San Francisco Giants Top 20 Prospects for 2012 - Minor League Ball
Sickels' list. He doesn't even rank Neal or Wheeler, which seems odd to me and my selective amnesia.
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Sounds pretty good to me
1) Gary Brown, OF, Grade B+: Future center fielder. Outstanding speed, doubles power with occasional home runs, not a big walk guy but makes contact and should continue to hit for a high average. Combined with strong defense, you have an impressive package of tools and skills.
2) Joe Panik, SS-2B, Grade B: I was very impressed with him in the Arizona Fall League. Line drive bat with gap power, good plate discipline, uses speed well on the bases, plays with fire. I think he can be an average defensive shortstop or above-average at second base. Nice tablesetter when combined with Brown at the top of the future Giants order.
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Apparently, Panik is a pyromaniac. That has to count against his overall ranking.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
he’s just a Firebender
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Twisted firebender.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
HE'S HEATING UP!
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I love that game
even with the AI cheating in the two minutes.
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I downloaded the trial for the new one and its awesome.
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
He is a young Drew Berrymore.
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
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I think Sickles stole these grades from my report card
Nothing but B’s and C’s.
What I don’t understand is why Sickles loves Panik so much while Law hates him?
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This is totally unfounded, but it seems to me that Sickles is generally more willing to change his opinion when new information comes to light. Law tends to stick by his initial assessment come hell or high water.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Until Law is obviously proven wrong; he tends to own up to the egg on his face then.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Do you have an example? I really like that Sickels re-evaluates, I even told him that. Not too much of a fan of Law.
He was among the legions who were very “yeah, whatever” to Vogelsong’s early successes. When Vogelsong kept throwing strikes though, he retreated to a platform of “yeah, whatever.”
I can’t think of specific names, but I know he’s also owned up on making the wrong call on certain prospects. “Didn’t think he’d amount to much, but yeah I whiffed on that one,” to very roughly paraphrase.
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ER
Retreated to a platform of “no clue how it happened.” Which would seem to me to be a tacit admission of having been wrong.
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Utility guy doesn’t make much sense to me. What I’ve read doesn’t make him out like a versatile defender. He fits the profile of a contact, doubles power 2B very well.
It pretty much comes down to whether he keeps hitting as he moves up the levels. If he does, then he could be a solid regular for a contending team. If not, he could be a regular for a bad team, or he just flames out.
I think “utility guy” is his infield equivalent for a 4th outfielder. Probably somewhat backhanded in Panik’s case, but in two years we’ll have a much better idea.
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I might be totally off on this, but I’ve gotten the impression that his ceiling is Freddy Sanchez. Obviously he’d be cool to have, but he’s not going to be some sort of savior.
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As I say below, I have to imagine his walk rates will shrink as he goes up the levels, but 2010 and 2011, from whence we know him, has Freddy’s walk rate as around 6%, which is about 50 points worth of OBP.
Could be better than that, maybe more in the ballpark of what we’ve seen out of Jamey Carroll, but I won’t get my hopes up until he’s seen something better than the Cape Cod league and Salem-Kaizer.
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Walk rates normalize pretty quickly above the rookie levels, and many successful major leaguers actually improve their walk rate at the major league level.
As far as comparing with Franchez goes, a few things to consider: Sanchez began pro ball two years older. His walk rates in his minor league career were 7%, 6%, 8%, 12%, 8% (Panik was at 9% in his first year). He never in any minor league season had more walks than Ks (as Panik did last year).
Question
do player walk more in the first years? I can see a player being more tentative the first years and taking walks rather than making contact.
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Remember, pitching is worse at lower levels.
It’s easier to walk because they’re not seeing as many strikes.
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Sounds unintuitive to me, but I have no idea. My guess would be more close to something like “distribution of talent normalizes pretty quickly above the rookie levels”.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like to see him for another season before I project anything
IMO, it is just too early to say either way.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
My hopes for Panik would basically be a younger Freddy Sanchez not made of legos.
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by Solidarity on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST
I’ll take the on base and above average defense at 2B any time, especially when it comes at a low, low price.
by Every6thDay on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM PST
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
He can play a serviceable SS or 2B. That’s pretty much the definition of a utility IF because if he can play those two slots he can play the other two as well.
There’s some question as to whether he can handle SS, which I suspect might push him to 2B in the long run. But without having seen him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he could play it at least as well as Fontenot.
I think I get the same vibe from shankbone that “utility guy” does have a certain pejorative feel to it, though that might be a misinterpretation on our part.
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Sickels and BA have both said they think he can stick at SS. They both talk to alot of scouts. The questions seem to be coming from the internet community more than the scouting community.
From my observations I see no reason he can’t stick as SS. Not amazing range but defintely has enough arm.
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I don’t have the sources but it seems like the most common description of Panik’s defensive future is either a slightly below average but passable SS or an above average 2B. I suppose that could make him useful as a utility IF.
Though personally I think he’ll be better than that. Freddy Sanchez + OBP sounds like a perennial borderline All-star to me.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 3, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Boras
"As I’ve told many, there’s a lot of passengers on the PF Flyer," Boras said. "I keep having discussions with teams, and they keep coming back after those discussions. We are having a very robust and constant communication with many teams.
"Probably the best I can say, he’s a combination of Henry Kissinger and Frank Howard," Boras said. "He’s got brute strength power. He’s a diplomat in the locker room."
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Haha yeah that’s not sweetening the deal.
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What was Kissinger’s WAR other than that he was a big fan of it?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe this is in response to the rumors that he is a bit of a hot head
Didn’t he try to go into the opposing teams locker room a couple of times to get at pitchers who have hit him?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
He went after Mota IIRC.
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Yup, I think he did it in LA at least once.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the video from 8/4/09:
Mota’s ejection:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=5927105&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_5927105&v=3
Furious Fielder Tries to Enter Dodgers’ Clubhouse:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhojyw_furious-fielder-tries-to-enter-dodgers-clubhouse_news
Ratto: After Mota’s pinpoint plunking, Fielder’s ire worth debunking
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12026539
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Boy, Boras really knows how to spin things for a particular market, eh?
“Hey, Washington, you should hire Prince Fielder. Probably the best I can say, he’s a combination of Henry Kissinger and Frank Howard,” Boras said. “He will publicly bomb pitchers and secretly also bomb Cambodia!”
“Hey, Texas, you should hire Prince Fielder. Probably the best I can say, he’s a combination of Pecos Bill and Juan Gonzalez,” Boras said. “He will hit frozen ropes and also make lassos out of rattlesnakes!”
“Hey, Chicago, you should hire Prince Fielder. Probably the best I can say, he’s a combination of Richard J. Daley and Hack Wilson,” Boras said. “He will resurrect your moribund offense and also increase your turnout with dead people!”
“Hey, San Francisco, you should hire Prince Fielder. Your offense sucks!”
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Boras
already made the Bonds/Fielder analogy.
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"Hey, San Francisco, you should hire Prince Fielder. Probably the best I can say, he’s a combination of Joshua Norton and Barry Bonds," Boras said. "He will be the greatest hitter of all time and also declare himself Emperor of these United States and Protector of Mexico."
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
Fielder, age 21-27 seasons: .282/.390/.540
Bonds, age 21-27 seasons: .275/.380/.503
To be fair, Bonds has the higher OPS+ due to park and league adjustments. But it’s not by a lot. Fielder is very good.
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Also
Barry was an extremely good fielder and stole bases as well.
Fielder is very good but obviously fitness concerns.
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There are many MANY reasons to think that Fielder will not age anywhere near as well as Bonds did.
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Well there were many reasons to think Bonds would not age as well as Bonds did
Basically because no one has ever aged like Bonds.
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His 2004 line is so fun to look at.
.361/.609/.812
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2011 Giants with OBP over .361 (minimum 100 plate appearances): Carlos Beltran, Buster Posey
2011 Giants with slugging over .609: None
2011 Giants with OPS over .812 (minimum 100 plate appearances): Carlos Beltran, Pablo Sandoval
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Didn’t sell enough jerseys in the dugout stores.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
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Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’d like it better if Fielder was a combination of Bonds and Emperor Gene Nelson.
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by tobias on Jan 3, 2012 11:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder why everyone has Adrianza lower this year even though he finally had a good year with the bat. More depth among our b-level prospects?
I want to say he had some BABIP luck, but I’m not sure.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
What’s interesting is Sickels comments has him as a “utility guy at worst” which I wouldn’t say about some of the people in front on him on the list.
He tends to ramp up the grades as players approach the majors.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yes. Its quote weird after having 11 days off.
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll be honest – I was pretty damned excited to get the kids and the man out of the house today.
Especially since the man has been laid up by a bum ankle since last Wednesday.
Now I can get shit done.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I hope I have time to!
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ZELDA!
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I read that as “now I can get a shit done”
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
I was going to take down my tree yesterday, but instead fell asleep on the couch at 8 p.m. So lame.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I wanted to, but just as I was about to, the little one and the man put The Empire Strikes Back on, and I didn’t want to disturb the show (the tree is in the family room). So here it goes. . .
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I will probably do it tonight. Last year, I was so lazy that I took the tree down in the middle of January or something (it’s fake so it doesn’t dry out).
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Put away?
Does anyone buy a real tree anymore besides me?
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I did until about 6 or 7 years ago. I used to cut my own, even.
But at some point it became more expedient to use a fake one. I got a superly good one; it looks pretty good when properly formed.
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by can of corn on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If you squint a little, this entire post is a really hilarious TWSS
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by rotorueter on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
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LOL
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
holy shit
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well played! ha
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My parents do
I don’t like the bringing in or taking out process at all.
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I’m pretty sure I’m allergic to pine. :(
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Yes to both of these! What is it with cats and the piney tang of tree water?
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Does the chlorine act as a kitty breath freshener?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
And teeth whitener!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Also, recycling pro tip: Christmas tree branches make outstanding insulation for the garden during the cold winter season!
LOLHAVEAYARD
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I put a pine air freshener on the tree as an ornament. Does that count?
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Looks like Oklahoma State did it for you after you fell asleep.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
LOL
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Eff that;
I was at work yesterday and missed a bunch of awesome football.
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The Oregon/Wisc and Stanford/OkSt games were wildly entertaining for this very casual college football fan.
I’ll likely look in on the LSA/Bama game, but nothing else.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I got to watch the Fiesta Bowl;
it’s the Rose Bowl (crappy ending excepted) and Michigan State/Georgia games that I wanted to watch.
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Everybody keeps telling us not to forget about Connor Gillaspie, and I keep thinking it's a joke,
but there he is at #20.
There’s a lot of interesting debate about him around these parts. I’m not sure what to think. I gave up on him awhile ago, but a lot of people didn’t.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
101 career ML OPS+!
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
I stand...
well… that’s basically an eyelash above average, right?
A perfectly cromulent bench player.
Matt Downs-type players are useful.
I’d rather have Downs with the big club than Burriss, to be frank.
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by Solidarity on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's a rec
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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I would too
but this:
Downs was designated for assignment by the San Francisco Giants on August 23, 2010 to make room for Cody Ross.
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Was that when we still had Hinshaw?
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I think so, and it was definitely when we still had Burriss.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Burris was on the DL
so he didn’t count against the 25 man right?
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Burriss missed most of 2010
with that broken foot.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
But
Downs was DFA’d because they needed a spot on the 25 man roster no?
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You mean 40 man? If it were 25 man, wouldn’t they just option him back to Fresno?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
Out of options I believe
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His first time playing in the majors was 2009, there’s no way he could have been out of options. Right?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
No
you’re right, it was for a a 40 man roster spot.
http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2010/08/23/giants-designate-downs-25-man-roster-move-to-come/
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Is there a way to see who was on their 40 man roster at that time?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
How dare you besmirch the name of Matt Downs with that comparison. Matt Downs could play defense.
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I think I'm conflating "don't forget about Connor Gillaspie"
with “Connor Gillaspie is going to be something more than a useful bench player.” Myyyy mistake.
Also, I like Matt Downs!
Roger, Roger, Roger...
Facts have nothing to do with this :-)
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Isn’t Conor Gillespie “Damon Minor” spelled backwards?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
He did post a .297/.389/.453 line in Fresno last year. If the rumors of improving defense are true, that’s not bad.
Is it February 19 yet?
Perhaps..
I saw Gillaspie play eight games last year. SSS I know, but he can hit. Sadly, the rumors of his poor defense are true. He played 3B all eight games that I saw. It’s not that he is a "hands of stone clankmitt ", it is more his footwork, lateral movement and read off the bat. He doesn’t seem comfortable on defense. I’d have to go with free fp here and say that maybe he could play 2B, but from what I saw last year, an awful lot of balls would get through up the middle.
by nvsfg on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
If Gillaspie makes it to the 25 man it will because of his bat.
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Wow Cody
The Braves still have at least some interest in free agent outfielder Cody Ross, according to O’Brien. However, they’d want his asking price — currently in the two-year, $10MM range — to drop. The Rockies and Reds have also been linked to Ross this offseason.
Cody is still in the denial stage
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Cheaper than Rowand
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by D4P on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Waving your fucking gun around??!!
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by jhiat00 on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Can't blame the guy for trying.
He finally hit FA, and people want him to take a 50% pay cut despite being more or less the best hitter left on the market not named Fielder.
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Still, a huge come down from NLCS Playoff Hero to walking around MLB offices with a hat in hand begging for a contract
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
It’s dumb, because he’s pretty much asking to be paid like a 1-WAR player for two years. Teams smell blood in the water, so they’re trying to barter him down for better value. If Cody stays firm, I suspect he’ll get a deal he likes sooner or later.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
but
aren’t 1 WAR player pretty easy to find especially for OFs?
He really should go with a one-year deal somewhere
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Don’t forget Carlos Pena. I think he’s waiting for Fielder to sign.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, though Ross is easier to fit on a team than Pena. As you yourself said, most teams can use a 4th/5th outfielder who can play multiple positions and mash righties. Most teams with the money to burn already have a good first baseman.
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More B's and C's than my High School report card
At least the system will be stacked after we trade Cain and Lincecum.
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Are you guys busy today or is all of the work done until NH?
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B's and C's get degrees (and win World Series) after all!
And there’s no chance the Giants trade either of those guys. They are the best sell-low team of all time. Their hubris and ignorance won’t allow them to trade them at peak value. Otherwise, Sanchez would’ve been gone last off-season.
I think Cain is going to reach FA. Lincecum is going to sign a deal that buys out his remaining arb, but nothing long term will get done.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, now you're just trolling.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
The more I think about it, the better I feel about the Giants having a shot at the division. Yeah, it sucks that they didn’t get Beltran or a decent shortstop, but this is what I keep thinking about:
-Huff probably won’t be worse than last year, and if he is, Belt will probably get regular playing time at 1st at least halfway through the year. Yeah, Brett Pill, I know, but I think the team really does know Belt is the better player going forward. They’ve intimated as much that if Huff struggles early, he has a short leash.
-I know the running joke is that Sanchez & Posey back = OFFENSE, but it will be true, even if it’s not to the extent the team might believe. The upgrade from those positions last year should be pretty significant.
-Cabrera and Pagan should be at least a little bit of an upgrade from last year’s outfield spots of Burrell, Torres, Ross & Huff.
-The only really significant areas that could regress from last year seem to be Sandoval, Vogelsong, and the general health of the pitching staff. Not saying they will regress, but as far as what went well for the Giants last year, those seem to be the areas that you’d question whether they could sustain.
Considering all that, and assuming the injury bug probably couldn’t be as prevalent as last year, I really do think this team has a good possibility of winning the division.
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The NL West is going to be pretty bad
Maybe we’ll be not-bad enough. I doubt we’ll be good.
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That's pretty much every team
I mean they all lean heavily on one side of the equation or the other.
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Dbacks have some scary pitching depth.
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True
but it remains to be seen whether their SP and bullpen can repeat what they did last year
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What I am suggesting is that if they’re SPs don’t, they can probably jettison the underachiever and bring up Bauer halfway through the year.
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That same pitching depth was probably playing over its head last year. Kennedy had a BAA of like .154 with RISP or something like that.
And Josh Collmenter? Scouting might well catch up with his funky delivery, though his movement is pretty nasty when he’s on.
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Yes, every team in baseball is either all offense or all pitching. That is exactly right and in no way a dumb deflection.
by Every6thDay on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s exactly what I said.
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It seems to be pretty close to it.
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No
I said lean heavily…
Objectively speaking, the Giants will have a below average to average offense with an excellent pitching staff.
Cardinals will lean heavily on their lineup with Carpenter being 39 and Wainwright coming off injury.
Reds will lean heavily on their lineup with volatile pitching
Phillies will lean on their pitching as their lineup gets older and Howard being out.
D-backs will lean on their lineup but they are probably more balance than most teams.
Tigers leans heavily on their lineup and one stud SP.
Rangers leans heavily on their lineup with uncertainty in their rotation
Yankees leans heavily on their lineup and CC
Red Sox leans heavily on their lineup.
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That is your observation of those teams. We know the Giants well enough to know what they think (for the most part), but you are missing out on what those other teams think. You are, in essence, ignoring their plans and looking at what they have and coming to a separate conclusion as to what they will need to lean on in order to be successful, however…
The Cardinals think they have above average pitching. IF the age of their pitching doesn’t get to him, Carpenter is an excellent pitcher. If they get a decent Wainwright, that will cover a big gap in their rotation. Garcia is good. The bullpen was good enough to win a World Series last year. They may have finally found their closer and such.
The Reds are working on their pitching and think that Latos and another good year from Cueto (improving) as well as Leake and possibly Bailey (and a bounce-back from Arroyo) will help them out. And they picked up Marshall and they might be able to get a solid beginning to end out of Chapman, too. They think they’re on the right track with their pitching.
The Phillies will lean on their pitching, of course they will, but they think Rollins and Utley (if/when healthy) are premiere offensive players. They get a whole year of Pence. They’ve still got Shitfacedieinafiretorino and maybe this is the year Brown does something for them.
D-Backs, yes, pretty well balanced.
The Tigers think Verlander, Scherzer and Fister is pretty damned solid and the bullpen might need a tweek or two, but they probably feel pretty good with Valverde closing.
Rangers, yes… uncertainty there. I don’t think Wilson is that big of a loss, but that’s why they went out to get Darvish.
Yankees and Red Sox both need their lineups to win, but they think their pitching is/could be better than it is with the current arms that they have.
Again, “lean heavily” is your analysis and not a description of what the teams listed have planned to do in the 2012 season or even in the past. The Giants plan is to hope. That’s it.
But
that’s because you are being objective about the other teams while being very critical about the Giants’ weakness. There are a lot of perhaps, ifs, and maybe’s in your analysis.
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Giants are basically
a lean on pitching with adequate offense team.
There is a plan there, just not involving signing of FAs.
Again, 2013…the idea would be
Lincecum, Cain, and Madbum
Brown
Panik
Panda
Buster
Belt
RF
Nate
SS
and a good bullpen.
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Ahh
yeah…he’s playing RF.
LF and SS (maybe Crawford).
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and
Rowand, Huff, Affeldt and Sanchez all coming off the books and no long term commitments.
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I think the Giants look at it as maximizing the home park effects.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Heh, that assumes the park is actually pitcher friendly
And I have my doubts about that as well.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
But that's their plan
you may disagree with it but you can’t say they don’t have a plan. Giants would argue that pitching a premium in the post-steroid era and FA bats are the most volatile commodity.
Giants are a team built for the playoffs. I am still of the belief that they would have done very well in the playoff last year had they made it.
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I disagree with their assessment. Just because they’re bad at signing FA bats and/or long-term deals doesn’t mean those are bad strategies. And it makes it difficult to build any sort of depth (at any position) if you have to keep making trades mid-season to correct your lack of offense which you could’ve fixed with some better strategy.
The midseason trades
were made to try and put the team over the top and get to the playoffs (more of the Beltran than the Cabrera).
I mean the Giants could have said last year, half the team is out with injuries and we’re giving up. Instead, they made a play to try and get in the playoffs.
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"Put the team over the top"
Bochy acknowledged that the San Francisco offense needs a lift. The Giants rank 15th in the National League with 371 runs scored.
I am not following you
Obviously the team offense was struggling and that’s why the FO gave up Wheeler to get Beltran.
This off season, Giants get Sanchez and Buster back. They believe they improved offensively in OF positions by getting Pagan and Melky. Some people here disagree but no one really knows until they play the season.
I mean people were angry (I mean angry) over at NN when the Niners lost out on all the major CBs and lost Franklin.
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"Put the team over the top"
“Simply put, we’re thrilled with bringing Carlos on board. We really felt the organization needed a shot in the arm and more so our lineup.”
"Put the team over the top"
“We’re at an interesting place in time. We’re trying to get back to the playoffs by winning the division, and much like last year taking our chances,” Sabean said. “It’s timely. Our fans deserve this as well as the team.”
San Francisco lost reigning NL Rookie of the Year catcher Buster Posey for the season when he tore three ligaments in his ankle and fractured a bone in his lower left leg in a home-plate collision with Florida’s Scott Cousins on May 25.
It was a devastating blow.
“Once Buster went down, I thought we were dead in the water to have the chance to replace him,” Sabean said. “Carlos has the chance to do that.”
Screw it
I’d rather have Tim, Cain and Madbum from 20-34 locked up than 100 more DeRosas.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 3, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
My major problem with the team is that it requires all starters to be perfectly healthy. Whatever depth there is exists solely at 1B and either LF or RF.
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Are you sure we have enough 1Bs?
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We don't have any legitimate 1Bs
We have lots of dudes who can only play 1B because they aren’t athletic enough to play anywhere else.
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In terms of pure position hitting ability, I think we’re looking at an incremental upgrade which should be enough to compete provided that the pitching remains incredibly good.
So, yeah, I’m concerned.
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Incremental?
Pagan will be a lot better than 2011 Torres
Melky will be better than Huff/Burrell/Ross
Belt/Huff will be better than 2010 Huff
Sanchez will be better than Bill Hall/Stone statue
Posey will be a lot better than Whiteside/Stewart
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Those are all opinions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
as opposed to the
statements made by others here?
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Correct. They are exactly the same and can be discarded as such
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
But he’s a lawyer, so they are now facts.
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Pagan will be a lot better than 2011 Torres
Melky will be better than Huff/Burrell/Ross
Belt/Huff will be better than 2010 Huff
Sanchez will be better than Bill Hall/Stone statue
Posey will be a lot better than Whiteside/Stewart
In order:
Disagree; man, that is a low bar to clear; does Huff really get dinged twice?; yeah, if he’s healthy; and yeah, if he’s healthy.
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So Melky will better than Huff but Huff will be better than Huff?
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
If Melky > Huff and Huff > Huff, where does Belt play?
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It’s Belt’s fault that we’re having this discussion.
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I put in Huff/Belt because it remains to be seen who will play at 1B
but if it makes you feel better:
Belt will be a lot better than 2010 Huff.
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Do you mean 2011 Huff?
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
why do I keep doing that???!!!
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If Belt is a lot better than 2010 Huff and Pablo is close to 2011 Pablo and Posey is, like, 90% of 2010 Posey and Melky and Pagan are within spitting distance of their 2011s then I think the Giants offense will be average. Which will be great if the pitching stays exactly the same.
That is the best case scenario
Maybe it will happen. I have no choice but to hope like hell.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
That's not the best case scenario
Best case scenario would be Melky repeating his 2010 year, Huff finding himself again, Belt becoming the stud that he is, Posey being as good or better than his 2010 self, Sanchez playing 130+ games, Nate becomes the power hitting RF that he has been projected, and Crawford is a competent hitter.
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Haha
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
I said best case scenario, not the most likely or even probable.
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Melky was horrible in 2010
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by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry
I meant 2011…I keep excluding the 2011 season from my mind.
I think the Cardinals winning the WS is what did it and the playoffs were pretty bad.
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I thought the 2011 world series was one of the best I have ever seen.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
The last two games were great but the first 5 games were pretty meh. Texas made a lot of mental and physical errors.
I guess I’m just used to the nicely played nature of the 2010 playoff run.
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Texas made a lot of mental and physical errors.
I guess I’m just used to the nicely played nature of the 2010 playoff run.
Did you block out Texas’ defense and Washington’s decisions in 2010?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Well... after listening to KNBR callers over the last week
lots of people are saying that Huff will be Huff of 2010, it’s just science
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Pagan has had 2.0, 2.9, and 1.9 oWAR in the past 3 years. Torres in 2010 had a 3.1 oWAR.
I could have excluded Huff from the LF.
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You’re really ignoring the fact that Torres is better than Pagan at defense. And yes, that counts too. Probably 5-10 runs better.
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Belt/Huff will be better than 2010 Huff
That would be fucking awesome.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah
mea culpa…I meant 2011 Huff.
Although that would be awesome if Belt was better than 2010 Huff.
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I was just about to call myself out for posting before reading.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Belt/Huff will be better than 2010 Huff
This statement makes even the most insane optimist go “LOL WUT?”
2010 was pretty damn good.
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Pretty much this
The proper way to have protected yourself against a pitching regression was to improve the offense, but that didn’t happen.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
You Clearly Don't Understand Regression
The Easiest Way To Protect Against Regression Is To Have The Exact Same Pitching Staff As The Year Before
(and hope like hell)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
This statement makes it seem like a team would be stupid to have a three-headed rotation a la the ’90s Braves. Having a stable stable of very good starting pitching is not a bad thing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
STABLE STABLE!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Having a stable stable of very good starting pitching is not a bad thing.
No, it’s not, but it completely assumes the fact that those three guys are going to remain healthy, which is a tenuous one at best.
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That can be said about any teams key strength.
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You don’t think that’s even more so true of starting pitching though?
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I know the running joke is that Sanchez & Posey back = OFFENSE, but it will be true, even if it’s not to the extent the team might believe.
The problem with the team’s expectations for both of those players isn’t one of production, but playing time.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I think it’s reasonable to expect that Posey play 161 games.
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Imagine what would happen if both Fontenot and Sanchez both got hurt.
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Maybe that’s when they pull the Lincecum Cain for Reyes lever.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Uhhh...
They’ve got Burris to back them up, so, uh, I think they’re plenty fine. HE WILL BE AS THE GIANTS HAVE PROJECTED HIM TO BE.
They're hoping like hell
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Well what can we do? We can’t afford a premium child in this market, gotta stock up the rainy day fund.
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If we sent him to Stanford
We wouldn’t have been able to send him to Cabrillo, Redwoods (college of the), Norco, City (college of SF), San Jose City, Foothill, DeAnza, and Evergreen—obviously not being able to field a competitive resume, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
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I bet the Dodgers would eat most of Uribe’s salary if the Giants asked nicely.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
In prospect news, I continue to like both Panik and Brown. Particularly Brown. Has anyone actually seen Joe Panik play? Is there any chance that he can stick at SS?
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My understanding is that Panik is more suited for 2B. I haven’t seen him play, though. I’m hoping he’s assigned to San Jose for 2012.
Also, Gary Brown is awesome.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
I have Rich Aurillia fantasies about the fellow. If he can play SS, my admiration leaps from “My that is a fetching outfit Mr. Panik” to “Oh, Mr. Panik, I do declare!!”.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
I love Gary Brown. He was half the reason I went to SJ games.
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I saw him in Salem (one game sample!), and his throws from the hole at short had me thinking he would be a very good second baseman.
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Has anyone actually seen Joe Panik play?
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Hasn't he just turned into a magnificent troll at this point?
(So much so that I don’t even see him at the meetings anymore).
Ha, i mean, i agree that the ban is pretty dumb, might be poking fun at OSU’s fans for sure
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some of the classes tho at OSU... complete BS
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I don’t know. There may be some wisdom in preventing college-aged human beings from saying things publicly via a system that so clearly and fantastically encourages impulsive expression.
Heck, there may be some wisdom in preventing anyone from doing that.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Fascist.
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Man, I hate fasc so much.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
can't stop won't stop
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Don't stop. Get it. Get it.
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Me too
He was so annoying
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Not very bright
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Well this is encouraging:
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Except Pill lacks speed and athleticism and walks.
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How can you say Pill isn’t athletic? How many athletes can swing at a pitch that lands in the opposite batters box? That’s athleticism my friend.
exactly what i was thinking...
SWING AT EVERYTHING approach
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That’s not Parker. He strikes out a lot, but he walks a lot, too.
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DROP CITY
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Well, maybe the Belt we saw in the majors.
Here’s Belt’s line in A+ (San Jose): .387/.499/.624/1.123 (I believe this counts his rehab starts in 2011).
Parker: .253/.360/.397/.757.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
It was just one year too… So we’ll see
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Parker’s going to have to show a better average and better power. Might be tough in AA.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
He’s still young, i really hope he adjusts his swing a little bit, would like to see him as a corner outfielder, possibly a backup to Brown
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I think he could play CF. He’s fast enough. He mostly played RF last year, but 18 games in CF.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
He’s another guy who is controversial among McCoven. His high K rate and poor contact skills concern people, with good reason. I like him a lot, though, especially his patience at the plate and his defense. His power isn’t bad, either.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
So he is basically a wild card at the moment. Still in San Jose this year for the entire year i guess?
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No, I’m almost positive he’ll be in Richmond.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Nice
Damn i hope he progresses well in Richmond, hopefully in Fresno at the end of the year or by the start of 2013
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no hitter progresses well in the Eastern League
You can only hope to not regress too much!
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yea... i know
go from good numbers in the SJ, to then regressing in the pitchers Eastern league… DAMMIT I HOPE!
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The Cal League does intend to inflate numbers, especially in games played in the South division.
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Yep, i’ve noticed that, so we’ll see just how he performs in Richmond, and i wonder what he’ll have to do to get himself to Fresno
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Yeah, maybe a mid-year callup. I’d love that, because I like to watch him play.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
He’d have to really crush the ball in AA. I think you are more likely to see Gary Brown in Fresno. Actually, it’s probably very likely you see Brown in Fresno.
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I'm not
Wheeler was and still is the better prospect
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I just keep reminding myself
last year around this time, the big worries were 6th starter, Panda, and backup catcher. Only one of those ended up being an issue (although a gigantic one).
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
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meh
I’m a fan of the simple layout
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Natto posted a milestone!
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200 bucks for niner tickets?
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That was about what I estimated.
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tickets are sold out
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took 18 minutes
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THERE IS ONLY ONE JANUARY
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oh man the memories
So sad to discard these into the trash bin.
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No value on Ebay for this stuff?
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not worth it for like 5.99 :x
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NOOOOOO!
Sega Saturn shit is valuable, man!
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OT
Finally saw Moneyball. Maybe a couple spoilers, even though I’m sure most have read the book, nothing too revealing.
I found it to be pretty meh. Pitt’s portrayal of Beane seemed very hollow—it just seemed like normal Brad Pitt trying to act like he was a know-it-all baseball executive. Wasn’t very believable.
Didn’t really seem to follow the book all that much, although had they done that it would have made for an even more plodding experience. The movie seemed to really center around his relationship with his daughter and the winning streak, two things that I don’t remember being much of a part of the book. Also, they didn’t even talk about the draft at all, which IIRC was a large part of the book, especially Jeremy Brown, who was Beane’s white whale and received barely a mention in the movie.
I still don’t get why the movie was necessary, but I guess you could say that about 90% of the movies put out these days.
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I think it's a decent movie for baseball fans
but an excellent movie for non-baseball fans.
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It was pretty entertaining. The lack of owlcroft was quite evident to me, but that’s because of this place.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Bwahahahah
OTHERS : Brett Pill
Not even in our Top 20, but will be on the opening day roster over our #1 (Belt)
BOOM! BRUCE BOCHY
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My prediction
Belt as starting 1B with Huff and Pill on the bench
Huff plays okay and gets traded in mid-year.
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I hope you're right
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I actually think that Huff is the one who needs to prove himself this ST. Both Sabean and Bochy were pretty harsh on him at the end of the year and he played very little in September.
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…..and ANYTHING over the last 15 years of Sabean and 4 Years of Bochy gives you this inclination, how?
Belt would literally have to bat .350 this spring, and then start the season on fire to hold the spot.
Bengie Molina.
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If Posey didn’t go all Super Human on the Giants when finally given a couple starts Bochy would never have been “forced” to play Posey.
Just before the trade
Buster was hitting .289/.314/.381
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Which was a BA .050 points higher than Molina’s. And Posey had also thrown out 30-40% of base runners to Mooolina’s 17%
Agreed
but to say that Posey went “super human” is not accurate. They were both not really hitting but Bochy kept going to Bengie. Sabean traded away Bengie to force Bochy to play Posey at C.
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According to Band of Misfits, Molina was played more than they wanted so they could showcase him. When they finally roped in the Rangers, they made the trade. Which makes some sense— you can’t suddenly announce you’re going to trade a player and then have it happen within a 24 hour period. Especially if the player’s not really that good to begin with.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. The one time something like that happened. The ONE time. I don’t see it as a model for how the front office might actually conduct business.
Why the hell would anyone want a crappy 1B for any part of his $11m salary?
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Giants would have to eat part of his salary but I can see him going to a AL team needing 1B power.
Sabean has had a long history of trading away veterans on the last year of their contract.
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If Huff “plays okay”, do you really think there’s any chance Sabean would part ways with him? And if he played crappy enough for Sabean to want to drop him for the roster (I’d love to see how bad that would be, considering that Huff was rated as the least valuable player in the NL last year, and still started games regularly all season long), do you really think any team would give up anything for him?
Dream on.
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Does he? It feels like just the opposite to me. Molina, he did. Durham?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
I’ll admit, I’ve never really understood how Bengie Molina was a clear example of these guys preferring a young guy. Molina was a fat tub of goo playing like a fat tub of goo who got every chance to produce better than a fat tub of goo, and then ate those chances with sour cream. And then continued to be the preferred starter by the manager until the general manager literally ripped the option away.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I do think Huff is an obvious candidate to get Sabeanally Discharged, but not because they really, really want that younger player.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
If it happens (and that is a pretty big if)
It won’t be before early July. We will get article after article of “about to turn it around” and about 50 pre-games worth of “put on a show during BP”. I think Huff will end up with more at bats than Belt no matter how crappy he is.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget the game where Huff gets a double and a home run, then Krukow declares that this is the point where everything changes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
You don't think
Huff could be a repeat of that scenario?
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No, because Molina’s position is more valuable to a team. A bad first base can be played by a backup catcher, if need be.
Not the trading part
the remain portion of the comment
Also, the trade clearly showed a difference of opinions between Bochy and Sabean.
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In that case, it seems pretty clear what howtheyscored thinks:
I do think Huff is an obvious candidate to get Sabeanally Discharged
But it certainly
helps that a player like Belt is there.
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Yeah. I wasn’t commenting on the possibility of Huff being gone. I’ve said a few times that I think he’s suddenly become exactly the kind of player that Sabean is okay with discarding.
I’ve seen the Molina trade mentioned many times, though, as an example of the team doing what it takes to get an exciting young bat in the lineup. And that doesn’t make sense to me.
The Goofus-scenario on the Molina trade is the only plausible rationale that suggests anything other than Molina playing his way out of a job that was going to be damned hard to lose.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I can see a scenario in which a chain smoking, overweight Huff rolls into spring training and finds himself hanging out with Rowand and Tejada in some South San Francisco bar by July because of it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
This is a highly prejudicial version of events.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
They clearly wanted Posey in the minors and they clearly wanted Molina to keep him there for a while. And you know what? Their reasons for wanting Posey in the minors may very well have been wise. I don’t really know, and I’ve made no attempt to pass judgment on those reasons here. But that’s where they wanted him in 2010.
My version simply states that the Molina trade was not motivated by the burning desire to get Posey in the lineup, because they wanted him in the minors. The major league job was Molina’s because they believed his presence on the ML roster (20 HRs, etc.) made it reasonable to keep Posey in the minors.
That plan changed because Molina was awful. The fat tub of goo stuff was just descriptive.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
The major league job was Molina’s because they believed his presence on the ML roster (20 HRs, etc.) made it reasonable to keep Posey in the minors.
This is what I’m talking about. I could just as easily say that the job was Molina’s because the team felt it was necessary to give Buster 2-3 months working with and being evaluated by Steve Decker before throwing him to the wolves. Also, Molina didn’t really start sucking hard until after Buster was called up.
The thing is, even with those extra months in the minors Buster had a meteoric rise from A-ball to the bigs. Getting all worked up about how Molina was blocking him seems odd to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I do acknowledge that scenario, and call it reasonable, in a different comment, for what it’s worth.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I call it plausible in the other comment. I’m calling it reasonable here.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
It may be evident that this is a personal bugaboo of mine, since I am analyzing all the fun out of your much more entertaining ‘tub of goo’ post.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
No, I think it’s a fair reading of the events of 2010. It’s just not the reading I subscribe to. That I didn’t acknowledge it more immediately isn’t your fault.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
You could say it’s not worth getting worked up with too because it all worked out in the end. The process might have been wonky but it all led big shiny rings so who cares?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
SSS is amazing
Molina hit .344/.403/.422 in March/April 2010.
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Woo, BABIP!
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it’s the .403 OPS that amazes me.
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OBP, you mean?
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AHHH
totally posting fails today…yes OBP.
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Although
he did post a .513 OPS in May 2010.
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I mean, the dude was hitting .344. Is it really that surprising that his OBP was over .400?
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Yes
consider Molina hates walks as much as Dunston.
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Yeah, his BB% in 2009 was 2.5% .265/.285
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
It was completely small sample size. The difference was what, maybe 2 walks?
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The fact that Molina would take 2 walks in any one month would surprise me.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Even when his bat wasn’t frustrating the hell out of everyone that year, he was a veritable “wild pitch” machine behind the dish.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe we can throw Zito in this Huff trade
As long as we’re talking about trades that are never going to happen and make no sense
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Me (circa 1990): I’m moving to Garden Grove
Random friend: Where’s THAT?
Me: Southern California
Friend: Los Angeles?
Me: No
Friend: San Diego?
Me: No
Friend: Where?
Me: Near Disneyland
Friend: /stares
Me: Yeah, LA
Two weeks ago
Me: I’m going to California
Friend: What part?
Me: Southern California
Friend: What part?
Me (already seething): Orange County
Friend: THE OC !?!
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Would the A’s be willing to compromise with the Giants if they were allowed to call themselves the The Oakland A’s of San Jose?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
Rangers
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I might switch to "lean Rangers" if they get Darvish
But I dunno. They beat the Angels by 10 games but lost their best pitcher to the Angels (-3ish WAR from TEX and +3 to ANA) and had the Angels sign one of the best players in baseball to play a position that they were weak at last season?
That’s a big ol’ shift.
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Trumbo was a 2 win player last year
I wouldn’t call them exactly weak there. Certainly upgradeable though, which they did.
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Good for them, too,
since Trumbo isn’t about to become a six-win player.
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You could see some value lean back Texas' way if they move Feliz into the rotation
but we can’t know until the season how a top of the rotation of Darvish, Feliz, and Ogando will look.
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I guess Anaheimgeles,
but I’m not a big CJ Wilson fan, and besides Pujols, that lineup is pretty rough (though, I believe the numbers show otherwise).
Trout, though.
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Bourjos is what I pray Gary Brown can be.
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That would be pretty great, actually.
Not that he would be a savior, but it’d be nice to have some consistency in a piecemeal organization.
I don’t think Brown is expected to be a star. If he can be a major league-quality CF and leadoff hitter, that’s plenty good enough.
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Yeah, just agreeing with you. And phrasing it differently, since we’ve been spoiled of late with Cain, Lincecum, Wilson, Romo, Buster, Bumgarner, and Belt.
My hopes for Panik would basically be a younger Freddy Sanchez not made of legos.
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It’s the closest comp I can think of. High average, lower OBP doubles power guy who could play short but is better suited as an above-average 2B.
I was also going to make a ceiling comparison to the likes of Darwin Barney, but holy crap did he ever crater and I didn’t notice.
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I thought Panik is supposed to be able to take a walk.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
He seems okay
28 walks in 304 PAs (25 Ks).
Definitely a Sanchez-esque player.
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28 in 304
Small sample to go by, but that’s close to twice the BB% Freddy has for his career.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll take the on base and above average defense at 2B any time, especially when it comes at a low, low price.
But wait!
Call within the next fifteen minutes, and we’ll throw in this rack of maple bats for free!
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What about
a sweatshirt?
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His walk rate was about 8% or so in Salem.
It was much higher in college, but I’d expect it to shrink somewhat as he moves up the levels and the pitching improves. He could settle around 6% and be close to what we know of Freddy in San Francisco.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah
Freddy’s deal is not really taking walks but being a gnat/annoying.
Eckstein didn’t have a high BB rate either.
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There are two brands of 2Bs these days.
The gnattish defenders, like Eckstein, Altuve, Sanchez, and Carroll.
And then the Utleys Canos, and Ugglas of the world. It’s pretty hard to get a hold of one of those, though. A lesser example would be Kelly Johnson, which is kind of what I was hoping for out of Culberson after the 2010 AFL. Not so.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Except Utley’s career UZR/150 is 13.7 and Uggla’s is -5.7.
Utley can do it all.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting, Cano’s is -5.7 as well. He appears to have become fairly close to average after being awful when he came up.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Gold glover!!!!!!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
There is some discussion that Uggla is one of those players that UZR is, for whatever reason, unfair towards. In any case, I didn’t mean to suggest that those guys were bad defenders, merely that the power-hitting 2Bs tend to be on a dramatically different level.
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Doesn't UZR
lean heavily on range? I can see how a power hitting 2B would have a poor range as compared to a gnattish 2B.
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As opposed to what? UZR is all about range. If you want an arm/double play/something else rating, you’ll have to use another metric.
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I wasn't disputing the validity of UZR
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I know, I’m just confused as to what else you might think UZR would include. Arm and double play ratings?
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Not sure
sure handed probably helps. I mean if you have a guy with great range and gets to a lot of balls but 1) can’t make the throw or 2) can’t make the routine plays, I don’t know what UZR would say about him.
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Emmanuel Burriss 2011 (2B)
DPR: -1.9
RngR: 7.8
ErrR: -4.6
UZR: 1.3
UZR/150: 2.6
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Thanks
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Surely that number of outs one makes has some component of glove/arm?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
It includes errors as well, right? Both in the sense that you didn’t field the ball and if your throwing error leads to extra bases.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Well, obviously. I’ve just seen arguments made by guys who watched Uggla for years who didn’t really have a stake in his value claiming that he’s a better defender than the metrics claim. However, DRS also hates him, so I have no idea.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I’ve heard similar claims from Rockies fans that UZR hates every Coors Field outfielder ever, which deflates the apparent value of players like Fowler and Gonzalez. There might be something to that based on a number of factors; yet another set of claims was the Big Green Monster messing with Jason Bay’s UZR in Boston.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Although UZR inconsistencies for outfielders are much more believable than for infielders.
But, I’ve started rambling. I’ll shut up now.
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I agree. With your first sentence, not your second.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla is one of those players that UZR is, for whatever reason, unfair towards
I think the reason is galooty clankmitt
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
It seems to me that UZR is especially unfair to players that are poor fielders.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 3, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the bottom 9 2B in 2011
There are some surprises in there for me.
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Also, I don't get why people don't like CJ Wilson
In 2010-2011 combined, the list of pitchers with more fWAR than Wilson is:
Halladay, Lee, Verlander, Sabathia, Hernandez, Kershaw, Weaver, Haren.
That’s it.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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I don’t think he’s bad, I just am not a fan. And as a result, I haven’t paid attention to just how good he was for Texas, so that leads me to conclude he won’t make a tremendous impact with LosAnaheles.
I think he's a victim of his former role as a setup guy
Other than Derek Lowe when have u ever seen a guy go from a reliever to awesome/above average starter.
Of course excluding the Price, Wainwright, etc. types.
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For me it’s because he doesn’t have a pitch that he can just shut a team down with. He can throw a lot of different pitches but sometimes he’s off on some & it takes a while to figure out what’s working for him that night. He’s definitely an above average pitcher but I wouldn’t categorize him with the players you mentioned. Although it looks like he’s getting good results, there’s no WOW factor.
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God I hate that show.
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I find it mesmerizing.
Those marathons are dangerous. I will watch this show six hours straight. And I’m not kidding.
It is an example of what I hate about psudo reality tv. They shouldn’t try to make non-actors into characters. It’s is really annoying. Either just follow them around and make a documentary type show or make an admitted fictional show based on what these people do.
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I find this show to be right smack dab on the line when it comes to reality vs. fictionalized reality. But I don’t watch enough of this type of show to see all the seams. I would never argue that it is a great show and I imagine I will lose interest in it in a month or so (kind of like how I was obsessed with Chopped when it debuted for a good 4-6 months but have no interest in watching it ever again).
I don’t understand.
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yeaaaaahhhhhhhppppppp
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I'll go Angels
Conger!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Nobody has picked the Astros
Just kidding. I think it’ll be the Rangers again. I predict Pujols will have a slow start and there will be grumbling, then in the second half, he’ll get hot after a teammate is mysteriously murdered.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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The A's
With Collin Cowgil winning MVP from batting second and sixth in the lineup. He’ll also be the first player to drive in his own run twice on one HR after calling “ghost-runner on first” following an infield single.
Is it February 19 yet?
I don’t know, but the American League is stupid and it probably smells bad.
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Dollar dollar bill y'all
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Truth-speaking like that deserves a rec.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
DJ Tofu makes an interesting comment in the other fan post for the Sickels list
Wheeler is also B+
although Sickels said he would rank him above Brown "without question".
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/27/2664351/new-york-mets-top-20-prospects-for-2012
I somehow feel better about him being a B+, though it sucks that he would still be the Giants’ best prospect.
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The grades are just shorthand. B+ that early in his career means he feels Wheeler’s got tremendous upside.
No worries, I understood it. It gave me a sad, though.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
As did this:
Like Harvey, I see Wheeler as a future number two starter and staff anchor,
That’s a pretty high ceiling.
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LOL
Wheeler has a plus-plus fastball
Makes me drool.
by Ambient on Dec 28, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
“Wheeler has a plus-plus fastball”
No, he doesn’t.
by Kelsdad on Dec 28, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yes he does.
When you’re hitting 95-97 with the kind of movement he has on it, it’s a plus-plus. If you’re gonna dispute it, you’ve never seen the crazy life it has down in the zone.
by Ambient on Dec 28, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
What differentiates between plus and plus/plus is not movement and/or velocity.
by Kelsdad on Dec 28, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
What else can a fastball do then?
by piazza62 on Dec 28, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
solve cancer
by cookiedabookie on Dec 28, 2011 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
and cure the violence in the Middle East
by cookiedabookie on Dec 28, 2011 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
The concern
with him has always been control.
He has a career 2.21 K/BB ratio but had a 6+ ratio in the 27 IP he had with the Mets’ A+ team.
I would also think that it’s a lot harder to project a Single-A pitcher than a single-A batter.
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Sickels says as much in his listing.
Grade A hitters are pretty projectable and rarely fail (relatively speaking). Grade A pitching prospects fail all the time.
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Question
Has there been examples of a pitcher who “found his control”? J. Sanchez had very similar stats as Wheeler early in his minor league career (Sanchez had a lower BB rate).
There was an analysis of Wheeler’s numbers in which it was stated that pitchers with his walkrate and K/BB ratio almost never made it. The only exception was Ubaldo and his control problems have gotten worse
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Lots of pitchers improve their control over time. Randy Johnson is the prime example. He walked 5.2 per 9 in his 20s, 2.8 per 9 in his 30s, and 2.1 per 9 in his 40s.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay have similar jumps.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I would speculate, though I have no proof, that most pitchers with careers into their 30s see a measurable downtick in their walk rate over time.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Make that “well into their 30s”.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'd bet almost anything that you're right, but that it's mostly due to selection/survivor bias.
I mean, most pitchers who last that long probably have to, because they’re probably no longer striking out as many guys.
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Yeah, I was about to make a comment saying something similar.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Selection bias is really quite pervasive in baseball. Probably the source of the contract year myth as well.
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But at least this suggests an actual ability that players are actually able to tap. It may not be especially useful, but it seems meaningful.
Curt Schilling was kind of nuts, though. After turning 30, he shaved a full walk per 9 off his BB rate while ADDING almost two strikeouts to the same per.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks
Johnson made a major jump at 29, so did Cliff Lee
Halladay had pretty good control by 24 and 6th year in the minors.
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I don't know
I think it’s a crap shoot. There is selection bias (as stated above) because the pitchers who don’t make the jump are not around much longer.
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Hindsight dictates they should’ve traded him after 2010, but even with near-term hindsight and at the time, they probably moved Sanchez too fast this off-season and might’ve been able to get something better than Melky. Then again, as speckops says, it is far more likely a pitcher never figures it out.
Consider what Beane got for Gio Gonzalez and then how Gio Gonzalez isn’t much better than Jonathan Sanchez.
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No, you’re absolutely right. That was an oversight on my part. Gio has been in the league for four years, so I just figured he was a free agent after 2013.
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I think they should have, but not because we should expect anything special out of his walk rate. I just think his value would have rebounded enough to make him interesting to more teams at a time when they might be more desperate for pitching.
The timing of that trade just seemed so wrong to me.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, they traded a guy at his lowest value in years at a point in the year when the market for trading pitchers is on the lower end of the thermostat. Unless they really think his arm is toast, then I don’t see how the quality of the return was the driving force behind the move.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Nice “unless… then” sentence, there.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you.
But it seems like the Giants FO just doesn’t do trading high.
I can’t think of a time off the top of my head, where the Giants have dealt off a player who had some use in the squad.
Matt Williams!
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I was like 10 at a time.
GET OFF MY PARENTS LAWN
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..at THE time.
It is not a good day for me and typing.
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They couldn’t have traded him before then, though, and they had to trade him soon or else get nothing at all for him.
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I don’t see why he couldn’t have kept Zito out of the rotation for a few months before sending him to an AL team looking to shore up the rotation for the stretch run. Almost any version of Sanchez other than 2011 would make that scenario favorable.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, because he’s on my calendar for January.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Wheeler's walk rate
It dropped in the 1+ month in AA, after changing to his HS pitching motion. That would make me believe his pitching motion is higher stress on his shoulder or elbow.
Blerg
Man. The snow is really starting to come down, here.
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If you squint really hard, this is also a pretty hilarious TWSS.
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Is it snowing in Illinwah?
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Believe it or not, we still don’t really have snow that’s stuck on the ground yet. We got maybe half an inch yesterday, but it’ll probably be gone by this time tomorrow.
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High on Friday is projected to be 51˚ F. Just crazy. In the 14 years that my PI has lived here, he said that the city has had to move back the leaf collection service by 3 weeks because of the increasingly warm temperature.
Talk about scary.
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/champagne room Al Gore talk
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UNPACK UNPACK UNPACK
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I’m really enjoying this weather, but it is not good for the drought situation.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
there is a drought situation?
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Not yet, but there could be.
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I just miss rain. We’ve had two mild rainstorms so far, I think. I want some good, cold weather and the not-infrequent rainstorm, please.
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
My friend’s father needs rain badly for his wheat right now. The weather might be nice but we need some rain.
And a good snow pack.
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PACK PACK PACK
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
i actually miss the snow
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How could you not..
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I don't know. He used to steal the batboys' lunch money.
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2002 :(
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We do mediocrity right!
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by tobias on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Oh wow
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Andy Reid is back too!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Norv n' Andy both surviving their respective seasons is flabbergasting.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Andy Reid has overseen exactly two losing seasons in his 13 year head coaching career, and this was not one of them. Firing him would have been funny.
Norv Turner is one of AJ Smith’s best buds, I believe, and Smith has a lot of influence in that franchise.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Technically true. The Eagles went 8-8 this year.
Of course, they had to win their last four games (against the spectacular quartet of MIA, NYJ, DAL, and WAS) to get there, so that’s hardly a mark in his favor. In fact, the “Dream Team” he was handed only had to play five games against playoff-bound teams, and managed to go all of 1-4 against them. Mix in the well-documented issues with the two-minute drill and the fanbase howling for his head, and I am comfortable with my flabbergastation.
But you are correct that his overall record should earn him a mulligan or two.
Anyway, it sounds like Lurie has named 2012 Reid’s put up or shut up season.
There’s a point in The Princess Bride where Vizzini says the word “inconceivable” too many times for Inigo’s taste, and Inigo looks at him sideways and says, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I bring this up because Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie used the word “unacceptable” several times in today’s news conference, and that’s one of those words that sports people use without thinking about what it really means. If something is “unacceptable” (as Lurie insists the Eagles’ 8-8 season was) yet elicits no consequences, then that makes it, by definition, “acceptable.” Lurie spent the first 15 minutes of his address to the Philadelphia media talking about his anger and frustration, called the first half of the season “dismal” and “terrible” and said he took little solace in the Eagles’ 4-0 finish because it came against teams that weren’t “that competitive.”
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Calling them a Dream Team was a joke from the beginning. They had significant holes throughout the lineup. In fact, I would say the only positions where they have above average talent would be WR, TE, RB and CB. Most would say QB, but I personally am not a fan of Vick as a QB.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Chargers. They always suck but just do enough to make the owner think Norv’s doing a good job and so he stays. This despite the fact that for all intents in purposes, he should have been fired years ago.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
The Chargers are so weird
So much talent, usually a good to great point differential, and always a LOLOL season
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
shift-A
This blows. I can’t even fuck around on my phone at work anymore without having to actually find somewhere to hide off our security cameras.
I really hope I can get a new job by the time baseball starts.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 PM PST reply actions
are you serious
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what a shitty product
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I'm having trouble squeezing out a good pun for this thread.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
you shouldn't piss away a golden opportunity like this
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by torpedoing the discussion
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Can mods do that? Who is on slate wiping doodie?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
you guys need to just can it already.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
if they make it to the wc this year
i’ll throw a block potty
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by operation carrot on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
It’s so easy to use! There’s only 1 button!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Just don’t sit with your legs to the left.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
When you pee, it looks like you’re filling it with Apple juice.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Does that come with a touchscreen?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Siri: Flush toilet.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Not bad Howie. You are digesting your food rather well.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And if you forget to flush your toilet while you’re in the bathroom, you can send the flush command remotely from your iPhone.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, the service is not available. Also, your poop is not compatible.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't run Adobe Flush
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Or
It doesn’t understand #2
only 0s & 1s
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Man the new Qantas first class cabin looks like the USS Enterprise
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I find this whole post extremely depressing
The lack of minor league depth is sad. At least we are filling in the holes with big time free agents…wait. At least we are resigning our All-star pitchers…wait. At least we are rebuilding for future success…wait.
OK, I give up. Why exactly am I suppose to be excited about the Giants in 2112 and beyond? Buster Posey at 1B for years to come will be the answer I guess.
I might start drinking.
Apparently
Lincecum, Cain, and Madbum as your SPs
a lineup of
Brown
Panik
Panda
Buster
Belt
LF
Nate
SS
is horrible
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It kinda is
I suppose if Brown, Panik and Belt all pan out well while Panda and Buster don’t decline than I would put it in the “not horrible” category. However, you missed my sarcasm point of not having resigned any all star pictures yet. So you saying Lincecum and Cain are on this team I find horrible is a straw man. If the Giants do indeed have Lincecum and Cain on the same team the same year Brown and Panik are on the team and are good, then it is not a horrible team. That’s a lot of ifs and it’s exactly my point of not being too excited about the years to come.
Sandoval and Buster are, like, 25 next season.
In two years, when Brown and Panik are more likely to be at the major league level, Panda and Posey should be getting close to their primes, not declining. Belt will also be a bit more grown into his frame.
It really doesn’t take that much for granted.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Brown is probably a top 40 prospect; Panik may sneak into the top 50, but maybe not. For what it’s worth, Sickels recently looked back at the top 50 hitting prospects from 2007 here. A couple of guys turned out really well after #30, but mostly a lot of meh. Projecting prospects, even hitters, is really hard.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yes, but neither is the grading reason for “Maybe I should start drinking.” It’s a crop that has enough potential that the odds are in the Giants’ favor that at least a few should pan out to be useful pieces.
The reason the Giants have a lot of ‘ifs’ is because we already have 4 ‘sure things,’ or the closest you can get to it, in the majors. Plus Sandoval, plus Belt.
It’s like people act like we’re the Pirates because they think they don’t have enough misery in their own lives.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don’t think Panik will sneak into the Top 100, sadly. I think Brown will be our only top 100 guy this year. Which, along with the rest of your statement (which is quite true) doesn’t reflect all that well on our near term future.
It’s going to stay reliant on graduated talent for another couple years at least. The good news is, payroll flexibility should improve in coming years, so FA might be a feasible stopgap. Also, I can’t imagine that the Giants are going to hang on to Posey, Sanchez, Joseph, and Susac. Depending on who they like, one or more of them could be traded for better pieces if they move at the right time.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Without meaning to be overly negative, to me if Cain and Lincecum both walk, I don’t see how we’re not immediately one of the bottom half dozen teams in MLB for several years.
Hopefully, if they are going to walk, a decent haul of prospects will be coming the other way.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, that almost never happens. If you put the three Cliff Lee trades together AND throw in the Roy Halladay deal you won’t end up with much of significance, certainly nothing that would radically improve the team in the mid-term. And that’s 14 prospects, only maybe two of whom (maybe three if you want to be optimistic) at this point hold out much hope for being really good major leaguers.
I know everyone thinks longingly about the Bartolo Colon deal but that was such a sui generis situation that it’s not really worth dreaming on.
Well if the Mariners had just traded for Jesus Montero, then that trade would look a lot better right now. And hey… Montero is still available! ;)
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In the (to my mind unlikely) event that neither Cain nor Lincecum wanted to sign with us at all, that at least leaves us with a rather huge hole in our budget with which to pay free agents (especially as Rowand, Huff and Zito will all be off the books by then too). Plus whatever propects we get for them. It’s not like if they leave we have to go on pitching forever with Bumgarner, Vogelsong, Surkamp and Barry Zito’s zombified corpse.
by DiggingForFire on Jan 4, 2012 5:58 AM PST up reply actions
So once we finally get Rowand and Huff and Zito’s contracts off the books we’ll have the money to go out and build our team through FA? You’ll forgive me if that thought doesn’t fill me with comfort.
Well, not just Rowand, Zito and Huff’s contracts. It would also be Lincecum’s and Cain’s current contracts, as they haven’t signed extensions in this scenario.
Added up, that’s what, close to $60m per year free that is currently tied up in payroll. That’s a lot of dough to replace Lincecum and Cain and get filler to cover for the non-production we’re currently getting from Zito, Rowand and Huff. Plus the prospects.
Don’t get me wrong, I desperately don’t want Lincecum or Cain to leave. But I don’t agree at all that we would suddenly be terrible if they did.
by DiggingForFire on Jan 4, 2012 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
My point was that you’re relying on the team that made the Zito, Rowand, and Huff decisions to construct a competitive team off the FA market when their history of FA signings is not a particularly positive ones. We know that Sabean believes in getting a lot of “solid” guys as opposed to pursuing superstars, and he tends to overpay for veterans. While he’s found some bargain gems over the years, the worst Giants teams in our recent history were almost entirely put together from the FA market.
Ah, I thought that might have been it. I think it’s fair point. I definitely don’t love the idea of them trying to replace Cain and Lincecum in the FA market in consequtive years, even with a great big pot of money to do it with (which is why I want to keep at least one of them).
On the other hand, hopefully the Giants will have learned a lot from those contracts
by DiggingForFire on Jan 4, 2012 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
Giants Brass are really more into all star sculptures.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
I try not to plan more than 20 years in advance
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I am not nearly so pessimistic about it. That we have no premium talent is hardly news. But it seems to me that we have some good talent in the system, much of it is just not close to the majors.
We’re at a juncture where we don’t have many good trade chips, but in two years this crop may look much better; some of the chaff will drop off of course, but we’ll have more talent coming in underneath them.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah. Panik, Crick, Susac, Osich, and Oropesa seems like a great haul to me, given that we, y’know. Won the World Series.
Plus, Crick and Osich seem like the kind of guys that Tidrow can really get the most out of.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Bear in mind
Belt and Crawford aren’t on the list because they’re already in the majors, even though in reality they are still really in the ‘prospect’ stage of their careers. Add them in and and the list looks a little better.
It would also look a fair bit nicer with Wheeler, of course. But I take comfort from the idea that he was considered expendable because the Giants are so committed to signing up Lincecum, Cain and Bumgarner, and so confident that Vogelsong is the real deal, that we are pretty stocked for pitching talent for the next several years. And/or they see something in Wheeler that suggests he may not be as good as most people think.
by DiggingForFire on Jan 4, 2012 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
OT: Tree is still up
But at least I’ve done the grocery shopping.
Now to make myself a grilled brie/apricot preserves on watsonville sourdough bread sandwich for lunch.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Ooh, can I come over for lunch?
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
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by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
You really should. This is so good.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Okay, I’ll be there at… say… 4:00 p.m. ;-)
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Jan 3, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently
Boras is asking for $15-17M on a multiyear deal for Edwin Jackson. He wants at least $12M.
Any guesses on what team will be stupid enough to pay Mark Buehrle money for Edwin Jackson?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Red Sox
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine if CC hadn’t panned out for the Yankees. They would be so fucked.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don’t think the Yankees can be fucked.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I had a weird dream last night that I was throwing indoor batting practice to Carlos Beltran. It must have been a carry over from watching a couple of YouTube clips of him from 2006 earlier in the day.
"i am a socialist too."
And then you were in high school with Carlos Beltran, and neither of you had your backpacks. And this was the day that the entire year’s worth of homework was due, too!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Carlos had done his homework already and refused to let you copy his notes!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
ArsenaLOL
LOLiverpool
/patiently waits to talk shit until Spurs can’t fuck up vs West Brom
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 1:46 PM PST reply actions
Spurs have yet to play Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea away from home. They may be in line for a very rude awakening.
Liverpool and Arsenal, on the other hand, play the majority of their toughest opponents at home in the second half of the season.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
City has already played Spurs at White Heart Lane, United at Old Trafford, Chelsea at Stamford Bridge and Liverpool at Anfield.
They’re in the drivers seat now, especially considering how well they’ve performed at home. Most of the big impactful matches will now come at COMS for them.
White HART Lane. The deer, not the organ.
Like Harry’s (’arry’s?) patronus.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 5, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/pedantic
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 5, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I was surprised to see Gillaspie even in the top 20, sometimes it seems like I’m the only person left who thinks he’ll be an above-average starter rather than the next Mark DeRosa at best.
Irrational Conor Gillaspie fanboy.
Mark DeRosa was a fine hitter.
He was just not a good defender.
If Gillaspie hits like DeRosa did before his injury, he’ll have no trouble finding a home.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Timmy has lost velocity, lost some control, cannot beat the dodger ace, is losing flexibility and at times concentration,
has added new pitches, including a devastating slider, and some guys can’t even see the ball when batting against him, and some guys own him. 6 years 150 million take it or leave it.
cannot beat the dodger ace
This is as significant as how one quarterback matches up against another. You ARE aware only one of them gets to pitch at any given time, right?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM PST reply actions
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