the stench coming from the farm the first 10 years of Sabean really gone away.
Blerg
DodgerFanInPackerLand described the Diamondbacks pretty well
WE’RE GOING TO BE GOOD FOREVER WAIT WE’RE SHITTY AGAIN
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
But the question, as always when discussing teams like the DBacks, is if you’d put up with several seasons worth of sucking to put together a team that will have a 2-3 year “window of opportunity” before the front office blows it all up again
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I put that as a product of payroll
More than anything else. DBacks were not going to give Haren 80 mil, so they recycled him for prospects in a down year. The Giants held Cain until they had something going.
Blerg
The Diamondbacks don’t have the necessary payroll to sign Zito and Rowand deals. Or keep their good players.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
He has a Cain-like contract. Great for the team this year and next, but it jumps to nearly $15M in the last two years, and that is when they will probably move him to make payroll room to keep Kennedy and Hudson (or whoever) while they groom Bauer and co.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
They also need to try and keep Montero. Which makes this offense even more confusing.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The Rowand deal was Sabean
Zito was not
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
A thought exercise
just for shits and giggles.
What do we make of the albatross contracts on the Red Sox during Theo’s tenure. Crawford, Lackey, Drew, Matsuzaka… Do we see “ownership” moves on other teams in the same way we see them with Sabean vs. the Legion of Doom?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think it is too early to include the Crawford deal with this group.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 9, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I am as ready as anybody to say that it is too early to pass judgment on the Crawford deal, so perhaps it is unfair in that respect to include him with the other perceived busts, but it is certainly a “zomg big money franchise player” contract that is perceived as being made to mollify fans.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well I don't know as much about those situations
With Zito we’ve all read the stories and I have a bit of inside knowledge from a source I’m confident in that I can firmly place the Zito blame on Magowan.
Lets take each of your examples.
Crawford: I think that was all Theo and Crawford was his target along with Gonzalez. Didn’t work out year one. Not ready to call it a bust.
Lackey: Reeks of ownership freaking out because they weren’t signing anyone in that particular offseason
Drew: Not as bad as you think when you break it down by Drew’s WAR with the Sox.
Dice-K: Atrocious. Blame Theo, but lots of reports that Dice-K was stubborn in his workout routines and had poor work ethic. And he had one year that is better than anything Zito has or will ever give us.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Why does it matter whether it was Magowan or Sabean? Why should anyone care?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
When you're evaluating Sabean as a GM
It matters
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
No, it doesn't
That move still happened, and it was done by the front office that Sabean is in charge of.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
You know owners overrule GMs quite often right?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Again, what difference does it make?
It still happened.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Again
When you’re evaluating Sabean as a GM
It matters
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
No, it doesn't
If all owners do the same sort of stupid things, then it’s even. You can’t selectively pick out stuff from the Sabean record.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
That's sort of the point of the Theo exercise
If ownership overrules a GM what can he do?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I do believe Sabean would have gone and gotten Beltran if ownership had let him. They could have signed him and still turned out a profit, if a more modest one in the short term, unless there are financial problems we are not aware of.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well where I blame Sabean in this situation
Is that he knew the budget and went the Cabrera, Affeldt, Lopez, Whiteside route
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I don’t think he makes the Beltran move if pulling the trigger means letting 6 players walk. It’s not Sabean’s style.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Not to say that that’s right or wrong. Just that I think it was a deciding factor.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well you should say its wrong because that is common sense.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
Well
since the owner is no longer there. It matters.
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I don't know who this is
or if Baggs is right but
Andy Baggerly in his article today clarified a question that has bothered me and many others for a while now: how could Sabean sign Zito and Rowand? It turns out that he didn’t. Andy wrote:
Club and league sources have confirmed that Sabean did not take the lead role when the club signed Rowand (2007) and Zito (2006); both contracts were panned at the time and have turned out perhaps even worse than critics predicted.
http://obsessivegiantscompulsive.blogspot.com/2011/09/sabean-cleared-by-baggerly-he-was-not.html
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Quote fail
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Again, not taking the lead doesn't mean no interest.
From what I know I’m willing to absolve Sabean of Zito. Not so with Rowand.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The quote appears to show that it is different than what is the norm.
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It's so tough for you to criticize Sabean
I think Sabean sucks but I’m willing to absolve him of Zito. You can’t criticize him at all.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I already said
if the moves are by Sabean then he deserves the blame.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Sabean is okay
He makes decent moves, sometimes.
I find myself defending him here because it is always raining frogs.
Blerg
I have always said that
he is probably top 1/3 as a GM. Although, the bottom 1/3 is pretty horrible.
Above average GM with good people under him.
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I put him in the “not awful, not great” category. Does some things well, doesn’t do other things well, slightly hampered by budgetary issues and meddling ownership
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
The Alex Smith of GM's?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
This offseason is a lot like Magnolia.
Long, slow, and aggravating.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
when does the rain of frogs start?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Ned Colletti
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Where does one get a
suck puppet?
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I actually want to know
who are the 6 people who voted for the Bums.
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People who are dedicated to keeping Agent Ned in office.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
JohnSheaHey John Shea
MLB suspends #SFGiants minor-league catcher Drew Stiner for 50 games for testing positive to an amphetamine, which MLB called a PED.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
NOOO DATA!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I guess that was Spiner.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Brent
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Steve McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines
/someone had to do it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I voted for Arizona even though they signed Bloomquist.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
What about
MacDonald? Kubel?
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Everybody loses in this poll.
But if you picked the Dodgers then you REALLY lose
I know that his time in San Francisco was fraught with tension
It’s nice to know that that seems to have passed.
Still, Bill Rigney never should have been fired.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
What is this world coming too?
Drinkers should have at least two alcohol-free days each week, a committee of British MPs has recommended.
“While we urge the UK health departments to re-evaluate the guidelines more thoroughly, the evidence we received suggests that the guidelines should not be increased and that people should be advised to take at least two drink-free days a week,” he said.
In 1987, the “sensible limits” for drinking were defined as 21 units of alcohol a week for men and 14 for women. By the early 1990s, scientific evidence had emerged suggesting that alcohol consumption might reduce the risk of coronary heart disease, prompting a review of the guidelines.
The government then recommended that drinking guidelines should be couched in daily terms: men should not regularly drink more than three to four units a day and women no more than two to three units a day.
http://news.yahoo.com/drinkers-two-booze-free-days-week-mps-103250583.html
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Is a “unit” one drink? Because this sounds like, “Don’t be an alcoholic.”
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
But
only 5 days a week.
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Octoberfest! Where you drink 8-9 per day. Of course, that’s liters, not 12 oz beers.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
In all seriousness 1 unit of alcohol in the UK is 10ml.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I assume you mean of 80 proof hard liquor.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
So, 1-2 beers a day (or a glass of wine).
Or 5 beers each on Friday and Saturday.
Doesn’t seem exactly revelatory.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This should read
Drinkers should binge drink 5 days a week, a committee of British MPs has recommended.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Finished watching moneyball during lunch
I miss baseball.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
How did you like it?
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Art Howe has a right to be upset.
and Paul Depodesta is fat.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
My favorite part of the movie was when Beane traded Pena so Howe is forced to play Hatteberg
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Reminded me of Molina
I liked Moneyball. I went in knowing that facts would be skewed to make a movie out of the story. The movie delivered.
Blerg
The movie gets better
with the fewer facts you know about the A’s in the early 2000s.
Still annoyed at the characterization of Johnny Damon.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I want a new poll
Number 1 MCC freakout of 2011
Beltran trade
Cabrera trade
DFA Rowand and Tejada
Posey injury
Belt in general
Missing anything here?
Blerg
Posey injury
no contest
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Poll Over
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Probably a tie between the Voltron trade and Belt’s lack of playing time ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yea I am surprised my neighbors didn't call the cops on me one night
I was up to 3 am in a loud bar room level rant, on my balcony, with my friend on protecting catchers.
Blerg
DFA Rowand and Tejada
Does “freakout” in this case mean great mirth?
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
OT Girl with Dragon Tatoo
Really good. Two different times people in my row walked out, the movie is really graphic at times (fair warning).
As a 2.5 hour thriller, it moved the story along at a good pace. Interesting having the story in Germany\Sweeden.
Blerg
The book was pretty disturbing
I can imagine the visuals.
The Swedish film left out a lot of the graphic portions.
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Have you seen the swedish version?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 9, 2012 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah the swedish ones are amazing. I am actually refusing to see the Americanized version b/c the original is so great.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 10, 2012 6:03 AM PST up reply actions
I would agree with most of this. Having read the book, I knew what I was getting myself into in terms of graphic sex and violence, so that didn’t bother me too much.
They did a good job of condensing the book into a palatable story without skipping over too much valuable information, though the Wennerstrom thread as a driving motivation for Blomkvist was a little absent.
The biggest failing was the opening credits, hands down. I know Daniel Craig was in it, but JFC it’s not a Bond Movie. Completely incongruous with the attitude and pacing of the film.
They also telegraphed pretty obviously that it’s going to be a full trilogy of films.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
How/Why would they not telegraph that it’s going to be a trilogy when the entire world knows that it’s a hugely popular 3 book series?
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Because telegraphing is a poor artistic choice for a film that by most other accounts takes itself quite seriously.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I disagree.
And though I generally don’t appeal to authority, I feel pretty good about falling on the same side as Fincher on this one.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 9, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that a movie seems to take pride in the awesomeness of it’s rape scenes does not make me want to go see it. Or even go near a book
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know that it took pride in it. It just didn’t pull punches about it; it is very much in line with the book about tracking Salander’s psychological obsession around violence against women.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It was so horrific
But it defined the character very well.
I am not sure I would want to see the movie had I known what to expect, but I am glad I did see it, as a whole.
Blerg
That sounds like a fun time at the movies?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I had to stop watching the Swedish film because I detested the rape sections so much, and don’t intend to read the books or watch the Finch version for the same general reason.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 9, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
Karate Chop
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/9/2694903/a-giants-centric-view-of-the-hall
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Maybe the Giants if I get to do free agent signings and trades instead of Sabean.
D’Backs are pretty bad, too.
Interesting pole
And there are negatives for each option. The Dodgers are stuck with nowhere to turn right now. The Padres are the Padres. There aren’t really any negatives for the Rockies, it’s just to cold where they are.
Personally, I would consider two options: The Giants or the Diamondbacks. They still both have issues. The Giants have money. The payroll is after all 130 million, but that’s all tied up in three mostly to completely useless players. The Dbacks have a loaded farm system, and would probably be the least work right up front, but have no money (or so it seems) and I would be left without a team once all the contracts are up.
In the end, it comes down to one factor if I had to chose. You guys have this rainy day fund, for a rainy day that I don’t think is ever actually going to come. Sorry. I don’t think I would ever have money to spend even after Zito, Huff, and Rowand? is that right? came off the books. At least with the Dbacks, I go into it knowing that there is no money and never will be or could be.
isitspringtrainingyet.com
The correct answer is none of them
I agree with this…. Maybe Arizona which has had some decent runs, Arizona’s farm system is decent in that they have produced a number of both position players and pitchers. Right now they don’t seem to get stuck with the bad concrats or make a lot of dumb moves.
Sabean has made a number of bad moves in the past few years. I will give him a break for the WS but I think the team got hot at the right moment, he could not even get back to the playoffs the next year. I find most of his moves deplorable, Zito was a much his fault as anyone. Now manybe he was forced into the Zito contract will never know, but so many of his moves have just backfired.
In the past dozen years or so the Giants have had a very respectable payroll, they have just sunk it into players like Zito and Rowland. Traded for Beltran with no attempt to re-sign him, Tried with players like washed up Tejada. IMO the Giants just seem lost, they don’t seem to have a direction at all other then Posey, maybe Belt. I will grant them the starting pitching is generaly tops, but they have no balance, the farm system is not great and we have no stable lineup at all. Well maybe we might have a stable lineup but it sucks….. !!!!!!!!!!
Magic Eye thingies ...
never been able to get one of those thingies to work.
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