Community Prospect List #37
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 25, 2012 2:37 AM PST
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PrintThis probably should be a runoff, but to be completely honest with everybody, we're on #37 of a CPL that has been chock full of runoffs, and unless there's major community backlash I'm just going to go ahead and give the #36 spot to Demondre Arnold, who was ahead by 2 votes (the poll says 1 vote, but I never voted, and I would have voted for Arnold. Cross my heart and swear to die.)
Anyway, here's the new poll. It will be open until 9pm PST tomorrow (technically today), January 25th.
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The list so far:
1. Gary Brown
2. Joe Panik
3. Tommy Joseph
4a. Eric Surkamp
4b. Heath Hembree
7. Andrew Susac
9. Kyle Crick
10. Ehire Adrianza
11. Josh Osich
12. Clayton Blackburn
13. Adalberto Mejia
14. Adam Duvall
15. Conor Gillaspie
16. Ricky Oropesa
17. Jarrett Parker
18a. Chuckie Jones
18b. Mike Kickham
20. Kendry Flores
21. Jacob Dunnington
22. Angel Villalona
23. Charlie Culberson
24. Jesus Galindo
25. Seth Rosin
26. Chris Dominguez
27. Brett Bochy
28. Ryan Cavan
29. Shawn Payne
30. Hector Correa
31. Lorenzo Mendoza
32. Joan Gregorio
33. Rafael Rodriguez
34. Chris Marlowe
35. Enmanuel De Jesus
36. Demondre Arnold
The player's first name links to his Baseball Cube profile page, and his last name links to his Fangraphs profile page.
Jean Delgado (His first name is his BB-Ref profile, his BC profile only showed fielding stats.)
Kentrell Hill
Carlos (Eric) Valdez
If you want to see any names added to the poll, mention them in the comments. Vote away!
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Voting Tomlinson again because his first name is Kelby. Who names their child Kelby ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Kieschnick
Is 25, repeated AA and was still subpar with a .307 OBP and a 0.28 BB/K ratio. Why all the votes?
Sundrendy!
Nostalgia ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Vance Worley too!
Has there been a better run than the 3 Long Beach State guys from a college program?
BR War stats:
2004 Jered Weaver 26.7 WAR, 12th overall pick
2005 Tulowitzki 23.7 WAR, 7th overall pick
2006 Longoria 24.1 WAR, 3rd overall pick
And another LBS guy we missed on in the Kieschnick round, Danny Espinosa is in positive WAR territory with 2.8. (taken 87th overall)
Hmm… how about Arizona State, 1965/66, when they produced
Sal Bando 60.6 rWAR 6th round (119 overall)
Rick Monday 32.7 rWAR 1st overall pick (first ever draft pick!)
Reggie Jackson 74.6 rWAR 2nd overall pick
USC had McGwire (1st round) and Randy Johnson (2nd) drafted in back to back years. And then of course there was the Miss. St. team that had Will Clark (1st), Rafael Palmeiro (1st), Bobby Thigpen (4th) and Jeff Brantley (6th) all drafted off it in 1985.
Nice grabs. AZ State wins that one on depth but Miss St was amazing for a 1 year class.
What about top 5 WAR (BR) by school.
AZ State has Bonds (171.8), Jackson (74.6), Bando (60.6), Monday (32.7) and still going Dustin Pedroia (24.3) (And because I’m in a salty mood I’ll just mention that was the Michael Tucker Draft, 65th pick overall)
Miss St. has Raffy (66.0) and Thrill (57.6) but tails off with Papelbon (17.1), Del Unser (16.3) and Brantley with 11.1. (Because I’m still in a salty mood I’ll point out #6 Paul Maholm at 10.2, a perfectly good #5 starter who could have been signed cheap instead of or in addition to Zito PR Games)
USC is dope as well, with Tom Terrific (Seaver that is) at 106.1 (Still Salty – remember that guy getting traded away fifteen times before any Timmy actions please Rainy Day Fund crew/Brain Trust), Randy Johnson at 89.6, McGuire at 63.1 (Alan Cockrell laughs in your general direction Gints fans), Fred Lynn (47.3) and Jeff Cirillo at 33.2. It should be noted, that yes, the man himself could break into the top 5 with a bounceback season that the Braintrust are hoping like hell will happen (Zito, 31.2). Way more pitchers than I would have thought from the Trojans.
Trolling around the Pac10 doesn’t yield a ton. Cal has Jeff Kent but nothing else huge. Washington State actually has Olerud (56.8) and Ron Cey (52.0) Their #4? Scott Hatteberg with 8.3. I liked Moneyball by the way, the movie. Stanford has Mussina (74.6) coupled with 20s guys McDowell and Boone, teen guys Helling and Guthrie. Auburn has Frank Thomas and Tim Hudson… and I’m running out of steam…
You’re quite right, though, Long Beach has had a pretty unprecedented to run. To have three consecutive drafts where they had a player hyped enough to be a top 10 pick (or near enough) and then have all three turn in essentially best case development scenarios. That’s astonishing. Great recruiting and great coaching going on down there.
Kentrell Hill
Tools tools tools…Only guy on this board with a remote chance at being an everyday player. If everything breaks right. Like Fuentes, contact issues are a major damper on his development prospects.
Hill’s a good pick here, but I’d have to put him behind Fuentes. They’re both toolsy. Hill’s smaller and has more speed, while Fuentes has more current power and I think (because of his added height and size) probably more future power projection.
But the decider between the two for me is that Fuentes a full two years younger and thus has more time for his tools to kick in and become game skills.
Good point
I didn’t realize that they had such a wide age difference. Hill might have the best speed+power upside of any of our young outfielders, but the system is overflowing with speed guys who have so far demonstrated that they are better prospects than he is. Their AZL numbers from last summer (especially the K ratios) were eerily similar.
Looking forward to seeing one of them (hopefully) set himself apart this summer.
/Jealous
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by Gobroks on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Man the Giants 2011 list looks really bad. Only 5 people in last year’s top 30 moved up on the list. That’s bad. The biggest move upwards in the system was made by Brett Pill. That’s bad! Thomas Neal fell so far that he doesn’t even appear in the Indians Top 30 and they’re ranked as the 29th system in MLB. THAT’S Bad!
So that means that the other 25 prospects are either 2011 draftees or prospects who moved down the list?
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 25, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
8 2011 draftees on the list which is alot, certainly more than you’d like to see considering how little most of them have played professionally (or not at all).
+1 2011 UDFA
7 who were already in the system but not on last year’s top 30.
8 who moved backwards.
1 who stayed exactly the same.
Hopefully I'm not breaking some sort of rule here...
but let me guess the 8 2011 draftees…
Panik
Crick
Susac
Oropesa
Osich
Blackburn
Those are the easy ones. Now for the 2 toughies…
My guess is Bandilla and Law.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 25, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Let me guess...
The 5 are:
Joseph, Hector, Brown, Hembree and Surkamp
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Sanchez, somewhat amazingly wasn’t in last year’s top 30, one of the biggest discrepancies between our CPL and the BA list. The fifth player was Gillaspie, and it was a tiny move. The big movers on the list were Pill, Hembree, Sanchez, and Joseph. Brown, Surkamp, and Gillaspie moved up 2 spaces each.
Also, if you don't mind me asking / possibly forcing BA to send you a C&D letter...
Was Villalona on this year’s list?
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 25, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I’m going to go against my recent tendencies here and vote for an older guy with a high floor instead of a younger guy with a high ceiling. It was between Chris Heston and Kelby Tomlinson for me here and I finally went with Kelby due to the overall dearth of even average shortstops all throughout baseball. I do believe that his defense will be at least above-average and that his offense has a chance to be at least average.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Interesting Schulman blog about Steve Decker’s new role in the organization and the way the org coaches hitting. There’s also good news about Steve Kline being promoted to SJ, and awesome awesome news that Derin McMains who was a favorite of mine and all the fans in Hagerstown back in the day, and who’s been coaching in the system for a few years now, is being given a manager position in the AZL this summer.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy!
OT
Brown is ranked 48th on Jon Mayo’s (MLB.com) top 100 prospects. Most of the comprehensive lists I’ve seen has him in that general area.
And Frankie Pegs is #98.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Wow
I don’t know whether to be happy or confused, so I’ll go with both.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
I didn’t look at the second 50, I only watched the show on MLB Network. That is…confusing.
Actually, I found his whole list to be fairly confusing. He had Rendon, like, 15 spots behind Starling, which is just crazy talk.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm excited already!!!
A multi-tooled outfielder who does everything well, an electric talent people will enjoy watching at the big league level.
No they're not
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
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