On Gary Brown ...
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM PST
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PrintJust realized that for all of the Carlos Beltran-related hand-wringing, there aren't nearly enough Zack Wheeler complaints on the front page. I'll write a little sticky note for my desk and put it with the rest.
It's insane that the Giants traded their top pitching prospect for two months of Carlos Beltran. With the benefit of hindsight, it's such an obviously terrible move to make for a free agent a team has no intention of re-signing. When it went down, it didn't seem so bad. Watching the 2011 Giants hit did that to right-thinking people.
But I might be in the minority when I say that I'm glad it wasn't Gary Brown, as was first rumored. Tim Lincecum's going to be a free agent in two years. Matt Cain might be. There isn't a lot of pitching depth at the upper levels of the Giants' system. The 2014 rotation could be Bumgarner/Surkamp/Marquis/Suppan/Zito (after the option kicks in), so it would have been pretty keen to keep Wheeler around. Still, I'm irrationally attached to Brown. Giants hitting prospects are rare birds of paradise that you can't just get at a Costco, and I trust the team to develop pitching.
That's the way it used to be, at least. There was a decade or two of hitter-free development, but that rap can probably get retired if Brandon Belt becomes a starter in 2014, which would mean that over a third of the lineup would be homegrown (and pretty danged good). And if Gary Brown comes up and does what he's supposed to, that's half of a homegrown lineup. Who'd've thunk it? I guess it's not that big of a deal -- they've had 50% homegrown lineups before! -- but they haven't had a good one since the Clark/Williams/Thompson days.
So I probably shouldn't get irrationally attached to a young Giants hitter just because he's a young Giants hitter. This isn't the Todd Linden Era. There have already been some great hitters who came up through the farm. Probably should just evaluate each prospect on his own merits and consider where he fits into the organizational plan, not based on an antiquated notion of how the Giants are cursed when it comes to developing hitters.
With that in mind, then, here's what I expect Gary Brown to do:
- Hit for average. I'd like to think that a .290/.340/.440 projection for his peak isn't too much of an overly optimistic fanboy thing
- Steal 50 to 60 bases with a high success rate
- Play center field like a wizard on Adderall
And here's what I expect Zack Wheeler to do:
- Pitch really, really well
The set of expectations for Brown is exotic and mysterious. It's like reading the lurid descriptions of the natives in a piece of colonial literature. So different. So compelling. You can picture whatever you want in your head. A leadoff/center-type like that is something that the Giants haven't seen since the days of Brett Butler, but this one would have better defense. Andres Torres's best year, but with average and more vrrrooom. He doesn't just have a chance to be a "good homegrown hitter" -- he'd be a different species of "good homegrown hitter."
Wheeler might be just as valuable. Could be more valuable. You can get out your WAR calipers and measure away, and if you prefer Wheeler, well, you could be right. There's a reason why he's generally rated higher on the prospect lists that are coming out. But I've seen good pitching. It's fantastic. That grass on the other side of the fence seems greener, though. Imagine! A speedy defensive wunderkind who can get on base a little bit!
I'm hoping that a) Brown starts at AAA this year, b) he tears the place up, and c) that Angel Pagan hits and fields well enough where the Giants don't have to bring up Brown until September. The Giants' farm system is the antonym of exciting, other than the depth of good catching prospects. But Brown is one of the exceptions, and I'm glad he's still on the Giants.
Having Wheeler at the same time would be pretty cool too, dammit, but I'll write about that another time. I have a reminder about it and everything.
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Absolutely LAME...
editorial, worst “effort” I’ve seen in months.
by Billy Swift on Jan 27, 2012 2:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Am guessing...
you are not thrilled with the Helmsey addition.
by Billy Swift on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
After he's traded away for a middle reliever, plays through his team-controlled years and first contract with other teams, then signs here as a bench player.
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Needs to go to Japan.
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A hitter making it back from Japan?
Not many have done that. Particularly compared to pitchers.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 26, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
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My Giants-related Gin Blossoms story is when my band played a 15 band radio-fest in the outfield in what I think is Phoenix Municipal Stadium, though my memory may be iffy. But I reveled in the thought that Willie Mays had stood in the place where I was standing, or at least where the stage was. That night we went to see this new band called the Gin Blossoms and they were pretty okay and they handed out baseball cards at the show and I thought that was cool and pretty funny. Then 6 months later they had a lot of hit songs and my band did not, so I am indifferent, but for solely personal reasons.
by I Am Curious Lemaster on Jan 26, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Nope. Just the Brown noise.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM PST reply actions
c) that Angel Pagan hits and fields well enough where the Giants
don’t have to bring up Brown until September sign him to a long term contact.*
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c) that Angel Pagan hits and fields well enough where the Giantsdon’t have to bring up Brown until Septembersign him to a long term contact.*
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I guess if you made me choose, I woulda gone with Wheeler
But I have doubts about both, so.
Brown’s interesting. It’s not often you get a prospect crush because you’re sure that he’s going to be a +10 defender and doesn’t have to hit that much.
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I think Brown is a safe bet and I trust the Giants regarding their pitching evaluation.
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You woulda gone with Wheeler as in wanted to keep or trade Wheeler?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
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Just in the sense that
If you made me choose which one of them will be a better player.
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Then that's not a prospect crush, is it?
=)
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So you've finally come around on Crawford?
It’s not often you get a prospect crush because you’re sure that he’s going to be a +10 defender and doesn’t have to hit that much.
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I don't think Crawford is a +10 defender, and I don't think he'll hit anywhere close to enough.
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He was a +8 defender last year
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Runs saved is independent of position.
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Kinda?
If you have a guy who’s a +8 in LF, he’s not as good of a defender as someone who’s +8 in CF.
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Yes
But that’s accounted for in positional adjustment, not in runs saved.
If you save 8 runs at shortstop, you’ve saved the same number of runs as someone who saved 8 runs in left field.
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Well.. yeah.
That doesn’t change that SS > CF.
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Depends on what you want to compare it to. If you’re comparing shortstops to shortstops and left fielders to left fielders, +8 is +8. If you’re comparing shortstops to center fielders, +8 ss > +8 cf.
Yes, of course
But my point was that a team with a +10 SS defender and a 0 center fielder saves the same amount of runs as a 0 SS defender and a +10 CF.
But the individual shortstop is more valuable because of the positional adjustment.
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Maybe
but it’s pretty darn close.
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Eh
In talking about things like this, +8 actually does equal +10.
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Pretty much. Since the difference is about 0.2 fWAR.
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that and 2 runs over a season
is well within the noise range
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I’d feel more comfortable saying Crawford is +10 than Brown is at this point. But Brown’s bat obviously looks better.
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I mean, what's the number of actual +10 shortstops in the majors at any given time?
Over the past three years, it’s 3.
Are people here really ready to say that Brandon Crawford is one of the 3 best defensive shortstops in the MLB right now?
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Per UZR, I should say.
And you can’t use less than a 3 year sample for UZR.
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By those terms it’s impossible to define then. Per UZR, no, he isn’t. But that’s like saying per my eyes I can’t say you have a cock bigger than a newborn’s.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
lol wut
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by rotorueter on Jan 26, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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He asked if per UZR Crawford is one of the best defenders in baseball, but you can’t use less than a 3 year sample size. Crawford doesn’t have a 3 year sample size, so of course he doesn’t make the cut. But just because he hasn’t met the requirement for UZR to say that he is doesn’t mean that he isn’t. Hence it would be like me arguing that GP’s dick is smaller than a newborn’s because I haven’t seen it to prove otherwise.
I don’t know, I was trying to come up with a ridiculous and slightly amusing (at least to myself) analogy.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 26, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
No, I didn't ask if per UZR Crawford is one of the best defenders in baseball.
I asked if people here think he’s one of the best defenders in baseball. There’s no proof of it one way or the other until some statistically significant data comes in, and that will take years.
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Per UZR, I should say.
And you can’t use less than a 3 year sample for UZR.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't talking about Crawford, was I?
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Are people here really ready to say that Brandon Crawford is one of the 3 best defensive shortstops in the MLB right now?
Per UZR, I should say.
And you can’t use less than a 3 year sample for UZR.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
The "per UZR" referred to
the number of actual +10 shortstops, not to Brandon Crawford.
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Nah, Billy Beane
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I've been meaning to ask you a few questions about his penis.
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No I'm pretty sure it's because you're his sex slave.
I guess we will never know for sure.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
So should we just discount Jose Bautista’s 1000+ OPS, then? He couldn’t have ACTUALLY done that, because no one else is doing it.
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Uh, no
The number of people who put up a 1000+ OPS is small. People who do that are among the best hitters in the game. Is Jose Bautista one of the best hitters in the game? Yes.
The number of +10 shortstop defenders is small. People who do that are among the best defenders in the game. Is Brandon Crawford among the best defenders in the game? Maybe. I doubt it.
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What about a 1000 OPS+?
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Probably about the same number of +10 CF in the majors at any given time?
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I don’t think Brown is a +10 defender either. Lots seem to.
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Sorry
I thought this was your stance:
It’s not often you get a prospect crush because you’re sure that he’s going to be a +10 defender
Were you talking about other peoples opinions?
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Yes
My apologies for that being unclear. I’m not the biggest Brown fan.
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Ah, then nevermind on my initial question and subsequent arguments
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I’ve always been a bit of a Brown apologist (I liked him better than Colon, who certainly looked a lot like a massive overdraft in his first full season).
But even if you’re not a huge fan, it’s hard to look at that pick as bad value. I mean of the 60 guys taken after him are there any position players who look like definite improvements? There’s Castellanos, Olt, Gyorko (who the Giants were rumored to be on as well). All of those guys are interesting bats (and I actually wanted them to take Castellanos with that pick) but none of them are obvious improvements over Brown. And Brown can provide value in a lot more ways than any of those three will for certain.
Even throwing pitchers into the mix Taijuan Walker’s the only guy who you could say could have been a more valuable pick. I mean, it’s hard to see where there was an obvious better value to be had there than Brown. Certainly none of the next group of teams picking found it because the next 20 or so picks look some form of pretty bad right now.
Oh, yeah
I don’t dislike Brown. I just think I like him less than other people here, and I’m worried about his offensive game being heavily BABIP-driven.
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But
doesn’t a good hitter generally have high BABIP in the minors because they are much better than the pitching?
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No, it’s because the combination of unskilled players and poor field quality makes for weaker defenses.
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It’s probably some combination of of both. Line drives have better BABIP.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Would you mind explaining to a non-nerd
what “heavily BABIP-driven” means and why it’s a bad thing?
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In baseball statistics, Batting average on balls in play (abbreviated BABIP) is a statistic measuring the percentage of plate appearances ending with a batted ball in play (excluding home runs) for which the batter is credited with a hit. BABIP is commonly used as a red flag in sabermetric analysis, as a consistently high or low BABIP is hard to maintain – much more so for pitchers than hitters. Therefore, BABIP can be used to spot fluky seasons by pitchers, as with other statistical measures, those pitchers whose BABIPs are extremely high can often be expected to improve in the following season, and those pitchers whose BABIPs are extremely low can often be expected to regress in the following season
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average_on_balls_in_play
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It means he doesn't walk a lot and doesn't have a lot of power
So it appears his offensive value is closely tied to how many singles he hits, basically. And that can fluctuate a lot year to year.
That could all change, but that’s how it looks to me now.
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Except in his one full season he walked a reasonable amount and showed good power for a speedy CF type.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 26, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
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According to the numbers and scouting reports he certainly doesn’t seem like a pure singles hitter.
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If I remember correctly, his power was speed power, not real power.
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I seem to remember hearing a lot of reports of him driving the ball quite well.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 26, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
My impression is that he’s pretty line-drivey.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Gap power, etc. etc.
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I’d like to power into your gaps.
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Um.
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The walks thing was the biggest criticism of him at the time of the draft.
Personally, I think it was a case of him having more or less outgrown the competition at that level. “Why walk when I can hit?”
I am hoping to see his approach shift as he gets to higher levels and the pitching quality improves.
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It’s not that unusual for good prospects to show high BABIP’s in the minors though. It doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing as it does in the majors. Heck Brandon Belt flashed a .440 BABIP in the Cal League and something pretty close to .400 in AA and AAA, too.
Sure
But Belt also flashed a lot more patience and power than Brown.
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He certainly did. And even more impressive he crushed the EL. In some ways, the Cal League played right into Belt’s strengths because generally Cal league pitchers stay on the outside of the plate, as Gary Davenport was just discussing last week. And of course that’s Belt’s power zone. But being able to do what he did in the EL tells me he’ll figure out the hard stuff on the hands eventually. It think he’ll probably always be a high K guy though.
That won't fit in well on the Giants, alas.
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With that speed he has a chance to be
But there is more to defending that vroom, obviously.
I like Brown for his speed. With any contact whatsoever, he has a shot at beating out a throw to first. Ichiro made a living on grounding to the left side and running like a mofo.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I’d be a little surprised if there weren’t more +10 CFs. And almost certainly the number of +15 CFs is greater than the number of +15 SSs.
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Umm... you recognize that those numbers are above average, right?
So if there were more +15 CF’ers, they would raise the average, and then become +12 CF’ers again.
What having more +15 CF’ers really means is that there’s a greater spread in talent among the worst and best CF’ers that teams put out there.
Yes, I do.
And there is almost certainly a greater spread in talent in CF than at SS.
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In looking through FG
It looks pretty similar. There are some higher outliers (like, +15) in the CF group, but it’s not all that different. I just looked that past 4 years of data, min 2000 innings, UZR/150.
Basically, every year there seems to be some CF that puts up a crazy +20 year, which rarely happens at SS.
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Does this have to do with the number of chances each position gets (bigger swings from smaller samples)?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
They actually look to have a similar number of opportunities
But, that’s just eyeballing the tables.
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Hmmm… I wonder if there is a difference in the type or average difficulty… not enough to do the homework on it, but still, it seems odd.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Right now? No
But, I want to watch him play for a bit. He is at least the anti-Huff\Molina, he is young and paid almost nothing. Young Giants who do not perform, get tossed back to the minors or traded.
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
There's nowhere to toss Crawford to
Because the Giants, like idiots, have made him more or less their only shortstop option.
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CF depth is just as bad if Pagan gets hurt.
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Melky, Nate could do it, Christian if he comes back and chills in AAA
Of course, the Giants should play Fontenot at SS from day one, but if they decide they don’t want to do that, who’s the second string SS?
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Burris
Who would hit just as good as Christian- Horrible
Melky would be similar to Fontenot.
Nate is better 4th option than SS.
Worst case scenario aside, Crawford put up positive WAR in his 1/3 of a year or so. Huff is a bigger question to me.
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I could probably live with Melky-Nate-Belt.
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I guess if you’re not competing for to win your division that is a decent outfield.
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Eh, Melky is at least average in left, and Nate doesn’t project as a butcher in center. And frankly, I’d rather have Nate in center than Melky.
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You’re not managing, and Nate’s got no experience there.
Also, I suspect that RF at ATT has a wonky overrating effect on defensive metrics. Guys who were OK right fielders before, or sub-par center fielders, seem to suddenly become 14-20 R/150 defenders here.
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Well, RF is easier to play than CF, so I don’t really know if that’s a fair comparison at all.
And frankly, whether Nate has a background with playing CF or not, I don’t think he’d be substantively worse than Cody ever was. And it’s not hard to be better than Melky up the middle.
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And frankly, whether Nate has a background with playing CF or not,
You’re missing my point. The GIANTS will never play a career RF in center when they have an experienced CF on the roster. Even if he’s a really bad CF.
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Ah, that is a more clear way of putting it, yes.
I normally am with you in the camp of “Yeah, but they Giants are never going to do X,” but I really, really dislike Melky’s presence on the roster. Probably because he’s the exact sort of player that you just know the Giants will misuse.
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The Scutaro non-deal suggests that the Giants don’t give a shit at this point.
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by Every6thDay on Jan 26, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No way, man! Waaaaay off base. The Giants will be just fine with that outfield. In fact, they'll be more than fine, because:
1. Historically great, injury free pitching.
2. Extra wild card
3. Weak division
4. Cabrera will be worth $14 million in 2012
5. Nate Schierholtz is a starting OF on any team in the NL.
Would much rather see Brown hit somewhere else than Wheeler come waltzing in and shut us down.
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But
you don’t need Wheeler to do that. Henry Sosa did that.
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Right...and that was PAINFUL.
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I'd like to see Brown hit above A-ball
Before I anoint him anything
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You will have your day. I am sure the Giants will be sniffing the 2nd wild card spot and Brown will be traded for some other player the Giants don’t intend to sign!
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Lets see if I can find a good candidate..
Berkman, Ichiro, Carlos Lee, BJ Upton, Nick Swisher..
BOOM
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Giants people are starting drum up love for Kyle Crick. Over hyped homerism or legit prospect? Also, thoughts on Panik? Still overdrafted or did his first professional play impress you? Thanks!
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Rated Crick over Panik in last year’s draft.
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I think there is a question about his arm.
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There’s a quote around here that says he’s probably Freddy Sanchez. Why is this a problem?
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Because Freddy Sanchez as your absolute upside for a first round draft pick is slightly overwhelming?
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Sanchez would have had the 5th-highest WAR of any first-round pick in his draft.
Utley, Adrian Gonzalez, Adam Wainwright, Kelly Johnson, and then Sanchez. I don’t think a Sanchez upside is that underwhelming.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 26, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a good player.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
But they should have signed him as a free agent!!!!!!!!!!
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
underwhelming*
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He should walk a lot more than Sanchez. And a Sanchez that walks more is a pretty darn good player.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 26, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
The big question is, will he hit .290-.300?
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Obviously we can’t know, but his numbers, age and most scouting reports certainly make him out to look like that is within his grasp.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Because he thought it a year ago and doesn’t want to clog up his mind rethinking the issue.
by Roger on Jan 26, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
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Scouts don't change their mind based on a guys AFL league performance
That’s silly
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There was a half season of A- ball before that however. On top of which, there were some scouts who really liked his bat. Yes it’s low upside. But the contact skills and hit tool are being underrated I think. In over 300 PA in A ball, Panik not only had more BB than K, he came close to having more XBH than Ks.
Those are both big indicators of carrying skills.
No. But he doesn’t much like changing his mind on things. Although he did on Belt rather quickly, I have to say.
Belt changed his swing tho.
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Panik hasn’t faced any hard competition. Law is perfectly within reason to maintain his draft opinion. I have warmed up to Panik only because scouts have said he can stick at shortstop, but certainly not because of his hitting. He was already advanced in college and he performed like anyone would expect him to.
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Here's KLaw's write up on Panik and some comments on the Giants as a whole
I do not like the Joe Panik pick. He put up good numbers (.398/.509/.642) in college, but when it comes to draft prospects, stats usually don’t matter as much as tools. He supposedly has a weak arm, may need to move to 2B, and doesn’t have much power. And if you listen to most scouts, the Giants made a major reach and probably could have selected him with the 49th pick in the supplemental round. I don’t like criticizing the Giants when it comes to the draft because they’ve been pretty freakin’ successful in that department recently, but Panik is the type of low upside, limited power hitter the Giants always seem to go for. If you can’t read Law’s report, he calls Panik a likely utility infielder. Baseball America called the pick the “first truly off-the-board pick of the night” and compare him to Freddy Sanchez. Not really what I’d like from my first round pick.
My main issue with the Giants is that it seems like they doubt their ability to develop raw hitters, so they take safe players like Panik instead of somewhat risky players with more star potential. And then they decide to sign guys like Aaron Rowand and Aubrey Huff to supply the power in the lineup. That’s worked pretty well. Not. You may point to guys like Buster Posey, Pablo Sandoval and Brandon Belt as hitters that have come through the Giants’ minor league system and had success. I’d argue that Posey didn’t need much development, Sandoval was signed on the international market, and Belt may be the exception to rule, assuming he pans out like we all think he will. Gary Brown (a pick I hated, so maybe you can call me an idiot in a year or so) is tearing up the minors right now, but his absolute ceiling is an All-Star leadoff man. I don’t mean that to sound like a bad thing, but the Giants don’t lack scrappy, high average hitters with speed as much as they do true middle of the order hitters. Maybe I’m being unreasonable; a good player is a good player. I suspect the Giants did prefer HS pitchers like Robert Stephenson and Joe Ross, who went slightly before the Giants picked. But with guys like Dillon Howard, Daniel Norris, and even someone like Travis Harrison on the board, Panik was still an overdraft. Maybe it has to do with my hatred of how the Giants deal with the draft and free agency. I’ve said it before: imagine Aaron Rowand not signing with the Giants, and the team using that $12 million every year on the draft. It’s how it should be. The Giants played it too safe in my opinion and didn’t get the best player on the board.
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Which part of that is Law’s actual writeup? Because the “supposedly” in the third sentence certainly implies a POV of someone who hadn’t seen him play at that point.
Yah I might've fucked that up
I thought it was a quote by Law but it might all be a write up of KLaw’s opinion. Give me a second and let me see if I can find Klaw’s actual quotes
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In essence I agree with his basic assumption: using first round picks on low upside polished bats is somewhat of a half-assed philosophy. And in this case the signability certainly seemed to factor in, and I think they really wanted to take one of the three HS pitchers who went off the board right in front of them. And I don’t think they evaluate hitters all that well.
So all the snark is justified. But I do think his hit tool is being undersold, and he does have some solid fans among the scouting community.
Here we go
"Panik is one of a handful of overachieving college middle infielders in this draft along with Kolten Wong, Ryan Wright, and Brad Miller, and Panik’s track record of performance rivals them all. He controls the zone well with good hand-eye coordination but nearly bars his lead arm and his swing is long for a guy with a history of high contact rates. He’s an average runner whose feet work well enough for him to play anywhere in the infield, but a fringy arm limits him to second base, and he’ll have to hit for average to profile there with below-average power. I think Panik is ultimately a good utility player, but he might just get on base enough to make himself an everyday player at second."
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panik at 29 makes sense
because he signed quickly and i think it was below slot value if not below it was very close. plus with the outstanding pic of susac at 86 (most people had him as a 1st rounder) more than makes up for the upside lost on a safeer pick like panik…plus if crick shakes off the injury bug he will be another high upside pick…now if we missed out on susac at 86 or other similar players high upside guys the panik signing would be way worse.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
It’s quite true that the Panik pick set them up for a whole bunch of way overslot picks that came after that. I don’t know if that’s what the strategy was but it did work out well.
I mostly just really liked Mahtook
Who went like a pick or two later.
But ya I really liked a lot of the Giants later picks so if picking Panik was for signability reasons to obtain some of those guys, i’m cool with it.
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And if his upside is a major league baseball player, either as a starter
or super utility guy, then I’m fine with that, too.
He does not think Panik will be a starter or have that value
Last clause notwithstanding, he’s made this very clear in his tweets and writing.
So basically Law admits to ripping Panik because he hates the way the Giants sign free agents? That makes a ton of sense.
See my comment
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I like Keith Law and I'm sure he sounds somewhat similar when he doesn't like any type of pick...
and while I can’t determine which is Keith Law’s opinion or 8IW’s opinion, if I’m reading it correctly, it reads like Keith Law has never seen him play prior to the draft and is basing his opinion solely on what his scout buddies/contacts tell him.
… but when it comes to draft prospects, stats usually don’t matter as much as tools. He supposedly has a weak arm, may need to move to 2B, and doesn’t have much power. And if you listen to most scouts, the Giants made a major reach and probably could have selected him with the 49th pick in the supplemental round.
This would explain why he’s hesitant/resistant to amend his analysis post-draft. He doesn’t want to go against his buddies/contacts.
This quote is all sorts of fail
You may point to guys like Buster Posey, Pablo Sandoval and Brandon Belt as hitters that have come through the Giants’ minor league system and had success. I’d argue that Posey didn’t need much development, Sandoval was signed on the international market, and Belt may be the exception to rule, assuming he pans out like we all think he will. Gary Brown (a pick I hated, so maybe you can call me an idiot in a year or so) is tearing up the minors right now, but his absolute ceiling is an All-Star leadoff man.
Don’t look over there!
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He could be really, really good and he’s doing really well right now but he’s not going to be good because……I said so
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, but that wasn’t written by Keith Law, so it’s not really relevant if we’re discussing his opinion.
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Not for me
I just LOL at the quote.
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Sandoval can’t be cited as an example of success in drafting; he wasn’t drafted, and he was basically a non-prospect until he started hitting everything in 2008.
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I don’t really think that’s true. There were plenty of signs before that the Pablo was a very good prospect.
I'll defer to you here
That was a dark time in Giants history, and my memory is somewhat dim. Was there any reason he started hitting, like there was with Belt?
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On the age relative to league scale his year’s in the AZL and NWL were both very good (and his DSL season at 16 was fantastic). He just really hit an iceburg in his first full season in the Sally and put up one horrid year that caused people to forget about him. And at the same time he moved to 1B from 3B from C so he’d been pushed all the way down the defensive scale at the same time he was having by far his worst year (and he had yet to develop any power). The next year at the Cal he returned to C and his bat starting coming back alive and showing his first flash of power. the next year he was in the majors.
So his one really bad year at 19 masked a lot of other good ones and the position switching didn’t do him any favors either on the field or in people’s perceptions.
He’s being cited as an example of hitter development rather than drafting, no?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's telling that this says actually nothing about what he actually thinks of the players.
Honestly, the Giants pulled a bit of a coup here. Panik was considered a reach pick, so he was probably cheaper to sign than most first rounders, and Crick was still on the board when they came back in the second round, and since he was no longer a first rounder he was also cheaper to sign.
The order in which they were drafted is only nominally relevant, given that they got both players.
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FWIW, most of the BA editorial staff had Brown listed above Wheeler in their personal top 50s.
Callis has Brown 29 and Wheeler 45. Cooper has Brown 39 and Wheeler 41. Manual has Brown 25 and Wheeler 40. Only Lingo has Wheeler first, and even then its Wheeler 21 and Brown 26, so Gary’s still getting a very good vote of confidence.
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LOL Peguero at 98.
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Upside potential: A multi-tooled outfielder who does everything well, an electric talent people will enjoy watching at the big league level.
time to trade him
his value has never been higher.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Weird
I swear it was MLB that had Zack at 28 and Brown at 29 earlier today.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
HAHAHA, you actually think that the giants will act reasonably when promoting prospects!!! LOL.
Also, Pagan will be relegated to the corners b/c Melky looks more like a true CF.
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yeah, but who is going to bat leadoff?
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
In any other city, "Belted to right field" would mean a hard hit ball into right field
in SF, it means a prospect has been asked to play a position they are not very comfortable with so the team can play some old dude at his primary position.
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions
AA should tell the tale one way or the other.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 1:07 PM PST reply actions
The first step is admitting we have a prospect.
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Supposedly Tidrow told Sabean there was more pitching in the system so that Wheeler wouldn’t have been a big a blow.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
or that
Wheeler is not going to be that good.
Ala Tim Alderson.
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Sabean was very careful: he said the organization had told him it was confident it could withstand the loss of Wheeler.
Different class of pitcher, there.
Different class of pitcher for sure. This one is going to hurt. Sabean did drop a little “Wheeler may have a future in the pen” that was strange. While he might not be MadBum or Cain, he’s going to be good. Maybe very good.
It may or it may not. Wheeler’s still far from a finished project. I still think it made sense at the time.
You gotta go for it, I think it made a lot of sense at the time. I was insanely psyched to get Beltan. What a total bummer of a month that followed.
If he wouldn’t have gotten injured in his first two weeks he was (and of course he was injured) it might have worked
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Beating Philly, getting Beltran, on a roll and then… The Reds. Renteria gets a walk off. Beltran injures his hand. Mano, it got ugly so fast.
I’ve always loved Belran, even on the down side it was fun. I’m really glad he got the chance to come back and rake. The sweep of Colorado and the Panda cycle game was too little too late but it was fun.
Lost in the shuffle is the fact Timmy didn’t come up big in several games for us when we really really needed him.
Beltran and Pablo were carrying that team on their backs for awhile. Take Beltran out of that equation, and that’s a far, far, crappier 2011 team during the last two months
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
No guts, no glory. I do like Sabean’s almost OCD-like obsession for signing players late in the season for any sort of pennant run
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think anybody would claim that. My main issue (which I thought was a bit of a panic move) wasn’t necessarily the trade per se but Bochy’s constant belief that if he kept on putting him out there, he’ll remember how to catch and hit balls no matter how obvious it was that he couldn’t. I just like the fact that he’s not afraid of trying
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely a different class of pitcher. Alderson performed significantly better than Wheeler in San Jose at a younger age.
Okay, I’m mostly kidding. Clearly Wheeler has much better stuff than Alderson ever did. That said, I think people are assuming a lot about Wheeler’s development. He has a long way to go. Unless you believe his 27 innings at St. Lucie were a sign of some light coming on instead of SSS in effect, he has little idea how to control that great stuff. Not to mention before he was traded even people here were constantly suggesting his motion was close to the poster child for arm trouble.
I wish he was still in our system too but I feel like people are definitely romanticizing him now that he’s gone.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 26, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I tend to agree
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I think You're Underestimating Wheeler's SJ season
Yeah the FIP and ERA are higher than Alderson’s, but Wheeler really improved upon his season in Augusta (better k/bb ratios in SJ from Augusta) and his K/9 still remained high. Alderson on the other hand’s dominance rates (K/9) really tumbled from his first professional season in SJ to his split campaign in SJ and Connecticut. There was a lot of worry that Alderson’s trajectory was going downhill by the time they traded him for Sanchez, while everyone felt like Wheeler was getting better by the time they traded him for Beltran.
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Alderson and Wheeler were completely different pitchers. Furthermore, Wheeler’s K’s and command improved from Augusta to SJ. Alderson’s K/9 went down a lot. Trading Alderson to me was very palatable, especially since Bumgarner was the better prospect anyways at the time, while trading Wheeler was not (since Wheeler was obviously better than any pitcher in the Giants system).
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You mean when we trade Brown to Toronto?
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The set of expectations for Brown is exotic and mysterious
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cmon
this is funny
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bork bork mmmmmm yeah bork
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by Giant Voodoo on Jan 26, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
it would take more than a prospect to pry Yuni form KC
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Extra Innings question
Does anybody subscribe to Extra Innings? I’m trying to figure out how the blackout thing works. In Visalia, I don’t have a regional sports network and I guess this makes me out-of-market. Here’s from the website:
If you live in a ZIP code that is within a Major League Baseball team’s territory, that team’s games will be blacked out on MLB EXTRA INNINGS® but will generally be available on your local regional sports network, cable network, or over-the-air affiliate station. Blackouts protect the local rights holders who arrange separate distribution agreements for their exclusive territories.
In addition, because of the national exclusivity of both ESPN and FOX, there are no games available for distribution via this package on Saturday during the day or Sunday at night.
So it sounds like the games wouldn’t be blacked out for me, right?
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I misspoke…not sure what I was thinking. My RSN is dodgers/angels/kings/lakers, etc.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 26, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
When I had mlb.tv in San Luis Obipso in 2007, I could watch Giants games because it was a Dodgers area.
I’d imagine the same would apply to you.
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and no blackouts? I thought I read if you were out-of-region then it’s blacked out. which doesn’t make sense to me, really…
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
They blacked out the games against the Dodgers (which makes sense since they were on local TV) and anything Saturday afternoon (because of FOX). Otherwise, no blackouts.
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HA
A-holes. Just checked and MLB.TV thinks I’m in both SF & LA blackout areas. Looks like extra innings would work, though.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 26, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Worth the dough
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I’d say it’s an older woman, but that wouldn’t stop you pervs.
Unless she’s going to fill the humidifier and find the vapo-rub she can gtfo.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Unless she’s going to fill the humidifier and find the vapo-rub
Euphemisms.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Grant dug it up.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ha
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
Brandon is gone I am going to do so much illegal shit.. Starting with red velvet cupcakes… Hundreds of them- free at last, free at last!
17 minutes ago
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
Next I am not putting on any clothes that aren’t spandex workout clothes.. And I WILL NOT wear makeup.
3 minutes ago
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
I will cook strange foods every night.. I will eat them on the sofa while I watch horrible chick movies-
2 minutes ago
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
The house will remain clean, heaters on and lights all the way off when I leave a room… #livingthedream
1 minute ago
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 26, 2012 1:31 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Oh my goodness. Am I crazy or is this 89.88% accurate to all male-female cohabitating relationships?
We have a saying around here
“A wise man notices that I cleaned [whatever] the wiser man keeps it clean.”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It's reverse for me
My wife dictates everything.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I’m the one who goes around turning off lights and I never wear makeup. the red velvet cupcakes thing I do endorse.
2012 is going to be awesome!
yeah, I turn off the lights, turn down the heat, nobody wears make-up, or watches chick-flicks.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That's an awful movie
the annoyness of Julia Roberts and Cameron Diaz are amplified by the both of them being in the same movie.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I prefer the heat down, leave the lights on for the most part (because I intend to go back in the room at some point)…
happy wife happy life
FACT
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
dont we all?
i will just do it in silence
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Since my reflex to tears is to feel guilty and like I should do something...
people crying around my deathbed would just make me die feeling like I failed.
once you stop caring
you will be free of all guilt
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
____
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
INCORRECT
Unhappy wife = unhappy life. the reverse is not necessarily true.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Right, because happy wife could very well equal = unhappy everybody else (husband, kids, dogs, cats)
good point
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
how i read the 2nd tweet
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
Next I am not putting on any clothesthat aren’t spandex workout clothes.. And I WILL NOT wear makeup.
3 minutes ago
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 26, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
She's going all out now
Mrs_McCarthy32 Amanda McCarthy
I want to be the girl in a rap video.. Any rappers looking for a down ass bitch.. Holllaaaaa
1 minute ago
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
SHE SERIOUS
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Heh
keithlaw @keithlaw
It has 80 comedy potential. Should be GIFtacular. RT @BoomBriggs: @keithlaw Be honest, how excited are you for Miguel Cabrera at 3rd base?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Leyland said at the Fielder press conference today that Cabrera was going to play 3rd
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
was leyland smoking?
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
That’s like asking “was Leyland breathing”
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i wonder if he just prefers hanging out in the smoking section so he can get the more potent second hand smoke faster
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said, they’re not going to go through with it. Who you going to believe, the Tigers manager or some dude on the Internet?
Well, one of my favorite memories of Leyland was him managing an All-Star game and not knowing which of his players was up to bat. It was during one of those interview portions during the game and he was talking about the wrong guy. So, if there’s a manager who doesn’t know what position his players will actually be playing, my money is on him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
14 games since 2007 at 3B
he seems overly qualified to me
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Went in for 90K mile service and grinding noise
Just got a call they are recommending :
- Valve gasket replacement for 800 bucks
- Power steering pump for ~800 bucks
- Timing Belt / Drive Belt full replacement for 1200 (Timing Belt is due at 100K, but of course they are recommending it early).
- Front Shocks (didn’t even bother asking quote)
And they couldn’t duplicate the grind, so of course the one thing I really wanted to get fixed, they are not recommending.
Car is worth about 7000 bucks (2004 WRX, 87,000 miles on it). I"m thinking just skipping everything, drive another year, and replace the car instead of dumping 3000 bucks into it so I can drive it for 2-3 more years and eat another 3K of depreciation.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Is this dealer?
quotes seems really high.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yeah dealer
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You should go to an independent shop
It would a lot cheaper (1/3 to 1/2)
No warranty issues anyways.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
dealer always hammers you
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
They generally do a much better job in my experience.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
depends on the independent shop
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Not in my experience with Subaru.
Shiiiiiiiiiitty.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Thinking of leasing since I only drive less than 10K / year now
work is 5 miles from home
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
We just bought one 7 months ago =/ (wife's driving a new Santa Fe)
having 2 down payments really would suck ass.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
yeah that's the advantage of having two cars
I’ve put a total of…2300 miles into my Subaru since 9/1/11. ANytime we go out on weekend, we take her car (more room for kid).
So I figure I"ll never go over the 12K / yr limit
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The new Kia Optimas are supposed to be really good
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
if its good enough for jeff bridges its good enough for me
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I crave that 10-year/100,000 mile warranty
and the above average fuel economy. As jponry noted maybe a year ago, they’re the Moneyball of cars.
doesn’t sound as fun as a WRX though.
zzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooooooooooom!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
we already got a 10 yr / 100K warranty car, my wife's Santa Fe
I don’t want another hyundai :x and yes, WRX is zzzzoooooooooooooommmmmm fun!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
it’s a power train warranty. Most cars don’t have issues by 100K these days.
http://www.autobytel.com/car-ownership/maintenance-repair/kia-warranty-105417/
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Get a new car
IMO, I think leases are a bad idea, but ymmv.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
shocks go fast on the WRX
do a google search on the valve deal we had a head gasket problem with my subie, we found out it was a common problem and the Mr “yelled” at them for making and selling crappy cars so they took a hunk off the price.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
so I've noticed :x
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I drive a 2002 Impreza Outback Sport the Mr. has an ’08? WRX
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
No I had bad experience with SC
This is Capitol
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Can i borrow your friend’s husband.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
yarr!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Interesting...
I have a 90,000 mile service coming up. I’d like to see if those suggestions they gave you were standard dealer gouging.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Sell it and buy another used car for 7K or less? If you’re only going 5 miles to and from work, it’s not like you have to have an expensive, uber-reliable vehicle.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 26, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Go to Agnew Autocare. Don is awesome and cheap.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I went to Don before!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
there are some really suspect new reviews on Yelp for Don
I think he refused to pay their blackmail price or something. i just can’t believe he all of a sudden become shady.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Just went to him the other day for a smog certification (one of the complaints on Yelp)
Same old Don. A few friends go there too with zero complaints.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
louder speakers to drown out the grinding noise
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 26, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
what kind of driving are you doing
that all this goes wrong at 90k miles
jesus
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Jan 26, 2012 3:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Asian driver.
/gets knocked out by Natto
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
"Ask GiantPain about my penis" - Billy Beane
Mayor of Smug.
lol, i've had my car since 2005, and i've driven about 145,000 miles
LUCKILY, no problems
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
This is why I took so long to upgrade from my late-model pickup truck.
Gas milage was a bitch, but I got got it all back in maintenance + interest in no headaches.
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ZiPS right now projects Bryce Harper to put up an OPS+ of 94
That’s 6th best of the reviewed hitters on the Nationals. And he’s 19.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
He could be a free agent at, what, 25? 26?
If he’s as good as he’s supposed to be, dude could get 300 million.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
that would be crazy
i feel terrible about giving lincecum 20 million…try giving harper 30 million yuck.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
At 19, Delmon Young had a .968 OPS at AA.
Harper’s was .724
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
delmon played about 45 more games
give harper some more time and he will get that OPS up.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Delmon also had much worse plate discipline
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
That too
Completely overlooked that.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I wonder whether there will ever be a better free agent than Alex Rodriguez in 2000. Kinda doubt it.
25 year old bryce harper is poised to be that guy.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Harper’s got a bit of a Todd Maranivich thing going with him— extremely gifted, started at a really young age, over praised from an early age, and has al the signs of a major dick. If he doesn’t find himself caught twitting pictures of his junk, knocking up a reality star, or getting caught with roids, I wouldn’t be surprised
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Nah
A-Rod was also an excellent defensive SS.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
It would take some doing. 25 year old gold glove SS who’d just put up 1.000+ OPS in a park that crushes right handed power hitting? That’s not just falling off the truck.
Better, maybe, but not a bigger one.
Arod wasn’t just super good and super young, he also happened to come along right as payrolls were growing explosively. I don’t think we’ll ever see a contract that’s quite as game-changing/shocking as his was.
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from the Yankees
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 26, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t want. He’s the anti-Matt Cain. His DB Rate is off the charts
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Obama is the anti-McCain!
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Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
And John McClain is the anti Hans Grouber
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
only thing I like about that whole Beltran fiasco...
is that Gary Brown is still with us
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
ever the optimist
if we never got beltran we would have brown and wheeler and possibly an even higher draft pick in the upcoming draft…
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
Giants are awful for trying to win. Should have sucked for Luck.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
maybe
you have to factor in risk and reward…im sure that going to the playoffs to defend the WS title was importnat to them, but then why not acquire a catcher? or how about a SS? there are areas that needed to be improved sooner and the ginats didnt act…they limped along for as long as possible, then they made a move that was too little too late.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
and overpaid. you dont trade your #1 or #2 prospect for a rental…ever. you either sign the guy longer or you dont do it…its just that simple…they traded way 6 years of a mid rotation starter for 2 months of an aged slugger….bad business…hindsight helps, but so does foresight…getting to the playoffs blinded them.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Flags fly forever.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yes, that’s nice, but all I really care about is if my time watching the team going forward will be worth it.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
My point is that
it’s not an overpay because the Giants were up 4 games on the Dbacks and coming off of winning 2 out of 3 at Philly when the trade was made.
Had the Giants made the playoffs, they would have been serious WS contenders.
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I wonder what the reaction would have been if the Giants didn’t trade for anybody (except Cabrera) and just sat pat, saying they didn’t want to give up anybody or give away a rental.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
personally if sabean
said hey we are not going to mortgage our future to add a guy we cant resign i think most people would have been ok…we had a lot of injuries and you cant win the WS every year.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
great minds
read each other…its me ms. cleo call me now
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
No, I don’t think so. It’s basically a white flag (sorry, guys, we’re throwing in the towel). The FO thought the fans deserved a chance for the Giants to make the playoffs and that’s what they did. No guts, no glory, and sitting around waiting for prospects to come up instead is not going to excite the general fan base
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
But the Orlando Cabrera deal was inexcusable, indefensible, and unforgivable.
by Every6thDay on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The trade was meh….his constant playing despite his obvious suckitude, however, was inexcusable.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
This
definitely felt they could’ve gotten more out of playing Crawford than having Cabrera start. Even having Fontenot playing the position over Cabrera would’ve been ideal
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Some people on this site still defend it.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
I don't know if you include me in that (probably)
but my argument is that it’s a meh trade.
I mean, does anyone really remember the Guillen trade now or who the Giants gave up? Here yes, but most of the fans, probably not.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I remember the Guillen trade.
But only because it resulted in Guillen actually play, the biggest downside of all.
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Wow.
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by speckops on Jan 26, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Meh would imply that it wasn’t completely terrible or there was some small benefit. There was none in the Cabrera trade… or the Guillen trade, for that matter.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
I said about the Guillen trade
it’s a lottery ticket.
There was an equal chance for Cabrera/Guillen to do some good for the Giants as there was for the prospects traded to contribute to the MLB team at some point in their career.
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Just as a "where are they now"
The trade was for a PTBNL, which turned out to be Kevin Pucetas. He had an ERA of 5 and a K/9 of under 6 at AAA Omaha in 2011… with about half his innings as a reliever.
Poor Kevin.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
There was a mildly decent explanation given by the FO that had some sense to it but (Tejada injured, Crawford not ready, Fontenot not playing well, Caberera just knows how to win) but……..
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
well, if you squinted real hard it was mildly decent
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
you dont trade your #1 or #2 prospect for a rental
This is a hard and fast rule somehow? I can certainly name other teams that have done it, done it recently, and have no complaints about it.
The Brewers come to mind first
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
its only a rule
if you dont take a myopic approach to the game.
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think you have to think through each situation individually. The fact is, most prospects, even good ones, end up having more value as trade chips than they will as players.
Rules limit you’re ability to think critically through a specific situation. What you need to have is critical player evaluation skills. For years the Braves did this better than anybody, quickly figuring out who they needed to keep and who they could afford to let go. If you can make that call right a significant enough portion of the time you’ll do ok.
But prospects shouldn’t be horded. I can think of teams that have gotten themselves into trouble recently because they couldn’t bear to part with their prospects, too, when they were high value. Bavasi had trouble with that, for one.
1) because there was no one at SS or C worth trading for. Hernandez was the closest and the Reds was asking for a lot.
2) Beltran was the best offensive player available at the deadline. Giants needed offense desperately.
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there were others
reyes was available…for a steeper price no doubt, but he was available.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
apparently he wasn't
also he was coming off of a leg injury and was awful in the second half because of it.
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They made the mistake of keeping the band (of misfits) together after the WS, but many teams are guilty of that. And, the Giants are probably more marketing-driven than most of their peers (Rowand & Zito, hooray!) so it just made sense (for them) to do that, even to the exclusion of their glaring needs. Then they got hit with catastrophic injuries and they fielded a corpse (Aubrey Huff) for most of the season because they had no better choice(s) — no better option than a corpse! Only in San Francisco!
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well, after all, it was kind of a fluke
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True.
Which is why they should’ve been proactive and, more importantly, creative during the off-season to upgrade the team going into 2011. Knowing what we know about the FO, the immediate signing of Tejada wasn’t completely indefensible, it just lacked creativity and was really kind of lazy. And then not addressing the backup catching situation was also another mistake. It looks even worse in hindsight, of course.
they paid over 6 million for tejada
yet they didnt have the resources to add a competent C or 2B when injuries occurred…they waited and depended on the wrong people for way too long…i mean seriously eli whiteside and chris stewart they combine for slightly above average defense and i think matt cain has a better bat and is more of an offensive presence.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
1) They had Fontenot as a backup 2B. Except he got hurt as well
2) Which team has a backup catcher that is significantly better than Whiteside/Stewart.
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I bet anyone who answers the second question is going to get hung up in semantics about “significantly” because of the lack of playing time.
Can’t fool me on this one!
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Nope, I just don’t think that backup catching is a priority for most teams.
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it should be if your best offensive player is catcher.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
that makes no sense
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if your best player is a catcher or whatever
then you need to have more insurance for him if he goes down…that may come in the form of a current player on the roster or in the minors or being able to set aside money to acquire a better than replacement level player. that is how i would look at it…you need to have a competent replacement available to stop the bleeding.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
No
if you have an awesome player at a particular position, you take the resources and try and improve elsewhere.
Angels and Tigers are not looking around for backup 1B right now.
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thats cause they already have two back up 1B...
i see your point…im not saying that the giants should get brian mccann to back up poesy..im saying that when the best offensive player you have is injured (especially for the season) you go out and spend the money to replace him or make a trade to replace him. if pablo sandoval gets hurt for the rest of the season in May, i would hope they wouldnt shift fontenot there for 100+ games. and if they did do that i wouldnt hope they would add a RF to make up for that loss.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
either spend the money to improve at the area of need or just pack it in
dont trade gary brown for 2 months of any ex-allstar just because panda goes down,
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
You totally lost me
The Beltran trade has more to do with fixing the offense rather than replacing Buster.
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dont you see
that to fix the offense was only becessary because buster was absent?
they add a RF to make up for production lost by buster but still have whiteside and stewart sucking at C…forcing nate (who was one of our better player) to ride the bench.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Nate played LF!!!
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dude you missed the point
if you have a Catcher hitting .300 and he gets injured and you replace him with two catchers who hit a combined .200 then you go and add a RF who hits .300 moving your current RF who hits .270 to LF and your original LF who hits .250 to the bench you still lose .050…playing the shuffling game almost never works.
had they just gone out and got ramon hernandez right away they would have needed to drastically add beltran at his inflated price.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Since every team has some sort of budget constraints and has to cute a corner here or cut a corner there. Unfortunately, one of the corner’s cut was backup catcher and my guess is they’re not the only team to have thought that way. Having Posey get clobbered by a runner at the plate probably wasn’t in there list of things to consider
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Okay!
TOR – Jose Molina – .757 OPS
BOS – Jason Varitek – .723 OPS (if you want to call Salty the backup, which he wasn’t, his was at .737)
NYY – Cervelli – .719
TB – John Jaso – .651
DET – They had Alex Avila and Victor Martinez.
CWS – Tyler Flowers – .719
KC – Brayan Pena was only somewhat better, with a .625 OPS. But Salvador Perez had a .834 OPS!
CIN – Ramon Hernandez and Ryan Hanigan were both better
MIL – George Kottaras – .771 OPS
AZ – Henry Blanco – .870 OPS
STL – Gerald Laird – .660 OPS
FLA – Brett Hayes – .706 OPS
ATL – David Ross – .761 OPS
LAD – Navarro wasn’t good, but they did have AJ Ellis. .769 OPS!
For comparison’s sake, Whiteside and Stewart’s OPSes were .574 and .592, respectively.
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i mean come on that guy is awful land he is almost 100 points higher than our scrubs.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Whites had a .696 OPS in 2010.
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after a super sucky year last year
The issue is whether the Giants should have found a better backup catcher to start the season. Whiteside was a decent backup based upon his numbers in 2010.
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the answer is no
its too late now…no need to worry about last years problems this year…posey is back and snachez looks like the offensive catcher we desperately needed last year…why pay for it now? wait until he gets hurt again to pay for a replacement.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Also a number of the catchers you listed had career years
Blanco is a career .662 OPS guy and had a .571 OPS in 2010
Brett Hayes: .655 OPS in 2010
AJ Ellis.: .687 in 2010
Tyler Flowers is a prospect
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You are seriously basing your evaluation of Eli Whiteside entirely on 2010
This is my own fault. I should have known better.
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Okay
who should the Giants have picked up before the 2011 season?
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how about
Bengie Molina? knows the pitching staff extremely well, has some pop, fan favorite…etc..its not brain surgery. if i had more time i could probably put togther a list.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
that would have a really funny McC post
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
i agree
but he would still have been better than whiteside and stewart offensively.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Wait...you're serious about this?
Bengie hit .599 OPS as a Ranger
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dude...as bad as milona and his .599 OPS is
Whiteside and Stewart’s OPSes were .574 and .592
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
we’re talking about 2010 stats as in Bengie played for no one in 2011.
Also, you were able to project those stat lines before the season started in 2011?
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no i do not have a crystal ball
i can predict nothing…but how many times does a 29 year old career minor league catcher with about 50 career MLB AB’s produce at the MLB level? the answer is almost never.
would bengie have been remarkably better than whiteside or stewart i dont know…but i do know that there was probably no worse catching tandum in the last decade than the 2011 giants.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Who the heck are you talking about?
Whiteside had:
134 PAs in 2009 and an OPS of .607
140 PAs in 2010 and an OPS of .696
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CalBear
you have only presented one player (henry blanco) who had a lower OPS and that was in 2010.
lets just accept it…there are about 15 teams with better back up catchers…no two ways about it.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Hayes, Ellis,
Cervelli: Prospect and .694 OPS in 2010.
Avila: Prospect and .656 OPS in 2010. VMart is not a catcher at this point.
Perez: Propsect
Kottaras: .701 OPS in 2010
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cervelli would have been perfect...
he is an older prospect he is blocked at all levels because the yankees have a ton of catching prospects…etc..he would have been cheap too.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Except
none of the other catching prospects are above AA at this point.
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austine romine
played in the MLB briefly last season…your a better fact checker than that.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
So did Hector Sanchez
that doesn’t mean he’s above AA.
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do i really need to tell you that he also played in AA and AAA
or can you just accept the fact that cervelli was not an integral part of the Yankees playoff run and that he probably could have been acquired for cheap? why is this even an argument…also at the time the Yankees had jesus montero so they at one point had martin, posada, montero, cervelli, and gustavo molina…and romine….
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Stewart out up a fWAR of .9 last year in 183 AB
They claim Panda is 3rd catcher (gag)
- of Giants top 10 prospects are C.
I would have loved Doumit for 3 mil, but investing much in a backup C just seems mostly wasteful at marginal upgrade.
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That is supposed to say 3 of top 10
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
dont forget doumit can play OF
so at 3 million he isnt too bad…
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
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i am slightly serious...
just saying that as a backup catcher you could do worse than doumit…who when not injured can be effective.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Dude is an awful defensive C and an even worse OF
Single season UZR are pointless but the dude was -42.5 UZR/150 in 146 innings last year
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Career 270/330/440 hitter
When Buster, our cleanup hitter rests, or plays 1b for Belt\Huff, having a good bat behind the plate I think is a good fit.
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...
just what we need…more 1Bs.
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Misread but I highly doubt that he will be catching in Minnesota.
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Mauer isn't going to catch as much anymore
Injuries and his power outage last year… They’re going to 3 way dance C, 1b with M&M+ Doumit, maybe DH a M boy.
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by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
anyone who knows anything about baseball knows that you dont pay ryan doumit to play defense
he is bat only…the only reason i like him as a back up is because he can pinch hit off the bench and he can play catcher if necessary…there is a reson he gets payed half of what miguel tejada made last season.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Per Fangraphs, Stewart (0.9) & Whiteside (0.1) were worth 1 WAR in 419 combined PA. I guess you’d have to start from there for a comparison.
it would be difficult to calculate because of the limited playing time of other backups,
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Reds, Rockies, Nationals, Rangers, maybe Cardinals.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
With very few exceptions, teams don’t have good backup catchers. If they were good, they wouldn’t be backups. There were much larger problems than the backup catcher on that team.
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I’m pretty sure, after years of plug n’ play, that they’ve turned the corner and are waiting until these bad contracts are off the payroll, in the meantime committing to player development (all Wheeler’s aside).
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I take the opposite stance. We’ll see who’s “right” (more like guessed correctly) in the end (TWSS).
yeah, I’m not going to attack anyone here for their preferred strategy. Just let things play out on the field and see where the cards fall.
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did they even win 90? that shit should never happen.
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I truly miss Zach Wheeler
But if you had to give up him or Brown, then I think the Giants made the right choice. TINSTAAP, after all.
Of course, the fallacy there is that they had to give up either of them. The schizophrenic Giants management situation just cost us a top prospect by trading for a FA they later would have no intention of re-signing. They should rightly be pilloried and possibly defenestrated for this.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jan 26, 2012 1:52 PM PST reply actions
Nope
The re-signing part is totally irrelevant. Wheeler was the cost for having 2 months of Beltran and a potential WS run.
If Beltran had more years left on his contract, it would have cost a lot more than Wheeler.
Look at what Phillies gave up for Pence.
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I hear this argument
and if people were automatons who always followed logic without emotion it would be true. But they’re not. There is a real chance that a player might be more comfortable taking money from a place he’s already played and succeeded, and so there’s at least some value to getting an impending FA at a trade deadline, hoping he’ll re-sign with you because he loves it there.
Whether that value is worth Zach Wheeler, I’m very skeptical. So yeah, it was a bad deal from that perspective too.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jan 26, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Point one has nothing to do with the price of getting Beltran. That’s more about what happens after the fact. You can’t control any of that. Teixiera loved playing for the Angels but then left for more money with the Yanks.
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It might, though. I’m certainly not arguing that whatever impact it had on the price of getting Beltran was enough to justify giving up Wheeler. But if spending time with a team is likely to influence a player’s decision, such that he might be comfortable taking a slightly lesser deal from that organization, or choosing that organization’s offer over other, relatively equal offers, there is some value to that.
It’s small value, but it’s not zero. At least not always.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jan 26, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
I get what you are saying. It is basically what happened with Sanchez. I would imagine that there was some of that with acquiring Beltran.
The Neukom thing changed everything though.
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PENCE
i would have given up brown and wheeler for pence…if we resigned him. he plays hard, stays out of trouble, is easily marketable and actually young and good.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Phillies
gave up more than Brown and Wheeler.
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maybe...
it depends on how domingo santana pans out…he could be a francisco peguero type.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
We don't even get to Santana
Jarred Cosart > Wheeler
Jonathan Singleton > Brown
That’s not even talking about Reid and Santana
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thats just a matter of opinion
i think brown is better than singleton. but i do think cosart and wheeler are very close…singleton and cosart are also further away than wheeler or even brown for that matter (since i see him maybe skipping AA)
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He sells a lot of tickets with the alien insect demographic.
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True
2 things I look at also are
1. Nuekom getting tossed shortly after the Giants didn’t make a run
2. Beltran promptly getting hurt
I think 1 or both really added to re-sign chances. Well + the obvious $$$ thing.
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Except bench a struggling, out of shape, veteran for a highly touted prospect
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It was Kind of a Lose-Lose, whether he signed or not
Just because he’s so injury prone. Don’t sign him, and the Giants wasted their prospect on a two month player. Sign him to multiple years, and you’re investing in a guy who hasn’t been consistently healthy in the past five years. Seriously, he makes Freddy Sanchez look like Cal Ripken in comparison.
Either way, I understand the deal (trying to make another WS run), and I can live with just having Brown rather than both he and Wheeler. That being said, I just wish that the person we lost Wheeler for and walked on us wasn’t Carlos Beltran.
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Someone find me the last white player to steal over 40 bags in a season. Off the top of my head I would guess Canseco. Also, how he hell did Canseco steal 40 that year?
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brett gardner
stole 49 last season
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we didnt ask for a native american
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Ah Gardner and Ellsbury. Shows just how much I ignore the AL, and AL east especially.
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Wheeler vs Brown
Prefer Brown. Giants at least have a prayer knowing what they are doing with the pitching.
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So much less
Like never now, when it used to be must see.
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less… Since Its it was csn east coast complete with dumbass talking heads. I swear all I can hear them say is “how about that” or “isn’t that something”!
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Yeah are they just now losing viewers?
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They are probably striving to become more dynamic and appeal to a broader base of demographics all while going green and yet still leveraging that edginess that allowed them to knock it out of the park in the 90s.
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the A’s have a radio station?
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Love the KALX. My friend does a show 9 to noon on Sundays (most of ’em anyway).
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Oooh! I used to work there. What is her DJ name?
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Cool! I will have to tune in then. I usually listen to the late shows.
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Was that the one that wasn’t clearly audible from the Coliseum?
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by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I’m hoping that a) Brown starts at AAA this year…
I’m probably in the minority here, but, sorry Grant, I want Brown to start the year in AA Richmond and face some truly difficult hitting conditions. The western part of the PCL is just too much of a hitter’s paradise to likely be a great challenge to Brown. I’m one of those guys that wants my prospects to go through some major adversity in the minors before they make it to the majors. I want them to learn how to overcome failure in the minors where they’re out of the spotlight and have time to experiment, because even the best players are going to go through extended periods of failure in the majors.
As for the Wheeler vs. Brown question, I’m happy that the Giants kept Brown. However, I’m still on record as saying that the Wheeler for Beltran trade was not a good one. Sabes should have been able to get Beltran for less than Wheeler – or picked up someone similar (Pence, Bourn) for less than Wheeler. Sabes should have called Alderson’s bluff, because it turns out that Alderson didn’t have any other offer close to Wheeler at the time (even the Braves weren’t going to give up Minor) and there was always a very high chance that Beltran wasn’t going to re-sign with the Giants (and the no comp stipulation was always in his contranct). Sabes should have gone into the deal with the assumption that all he would get from Beltran was beign a member of the team from August through October of 2011.
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I thought the trade made sense at the time, and really if he hadn’t hurt his hand things might have turned out differently. That was a crucial three weeks he missed.
However, I disagree with the notion that Sabean should have been able to “pick up someone similar (Pence) for less than Wheeler”. Pence historically hasn’t been near the hitter Beltran is (Pence had a very uncharacteristic SLG spike after the trade) and still I think you’d have to say that Phillie gave up more to get him, not less. The Bourn deal was a crazy steal though, I’ll give you that.
They couldn’t get Bourn because they had exhausted all their prospects getting Keppinger and Cabrera, hadn’t they?
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Yea, initial reaction when i heard the trade, i flipped out in the car. Was more pissed at the loss of Wheeler than the acquisition of Beltran, because i just didn’t trust that Sabean was going to get any sort of deal done to get him to stay long-term. Hate it when the giants do this “rent a player” type of thing.
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Philly gave up a lot for Pence. The Giants don’t have that firepower. They also don’t have the Ed Wade mothership connection.
Yeah, I didn’t spell that out correctly, because I was cuttung and pasting and looking at a few different sites at the same time. What I meant was to say was that he could have gotten Bourn for much less than Wheeler, but that Pence for Wheeler would have been a justifiable deal, because Pence was still under arb-control and would bring back compensation or draft picks if he walked or got traded in the future.
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Yeah, I didn’t spell that out correctly, because I was cuttung
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But
why would the Astros trade Pence for Wheeler? They got 4 players, two of which were at Wheeler’s caliber.
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Cosart and Singleton aren’t in Wheeler’s class and the other 2 guys are org filler. I’m sure that Houston would have jumped Wheeler + cash for Pence. Not to mention that the Phillies likely would have gotten Beltran and no longer been in the picture.
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?
BBA has Wheeler at No. 55 and Singleton at 39/Cosart at No. 70 (pre-2011)
MLB has Wheeler at 28, Singleton at 44/Cosart at 61 (currently)
Sickels has Wheeler as an B+, Singleton as a B+ and Cosart as a B.
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Actually MLB’s list right now is saying Wheeler 27, Cosart 31 and Singleton 32. I don’t know what’s going on with that list.
that list is weak.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Cosart and Singleton are certainly in the same class as Wheeler, that’s why you see them all clustered together on lots of prospect lists. Personally I’d say Singleton is a better prospect than Wheeler and Cosart slightly worse. You could make the case that giving up Wheeler and Brown and some filler would have been a similar deal to what Houston got. But there’s just no legitimate case that Wheeler himself would be a preferable deal to Cosart and Singleton.
I think you have to put it in chrono order. Beltran went first, then Pence, then Bourne. Atlanta got a steal, the Phils paid a fair amount, as did the GInts. Singleton seems like a pretty steep price to me. A rebuilding team might want more than one prospect for that extra 2 years of control over cash. Unfortunately the Giants are pretty thin on top.
the Bourne deal
is it that bad. I mean Bourne had a great 2011 but he is a career 88 OPS+ guy. He is a great defender so I guess that alone is worth the cost.
They needed to dump the guy and good a couple okay pitching prospects for him. Apparently Wade refused to back out of the deal with ATL even with another GM (I suspect Sabean) offered more.
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Atlanta refused to give up their top pitchers. That was the steal for me. Sickels has the 3 pitchers they got at #s 5, 8 and 17, a B-,C+ and C. 4/5 Starter types and a closer reliever. So yeah, its not that bad. Then again, the Houston system is pretty light. Bourne should have been a nice piece for their playoff push but they burned out the pen, etc.
It might have been Sabean. It’s also came out they almost put in Torres for Pagan in the Beltran trade but the Mets backed out.
Really, I’d be interested to read Phil’s fans reaction to the Pence deal because viewed from a certain angle it’s twice the disaster the Beltran deal was. They gave up two different Top 50 prospects (the #1 & 2 in the system) for a player they didn’t need to get to the postseason and in the event wasn’t the key factor to help get them back to the Series. And to rub salt in the wound, Sibgletons presence in the trade was directly related to the brutally awful Ryan Howard deal and now Howards gone for the year (and when he returns Hamels will likely be gone). Seems like the kind of deal you could regret if regrettin was your business.
It was
TGP was freaking out and only did not meltdown because Brown didn’t go.
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in retrospect the Howard deal isnt as bad as it seems
considering fielder and pujols and miguel cabrera are all signed for roughly 21-24 million AAV and Howard is at roughly AAV 25 million. not saying he is better than those guys, but his contract expires in 2016…the Pujols and Fielder are signed until 2020.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Do you really want to take that opinion?
Cuz Pujols is 3X the player of Howard at this point and Prince at least 2X the player.
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But Howard’s not comparable to any if those guys. He’s much inferior to them. And hes older than most if them. And I think you’re wrong about when it ends too. It’s just starting this year.
Not to mention
there was no reason for the Phillies to sign him to that extension two years ago.
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bare in mind that i said "not as bad as it seems"
not that it is a good deal. big difference. also the dates are accurate. howards deal ends in 2016 with an option for 2017…i do not think howard is as good as any of the three that i mentioned…but in the context of the way clubs are paying big hitting 1B’s these recent signings dont make it look as terrible as it initially was…since its going to cost 20+ million per year for power 1B’s.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
it's worse!
Howard is not a power 1B anymore. The dude slugged .488 last year, .80 lower than his career norm. He also sucks against LHP (.634 OPS against LHP last year).
It’s worse because you are paying him to be Albert Pujols/Prince Fielder when he’s basically an average starter.
BTW: Howard is 4.5 years older and 2 months older than Pujols.
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howard vs. pujols 2006-pres
RH: 58/148, 47/136, 48/146, 45/141, 31/108, 33/116
AP: 49/137, 32/103, 37/116, 47/135, 42/118, 37/99
pujols is better because of his BA and what not, but the power out put is similar…again howrd is not better but he is/had the numbers to merit a 20 million AAV contract or there abouts
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
Man, having Chase Utley bat in front of you certainly helps those RBI totals.
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Pujols had his fair share of protection as well.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Why are you citing RBIs? What are you trying to prove with that?
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You totally missing this
The Phillies signed him to a 3 year/$54 million deal in February 2009 to buy up the last 3 arb years! This is coming off of a year in which Howard hit .251/.339/.543 (nearly .200 OPS lower than his 2006 MVP year).
The following year, the Phillies signed him to a 5 year $125 million extension to buy out the first 5 FA years. This is for his year ages 32-37!
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Im not saying the howard contract is good at all
all i am saying is that there are multiple players, who while better are still comprable, that are getting similar money. I will be the first to say that 25 million a year for ryan howard is not smart…but if the phillies cut him loose and tried to get a similar free agent he would cost about 20-24 million. thats it…the recent string of signings eases the pressure of amaro because now he isnt the only GM paying a 1B 20+ million per year.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
The contract ends in 2017. It’s an option year that almost certainly won’t be picked up but the buyout is $10mil which has to be accounted for.
Also, and this is a big also, he’s older than Pujols! And he’s making more money than Pujols. And he’s nowhere near as good as Pujols.
And for good measure, in at least one of the four years that he’s getting paid over $20 mil, he’s not going to manage to take the field.
all i was trying to say was
the howard signing is not as terrible as it once was…to put it in simple terms that you all can understand… at one point it was considered barry zito-esque and now it is only slightly worse than aaron rowand-esque.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Howard was also not signed on the FA market. I think this is a really important point.
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Amaro is a drunken sailor and the hangover is going to be just stupendous. Maybe the pitcher won’t turn out, but I think Singleton is looks pretty legit as a prospect.
At the snapshot of time the trade was made, with the Giants just beating them, I think the Pence deal was welcomed. Philly fans have become very accustomed to new shiny toys. Who cares about 4-5 years from now, anyways. And Pence played pretty well, making him look better and with Beltran’s wrist injury, much better. But at the moment of the Beltran trade, we got the best bat on the market. That doesn’t happen often, I treasured that moment.
i do not think and did not think at the time beltran was the best bat available.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Before the trade deadline
Huner Pence had a 3.1 oWAR
Beltran had a 3.7 oWAR
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and after the deadline pence was almost 1 full WAR better
i understand the giants could have 100% known pence would break out more than beltran, but they had to have some idea beltran was going to slow down considering he is 34 and hadnt played a full season of baseball in 3 years.
plus pence isnt FA eligible until 2014 and if you are going to give away top prospects you want to have something to show for it…beltran was not that something.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
You changing the argument now
1) Beltran was the best bat available at the time of the trade deadline. Pence played significantly better than expected and Beltran was out for two to three weeks with the wrist injury
2) Again, it took significantly more to get Pence.
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Also
Beltran did not “slow down”
He actually hit better as a Giant than as a Met.
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from a run producing and OBP point of view
he did slow down…especially compared to pence.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
.289/.391/.513 for New York in 2011
.323/.369/.551 for San Francisco in 2011
Yeah, he definitely slowed down.
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.021 drop in OBP. I attribute that to just playing for the giants in general. Its contagious.
The first six innings are overrated.
.551 slugging
That’s almost approaching Barry Bonds’s OBP numbers.
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i dont think
that beltran played poorly i think that he played very well considering all things. but alot of his production which attributed to the high slugging % came with two outs and no runners on…not his fault, and not saying pence would have done better, but for a two month rental he could have hit.400 and it wouldnt have mattered because he isnt on the giants and pence would still be on the team this year, and next year.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
But they still don't cost the same.
Beltran only cost one prospect BECAUSE he is a rental.
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oh the savings
2.5 years of pence with the possibility of offering arbitration and collecting draft picks or trading him exists…with beltran there was nothing…
give up brown and wheeler and get pence plus two years and draft picks or prospects…if that was possible it is the better outcome.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
What about Pence would make him hit better in important situations than Beltran?
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His face distracts opponents at a distance of 75 yards.
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hunter pence's slugging was .560
just saying.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
also his declining walk rate
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Because the Giants signed him to take walks.
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they signed him to get on base
and a walk is one way to get on base.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants signed Beltran?!
SWEET
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my bad "traded" for him
they would never sign him cause that would cost money.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
They signed Beltran to get on base?
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I’m always amazed people can type in that style at all.
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they signed him to get on base
This explains why the Giants did not sign him.
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AND YOUR POINT IS?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
/grabs crotch
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Crotch base.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
LOL PENIS
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PENIS COLONY
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POON COLONY
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Pfft
By then, Newt will probably be on his 7th wife. And she’ll probably be 25.
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Not as hard as this.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Colony established.
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Hmmm… on a second look, this isn’t a part of the penis colony subthread after all.
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COLONY DISBANDED
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
lol butt secks
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if wheeler is worth 2 months of Beltran
than brown is worht 2.5 years of pence. plus you could have traded pence half way through 2013 and maybe even gotten a better prospect than brown…just sayin.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
1) It doesn’t work that way. Giving up one prospect hurts but giving 2 prospects really destroys a farm system.
2) Brown is not a top 50 prospect yet.
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brown is a top 50 prospect on most lists
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not even a consensus top 50 now, so I don’t know why he would have been in July.
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ok so we would have given away 1 top 50 pick and 1 top 100 pick
even better than giving 2 top 50 picks…
HP: .324 /.394 /.560
CB: .323/.369 /.551
one you get for 1 prospect and keep for 2 months
one you get for 2.5 years and can at least get draft picks out of.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think you’re forgetting the part where the other team has to agree to the trade as well.
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of course i was operating under the assumption that this was all conjecture.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Also
prior to 2011, Hunter was an average bat and a poor defense player.
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Huh?
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Weird. TZ hates him, UZR loves him.
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DRS?
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Was going by BR
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prior to 2011
carlos beltran was on the field 44% of the games his team played in…making him worth zero 56% of the time.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Actually
between 1999 and 2011, Beltran played in 77% of games his team played in (1768/2268)
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should have been clearer...2009-2011
point is you have a 34 year old OF with maybe 2 years left of above average production who you trade your #1 prospect for and in 2 months he is gone…or you trade your #1 and #2 and get a OF who has similar if not better bat skills who is only 28 and under team control for 2 more full seasons…at which point you can either sign him to a longer term deal or you can let him walk and collect draft picks…i would have gone with pence and traded both brown and wheeler…other people wouldnt have done that…it is what it is.
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by James Westfall on Jan 26, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I agree in Brown going to AA
I think Panik has nothing to prove in SJ either, put him there.
If the GWTWS the second time, nobody gives a crap about Wheeler. I though their chances of making the playoffs jumped from about 60% to 80% when they landed Beltran, but wow did that fall apart fast.
You can always pay full price for talent. Sometime around 2014, should Tim walk, and gasp Cain is gone too, there will be like 100 million free $? Sure Wheeler saves $, but $ in this case replaces lost talent. Better bring more guys up to replace the lost value, and keep moving on.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it was great to get Beltran, but you’re not answering my central thesis that Sabes could have gotten Beltran without giving up Wheeler. In the end, as with the Zito signing, Sabes was far and away the most generous bidder.
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Maybe
Maybe he went to Philly for 2 B level guys. Everyone was standing around until 1 guy bit down, and the Giants needed a 3 spot hitter more than anyone else.
Sure, there is a chance he might have come cheaper.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
The Mets thought they were going to trade Carlos Beltran to the Rangers earlier in the week, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Texas was being more aggressive than other teams and even though they weren’t willing to include elite prospects, the Mets considered a multi-prospect package. Finally, the Giants offered Zack Wheeler and the Mets moved on from the Rangers, who wouldn’t budge on certain requests.
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Why would that be an issue after the fact?
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No I mean
why does it matter if he is a Boras mouthpiece when discussing what was being offered for Beltran?
It didn’t seem like a pro-Beltran piece.
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It seemed like
Rangers were offering 2-3 B/C guys and the Giants had to offer 1 A guy to get Beltran.
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I mean the Rangers have a ton of prospects to offer
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But we don’t know for sure who they were offering, and we do know that Sabes was the only one that was offerring an elite prospect for Beltran. The Giants could have countered with an offer along the lines of Culberson + Surkamp or Peguero + Surkkamp for Beltran.
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I'm going to say
that the Rangers’ mix of prospect would have top those. Their farm system is seriously deep.
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Just because they could match the Giants doesn’t mean they were willing to.
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Dollar dollar bill y'all
By one level, do you mean all of A-ball, or just Augusta?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don’t know if the Mets were insisting on Wheeler or Brown to make the trade but I do agree with the sentiment of the overpay Fla-Giant laid down. Because of the no-trade clause for Beltran needing approval the Mets had a false deadline 24-48 hours before the actual trade deadline. This is where Sabean’s trademark impatience hurts him. He jumped the gun, grabbed his guy. Now I don’t know if it would have mattered, and I was psyched to have Beltran despite the high price, but it would have been nice to string the Mets out a little more and not give up the top prospect.
but then somebody could have come in and made a better offer. If you got the player you want and it’s all lined up, why twiddle your fingers?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a good point, and Sabean is huge on the player he wants. The only thing I can say in hindsight is that Beltran only had a couple of teams on his no-trade waiver list. The Phils, us and Texas I believe. I find it hard to believe even Alderson could get away with trading Beltran to the Phils, which leaves Texas. Please feel free to remind me of any other teams, but he’s after a ring, that no-trade clause was a big deal.
I am a bad fan because every time I hear Brett Butler I think this for a split second:
Before remembering, oh yeah! That guy!
Yeah, but somehow he doesn’t stick in my memory the same way as Rhett Butler. I blame my mom. Gone With the Wind is basically her favorite movie so I had to see it all the time as a kid.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
You are not a bad fan.
Not even a little bit.
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I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
You could have thought of this...
"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."
I hope Logan isn't the last picked in the NHL ASG
Logan Couture @Logancouture
Draft in a couple hours. Where do you guys have me going..
It might happen since all the Captains and Assistants are in the Eastern Conference, he is a relative rookie without brand-appeal, and he is the only Shark so he has no one to pull for him.
doesn't the last guy get something?
Am I making that up?
A car. Last year the guy last picked donated it to Kars4Kids
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
that commercial really needs to get off the air
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i hope he's picked 2nd to last
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It might happen since all the Captains and Assistants are in the Eastern Conference
I’ve always found Bettman’s honesty in this matter refreshing. He doesn’t pretend to give a shit about the part of the world on the other side of the Mississippi.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Yeah
last thread.
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I don’t care. Moon colony.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Moooooooooooooooooon.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
That what cows will say up there.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
What about the cheese?
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Money will literally be cheese on the moon.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
what if you eat the cheese
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It’s blue cheese? No one wants to eat that crap.
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you'd be surprised, sir
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I dislike that the only way I can think to describe the taste of blue cheese is “feet.”
Now, I don’t like blue cheese. Or at least, I’ve never had good enough blue cheese to like it.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
How bout blue cheese on a hamburger?
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NO, YOU!
Best burger ever, Hamburger, with an egg, bacon, bbq sauce and crumbled blue cheese.
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The best burger I ever had was burger, pastrami, cheese, done.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
i'll take one of those, please
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It was just about a full pound of meat total, but it all went inside me.
If that sounds sexual to you, so be it. The burger was that good.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
That burger sounds pretty amazing. Pastrami on a burger sounds glorious
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and a heart attack waiting to happen.
A lunch place across the street from me makes bacon cheeseburgers on doughnuts every week. That just sounds unholy
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
They are ripping off Paula Deen.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Paula Deen CAUGHT EATING A HAMBURGER!!!
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You only live once, screw it. but ew, not a fan of the doughnut bacon cheeseburger…
They had a grilled cheese with pizza and chicken strips plus french fries at miami ohio… so like all of it as a sandwich
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You only live once, so make it a short as possible!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
The trick is that I think this is one case it really makes a difference to have good pastrami. When you’re piling meat on top of meat, the quality starts to matter a lot more.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
blue cheese crumble is such an overpowering taste
and its consistency… it doesn’t belong on a hamburger!
don't put that much on it dude!!! haha
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That’s most of the ways that I’ve eaten it, and I haven’t cared for it.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Have you had it as a sauce? Like on a salad, or with buffalo wings?
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Mayor of Smug.
hmm... buffalo wings
given me a new idea then
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Oh man, the spiciness of the wings mixed with the funk of the bleu cheese. So good.
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Mayor of Smug.
Yeah
ranch dressing for that.
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I don't think it's as good, but to each his own.
I can definitely see how someone could not like bleu cheese. I just happen to love it.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
"Ask GiantPain about my penis" - Billy Beane
Mayor of Smug.
I think they have that a Buffalo Wild Wings, right?
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Yeah. That place isn’t the greatest overall, but the wing sauce is excellent.
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Mayor of Smug.
yea, it's not great
but i think that’s the first place i’ve ever had wings… not a HUGE fan of wings, but i’d try it
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Probably. I’m mostly just thinking of it in cheese form when I say I haven’t liked it.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yea… i think that’s the only way i would ever eat blue cheese
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A small amount of blue cheese in mac and cheese gives it a really nice tang.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Now THAT sounds awesome.
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Mayor of Smug.
If you’re going ‘wow, that’s blue cheese’, then that’s probably too much, but the right amount is delicious.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
wow, that does sound amazing as well... giving me great ideas
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Is there another way to eat hamburgers?
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That’s how you spend your money. The economy in Moontana is wacky.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
It’s just like North Caroluna that way.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
LOL SCIENCE
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
ST question
I’m going to be in Scottsdale the weekend pitchers and catcher report. Anyone know of fan friendly activities that happen that early ST?
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I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
I've never heard of anything
I can’t find anything online about it either.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 26, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
The players workouts at Indian School Park are more fun to watch than the games in my opinion. I wish I were heading down there.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
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Inverted W
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by NuschlerFace on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
My 2014 lineup (COME AT ME BROS!)
CF Brown
SS Panik
2B Posey
LF Hamilton?
3B Sandoval
1B Belt
C Sanchez
RF Nelson Cruz?/Corey Hart?
Now before I get stabbed for the Posey at second suggestion, I want to preface with saying that I love Posey being a catcher, and that Im not just putting him there because “HE PLAYED SS IN COLLEGE! ..5 years ago..” but because I do think he is very athletic, and see a comparison between him and Craig Biggio, who moved back and forth between C and 2B throughout his career. Plus, the injury may really limit his ability to catch frequently, and I think him playing at 1B would be kind of a waste, especially with Belt. And lastly with having Sanchez, Joseph and Susac all coming up, none of which seem as athletic as Posey, or able to move to another position besides 1B (expect maybe Susac, I havent seen much of him) I think moving Posey over those 3 would be the best option.
As for Hamilton, even if we sign Cain and Lincecum long term, we will have 40-ish+ million dollars still available on the payroll. Now I dont know if spending most of that on a injury prone player with issues of drug abuse in the past is the best way to use that, but hes the only really offensive FA option next year, and pretty damn good. Though he’ll probably get signed long term with TEX.
Same goes with Cruz and Hart. Simply suggesting, as they are the best options in the 2014 offseason, at that position.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
My 2014 lineup
CF: Old Dude
SS: Old Dude
2B: Panik (Injury replacement for Old Dude)
1B: Posey
3B: Sandoval
LF: Old Dude
RF: Old Dude
C: Whiteside
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is your RF Nate, and you’re counting him as an Old Dude by the time 2014 comes around?
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Serious?
cuz he’s got 3 more arb years after 2012.
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I don't know.
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Pessimism is hard to separate from seriousness around here
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I can see how you could be confused about the Old Dudes, but I thought Whiteside gave it away.
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Should have used comic sans.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Remember that Sandoval, Posey, and Bumgarner (and possibly Belt) will all be making more money by then, to say nothing of the guys you have projected as playing RF.
So $40M isn’t necessarily that realistic. Not saying it’s impossible, but it’s far from guaranteed.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
In 2014
Sandoval will make 8.25,
Belt will be making league minimum (or 500,000 or whatever they Giants decide)
Bumgarner will be in only his 1st year of arbitration so he wont be making all that much
And Posey will be in only his 2nd year.
Plus, with the way Baer has said the payroll will increase every year, 40 mill to spend is actually on the low side.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Belt stands a decent chance of being a Super-2.
Both Bumgarner and Posey are almost guaranteed to be Super-2s, so they will both be in their second year of arbitration.
The Giants also have to pay Zito’s buyout in 2014.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Youre correct.
I was going based off of where they stand now (and Cots), not by time.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Yeah, Cot’s doesn’t reflect the new CBA yet, sadly. I don’t remember what the percentage is for the Super-2 cutoff now, so I’m less certain on Belt.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Is the new CBA retroactive?
I mean does it apply to players already in the league before the CBA was signed. It would seem a little weird to do that.
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Hamilton won’t be available. he’s probably going to sign a long term deal with the Rangers soon. and he would never come to SF.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
no, no, no
They were smokin’ weeeeeeeeeeeeed!
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I thought Darryl Hamilton was retired?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
YES
Indians signed INF Ryan Rohlinger to a minor league contract.
Rohlinger posted an uninspiring .247/.353/.409 slash line in 430 minor league plate appearances last season. He’ll serve as organizational infield depth for the Tribe./blockquote>
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Mayor of Smug.
Hinshaw was a much better use of that roster spot.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Left-handed relievers are so valuable
you must eliminate all payroll and roster flexibility to keep them.
COLUMBUS BABY!!!
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JUDY!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
WTF I missed a music thread?
I’m quitting my job.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That seems to be going around, at least in my office. We’ve had 2 out of the 5 people in our marketing department give notice in the last week. People are freaking out.
Is it February 19 yet?
i'm not really quitting lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Might they know something the rest of you don’t?
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
No, they know the same things that the rest of us do. My company doesn’t respect the marketing team and everyone is looking for other gigs. These two just happened to be pulling the plug at the same time.
Is it February 19 yet?
HATE
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
as someone who works in marketing but not as a marketing person, all I can say is…..yeah, that about describes it.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Post yours here so you can be the only one and we can by super-judgmental about it.
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Caribou – Found Out
Strand of Oaks – Pope Killdragon
El-P – The Overly Dramatic Truth
The Flaming Lips – Whole Lotta Love/Can’t Stop the Spring
Oasis – Columbia
Beirut – Elephant Gun
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds – West Country Girl
Mogwai – With Portfolio
Scott Walker – Angel of Ashes
OutKast – Liberation
not really indicative of my taste but
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You have El Person on your iTunes?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
yeah it's an awesome song
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But what maps do you have?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh can I still do mine ( now tht I’m home)?
DJ Shadow untitled track
Beatles All I’ve got to Do
Strawberry Alarm Clock – incense & peppermints
Roosevelt Sykes – Let me hang your stockings in your Christmas Tree (need to clear out the holiday stuff I guess)
Ike & Tina turner – a love like yours don’t come knocking every day
Etta James – trust in me
The jam – so sad about us
Kinks – everybody’s got to be happy
The Killers – Mr. Brightside
Ella Fitzgerald – misty
Dylan & the Band – too much of nothing
Shuffle play seems to be feeling nostalgic tonight.
Something about Modest Mouse.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
You missed the music thread and still managed to get called out for being a hipster.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
The dickishness award winner won’t be a nail-biter.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
truth!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
did someone call me out in the other thread!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yes
I forget his long-ass name though. Something about Crispin Glover, I think.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Damn called out by Crispin Glover's balls
Man.
Why am I Jbrony though?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I lol’d on that.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea
Maybe he was talking about Jporny!?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Jprawny
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I’ve spent way too much time today trying to 1) think of a word that means “together and apart at the same time” or 2) make one up using plausible roots.
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All this with no success.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like there should be a word for this. Stupid language.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
This is closer than I got, but the connotation’s still not what I’m looking for. I think I’ll just name this chapter something boring instead.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure German does. They have a word for everything.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
I was driving with a lady the other day, and we did one of those things when you go up and down on a hill real quick, with your insides feeling tipsy-doodle all of a sudden. Apparently there is a Spanish word to describe that. Why doesn’t English have one?
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Wow.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
SHE WAS MY SISTER
But seriously, we were also doing it.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
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Here-ish.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Nice.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Codespondence
Depends on what precise shade of meaning you’re going for with “together” and “apart”
And damn you for making writer’s block into a transmissible disease.
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Is the second part from despondent?
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by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
Starcrossed?
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 26, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Awww pooor Teeth, people seem to think he’ll be the last pick in the draft.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yeah, I think it could happen
All the captains/assistants are Eastern Conf guys, he is a rookie without a brand name, and there are no other Sharks there to pull for him
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
yeah.
I was going to make a fanpost over on FtF but I couldn’t come up 75 words that fast.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Well yeah.
It’s just annoying for other people.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
True. Maybe I should go over to FtF for now.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
We could hijack the trade thread.
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here I posted this
http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/1/26/2748043/nhl-draft
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I like it when people live blog anything
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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I had a really good time liveblogging doing my dishes the other day.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It’s P&R night so we can liveblog that and 30 Rock
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, so the Fresno Grizzlies had a K-Fed night back in 2006?
K-Fed Night in honor of Fresno native Kevin Federline. The night full of laughs will be kicked off by a temporary tattoo giveaway which the first 3,000 fans to enter Grizzlies Stadium will receive. In addition, fans can expect to be entertained by video clips illustrating Federline’s career and a skit from Parker, the Grizzlies mascot.
Federline was born and raised in Fresno, attending Bullard High School. Since leaving the area he has worked as a back-up dancer for acts such as Pink, LFO, and Justin Timberlake. Federline has achieved nearly all of his notoriety for marrying pop-music princess Britney Spears but has also made an appearance in the movie You Got Served and is releasing a rap album in October.
Fans attending the game are encouraged to dress in a style similar to Federline and celebrate the career of a Fresno legend.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
Leave it to Fresno to celebrate someone who is famous for having sex with Britney Spears.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think that’s worth celebrating
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, the fans at the NHL All-Star draft are really annoying.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
nhl all star draft live blog on fear the fin
http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/1/26/2748043/nhl-draft
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
will there be a fight? It seems highly appropriate if there were
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
NOOZ!
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#SFGiants have agreed to big league deal w/ reliever Clay Hensley, pending physical exam.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I vaguely remember as a Padre.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
remember him
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Ramon Ramirez he ain't.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Hensley gets a base salary of 750K. He could make an additional 300K with incentives & awards. #SFGiants
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Didn’t one of the beat writers calculate that the Giants had around $1 million left of the $130 million budget?
Of course, I remember Larry Baer saying the $130 figure isn’t exact.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
The high end of the Romo and Timmy negotiations put them at about $130MM. Timmy’s deal was on the low side, even after the signing bonus. So there may be a bit of flier money left, but not any 25-man spots to my knowledge.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Wait, really? A big league deal?
Why?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No fucking clue.
But there’s your final bullpen spot.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Chris Ray, part the second.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No, no, this is good.
He can give us all the Padres’ signs from four years ago. It was the missing piece of the puzzle.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Ramon Hensley!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Oh my god...
Sabean’s totally doing the “good year-bad year” reliever game.
ERA by season:
2005 – 1.70
2006 – 3.71 (as starter)
2007 – 6.84 (as starter)
2008 – 5.31
2009 – DNP
2010 – 2.16
2011 – 5.19
2012 – Profit!
2010:
FIP/xFIP: 2.87/3.34
2011:
FIP/xFIP 4.90 /4.73
Yeah…pretty much Chris Ray.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I’m glad the team I root for is paying three quarters of a million dollars to make sure this is the case.
Hank
hankschulman Henry Schulman
I’ve confirmed the signing. His contract is nonguaranteed. He has to a win a job in spring training.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Clay Hensley turned into Matt Herges!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
What? Clay Hensley is evolving!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
You use shitty reliever!
It’s not very effective…
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I read that as Matt Herpes.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dude just keeps coming back.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
...
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
From MLBTR
For all you trivia buffs, Hensley served up Barry Bonds’ 755th career homer, which tied the slugger with Hank Aaron on the all-time leaderboard.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
video
8/4/07: Barry Bonds hits his 755th career home run, tying him with Hank Aaron for first place on the all-time list
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=7144465&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_7144465&v=3
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
wait what
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
i did it better
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Brutal work day...
Bad time to go into the publishing business, kids.
Time to listen to the Devin Townsend Project, parts 1-4 straight through
And since music drives everything I do. This short instrumental piece is haunting and amazing to me.
I’ve always wanted to be in publishing. Everyone I know who does it says ‘for the love of god, don’t do it’.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Dying industry (sorry). Anything print is dying (and I work in a lot of it). Strangely, I got laid off from one years ago when the economy was really good so it’s just the nature of the beast.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Don't be. I've been looking for an out for the past 6 months
Only recently decided I want to leave the bay area for that out. I’m spending my weekend working on my portfolio. My background is in video things, so surely I can go be a grunt somewhere slightly more relevant SOMEWHERE in the world.
Are you in that position where you want to be laid off and while everybody around you is, they don’t seem to lay you off?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Nice
Which is why, I imagine, it was easy for Owen to pivot from the agony of defeat to the thrill
of loyalty. Trying to get his son to stop crying, Michael asked him, “If you feel this way, how sad do you think Kyle Williams is?”
Owen paused a second, then asked his dad, “Can I write him a letter to make him feel better?” And from that, an old-fashioned letter — the ultimate anti-Twitter, the un-social media — was born.
The letter:
Dear Mr. Williams:
We just watched the Playoff game. I feel really bad for you but I wanted to tell you that you had a great season. you sould be very proud, so I wanted to say thank you.
I am your #1 FAN!
Owen Shure
Los Angeles, CA
p.s. your awsome
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-mankiewicz/forget-the-twitter-hate-l_b_1232438.html
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Dang it
quote fail.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Whose awesome?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
the fog is awesome right now
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I wish we got more fog here. I like fog.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
one of the coolest things about walking my dog up here is the fog in the morning and evenings
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yeah
just off shoreline highway
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You can have the fog in my neighborhood if you want. Give it to you cheap too, like $5 a day?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
hankschulman I’ve confirmed the signing. His contract is nonguaranteed. He has to a win a job in spring training.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
NO YU!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
The Jeff Suppan treatment.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 26, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
hankschulman Henry Schulman
I’ve confirmed the signing. His contract is nonguaranteed. He has to a win a job in spring training.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 6:00 PM PST reply actions
I’ve confirmed the signing. His contract is nonguaranteed. He has to a win a job in spring training.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Is there such a thing as non guaranteed major league contracts?
I thought only NRI’s were non guaranteed.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 6:03 PM PST reply actions
hankschulman Henry Schulman
They’re rare, but yes. Gs can release him after spring training and pay small fraction of salary. RT @LarsTheWanderer: Non-guaranteed ML $$?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 26, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it’s conditional on his making the club, and if he does, the money is guaranteed?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 26, 2012 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yes. All contracts awarded through arbiter are non guarantee auntil a certain date in ST.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 26, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t he win a car for that?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don’t understand. They have a draft? For the All-Star Game? Like, a fantasy draft? Where you get cars? This fails to make sense to me.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
Opening day roster?
Starters: Posey Huff Sanchez Sandoval Crawford Cabrera Pagan Schierholtz
Bench: Whiteside Pill Burriss Fontenot Blanco
Rotation: Lincecum Bumgarner Cain Vogelsong Zito
Bullpen: Hensley Mota Casilla Affeldt Lopez Romo Wilson
Minors: Sanchez Belt Gillaspie Surkamp Runzler Edlefsen Hembree
Thing A
I have to wonder who else will be in camp that has a shot at winning that last bullpen slot.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Oh, Belt.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, Family Ties was a really bad show.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Not if you were a 10 year old who liked to look at Justine Bateman.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
I always liked Girlfriend #1, the liberal one who Michael J Fox actually married in real life
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 26, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
for some reason I mix her up with Leah Remini
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 26, 2012 6:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
/not sure what thread to be in
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Which thread should I takeeeeee?
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
We could have had the killer B's
Brown, Bowker, and Beltran in the outfield, with Belt at first. We could sign an aging Bonds who probably still could hit better than any of them, but no Bonilla or Biggio please. Bautista maybe!
Hmmm… I wonder who the all alphabet teams would be through history. A team composed only of players whose last names start with the same letter…
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’m working on the A’s. This will probably be a FanPost.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 26, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
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