New Year's Resolution: I Will Give Brett Pill a Chance
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 2, 2012 12:00 PM PST
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PrintNo sense faking a build-up to the thesis. It's right there in the title. There were alternate themes that barely missed the cut -- "I Will Make Fun of the Orlando Cabrera Trade Even More", and "I Won't Pass Judgment on Aubrey Huff Until After His First 500 At-Bats" -- but I'll stick with Pill. The Giants' outfield, as presently constructed:
LF - Melky Cabrera (S)
CF - Angel Pagan (S)
RF - Nate Schierholtz (L)
Which leaves a spot at first for Aubrey Huff, who is left-handed. If you honestly think that the Giants are going to find a spot for Brandon Belt in this permutation, you think that:
a. Angel Pagan isn't going to start and leadoff every day, or
b. Belt will somehow beat Huff out for a job, or
d. The Giants will keep Belt around on the bench instead of getting him regular playing time in AAA
Normally I'd slip a peyote joke or something in that list, but there really isn't anything funny about this. If you think that Belt is going to crack the roster, you have to pick which one of those three options the Giants will choose. After years and years and years, the Giants have finally showed patience with a young hitter who struggled in his initial taste of the majors, and they avoided pursuing anyone else in the offseason. That hitter was Brandon Crawford. The other guy -- this Belt kid -- is going to have to wait for an injury.
And this almost certainly leaves Brett Pill as the right-handed thumper on the bench. He'll be the right-handed complement to Huff at first and Schierholtz in right. When there are tough lefties on the mound, Pill will be there. So it is written. Barring some sort of surprise, he'll be doing all of this with Belt in Fresno.
That's a good recipe for resentment stew. The Giants' best chance for an in-house improvement to the worst lineup in baseball last year isn't the gooey substance inside Freddy Sanchez's shoulders and knees, but a player who is likely to be in AAA. And we'll have to watch Huff and Pill instead. There isn't much of a chance for a New Year's resolution of "Give Huff a Chance." The good tidings from the World Series run vanished when Bochy and Sabean hinted that he didn't show up to spring training in the best shape, though that still reflects far, far, far more poorly on Bochy, who was the guy pretending he didn't have an alternative to Huff.
But I don't want to resent Pill. He's certainly not a prospect -- he's 27, less than a year younger than Travis Ishikawa, for example. And even if he were four years younger, Pill wouldn't be an especially impressive prospect. He's a career .279/.328/.445 hitter in the minors, and his still-not-that-impressive .312/.341/.530 line came in his repeat season in the PCL.
Reminder: the average hitter in the PCL hit .286/.359/.448 last season.
Based on the available evidence, it sure seems like giving hundreds of at-bats to Pill would be a bad idea. There's a good reason why ZiPS suggests that Pill is pretty much indistinguishable from Conor Gillaspie, for example.
So the resolution, then, is to not hold that against Pill. I will not curse him out or roll my eyes when he comes to bat in 2012. I resolve to root for Pill in the same way that I rooted for Dan Ortmeier, Jesus Guzman, and Kevin Frandsen as they came up. I resolve to root for him in the same way that I rooted for that 30-something minor-league vet who took over for Aaron Rowand in 2010. I resolve to hope with every fiber of my being that I'm wrong, that the professional prospect hounds were wrong, and that Pill is talented enough to make us all look stupid.
I resolve to remember that Brett Pill is a member of the San Francisco Giants' organization, and that his dreams over the next year (and decade) would make all of us happy if they were to come true.
As for the goofballs who are putting the Giants in this position? No such resolution is forthcoming. But I resolve to root for Brett Pill, even if I don't agree with the playing time that he's going to get. They're two separate subjects.
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Well, there is the possibility that Belt takes Nate's job if he has a hot spring training.
Nate could get Bowker’d. Or if you prefer, Belt could Schierholtz him. Weird, huh?
I’d almost prefer it didn’t happen, because Nate is one of those really likable borderline players and because that would be the worst possible reasoning for making the right decision. Like, I’d almost rather Bochy come into the clubhouse and explain that Belt will be his starting 1B because he decoded the Tetragrammaton and also Miss Cleo told him so.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 2, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Oh shit
They got to Grant
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions
fuck that shit
brett pill sucks
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This is why I was rooting for him to fail last September
Because of course this shit would happen because fuck the Giants
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How is this team so shitty? fuck
The level of incompetence here is stunning. Maybe I should go root for the fucking Lakers.
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It does sometime come off like they’re operating plan is to collect as many players as possible and then figure it all out later
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Except shortstops, because they’re hoping like hell that Emmanuel Burriss will be good this year.
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really, hope seems to putting it mildly.
Seems like they see something that no one else does. And they are convinced enough of their own genius that they think that’s enough.
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Not sure if you’ve seen, but Sabean actually said he was hoping like hell.
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by Merope on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What leadership.
Good thing these fucking clowns are running the show.
They have the ability to make a change and then they just ‘hope’ while handing out expensive contracts to LHRP.
Sabean is an idiot. I think people just confuse ‘prickliness’ with ‘vision’.
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by DrStankus on Jan 2, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’ve decided that my New Years Resolution is to just watch it all go down in flames, the whole damn thing.
Its my penance for enjoying 2010 so much
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The funny thing is, going down in flames will end up being to the tune of 82-88 wins and missing the playoffs.
I don’t understand how we’ve remained in playoff contention for so long for so many years, even during the shittiest of years.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
hahahahahaha
we can take turns sucking off Sabes when the Melk Man finishes top 10 for MVP voting
...
If Cabrera finishes in the top 10 for MVP voting, it will because the plague has wiped out most of the league.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Apparently he also has lady parts.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm, not necessarily
The Giants finally won the World Series. Now what?
by jordanovich on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Other RHH on the Giants
Buster Posey
Eli Whiteside
Chris Stewart
Freddy Sanchez
Matt Cain
Madison Bumgarner
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'll speak for GP here
Jose Reyes is right-handed.
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So is Albert Pujols. Neither was ever particularly likely to happen.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The only “likely” thing to happen was that Sabean would do nothing to improve the team… because that was what he did.
So don’t pretend like the Giants are backed into some corner where Brett Pill is our only option. Sabean could have resolved this issue and chose not to because our team would clearly be devastated without a LOOGY.
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by EricW on Jan 2, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As I have already said in this thread, I would have preferred if the Giants got a RH corner OF instead of Cabrera.
If you haven’t noticed, the Affeldt and Lopez’s contracts combined still don’t account for what it would have taken to sign Reyes, and it may well be that he wouldn’t have played here even if we had made him an offer at least as competitive as the Marlins.
Unless you had a few million on hand to chip in to the Reyes fund, the Giants were never realistically going to get him. Sorry if that interferes with your wet dreams.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Affeldt + Lopez + Sanchez + Whiteside = $16M
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but without Affeldt, Lopez, Sanchez and Whiteside, from a competitive and experience standpoint we wouldn’t have been able to field a competitive team.
or whatever.
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Whiteside is basically extra baggage, given that we already have Stewart. But given the injury issues in the bullpen, I am guessing the Giants did not want to hand over spots in the bullpen to Verdugo and Runzler, or Hembree I suppose, while they remain uncertain about the health of their two best relievers.
Particularly when you consider this is freeing up money to sign a player at a high-impact position with a history of injury problems.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Then don’t sign Reyes, sign Beltran and Furcal… or Rollins… or Beltran and Carroll.
SOMEONE.
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Rollins and Furcal were only slightly less unlikely to happen. It’s pretty obvious they wanted to stay with their respective teams, and (since I apparently have to repeat myself) would have required an overpay in order to acquire.
It’s pretty sad how this is the year where suddenly everyone is clamoring for old shortstops with injury histories.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Because the alternative is worse, perhaps?
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Crawford was worth half a win last year in 66 games.
Despite a .228 BABIP.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Can we stop with this please?
There were other left-handed, non-closer options on the market who got less than either Lopez or Affeldt. Also, there are a decent amount of other bullpen options still unsigned. Even if the Giants were worried about Romo’s and Wilson’s health, they could have waited to sign guys who would have brought some insurance to the bullpen.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
It's a pretty shitty market.
Rich Hill (32)
Mike Gonzalez (34)
Aaron Laffey (27)
Damaso Marte (37)
Trever Miller (39)
Arthur Rhodes (41)
Doug Slaten (32)
Brian Tallet (34)
If the Giants were looking for insurance, Gonzalez and Rhodes are really the only guys I would trust. Rhodes is getting $4M at age 41, and Gonzalez is coming off a 2/12 contract and has Boras as his agent.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Then don’t use that market.
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What lefty relievers have moved this offseason
besides Sean Marshall?
Or alternatively, who would be worth trading for?
I’ll go on the record as saying that I’d much rather pay 1/5 or 2/8 for lefty relievers than trade prospects for them.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Trading for relievers would be even worse, of course
They should be assembling their bullpen the way they have the last few years. It’s worked.
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If Romo and Wilson were healthy, I think they would have been much more willing to give spots to minor leaguers.
But the guys that have shown up in the last couple years have been pretty meh, even if you want to count Casilla. Runzler has been hot and cold, Joaquin struggled, Edlefsen didn’t exactly dazzle… short of Hembree, none of them are rated particularly highly, and I don’t he’s close to the majors quite yet.
The situation in the bullpen is a microcosm of the Bonds-era outfield. But at least it isn’t costing us draft picks and minor-leaguers.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
There have been plenty of scrubs who have pitched well for the Giants
Medders, Howry, Miller, Casilla, Bautista, etc. The Giants can find people and plug them in and discard them when they’re no longer needed.
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I thought you were referring to Romo and Wilson, rather than the scrap heap bonanza.
I wouldn’t really say that any have pitched well for the Giants though, other than Casilla, and half-seasons of Medders and Miller.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s worked out well enough, since the bullpen has consistently been among the best in the game. I really don’t understand why they don’t keep doing that, since their scouting is so good.
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I said "were" not are
e.g. Sherrill, Oliver (though his LOL TYPE A status would be an issue), Duke, Mijares. Also, Marte would have been a fine option if his medicals cleared.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Sherrill I wouldn’t really term as “insurance.” Similarly for Duke and Mijares (who was actually below replacement level in 2011). Oliver could have been a possibility, though after last season he will probably get around $4. The savings aren’t that great.
The Giants paid a premium to get the deals done early. I’m pretty ‘meh’ about it at this point, just based on the market.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I was referring to the LOOGY part of my earlier comment
All the guys I listed would be utilized only against lefties at this point.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
youre a moron!
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 PM PST reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
This bit....
the Giants have finally showed patience with a young hitter who struggled in his initial taste of the majors, and they avoided pursuing anyone else in the offseason. That hitter was Brandon Crawford. The other guy — this Belt kid — is going to have to wait for an injury.
I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry at that one
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM PST reply actions
I’m gonna root for Crawford, too, because what choice do we have? At least he’ll be pretty in the field.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’m going to root for hell for Crawford because I like him to but the point is the same— why is Crawford getting the benefit of the doubt and Belt none?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford's probably a better soldier or something
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
The reality too is that my guess is that SS is going to be a weak spot all season and Sabean is going to make his patented trading deadline move to pick up another SS in response to it. Which they wouldn’t have had to do if they picked one up during the off-season.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
He's learned his lesson from last year
If he hadn’t signed Miguel Tejada, he could have gotten Orlando Cabrera without having to DFA Tejada after.
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They should have at least kicked a SS tire or two unless they’re planning on doing some weird shift where their 5th outfielder will play almost where SS is
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
They went to negotiations with Alex Gonzalez,
who went to MIL for 1/6 because he wanted to play every day.
I’m going to hazard a guess and say that the difference between Gonzalez and Crawford won’t be $5.5M in 2012.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh yeah, I remember the retching that overcame the site when that rumor was announced.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Gonzalez was always a likely pursuit (identified here well before the offseason began), but he was sadly one of the best available options short of the trade market. Rollins and Furcal were the others, and it would seem that if they were on the open market at all, it was probably in name only. They wanted to remain with their current teams. Not to say that they couldn’t have been pried away, but the offer would have likely been an overpay.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No, he was always one of the worst available options
Good options:
Jamey Carroll
Clint Barmes
Rafael Furcal
Hiroyuki Nakajima
Jimmy Rollins
Jose Reyes
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Reyes was evidently out of the Giants price range. Rollins and Furcal I have already discussed. Jamey Carroll is almost as bad a defensive SS as Miguel Tejada at this stage of their respective careers; he should really only be playing second base. Nakajima evidently did not pass the eye test for the org.
So, Clint Barmes it is, who signed before the winter meetings for 2/10.5.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Brandon Crawford’s defense is insignificant when you look at how terrible his bat is. We’d all be happy to have Carroll’s career .356 OBP on the team. It would be in the top two or three in our lineup. UZR also has Carroll at +0.9 runs in his last three seasons of shortstop, although that’s only a 1,000 inning sample size.
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It’s pretty obvious the Giants don’t want to give two-year deals to 37 year old shortstops at this point.
You’d think after Renteria, Tejada and Cabrera, people here would have some appreciation for that lesson learned.
Crawford and Carroll are both gambles; Crawford just happens to be a much cheaper one.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That's a cop out
The Tejada, Renteria, and Cabrera were bad because those players weren’t good anymore. Renteria had a .317 OBP the season before we offered him $18M.
Carroll is much better than any of those players were and got a $6.5M contract. There’s really very little risk in a $6.5M deal…
Worst case scenario, you eat the money like you did with Tejada. But Carroll’s upside is so much higher than Crawford because he has been putting up awesome OBP’s every year and hasn’t shown any indication of stopping.
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He’s 37. The odds of him continuing to put up awesome OBPs and be a functional shortstop are pretty slim.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Turning 38 in February, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I disagree.
Putting up awesome OBP’s is one of the things that really tends to stick around with age.
Even with steep decline, he’d be worth the cash and well above the current replacement.
Yes, but he’s been hitting .290 as a slap hitter with a .330ish BABIP over the last few years. Age is likely to catch up with him and push that into decline as a product of both worse baserunning and batspeed, which will drag down his OBP with it. His walk rate might stay consistent, but if he doesn’t keep hitting .290, his value will drop pretty quickly since he can’t prop up his value with hitting for power.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don’t know if he will or not, but I’m certain that he’d be a better gamble than going into the season with a middle infield pool of Crawford, Fontenot, Sanchez, and Burriss.
I like him because he’s cheap, and even if he is going to decline, at least he’s declining from quietly solid or even excellent whereas pretty much everybody else at the same price level has had a pretty bad performance level over the last few years.
That being, Alex Gonzalez, Yuni Betancourt, and yes, Crawford and Fontenot. Burriss goes without saying.
He’s going to decline, but he won’t drop off a cliff. He’s averaged 2.1 fWAR in the past three seasons. He only need to average 0.7 fWAR for the next two years to meet the value of his contract.
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I think the Giants move makes it pretty clear: they think the difference between Crawford and Carroll is not going to be worth the extra money.
And again, there aren’t many guys in baseball outside of the DH that are productive into the far end of their 30s. Carroll wasn’t that expensive, but it’s still a game of hot potato at this point.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Do you think anyone here will shut up
when they sign Tim to a 6/120 contract?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
That would make for a pretty boring board
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
People will be pissed that they spent
so much money on a pitcher. The angry always win out here.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And objective statements like this are exactly the sort that come back to bite you in the ass later.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
“Just wrong” is pretty definitive.
I don’t think it’s likely Crawford will ever be a major-league average shortstop, but I’m not willing to shut the book on him just yet. 2011 was his first time seeing pitching above AA, and his first time seeing pitching above A+ while particularly healthy. Replacement value can get you a long way playing shortstop.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
And so can better than replacement value…
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Totally shitty gets you a job, too.
Betancourt is going to play next year.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Betancourt and Alex Gonzalez remind me that we could be in worse position, but that isn’t saying much.
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With regards to innings logged at a premium position, not to the quality of the player.
Playing Crawford gave the Giants room to make other moves they felt necessary. I disagree with the moves, but I’m past the point of bitching about allocation.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
If you disagree with the movies, why did you just spend so much time defending them?
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Because I respect what I perceive to be the organization’s motives in making them.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No one doubts their motives. Every front office wants to improve their team and win as many games as possible. The problem is that some front offices are smarter than others.
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I think the situation with Romo and Wilson pushed them into the Affeldt and Lopez deals. The dominoes kind of fell from there.
As I’ve said, they could have said “fuck it,” taken their chances with health and handed the roster spots to minor leaguers. But it is significantly more risky for a lot of reasons.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
There are free agent relievers that we could have signed for much cheaper.
Anyway, I think it’s riskier to have a terrible shortstop like Crawford than to lose 1.0-1.5 WAR in the bullpen.
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There's a good reason they are cheaper.
They are bad relievers, or they are flier contracts like in Sherrill’s case.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Affeldt is a bad reliever.
And in any case, the difference between bad relievers and Lopez is very slim on a wins basis.
We’ve pretty much seen the floor for Affeldt.
It’s still better than most of those names on the list I posted on here.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No we haven't
You’re assuming age doesn’t make a difference either
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Sherrill is not flier
He’s a reasonably-priced LOOGY who should never face righties. You know, like what Javier Lopez is (aside from the reasonably-priced part)
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I can't believe there's anyone
who thinks Sherrill would be just as good as Lopez or Affeldt.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I was only comparing Sherrill and Lopez
Since they would occupy the same role.
Sherrill career FIP/xFIP/K:BB ratio against lefties: 2.20/2.71/4.84
Lopez career FIP/xFIP/K:BB against lefties: 3.42/3.63/1.94
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Jeebus, Tortured!
I can’t believe there’s anyone
who thinks Sherrill would be just as good as Lopez or Affeldt.
Lefties against Lopez: .223/.313/.312
Lefties against Sherrill: .180/.241/.275
Lefties against Affeldt:
.238/.330/.380
Sherrill blows them both out of the water!
Given Sherrill's health and consistency issues,
yeah, he’s a flier.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
As for "consistency issues".
All relievers, by definition (well, not exactly, but it’s certainly true at this level of skill, i.e., not very good) have “consistency issues”.
It comes with the territory. Every year for a reliever is SSS.
Lopez is as risky as Sherrill, simply because he’s a relief pitcher. That’s why it makes much more sense to pay Sherrill 1 mil than Lopez 12 mil (or whatever).
You know, Sherrill has 20 more IP over the last 3 years than Lopez.
I would argue that Sherrill is riskier because of his recent injury problems, concerns about weight.
That’s probably why he’s only getting $1.5M or whatever. It’s a “show-me” contract.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'd much rather Sherrill than Lopez.
The thing is, even if relievers burn out, there are Joe Patersons around, and the Giants FO has shown that they are quite good at finding them.
The volatility of relievers simply makes spending so much money on them a waste, when the opportunity cost is in position players, who are so much more reliable and impact the win-loss column to a greater degree.
That’s a perfectly fair point, and I don’t necessarily disagree with it. I just share what I think is the FO’s feeling of mistrust of the market, and mistrust of Wilson and Romo’s health.
Could they have spent the money better? In all likelihood, yeah. I don’t like the move, but I understand it in principle and am over people throwing themselves down the stairs over it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s like waiting until an item goes off sale or something.
“Get the shortstops now while they are free agents!”
“No, I’d rather wait until it costs us prospects! That’s what the farm system is for!”
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It’s like when you know your laptop is probably going to die soon, and then you see that laptops are on sale at goodlaptopsworthbuying.com, but you waffle about spending the money because what if your laptop doesn’t die and what if the prices drop even more, and then the prices go back up the day before your laptop dies.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
about a month ago, I went golfing with a buddy. When he started his car, it turned over for a few seconds before starting, and I remarked that his starter sounded like it was dying and that I’d help him replace it that day if he bought the beer. “Nah, it’ll be fine. It always does this.”
A week ago, his starter died in a parking lot 50 miles from his house, and he had to pay $200 to have his car towed to a shop who charged him $450 in parts and labor because I wasn’t around to help him do it.
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Is your friend named Srian Babean?
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
It might be that Crawford is getting left for the wolves at the ML level and Belt is being ‘coddled’. I submit that it’s possible that the Giants FO’s feels that Belt was rushed last year (which, if you look at it a certain way, and squint a bit, accounts for his struggles at the plate) and that they are giving him a little space by sending him to Fresno. They may feel that Crawford is probably never going to hit all that well and so rushing him isn’t going to retard his development in any significant way.
Not saying it’s probable, just trying to answer your question.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think they're really just thinking pitching and defense
with offense as their third priority.
2012 Giants: Offense Third!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah, but if that was the case, people wouldn’t be able to complain it.
I don’t think people realize how much Belt’s bouncing around last year was a product of bad luck and worse timing. If Ross doesn’t get injured in ST, Belt starts in Fresno. Gets called back up 6 weeks after Ross replaces him, as soon as Posey goes down and the roster spot opens up, looks to be hitting well, and breaks his wrist, which is naturally going to have an impact on his hitting in the short term when he returns from injury. He got rushed back to the major league level because they needed offense, except he hadn’t been hitting for another six weeks.
2011 was shitty for Belt, but for a whole lot more than the three weeks in August where Huff was starting over him.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes, it’s not the development path one might map out for a highly touted prospect.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
Due to previous front office and managerial shenanigans it’s just so tough to get excited about non-pitching prospects / young players.
I’m just looking forward to hearing KnK again.
No strings, hopes, or aspirations attached.
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There’s a good reason why ZiPS suggests that Pill is pretty much indistinguishable from Conor Gillaspie, for example.
Yes there is a good reason. Poor Brandon Belt. I feel really bad for him and the Giants offense.
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I don’t know how optimistic I can be about Pill.
But no, I will not blame him for the playing time he gets.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I will, however, blame him for every small thing that goes wrong in my everyday life.
“Pill again!” will replace “Goddammit!”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
sanchez and pill went up the hill to fetch a bowl of chacha
sanchez fell down and broke his shoulder
and pill’s average went tumbling after
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM PST reply actions
OMG How the hell do you fuck up the Canadian national anthem?
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LOL guy who’s voice made it on the airwaves yelling “Rangers Suck!”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
It is a pretty cool event. West Coast teams would be nice, but I guess that Gary Bettman ain’t havin it.
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Yeah, I understand why they don’t play here…but the Sharks or somebody could play in detroit or Chicago!
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Maybe they could do an East Coast/West Coast Classic Game. In the first game, you get a Canadians/Bruins duel in the snow in Montreal and then you have a Ducks/Sharks game in Pasadena or San Jose played in 80 degree weather.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
They should have it in San Francisco. The only problem is that it might rain.
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A Lake Tahoe Winter Classic would be pretty ridiculous. Too bad it will never happen. There are outdoor Hockey Leagues in Tahoe and the surrounding areas already
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they don’t do Canadian teams for the outdoor game. They make the Canadian teams play in the “Heritage Classic” instead.
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Correct
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I’d watch the shit out of a Canadians/Maple Leafs game in either Toronto or Montreal because that’s one of the best rivalry in sports. But since we here in America don’t care about watching anything involving nonAmerican teams (supposedly), we’ll never see it.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Do they sing our national anthem in games between Canadian teams?
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I think they bring our flag out piss all over it because they don’t think we’re watching
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Know your history ya whippersnapper… they were doing a tribute to the Broad Street Bullies of the 70’s. Kate Smith was considered a good luck charm by those Flyers teams. If the Flyers were down they’d have her come and sing GBA [instead of the national anthem] She was part of the mythology that surrounded those 70’s teams.
It’d be like having a tribute to the 2010 Giants in 2060 and NOT including the rally thong!
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Am I the whippersnapper or El because I can show you my 1975 Philadelphia Flyers Yearbook to prove my Broad Street Bullies cred (actually, I don’t have that yearbook anymore but the shot of Kate Smith did bring some sniffles)
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Which year book? Like the media guide? or the special Stanley Cup insert from the Philadelphia Inquirer?
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The souvenirs they sold after the Stanley Cup, I think. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen them. My favorite part was the “Guess The Teeth” section where you matched the toothless smile with the player
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they could do an East Coast/West Coast Classic Game.
DOUBLE THE REVENUE !!
That’s not a bad idea really. It would at least give them an idea how the ratings/revenue would play out.
Am I the only one that thinks the the NHL television contracts re worthless ?
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This is a question for the author of that pernicious ditty.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
From a trio of unlikely possibilities, I think B) is the least unlikeliest,
that Belt beats out Huff in Scottsdale.
You know how the Brain Trust can latch onto those all-revealing Spring Training Numbers™.
/high apple pie in the SKYYYYYY hopes
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 2, 2012 12:19 PM PST reply actions
I still think the only reason they kept Pill at all
was because they expect Huff to fail. Whatever comes out of ST won’t matter – I wonder what the lineup will look like at the end of May.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
sounds like a challenge…
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Sure they can. He’ll suck for his new team, they’ll waive him. They will have accidently left Belt in Chicago, and will need an outfielder and will pick Rowand up off of waivers….
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Huff, Belt, Pagan, Cabrera, and Schierholtz are all left-handed, or switch-hitters with a similar platoon to a LHH.
They have Pill around to be a RH pinch-hitter and spot starter.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Crawford and Panda, too.
Buster & Freddy are the only RHH left, isn’t it?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And Fontenot, yes.
The names I mentioned were all 1B/OF, though. Crawford and Panda aren’t competing with Belt/Huff/Nate for PAs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Right
but the point being, the Giants don’t have a lot of options for RHH. anywhere you can get it, might be the idea.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah. They’ve been up front about the fact that they are concerned about how left-handed they are, and with Burrell retiring they don’t have many RH power threats likely to come off the bench.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'd say keeping Pill is actually one of the more understandable moves
in a sad way.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I'd agree
Though I wish they would have gotten a RHH, or at least a righty-leaning switch-hitter, instead of Cabrera.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pagan is a career .253/.304/.396 hitter from the right side, as opposed to .289/.342/.428 from the left side. Cabrera’s splits are less pronounced, but they are still better from the left side.
Even if you can play Melky, Pagan and Pablo against LHP, the lineup still gets worse in three spots before you factor Belt, Huff, Fontenot, and Crawford. I’d have preferred a straight-up RHH.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I am aware. My point was that I was not exhaustively listing every switch hitter and LHH on the team, just the ones that play 1B and OF.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I expect there will be some shuffling in the outfield, at least in principle. My hunch is that Pagan will be mostly anchored in CF, with Cabrera switching between the corners. When Nate is off, whichever of Belt and Huff will be in LF. Similarly when Cabrera has the day off. In the end, the “hot hand” will dictate, with the possibility of Cabrera forcing his way back into CF, with Nate and Huff/Belt at the corners.
As for Pill… most of his starts will come against LH pitchers, but not every start. I’d expect him to start perhaps 40 games this year, simply due to handedness. If he doesn’t hit, though, he won’t stick around, or will at least be buried on the bench.
If Huff hits, he may well get 500+ PAs again this year. But I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Giants find 400 PAs for Belt, either, regardless of how Huff does.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
In the end, the "hot hand" will dictate,
This is one of my least favorite Bochy-isms. Well, that and the fact that while he may say this, he doesn’t really mean it.
with the possibility of Cabrera forcing his way back into CF
That is a frightening thought, it’s a clankapolooza waiting to happen.
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He says he's playing the hot hand
then plays Orlando Cabrera at SS again (who had been hitless his last 10 at bats).
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I've made this prediction before, but I'll do it again
Brandon Belt will never get 500 plate appearances in a season with the Giants.
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i dont see how he cant get 500 abs after this season
when huffs contract is up
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
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I an see plenty of ways that might happen.
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Belt will be the full time starting 1B in 2013.
Good chance he will be starting at 1B next season. Huff is going to be the odd man out and play a DeRosa like role off the bench.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 2, 2012 1:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think Huff begins the season as a starter, but if he doesn’t get results, Belt replaces him around June.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
My fingers are crossed that it’s either this or Huff regains form and both of them play some in the outfield
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I am cautiously optimistic that at least one of them will hit, and the “hot hand” philosophy will sort out the issue of playing time.
I am also hopeful that both of them hit, as does Cabrera, and then they trade Cabrera and just play both Huff AND Belt. That would be great, though I am obviously not holding my breath.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think, if left alone, Belt will be fine. It’s the “left alone” that’s key. I also think Huff will do better because hopefully they tore a new asshole into his new asshole about being out of shape. How that affects the outfield and how the outfield shakes out, who the hell knows?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Never playing?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
teams that skate fast and can actually pass and don’t turn it over every time through the neutral zone. I think I watch the Sharks too much.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
tonight’s [this evening’s] game is going to be a slug fest. And I’m guessing they are going to lose. Stoopit Sharks.
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I will only see about half of it.
Kind of glad I’m busy tonight.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
This team is going to be awful
Pagan Cabrera Cabrera Schierholtz Pagan Pagan Huff Cabrera Crawford Sanchez Burriss Burriss Sandoval Pill Huff Gillaspie Pill Burriss Burriss Posey Whiteside
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Needz moar Burriss
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Needzmoarno Burriss
Fixed
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They did say he could play left.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Mike Fontenot
Mike Fontenot
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
by oldjacket on Jan 2, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, shit, I totally forgot he existed
Much like Bruce Bochy, amirite?
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That’s a bit better. A handful of salve on the lava burn covering my body.
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by rotorueter on Jan 2, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whiteside? Really?
Wouldn’t they have at least figured out he should never be allowed a glove? I thought Stewart was going to get that spot
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve already signed Whiteside, though.
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With Bochy telling Sabean every day that he needs Whiteside up with the big club.
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You really think so?
Even Bochy was playing Stewart more at the end of last season.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
My hope is the pitching staff puts the kibosh on Whiteside catching real fast.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the Giants reported that it was a major league contract?
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by kdl on Jan 2, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping I was wrong.
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by kdl on Jan 2, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
BTW – Happy New Year!
And thanks for running the McCoven Awards. That’s a hell of a task.
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by kdl on Jan 2, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
If
There’s more Fontenot than Burris,
and more Belt than Pill,
and Posey gets >=400 PA
and if everybody hits their median ZIPs projection, then it’s an averagish NL lineup.
That’s probably too many ands just to arrive at “average”.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Didn’t Pill look real good in winter ball?
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I imagine he would.
I’m pretty sure the Giants are nearly as skeptical of Brett Pill as we are. He didn’t sit around in the minors until he was 27 because of their overwhelming belief in him.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
But .300 hitter
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it’s not quite true, but Sabean believes it.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
.300 hitter in the Majors
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I think that is a major factor here in the Brass’ eyes.
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Yes, but it works the other way too.
If he goes out and continues to hit .300, great, .300 hitter.
If he doesn’t, it’s not like they’re going to keep trotting him out there for anything other than PH appearances.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Why wouldn’t they?
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Because he’s not an established player. Examples like Eugenio Velez are not appropriate here, because Pill plays one position, and is ranked 3rd of five only because the two players below him will be starting elsewhere.
If Pill doesn’t hit, they will not be manufacturing PAs for him because those PAs will be given to Huff, Sandoval, Posey, or Belt instead.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pill plays second base as well as Eugenio, I’m sure.
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I am pretty dubious that Pill will play second base at the major league level unless it’s the 12th inning.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pill playing second
What is the updated information on that experiment? Did he look like a butcher in the minors? Was he OK in the minors but no one thinks he has the range in the majors?
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It's Posey time!!
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This is the best defensive team in the major leagues.
And with this pitching staff, it is the best run prevention team in all of MLB. Both offensively and defensively.
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Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
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Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I don’t think we are going this season.
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Looking on Stubhub right now the cheapest tickets are $105 for the outfield. Meh.
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$114 for SRO ?
No thanks.
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Stubhub is always best about 2 weeks before the game
when the sellers begin to get desperate.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Maybe we’ll get lucky and win “the right to purchase tickets” through the lottery thing again this year. We did that one year and ended up sitting on the left field foul pole, almost literally.
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You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Too much Brandon Belt
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Wow, Rusted Root music in a commercial….
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BRANDON BELT WAS A BUST
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
It returned to the air. It was off for a while.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Joe Rogan needs more money to buy hGH
Where is the Congressional investigation on him?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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The Giants are toying with our emotions.
“YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT VETERANS? FINE HERE ARE SOME ROOKIES. SHUT THE FUCK UP.”
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better giants metaphor?
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Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Jan 2, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
It’s like a video game. I made Batman dodge attacks like that in Arkham Asylum.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Hockey was much ore fun when the player’s didn’t wear helmets. Or had any teeth
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 1:10 PM PST reply actions
Now for a break in your regularly scheduled Giants induced offseason depression programming
We have another little future Giants fan on the way :)
<3 Kanani Madison
Grats!
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Congratulations!
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Congratulations!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
The last time my wife and I saw a "winter classic"
it almost cost me 1800 dollars at Louis Vuitton
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It would be one thing if it was Canadian rappers but I don’t know how many times they could get away with playing Snow’s “Informer.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Xanthan pulled the lol Pill gif
Anyway, dude is never seeing a fastball again. He will have to waive at low and away sliders until the team finally figures it out and Fresnos him.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:05 PM PST reply actions
3.5 years of a 5 year contract.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
that was a rhetorical question. Pill will never be demoted for hacking at bad pitches, but Belt will be demoted for taking too many walks.
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So… 1.5 years?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
SSS, obviously, but Crawford didn’t exactly murder fastballs last year. He was -8.9 against them according to Fangraphs’ pitch values. Most of his good stuff was when he would sit on a breaking pitch and guess right. If there’s anywhere for him to improve, it’s catching up with a major league fastball.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
hitting breaking stuff is a good skill to have. Hopefully Belt improves in that area, and if he does, watch out.
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Well, there’s a difference being able to adjust to breaking stuff, and being able to guess. Given that he had a negative score against the changeup too, let’s not be hasty. Hitting a fastball is a much more important skill than being able to sit on a curveball.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Rowand is a perfect example of why pitch recognition is important.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He’s a perfect example that not being able to hit a particular breaking pitch makes one vulnerable.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
The sliders he is thrown are unhittable by design, or at the very least to initiate bad contact. The onus is on the player to recognize the pitch, either by movement or by the “dot” on the ball, and take the pitch.
Buster Posey can’t hit that slider, either. He’s just smart enough not to swing at it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
If it's so unhittable,
why doesn’t every pitcher just throw it on every pitch? Why ever throw a fb at all?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Because nobody will swing if it’s thrown every pitch.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
And most non-Rowands and non-Pills
Don’t make up their mind to swing before the pitch is even thrown.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Then why throw a backfoot slider
If most guys can recognise and lay off?
Solidarity said that it’s more important to learn to hit a fastball than to sit on breaking balls. You need to be able to do both.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Sliders are "kill pitches"
Mostly thrown with 2 strikes to get anxious hitters to chase something out of the zone.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yes,yes, I get it.
The point I was trying to make (badly) is that you can’t just live on fastballs alone. Solidarity seemed to be saying that. Never mind.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Juan Uribe is a good example of a guy who gets by hitting mostly fastballs and mistakes.
You can hit a fastball but not recognize a slider and be a major leaguer, if not a fantastic one. Rowand did it for years.
If you can recognize a slider but not hit a fastball, you probably aren’t cut out for the majors. SInce you’re still going to be seeing a fastball around 60% of the time.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
OK, I see your point now.
Is there an established mlb hitter that can’t hit a fastball?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I would have to research that, as I cannot think of one off the top of my head.
Usually, hitters’ careers derail when they can’t catch up with the fastball anymore. So I have a hard time picturing someone who could never hit a fastball and has still succeeded.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well every pitcher at every level has a fastball, so you’d think people would at least know how to hit them. The real issue is what you do with breaking balls. Changeups just fuck everyone in the ass, if done correctly.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah, the issue is a major league fastball usually has better velocity or movement than the stuff you’re seeing in the high minors. There’s plenty of org filler down there that doesn’t have even average stuff.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'm just trying to imagine
how you could know how to see a breaking ball, but not be able to hit a fastball. I guess because you skip levels and get called up way before your time, like Crawford. Still seems odd to me, like maybe a SSS thing.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
If you can see a slider, it’s traveling towards you at the low to mid-80s.
Most major league fastballs are 6-8 MPH faster, to say nothing of the fireballers throwing 98. Catching up to it and getting good wood on it is easier said than done, and is probably the main filter that seperates the wheat from the chaff in the minors.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
How many guys in AAA have sliders?
It always seems like one of those specialty pitches that guys learn at the ml level. There’s got to be way more guys throwing 98 in the minors than those with good breaking pitches.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Unless Sergio Romo is throwing it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s a set-up pitch. You get ahead of a batter, or get him in a two-strike situation, and throw a pitch that looks like a fastball and then tails hard. It’s never meant to be in the zone, and anyone who swings at it probably doesn’t think it’s going to break until it’s too late.
The slider is relatively recent in baseball history, and it has had a major impact on pitching. They’re nasty, but as EP points out, it’s one that has to be set up. But with a guy like Rowand who can’t tell, they can just abuse it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I've resigned myself to Crawford
But Pill is preventable and should be prevented.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
ONLY YOU!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
This one is probably more in line with Lars' point
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I am not a fan, but Brett Pill does not deserve the “lone t” treatment (which should be reserved only for Mat Latos).
Fair.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 2, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Green.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
It’s still there: http://www.baycityball.com/2011/09/29/the-season-summed-up-in-one-image/
Ask me about my blog.
We’ve decided we are SO going to the Rose Bowl next year. That has gotta be the coolest football experience ever, better than a Super Bowl (but probably just as expensive)
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Went to one, early 70's...
USC buried OSU.
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I give it till April 13. That’s the day Grant goes back to making fun of Brett Pill like a normal person.
by Evan on Jan 2, 2012 2:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, the Rangers have the lead now
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:28 PM PST reply actions
Hanley Ramirez says he’ll accept a position switch to third base so Miami Marlins newcomer Jose Reyes can play shortstop.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yeah, that's not going to blow up in their faces or anything.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Would you...
deal GBrown and C TJoseph for?
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’d do Peguero and Joseph, though I don’t see why the Marlins would make that deal.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
If Hanley was being
a pain, and they are adamant about receiving Brown.
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t heard anything even vaguely credible about trade talks between the Marlins and Giants, so I don’t know where this assertion is coming from.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
simply dreaming...
Brandon may be brutal.
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 6:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Unless the FO cries poverty
And can’t extend Cain and Lincecum.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
they can’t do that, not after saying they don’t have any money because they have to sign those two.
that’d be a PR nightmare
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with Huff, Rowand, Sanchez coming
off books, Hanley, too, is affordable!
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 6:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Keeping Lincecum, Cain, and Hanley won’t be possible; especially if they are dumb and try to hold onto Wilson at a long contract.
I could just see Larry Baer demanding Sabean re-sign Wilson to a 3 year extension because they need to sell more fake beards.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I am pretty sure that the Giants are not making $10M a year in fake beards.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I didn’t say that.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Well it kind of highlights the fact that it’s an argument that makes no financial sense.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
My comment was NOT serious.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
What about option D?
Belt plays much better then Schierholtz in Spring Training (i know, lolz spring training numbers, but its bochy and Sabean) and Bochy starts him in left, Melky in RF, Nate as a fourth OF, and Huff at 1B?
Im sure Bochy loves Nates D in RF, but I think he has as much confidence in Nate’s bat as he does Belt’s.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
You mean you -don't- think he has as much confidence?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It's gonna be Belt at 1B...
with Foghorn Leghorn (Huff) on the bench.
by Billy Swift on Jan 2, 2012 6:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I read this as "option defense"
and my mind went to Tebow places.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 2, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
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Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
That was my thought, too. The competition will be between Nate and Belt.
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by kdl on Jan 2, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oregon’s uniforms are a crime against humanity.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
They look like they are cosplaying Halo.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 2, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
worst part is that it works— the uglier the uniforms, the more attention the team gets, and the better recruits the team attracts.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a hater ;)
lol, joking
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
They’re all Nike concept unis, you know. Nike is based in Eugene along with U of O. I love all their unis, though the yellow ones with the black weaved carbon fiber helmets are the best
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and the fact that a major corporation—one involved in athletic gear— is throwing tons of money at a school’s athletic program just because the owner of the company went to the school doesn’t strike me as ethically dubious at all.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t find an ethical dilemma there. Nike is being smart, and investing their brand in something they can show off on the field. It’s a good niche and good business.
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I wish more corporations would invest in college teams. Reebok, Under Armour, they could all tag a major FBS team and do well. Not sure why they haven’t
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Then there’s T Boone Pickens’ who’s single-handidly putting Oklahoma State into the top tier of college football.
I don’t know, all of this makes me think they should just get it over with and go pro. It might not be ethical but it’s cheesy
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Phil Knight throws money at Stanford, too. Not the athletic department but the business department.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I resent him and will hold everything against him
Also, I hate his dreams.
I will be very smug about how bad the offense is, and you will all dislike me for it.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Ply them with alcohol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno
What will you do if you discover you can fly?
And I don’t think the Giants will suck. They’ll be mediocre. The offense will suck.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jan 2, 2012 3:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Baseball is full of unexpected stuff.
Like oh, say 2011 Vogelsong, for instance. It’s entirely possible that the Giants’ offense ends up league average or even better. Way more likely than your fantasies of me flying.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I'll take a number, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s possible the offense is league average but the pitching slumps to below average
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
To below average? Very unlikely. It would take an absolutely massive slump to make the pitching even average. Realistically, the only way the pitching could drop to even average would be a combination of long injuries to a few of our key pitchers, including one of our three aces, and catastrophic drops in form from several of the others. To get this staff to below league average would require something not much short of a plague outbreak.
by DiggingForFire on Jan 3, 2012 3:02 AM PST up reply actions
Things that would make the pitching below average:
1) Tim or Matt get hurt, miss entire season. This happens to pitchers all the time.
2) Zito sucks, Surkamp sucks, Bumgarner takes a step back. First two are entirely likely, third less so, but not out of the realm of possibility.
3) The relievers suck. Relievers randomly start sucking all the time, especially old ones.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I don’t agree at all that just one of any of those things would make our pitching below average, if that’s what you’re saying.
If we lost Tim or Matt for the season, start to finish, but the rest of the pitching performed to expectation, we would have at worst an average pitching lineup. Combine any two of them and, yes, we would have an average at best staff, probably below average depending on what level of suck we’re talking about. But those combinations are not very likely at all. Losing a top starter for the whole season and the entire bullpen/rest of rotation suddenly sucking out of nowhere? Come on…
Which is basically what I said in my post…
by DiggingForFire on Jan 4, 2012 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants will be above average
By a handful of games.
The offense will suck but not not-sucky enough to reach mediocre.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I won't dislike you for being smug about the offense
I will dislike you for feasting from the teat of our political process.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
After a year of being annoyed at it all, I’m beginning to enjoy this whole mess at this point.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
what, the political situation or the Giants situation? because watching both crash and burn sure is entertaining.
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I wish more people would realize that if you can’t control or influence something, don’t worry about it or complain about it. It does you no good
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This site would not exist if people realized that.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Jan 2, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sure Grant is surprised to hear that his goal in creating Waiting for Boof was to foster a home of worrying and complaining, and nothing else.
this place has been super duper complainy and worryish and depressish lately it seems.
and yes, I just made up some words.
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Its really weird to me, too.
I can’t believe that people are so convinced the team needed to pay a buttload of money for FA, and that the first Giants team in 20 years to have all but 2 probable starting players under 30 would have everyone in such a funk.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Because those players aren’t good.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Not all of them are as dismal as people are saying, tho.
Sure, they are sexy FA like Reyes, but the team is younger and faster than last year, and I don’t recall people throwing in the towel in January.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I don’t want a young and fast team. Emmanuel Burriss is young and fast. I want a good team.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
But when the team is all over 30
all we hear is how Bochy loves vets and what assholes the FO is for signing all those fossils and let the young players get some ml at bats, and on & on.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Because the team wasn't a contender.
It’s pretty clear that the FO’s intransigence in avoiding a proper rebuild from around 06 to 09 really hurt those teams and the current team.
How was it not a proper rebuild?
When you now have a stable of pitching studs and Panda, Posey and Belt?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
They signed Zito and Rowand when it was clear the team could not compete. Those contracts are now hurting us. Even if they were good in the first few years of their contracts, it was not the proper time to sign them.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
So now they should sign some more expensive FA
to keep the albatross quotient high?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Well,Imean...
The players that were signed during the rebuild stage weren’t exactly filling pressing needs, nor were they for good (above above-average) players
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
The point is that they signed expensive FA when expensive FA didn't fit the team's situation in the least.
Now, if they hadn’t signed those expensive FA, that payroll would now be free to sign expensive FA now, when the team is contending.
this, I agree with. You don’t sign $30MM/yr worth of contracts when you are not competing.
Though I suspect their stadium mortgage had something to do with those signings. Gotta fill those seats!!
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Exactly. And stadium mortgage payments isn’t exactly something to take lightly unless you’d like to see the Giants in bankruptcy court with the Mets and Dodgers
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
The A's have NOT been in a perpetual rebuild.
In fact, a few years ago, they dealt a slew of prospects for Matt Holliday in what was a straight-up win-now move.
So was trading for DeJesus and signing Willingham. Beane had hoped to catch lightning in a bottle with a veteran supporting cast around a young pitching rotation, exactly as the Giants did.
When it didn’t work out, payroll constraints and intelligence in the part of the FO led to the current rebuild.
This one I am definitely onboard with you about, dregarx.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It was the FA signings not panning out that fucked that up, not the young pitching. So I’m still not convinced of the SIGN ALL THE FA, WE CAN WIN NOW philosophy.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I'm with you.
I don’t really like signing FA in general, tbh.
For example, it would have been killer if the Giants had signed Matsuis and Vlads to 1-year deals and used the excess Zito and Rowand contract money to pick up high signing-bonus demand players in the draft, acquire more undrafted prospects (I forget the given name for these, but guys like Sandoval).
I would have liked them to look into guys like Chapman, for instance.
The wins come from the kids.
But those kind of players are still relatively cheap.
I would think if they weren’t saddled with Zito & Rowand money, they would definitely have tried to get a few juicy FAs.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Again, fans aren't drawn in by big contracts or high-pedigree players.
They are drawn in by wins.
What brought fans to Phone Co. Park with a string of sellouts? It was a contending team whose major contributing free agents were Huff, Torres, and Uribe. This is an old Moneyball quote: to paraphrase, “if you lose, the stars become nobodies, and the fans stay away; if you win, the fans show up, and the nobodies become stars”.
To say that a need to bring fans to the yard to pay off stadium mortgage payments necessitates high-pedigree, big free-agent signings is simply wrong.
I think we all agree with you that it's wrong
but I think that’s why the team did it. Certainly in Zito’s case. But now their homegrown players are all stars and they don’t need a Zito to put people in the seats.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Reposted.
A rebuilding process is a conscious effort by the club to not spend money on transactions where the benefit is only a short-term gain.
This is typified by slashing of payroll and a focus on the minor leagues, but those aren’t the only criteria; the team also needs to stop spending on the big league club in free agency because the money is wasted. The team is so far out of contention that the playoff chances gained are miniscule.
However, during this supposed rebuilding process the Giants signed all sorts of players who fit this description: Zito, Rowand, and Winn are just a few such players.
The reality is the Giants never decided to legitimately rebuild, considered themselves contenders the entire stretch of time in which this occurred, and ultimately, this slowed down their rebuilding process and still hurts the team to this day.
by dregarx on Dec 8, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The other key feature of a rebuilding effort
… is a conscious effort to try and trade for minor league talent.
The Giants didn’t.by Nivra on Dec 8, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey now
Steve Hammond. BOOM
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Well, yeah, I see your point there.
But they did draft and develop well, hence a lot of current home grown talent. Are they supposed to continue to saddle the team with long FA contracts, or do you think maybe they learned something from Zito & Rowand debacles?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
When this front office “learns something” they tend to apply it with a broad brush, indiscriminate of the situation. So don’t expect long, or even medium term contracts for anybody ever.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That is true, Merope.
I agree, they really just need to learn when to jump and when to walk away, at least with position players. They seem to know this about pitchers pretty damn well.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah, Merope is right.
The FO should learn the lesson that timing relative to the team’s arc is really important in the free agent market.
Instead, they seemed to get the message that all long contracts are bad. Or something.
They did do a wonderful job in the draft. Full credit to Sabean and Barr and everybody underneath them who did the dirty work. It’s because of this that it’s a massive shame their lack of foresight put the team below WS contender.
Here's another repost that further elucidates the point.
One of the most damaging aspects of the front office’s approach was the lack of willingness to endeavor to rebuild the club when postseason chances were slim.
Aside from the Durham trade, no such process was evident.
This failure is very much related to the Zito and Rowand albatrosses, the lack of prospect return from aging players such as Winn, and the lack of knowledge about the major-league viability of players such as Bowker and Schierholtz.
Ultimately, the Zito, Rowand, weak farm system, and insecurity or at least lack of sufficient information as pertains to Schierholtz are all coming back to haunt the Giants in a bad way.
It’s a massive shame. With their drafting, they’ve put together an excellent core. It wouldn’t have even taken an advanced sabermetric approach to put them significantly ahead of where they are now. All that was necessary was a lesser degree of hubris, such that the front office could recognize the impossibility of turning the moribund franchise that was the SF Giants in the years 07 and 08 into immediate playoff contenders with a single offseason. That they couldn’t come to this realization turned a strong contender into a makeshift hopeful.
However
the fact remains that the DID win the WS in 2010, which would have been the timing if your rebuilding years were 06-09. But that was all luck, obviously.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Not all luck.
But the fact remains that if they rebuild properly, the Giants are most likely in the playoffs last year and considered locks to win the division this year.
They probably would have made the playoffs anyway, without the injuries.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I don’t understand why the incredible amount of injuries the team dealt with isn’t taken as seriously by some. If you lose half your team- and two of your best players for the whole season- due to injuries, there’s a good chance you’re not going to have a great season just as there’s a good chance your offensive numbers were going down. Last year should be treated as an anomaly not as the baseline for where the Giants are
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Be careful, though.
Injury tendency is an attribute for some players.
I suppose it shouldn’t apply to Posey, unless the leg doesn’t heal well, but certain players will tend to get injured more.
Dbacks also tanked at the same time
that the Giants were playing the Astros and other teams they should have beaten. If the Giants had taken advantage there, it might have been very different.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
We coughed up 4 or 5 wins AT HOME to the Diamondbacks during our swoon.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well and they lost to the disastros, pirates and the reds too. THE DISASTROS….fer crissakes.
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That team was pretty banged up at that point. I remember people wondering if the team just ran out of fumes at that point, that the collective adrenalin of the WS, all the close games they played, and the constant stream of injuries just got to them.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
It's kind of amusing
that before the season, all the buzz was about whether the Giants’ arms would hold out. But it’s the rest of the team that looked tired and got injured. The pitchers were stellar.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
But the Giants feel that they can’t actually do a full rebuild because attendance would go down and they can’t afford to have attendance go down because then they couldn’t pay off the debt payments. Which is a halfway valid point. So every year they try and go through the pretense of contending just to make sure they have people show up. Zito and Rowand were bad free agents at bad times but were deemed as big deals at the time just to keep people in the seats
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think this attitude is defensible either.
It’s not the pretense of contending that brings people to the yard, it’s the actual act; it’s been out in the open for quite a while now that the team’s overall success more than anything else impacts fan retention.
The Giants were not in a position to feasibly contend, and as such, signing Zito and Rowand didn’t bring them to the level of wins needed, and should not have been signed.
And even if one subscribes to the philosophy that some big name free agents are necessary to sign for the delight of the fans in the offseason (which has some merit), the Giants should have instead signed former, old, stars to short contracts. Think Vlad and Matsui.
This way, the Giants get name-brand recognition AND a few draft picks at the end of the year when those year-rentals walk.
Zito and Rowand just really weren’t necessary.
It’s like the Jayson Werth signing for Washington. Wrong time, wrong player.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
Well, the Nationals would seem to disagree with you there. They’ve been incredibly aggressive.
An argument could be made that they would be better served tanking until Harper is ready and Strassburg is healthy, but they’ve clearly made a decision that now is their time to strike. Apparently, they’re the favorites to sign Fielder, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Mike Rizzo is not a very good GM, in my opinion. He massively overpayed for Gio Gonzalez. They might be able to compete with Prince Fielder… but they still need to sign him.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
There’s a difference, though, between looking like you’re trying and just giving up, though. If you’re an A’s fan, right now, you’re not really excited about the season. The FO is terrified of the idea of going into a major rebuilding mode and throwing out there a bunch of 22 year old prospects and telling Giants’ fans that if they just wait three years, they might have a contender.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
What does a long-term Rowand or Zito do more for “looking like you’re trying” than a Matsui or Vlad?
Players in the current offseason that would have fit the Giants’ needs as a rebuilding team while garnering draft picks and making them appear to attempt contending back in 06-09 are players like Oswalt, on a 1- or 2-year deal.
Oh, there’s no way I’m saying those signings were smart now or even then. Zito especially was done for PR reasons and to get fannies in the seats. My point is that the Giants don’t believe they can ever do a full rebuild and so will always try and scrape together a team that looks like it would either contend or compete (something true of the Big Boys back East).
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
If it's not one thing, it's another.
Everyone wants the team to be better, obviously. But yeah, inordinate amounts of despairing.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I have to rec this.
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declared for the draft, didn’t he? He’s too small to be a full time back, he’ll end up like Reggie Bush if he’s lucky
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He's a freshman still
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Oh yeah, I'd go if I was LaMichael
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
pretty sure he’s a senior, so he either goes or doesn’t play football in 2012. unless he hasn’t redshirted a year yet
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Redshirt junior
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
oh. Interesting… not sure I’d declare if I was him, this is a heavy QB draft. Wait til next year when Barkley, Luck and Griffin are all in the NFL and you’ll draft higher
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I did not know that until I just looked it up. That’s awesome, dude is passing up money now to pursue a dream, a dream he could have already accomplished had Carroll not fucked the college over and bounced to the NFL.
I respect Barkley
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Yeah, he’s pretty much a hero at USC. In his press conference, he talked about how he knew he was ready to go to the NFL, but didn’t feel like he had finished what he started at USC, and he needs to honor the team that stuck together through the sanctions.
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Sounds pretty cool. They’re bringing back a lot of talent.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
IIRC, they’re bringing back 20 of the 25 starters for the UCLA game. And most of their players are freshmen and sophomores, which bodes well for when the scholarship reductions hit.
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Gotta be preseason #1 for whatever it's worth.
I think they are a top 5 team right now.
GIANTS BASEBALL: HOPE LIKE HELL!
He might just have been the third QB in this year’s draft, which is rich in first round QB talent. Going back, he gives himself a very real chance to be the #1 pick in 2013.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
In other words
the exact opposite of what Jake Locker did.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pretty much, though Locker still went about half a round higher than I expected him to.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
And Locker kind of bloweth.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
It's iffy
He carries the ball a lot in Chip Kelly’s system, plus he got nicked up this year. On the other hand, Richardson, Wilson, Miller, and now Polk would all likely get selected before him, as might some other players.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
you’d also need a Tebow-ish read option offense, and an NFL team willing to invest in that
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Not really though
Chip Kelly’s system is based on zone-running schemes similar to what everyone in the NFL uses. The only differences are that the O-line in his system can get one more double team, since they read the DE or DT or a linebacker, but James isn’t the one doing the reading anyway. It’s still downhill running with some cutback lanes.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m just not sure that James has what it takes to become a pocket passer. Oregon’s insane running game really sets up the passing game, which in turn makes him look really good.
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Wait, what?
Now I think you’re confusing Darron Thomas with LaMichael James.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I think you’re right. Wow. I don’t know why I started talking about James as if he was their QB.
At any rate, I look at James as a Reggie Bush comp.
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I’d wager he’ll do better than Bush, mainly because he can run between the tackles better and he’s more stoutly-built. I don’t think he’ll ultimately be a feature back, but I think he could be a pretty good change of pace or even 50% of the carries kind of back.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Too much credit I think. I was thinking more of someone like Jonathan Stewart. Useful, but not focal.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Also, I don’t think Darron Thomas makes it in the NFL as anything. To slow for a wideout, not a good enough passer and decision maker to be a QB, and not stout enough to be a running back.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Didn’t Reggie Bush just finish up a fairly productive year as something very much resembling a full time back?
Thing A
Daniel Thomas went down, and Bush capitalized bigtime.
Had a 200-yard game one week. However, he missed the last game of the season with an injury.
First 1000 yard season, which is great for him. Bush’s big problem is that he’s a one-back personality in a two-back league.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
this, basically. The Niners make do really well with Gore/Hunter, but Bush is like the Hunter in this scenario. He’s not an all-purpose back like Sproles or Skittle-dude
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Sproles and Bush are both all-purpose backs. Sproles just does it a lot better.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Yeah, I was just talking about personalities.
Bush: “I want the ball.”
Sproles: “I’ll take the ball when I can get the ball. Those other dudes are okay.”
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I suppose
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
It’s pretty much the reason he was run out of NO, which opened up a spot for Sproles.
Sproles is undersized as a back, and while he is great, he’s better when the Saints have a stable of guys like Ingram who can split the carries. The scheme does more for him than he could do getting by on talent alone.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
oh, I thought you meant running style, as in their on-field personality. I was talking scheme; teams that use primarily halfbacks and tailback tandems as opposed to a single halfback.
But to add to your comment, Bush, IMO, is not an all-purpose back. He’s too small and not versatile enough. Sproles can play in all 3 facets of an offense, and very well to boot
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I mean, Bush runs the ball (in a meh way), catches the ball out of the backfield and lined up in the slot (decently) and returns (moreso in the past) punts, so I’d consider him all-purpose. Just not much better than average.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Perhaps. I mean, put it that way, every back in the NFL is all-purpose. I just don’t think Bush is good enough as an all-purpose back for a quality 10 win team.
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Well sort of. I should’ve been more specific with the catching part, since most backs can run to the flat or run a dinky 3-5 yard option route, but there are plenty of backs who would be ineffective running wheel routes, say nothing of angle routes or anything requiring a double-move.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Not many backs actually can, so I think we’ve come full circle on this one. Bush isn’t elite, but he isn’t poor. It’s just hard to find backs who can do it all, I suppose.
I think Kendall Hunter is going to be an elite back. Either Gore is hiding injury, or Hunter really is this good- but Hunter seems to be putting up better runs against the same teams.
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I don’t really understand. You basically define all-purpose back as only power runners or what? Bush’s numbers this year are pretty much as good as either Gore or Lynch’s. He doesn’t run between the tackles as well but his pass catching ability make him, arguably, an even more “all-purpose back” than pure power runners
Thing A
I define all-purpose backs as guys who can run, block and receive. It’s not about power runners vs slashers.
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I have the sound off
WTF, how did the Rangers’ player end up in the box for that play?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
they called him for stick holding….
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(AP)—Coach Jim Harbaugh has told 49ers quarterback Alex Smith the team plans to re-sign him beyond this season.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AotMmzZznlHqDSZgBWKB36ZDubYF?slug=ap-49ers-smith
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
I'd be fine with this
if he’s going to be our back-up.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
while not caring whether I ignite a firestorm of controversy or not…
care to explain why Alex isn’t good enough to be a starter in 2012?
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I said this last thread, but
Rob Grownkowski had as many touchdowns in 2011 as Alex Smith.
He’s a guy who will throw for 60% completion rate, not make any stupid throws, and will get you 200-ish yards.
I’d rather be building an offensive package to emphasize a QB’s strengths than one that hides his limitations.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
and that Green Bay back up is a free agent next season….
system or ability? I dunno, but he sure made hisself a nice little audition tape with tht game.
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yea, because no QBs that nobody had ever heard of have ever gone on to become successful starters
Thing A
Flynn is going to be an unrestricted FA, so he’s been around awhile. For him to be this good this far into his career… I just don’t think he’s real.
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He’s 26.
And in his one other start (2010), he threw for 433 yards and 3 TDs. If there’s a reason to be worried about him, it’s INTs.
An article I read today speculated that the Packers would try to franchise him so they can trade him for draft picks.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Peter King? I read that too.
I didn’t say Flynn was old, I just said he’s been around awhile. And usually guys who are as good as Flynn looks to be have already been traded (unless we’re talking about 20 year old first-round-pick backups, which we’re not)
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No, Vince Verhei, on ESPN (Insider article).
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Peter King said the same thing. Rodgers doesn’t have the franchise tag on him already?
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Re-sign Rodgers?
Franchise Flynn?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
doesn’t the franchise tag help with cap room so they can have Rodgers on the cheap? Or, cheaper than he’d normally be?
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It does, but I’m guessing the Packers might want to lock up Rodgers for a while.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m surprised they haven’t worked out a long-term deal already. I mean, it’s not like Rodgers is getting paid badly (iirc, franchise tag is the average of the top 10 salaries at the position, and QB is the highest-paid position), but it looks pretty lame of the Packers’ FO if they keep going year-to-year with one of the best players in the game.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m not sure how football contracts really work, but due to the cap maybe they are waiting for some money to come off the books?
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Possibly yeah
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
They’re not going to be able to trade Flynn if he’s making top-five QB money. That’s dumb.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
HE SAT FOR FOUR YEARS IN GREEN BAY BEHIND AARON RODGERS
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
WHY DID THE 49ERS DRAFT ALEX SMITH AND NOT MATT FLYNN?
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
A little of both
Though it peeves me when people still talk about “the system” as if it’s a bad thing. Pretty much every QB is a “system” quarterback.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
well yeah
but there’s something to be said for being surrounded with good players and a good game plan.
Lookit what happened with Indy this year.
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You woulda thought Indy’s system would have retained at least a little luster without Manning, but holy hell they sucked.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Indy's system pretty much revolves around Manning
Also, Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky and LOL KERRY COLLINS all suck suck. As in, they really really suck.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I agree with the second sentence
But players still have to execute.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
yep.
Look at how good Brees is. But he’s throwing to Graham, Colston and Sproles and all those really, really, really good receivers in NO.
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I feel like their TEs are better than most of their receivers.
I like Colston and Meachem and those guys, but they seem like they’re just competent receivers who are getting passes from the most accurate QB in the sport.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I haven’t seen enough of Meachum to know, but Colston is the real deal. He was there in 2009 for the Super Bowl and that dude is legit. I think Meachum was there for the SB too, but Colston is the #1
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There really isn’t a #1 in NO, that’s what makes them effective. Colston will go three quarters without touching the ball, and then pull down a 40 yarder. Why? Because he’s been passing to Lance Moore and Jimmy Graham, or running it will Sproles and Ingram, or bombing it to Meachem. They’re all role players. Colston is just most traditional.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
god, that offense is so good. and you’re right, that’s exactly what makes them so good.
yesterday, the Niners were obviously passing only to Crabs or VD. The Saints go to anyone, anywhere
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That’s because Crabs and VD are their only good receivers. Obviously injuries have been a problem, but if the Niners can lure a really good receiver and push Crabtree to a #2 role and Williams to a #3 role, it could do a lot for the offense.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s what I was saying somewhere in this thread, that they need a game-changer (or maybe I just thought it). Somebody that only makes 5 catches a game but for huge gains, a downfield threat
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Desean?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
that’s exactly who I had in mind, but… he seems a little too primma-donna, a little too It’s All About Me. Then again, Crabs was the same way and he fits
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Yeah, he seems like that to me too, though he did recently apologize for the distraction that he was this season.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
You never know though
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I would hope there is a good option on the board in the 1st round in April, if they can’t get a good QB or are bullish on Kaepernick.
Other than that, maybe the success and Harbaugh fever will lure in some worthwhile FAs. You know, people better than Braylon Edwards.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think Marino’s 1984 season was still better.
Arguably no better season ever for a quarterback than Manning’s 2004, though.
This all hinges on not getting caught up on counting stats. Brees threw the ball almost 100 more times than Marino did, for instance.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
I nearly went apoplectic when Simmons tweeted
that Matt Flynn ruined Aaron Rodgers’ bid for MVP. God knows there’s never been two good QBs on one team before.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 2, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Flynn was throwing to good receivers.
But he was also throwing ACCURATELY to good receivers. Something I haven’t really seen Smith do.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
One year?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Smith appears to be getting better as the weeks go by. His passes have been a lot more accurate in recent games. I think the importance of pass protection, timing, and the new playbook have been understated.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think the problems with a QB who throws low to a receiver four yards away is also understated.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No doubt he’s done it in the past, but I didn’t see anything like that in the last game. His throws seemed very accurate to me. His right shoulder injury that required surgery in 2007 is probably the cause of his throwing problems. It’ll be the Niners informed decision on committing more money to him.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
I can think of multiple incidents from yesterday’s game that demonstrated poor “between the numbers” accuracy. The example I used was drawn from a screen pass where the receiver (or tight end, back, whatever) had to catch the ball at his knees, despite being posted at the line of scrimmage.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don’t recall this. You have to also consider the possibility that defenders are in the way.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
The receiver was behind the line of scrimmage, and it was a screen pass. He was wide open.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Usually on the screen passes you’ll have defensive lineman in the face of the QB. The QB could also be concerned about the possibility of a defender secretly waiting to intercept the ball.
I do recall a unusual screen type play in yesterdays game where the tight end or someone lined up as tight end was the intended receiver. I don’t recall it being Alex’s fault. It just seemed like it didn’t work out from a timing stand point.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Quarterbacks will throw the ball in the ground if they feel like the play hasn’t materialize as intended. That could be what you saw.
I played QB in high school, btw.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, this was none of what you described. Open passing lane, receiver cutting outside and turning back for the throw. Smith throws, receiver has to double over to catch it because it’s at his knees.
There isn’t really a good excuse for it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I didn’t see it, so I’ll just take your word for it.
The coaches see all of this when they watch game film. If Alex is missing easy passes, I’m sure they’ll take it into consideration when weighing whether to try and re-sign him or not.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Wow – a 5 line sig? Is that a record? Or just really distracting?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I think a massive wall of text at the end of each post should be prohibited.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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by can of corn on Jan 2, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Especially as it creeps to the right margin, and becomes a 7 line wall of text. Then an 8 line wall of text. And so on, and so on, and so on. . . .
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Agreed.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Seemed like a foregone conclusion, really.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what the last 2 seed to voluntarily not return their starting QB was.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Penalty shot!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions
Saved!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
A defender covered the puck with their hand in the crease
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
That was a ridiculous end to that game.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions
Man, I can't believe the Rangers won that game.
Especially since the refs seemed to want to give it to the Flyers so badly.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think Grant has been taking too many of these:
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
I hope he didn't take any of these:
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone have Apple TV 2?
I got it for Christmas. Wondering if anyone else is having issues with download times and mirroring.
GIANTS BASEBALL: HOPE LIKE HELL!
I have it
no problems as of yet
Alex Hinshaw, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE
by panda revival on Jan 2, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
2.5 Mbps
Alex Hinshaw, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE
by panda revival on Jan 2, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
That's your problem
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Especially for HD movies/shows
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry...
replying to wrong people and screwing up your conversation
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
I had slow internet when I first got it
I since changed to a faster internet provider and the download time was reduced by a few hundred points.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I went from 3 to 13-16
night/day difference. it was painful at 3 mbps
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Brett Pill turns into a Hall of Famer
but I have my doubts. it doesn’t seem very likely.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 2, 2012 3:34 PM PST reply actions
I’m conflicted… I hate the Steelers, but I also hate the Tebows.
Mendenhall has torn ACL, done for season.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Steelers win, Broncos defense wrecks Roethlisberger.
Steelers get embarrassed by either the Bengals or Texans the following week.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The Bengals don’t like the Steelers either, but I think somebody would have to play the Pats or the Ravens.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
If the Steelers win they have to play either the #1 or the #2 seed
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Important OT: On my way to cash in a gift card...
Skyrim or The Old Republic?
Never played any Elder Scrolls game and I’m a huge Star Wars fan. I have a month of nights with no GF so I can get immersed and not annoy her.
Which one should I get?
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Jan 2, 2012 3:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Skyrim from what I've heard
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Skyrim
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 2, 2012 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
It’s almost like an MMO without the douches. and lots and lots of mods, especially with the Mod Kit soon to be released.
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 2, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
I really enjoy(ed) Skyrim, but Star Wars looks awesome.
If you are not MMO averse, Star Wars is pretty much KOTOR 3. But there’s also the monthly fees to consider.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I got Skyrim for xmas, just got the chance to start playing it this week. I’m enjoying it quite a bit.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Went with Skyrim. Can’t wait to put the kiddo to bed.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Jan 2, 2012 7:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll bet you are still playing it right now. That game is so awesome.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I didn’t get to play it last night and I feel so empty inside right now. Can’t wait to fire it up again.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I’ll wait for it to get cheaper before I buy it. I may rent it again though. If you are wondering why I am skimping on my video games it’s because I’M GONNA GET THE GALAXY NEXUS WHOOHOO!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Got it. Love it. It’s a thing of beauty.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I stopped playing Skyrim for SW:TOR
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
It's like you were there w/ Bochy when he made his resolutions
“I Won’t Pass Judgment on Aubrey Huff Until After His First 500 At-Bats”
Over
Almost time for the Sharks to get killdid.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I don't know why Im even considering watching it.
I know it’s going to look like slow motion after that Winter Classic game.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
They’ll come out fast and furious, have a buncha fights and whatnot… and end up losing it in OT.
Or they’ll come out flat and just suck throughout the whole game, which is usually what they do after such a long lay off… I just kinda think since it’s the ’nucks and they just lost to them in agonizing fashion that they might show some fire.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
When I start z-ing by front office/offseason decisions
It becomes apparent to me that I am over it. Just start the season already.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 5:02 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, somebody needs to break out that beating a dead horse animated gif and post it for every Belt/Pill, Crawford/anybody, who’s in the outfield discussion.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I’ve already made my peace with the fact that once more, the on-field product will be less than it should be.
But I’ll slap on my jerseys and watch the games anyway.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Yeah, that long discussion yesterday about the Giants’ finances was mind-numbingly boring.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I haven’t been in a thread in probably a week and a half. Sounds like I shouldn’t go back and review what I missed.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
definitely not, you’ve missed nothing.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
As someone contributing to the problem, I’m in this line.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’ve been laying low over in the Community Prospect List for a while now.
Come on over! Its significantly less depressing than the main thread discussions recently.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 2, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t had time to look at those, but it sounds like I should.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
or just visit the New Years thread before it gets pushed off the front page
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/29/2668322/ot-new-year
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm beginning to think drinking all day New Years day as well was a mistake
Holy hell do I feel awful
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Happy for Oregon and all, but what a dumb end to what as otherwise a great Rose Bowl.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
STOP LEAVING ME IN SUSPENSE COCO!
Hardball Talk @HardballTalk 8m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Coco Crisp has decided where he’ll sign dlvr.it/13FnSQ #mlb #hbt
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This picture of LaMichael James would've been more fun if they lost
The first six innings are overrated.
Too many penalties!!
STOP IT!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
TRADE WILLIS, ALDON, JUSTIN SMITH, GORE, CRABTREE FOR ANDREW LUCK!!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I just realized that it is officially the year of Legend of Korra.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Whoa… starring David Faustino.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ferriero my wayward son…
There’ll be goals when you are done…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I just saw the Cabin in the Woods trailer, and this is my impression:
If Adam survived like Voldemort and rebuilt the Initiative to get revenge on college freshmen, you get Cabin in the Woods.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Excellent usage of deep Buffy trivia on that one
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the movie does combine Joss Whedon and Drew Goddard, so it seemed like diving into the pool was necessary.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Amy Acker was supposed to be in it but her name’s not on the poster.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
She’s listed on imdb, as is Tom Lenk.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
But neither of them are on the poster. Her web site, though, (shut up, like you’ve never been on it) has all sorts of interviews with her about it so maybe we’ll get Fred. Hope they’re in it because it’ll be weird seeing a Joss-thing without one of the members of his acting troupe in it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well, it’s probably not a starring vehicle for any of them. You only really see the four main kids in the trailer, too.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
Adam and the Initiative pre-dates Goddard’s contributions, though it’s possible he was a lowly assistant.
Even if he wasn’t, I’m sure he’s familiar with the material.
I’m not seriously suggesting this, though. Even if a few of the sets that get teased in the trailer look a lot like they were salvaged from season 4.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve decided to declare myself eligible for the 2012 MLB amateur draft.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 6:34 PM PST reply actions
You're about 60?
You are the right age for the Giants.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Exactly my thought process!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 2, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Only counts for SEC teams
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
BLACKMON!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
WTH???
You WANT this game to go to overtime?
STOP DRAWING STUPID PENALTIES!!!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It’s so nice to watch an offense that doesn’t shut down in the red zone for once.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
These comments are starting to get confusing.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
From what I understand, the Sharks just gave up a goal off a Andrew Luck corner-kick.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Jan 2, 2012 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Andrew Luck is so good on set pieces. I think that goal made it 30-Love.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
GAH FUCK FUCK FUCK
It would be nice to get our 2 best defenders back. It would also be nice to get our 4th best defender back. And our best midfield player.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 2, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been actively rooting against Arsenal just because you’re so into it. It’s fun.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
And I see the Spurs are still in the top 4 and haven’t been knocked down to 5th as was predicted to happen
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
I predicted that, like, yesterday. There is still months of football to be played.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 2, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Man, last weekend was crazy. Amazingly, Arsenal was the one of the only teams not to choke.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 2, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
Lions just now recovering from Matt Millen
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Old but good
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sight-of-matt-millen-on-tv-simply-too-much-for-nat,26356/
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
What a pitiful power play!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That's the spirit, Grant!
There’s nothing wrong with the Giants! A real fan just roots for anything and everything in the uniform!
Go Lakers!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
what the fuuuuuuuuck stanford sharks ?!?!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I really don’t see a reason not to air it out to end the half. Giving OSU the last word to end the half is a terrible idea.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This constantly frustrates me watching the NFL. I can’t remember the last team I saw that got the ball with the half ticking down and tried anything more aggressive than hoping like hell that a five-yard dink would meet a random defensive collapse.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
KC did it against Green Bay and scored a TD.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Awesome. And I mean that. I would have liked to see that.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
I was really happy too. It was the first TD the offense scored in like 3 games (and another after it).
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m still stinging from the way the 49ers closed the half against the Seahawks a couple weeks ago.
“Get the ball to Hunter and get out of the half. But make it a short pass, so it looks like we’re trying.”
“Oh shit, Hunter got us a bunch of yards. What do we do now?”
“Let’s dick around for three downs and see what’s left on the clock.”
“Still plenty of time left on the clock, but at least it’s running.”
“Oh shit, the clock is running!”
“Time out!”
“Wait, there’s too much time left on the clock.”
“Time to get aggressive.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
LOL STANFORD
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
AIR IT OUT OK STATE!!!
LEZGO OFFENSE
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
video: mlb.com looks at Bagwell's Hall of Fame credentials
MLB.com executive correspondent Richard Justice discusses Jeff Bagwell’s Hall of Fame credentials
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20043491&topic_id=26016984
Wait, so he was teammates with Ken Caminiti, Luis Gonzalez and Roger Clemens, and “he got really big”?
I can’t blame people for suspecting he took ‘roids, even if there’s no proof.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
Suspicion is one thing. Refusal to vote for him on the basis of guilt by association is another.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’m going to laugh so hard if proof comes out that Rickey Henderson took steroids.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Please fix your sig block so that it’s not so long. Please.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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by can of corn on Jan 2, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I am so tired of the whole ‘roid thing. I didn’t like it, but there was widespread use, and it wasn’t against the rules – people need to get over it.
It was against the rules since 1991 but nothing could be done about it.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It was against the law.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Timmy smokes weed
That’s against the law
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Okay. Sure. Whatever. It happened.
and I’ll wager that it’s still happening today, but detection technology / banned substance definition is behind the curve.
Have you heard the speculation about Braun? That players could be using patches to boost their testosterone production at night and then by the time of a test it’s returned to under the limit for testing, so it comes up negative.
No clue whether there’s anything to it. Or whether Braun did it. Or whether it actually helped Braun at all if he did use it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yay Sharks.
Kinda. Shoulda never gone that far
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
LUCK
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Andrew Luck scored the last goal for the Sharks on the 5 yard line?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Thank God he didn't go to Notre Dame.
ESPN would shit its pants with glee.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
ESPN.com does have a Stanford blog (one of only two teams to have their own blog on ESPN.com)
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was more referring to the "Luck of the Irish" headlines four times a week.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Ah
The awful puns.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah. Though I do feel that ESPN has an unhealthy fascination with Notre Dame, given the fact that their football team hasn’t been relevant in like 20 years.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They do make fun of Lou Holtz when the college crew does their weekly picks because he always picks Notre Dame (except twice: once in a bet lost and once for South Florida, coached by Skip Hotlz).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
HAI GAIZ
WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST WIDE RECEIVERS IN THE COUNTRY AND STANFORD HAS WEAK CORNERS SO LET’S KEEP RUNNING THE BALL INTO THE INTERIOR OF STANFORD’S DEFENSE. OH WAIT, THAT’S NOT ME, THAT’S MIKE GUNDY. GAHHHHH
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Migrating with my rage to Every Day Should Be Saturday
Catch you all later
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
he's a man
he’s 40
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
44 now!
Ten percent more man.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
shift-A
I am not going to give Brett Pill a chance.
I’ll root for him once he suits up, but he’s a wasted roster spot with the big club.
I will root for Brett Pill
Like how I rooted for Dustin Hermanson, Lance Niekro, and Brandon Medders.
Like with your eyes closed, pretending that they aren’t actually there on the field?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Andrew Luck is your QB Stanford
Stop lining him up at WR
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Man, OSU is going to be awful after Blackmon leaves.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I feel kind of bad for them because this was their year and they got fucked by the BCS.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Blackmon is so hard to tackle
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
they’re playing right in to stanford’s hands
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Yup. Left 'em too much time.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
i understand how the Laker fans here want the Giants to spend all the ticket $, panda hat $, beard $ and garlic fry $ on making the team better. i am a socialist too. and like the aforementioneds i also would run a multimillion $ bizness completely into the ground for the sake of a Reyes to Pill to Pujols double play.
...
huh?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Those fat cats won't shell out for Brett Pill!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The wall of text is over!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Mister Gorbachev, tear down this sig!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
only a fascist would fail to understand this logic
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Only the Sith speak in absolutes.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
From my point of view, it is the Jedi who are evil!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
So if we hate the Giants FO, we are not only Lakers fans, but socialists?
Huh.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 2, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
and apparently we want brett pill to play 2nd
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Don’t worry about it. The word “socialist” was stripped of its last shred of discernable meaning sometime in 2008.
by BestHyperboleEver on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, if you believe the liberal media.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
99% of those who use the term “socialist” have no idea what that means.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I mean, I’m a socialist, but I’m no Lakers fan.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
“Put some of the money that your business makes back into your business so that it can keep on making even MORE money.” – some shit Karl Marx said all the time.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Already a tired schtick
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
yeah if he keeps it up, he's not going to be around much longer.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
This is the best football game I’ve seen this year.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
This game is amazing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Very evenly matched, but it seems like giving OSU even fifteen seconds is too much at this point.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Christ, Luck is amazing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Stewart's had a fantastic game, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Matt Millen is a moron
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If he loves helmet to helmet to hits so much...
Actually, maybe he should marry one.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
JOHN HARBAUGH!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
SHIT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Shanked
You have Andrew Luck .
TRY AND SCORE A TD
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
seriously
that was some greg roman shit there
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Speaking of which, finalist for the Penn State job.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
can you win in OT with a 2-pt conversion?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
i think after the 3rd OT you have to go for two
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Awful playcalling
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
UGH what the fuck was that playcalliing?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Gotta go for it. OSU is a machine.
Not gonna do it.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Oh man this kicker
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Why use the kicker? OSU scores at will.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Are you paying attention, Jim?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh, great.
Stanford gets to lose a second time.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh for fuck's sake just call it a TD
Not even the Niners’ D can get out of that mess.
Don't stir the hornet's nest.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Did u not see what just happened Gundy
TRY AND SCORE A TD
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Completely disagree
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Really? OSU had a man sprinting toward the end zone within moments of possessing the ball.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And they’d been marching down field with impunity for the past two quarters.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It's only the right move for Shaw
if he doesn’t like working at Stanford.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Seriously
You put the game on the foot of a freshman kicker instead of the hands of Andrew Luck.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
On the foot of a kicker who was 10/11 in such situations.
I still disagree.
Hindsight analysis is great and all, but when you secure a 90%+ chance of victory, you don’t risk that.
No, never mind.
Greater than that!
If you call overtime a 50% proposition, Shaw decided not to risk a 95% chance of victory. I’m not going to complain about that decision.
Disagree.
Williamson was injured midseason and had already missed a short-ish field goal in a dome. What part of that inspires confidence in anything in him?!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He’s made them before, hasn’t he?
What’s a kicker there for, if you aren’t going to use him at the end of games?
They’re there to kick when your team fails to advance 10 yards in three tries when you are less the 35 yards from the endzone.
They could have AT LEAST tried a few quick passes to try and sew it up.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Since they still had timeouts, my preference would’ve been running up the middle. OSU really wasn’t able to stop them at all.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
1 in 20 chance of losing!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Look at my post above. I was against it all the way.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Oh. I think there's a disconnect here.
I’m supporting the decision process at the end of the 4th. You’re attacking the OT decision.
I’m not sure what I think about the OT decision.
Andrew Luck vs. a freshman kicker
I’ll put my trust in Andrew Luck. You can take the freshman kicker.
And it wasn’t like it was a gimmee FG.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I liked that they at least got the ball off the hash-mark, but Jeezy Creezy. The offense gets you 55 yards in 90 lazy seconds, but to go push the final 25 in the last minute with three timeouts? Nah. Too risky.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s what the Ok. St. defense is, though.
Gives up large swaths of yards in exchange for the best defense in college football at getting turnovers. That defense had already taken 2 possessions away from Luck, and it easily could have happened again.
What Shaw did was decide to take the ball out of the hands of the Cowboys offense for the rest of regulation, and I respect that priority. It may not have been the best choice, but I don’t think it merits the unmitigated ire that it’s getting here.
One of those takeaways had nothing to do with OSU, though. They were primed to give up another 25.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No, it was still a pretty dumb idea. My sense (I may be wrong) is that the reason they give up large gains is because they’re all too willing to jump routes, which leads to success (interceptions!) or huge failures (80 yd TD!). I’d give the ball to Taylor as many times as it took to get into the end zone or the clock down to one more play, and only kick a field goal when I absolutely had to.
It was dumb playcalling.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’m just feeling very miserable right now. Give it a couple of days, and I’ll get over it.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Weeden’s not!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Weeden is old enough to be dregarx’s dad.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So yes, ‘kid’.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 3, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions
I think that’s a really good FG opportunity for the kicker.
Solidarity called it a cupcake downthread.
But I do note that he looked bad earlier in the game.
35 yards is very makeable of course
But it wasn’t like it was an extra point.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I know nothing about football, and even I was going ‘No way you kick it here, no way, OSU is gonna be right at the end zone, FG won’t cut it and dude seriously just missed….’
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Who was 1/3 on the night at makable distances, and had missed a cupcake two minutes previously.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Er, meant to be in response to DFARowand, but the point stands.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
My biggest issue is the playcalling both at the end of the 4th quarter and in OT
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yeah, me too. The Greg Roman analogy above was very apt, except they actually have a quarterback who can score in the end zone. They pretty much took the ball out of his hands.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Exactly
David Shaw called that last two min like his QB was Alex Smith and his kicker was David Akers.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Inflammable means flammable?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
means very flammable
‘in’ is an intensifier. think, ‘invaluable’
by wcw on Jan 2, 2012 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Watch your step, there.
It’s a Dr. Nick reference from the Simpsons.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
hell no was that the right move for shaw
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Luck was 27/31 for 347 yards
And you’re gonna leave it up to a kicker who has already missed a FG that was just slightly longer than that attempt? No thanks…
You must put more effort into your trolling, young Padawan.
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-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
GO LAKERS!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Only 3 of his passes weren’t caught that game.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Where were all of you for the Holiday Bowl?
on second thought, it’s better that no one watched.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 2, 2012 9:30 PM PST via Android app reply actions
When was the last time Cal won the Rose Bowl?
Hint: Lou Gehrig was still active.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Eh, I went to school during four of the five Holmoe coached years at Cal so I’m well aware of Cal’s mediocrity. I may not see Cal reach the Rose Bowl in my lifetime. Shit happens though.
Some talk about the “tradition of the Rose Bowl”. They beat Alabama that day.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Next year, just win the Pac-12 North. Only Oregon will be a sure thing to do well.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
USC still can’t play in the title game next season, correct?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yes we can. We have scholarship reductions, but no post-season ban anymore.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
They’ve basically set up the conference championship game to be Oregon-USC for the next 10 years.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
With Luck gone, it won’t be Stanford.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Probably. I could see them being a sleeper pick though, but losing Martin and DeCastro is going to suck too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah. I don’t know who they’re grooming for QB, but they’re losing their pass protection too, and Owusu and Fleener. Hopefully the defense stays tough up the middle, at the very least.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nottingham. Owusu was essentially a nonfactor for most of the year, especially after he became exhibit A for why I can’t watch football in general (I hate the brutality and injuries). They’re going to get Skov back, who should be an absolute monster.
I was really surprised that they got absolutely no pressure on Weeden at all tonight. That was really disappointing.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Owusu was a non-factor, but he’s another player that they’re losing all the same.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Stanford will be very good again next year. The recruiting work has been top-notch, and we were having this same conversation last year, and the year before, about losing key players. Other folks have come up to fill the void every time.
Losing three top 15 draft-pick-talents is hard. They’ll probably be better than I think next year, but I’m not going to kid myself and think that a national championship might be within reach.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
In other news, congratulations to Florida for being named to the 2013 Rose Bowl.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Rose Bowl tradition went out the window when the BCS was born and in 2001 Miami beat Nebraska.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Hey man
Greatest college football team of all time. I’ll excuse them… not those 2004 Longhorns though. They can GTFO
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Is old
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
I hate college kickers
Brandon Weeden being older than Matt Ryan should automatically disqualify OSU.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
He’s older than Alex Smith…
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Aaron Rodgers..
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
He’s a college student.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Still watching Prime 9 on MLB Network. Number 4 on the best arms is Jose Guillen. One highlight was Guillen as a Pirate throwing out Neifi Perez at third from the warning track in RF at Coors. Two of the worst Giants ever in the same highlight.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He really did have a great arm when he was younger
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
They had a top 50 list of the best throws, and his throw in Colorado was number one.
"i am a socialist too."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the video of Guillen throwing out Perez in 1998
"i am a socialist too."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 2, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
LOL STANFORD
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
LOL Andrew Luck
He loses his last college game and will join the Colts.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe
I’m not ruling out the Colts trading the pick
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Thank God they lost to the the Jaguars.
The Rams would’ve made out like bandits.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
still will
some team will love rg3
i dont see them keeping the pick
even if they really like that usc tackle
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not so sure. They could take Kalil to try and give some protection for Bradford.
They could trade the pick, but I would expect the RG3 pick to be traded from a team in the 3-6 range: Minnesota, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, Washington. Maybe Jacksonville at 7, but he might be off the board by then.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They’d be crazy to do it. And I can’t see a brand new GM feeling good enough about his job to take that risk.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
As OSU attempted to ice the kicker, one of my friends told me, “he’ll go wide right.” Another one said, “he’ll slip and it’ll come up short.” I promised to stab them all if something like that happened.
After, one of them said very quietly, “well, no one called wide left.”
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Hey...Sharks won
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 PM PST via Android app reply actions
On national TV, no less
That’s supposed to be an auto-loss for them.
So this was the first official game for the NBC Sports Network as opposed to Versus.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It’s a rebranding. I heard the same will be done for the CSN networks so CSN Bay Area could soon be called NBC Sports Bay Area.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And you’ll be seeing the NBC logo during Giants games not on NBC Bay Area 11.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’m guessing still Miller/Krukow.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It will be the same crew except for the CSN Bay Area to NBC Sports Bay Area name change and a logo change on the NBCSBA telecasts.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I don’t know, I thought Versus was branded like a Spike TV wannabe, so I don’t mind it too much. If anything, it probably lends the channel some needed credibility.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Didn’t Sabean, early after the season, comment that Pill won’t be starting and isn’t going to get the “lion’s share” of playing time?
If so, I wonder if Bochy knows about it. Because Bochy will play Pill every damn day until Sabean sends him back to the minors.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Yes, that wily Bochy. Always playing the rooks.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
More the underwhelming players. The Burrises, the Whitesides, the Velezes…
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
All three players you named have averaged fewer PAs per season with the Giants than Belt got last year.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Burriss and Whiteside in 2011 must’ve been pretty close though. I think Burris was only ~30 PA behind, and was even ahead until they decided to play Belt down the stretch.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yes, well. Whiteside and Burriss would obviously not have been in that position but for special circumstances, and Belt lost six weeks to a broken wrist.
The only instance of one of the three of them playing when they were taking meaningful playing time from obviously better players was Velez in ’09. And even then, he only got 300 PAs because he was playing four positions. All of them poorly.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Burriss '12!
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The last five MLBT Giants-specific headlines
This is more or less gag-worthy:
1. Giants Sign Boof Bonser
2. Checking In On Baseball’s Lowest Scoring Offenses
3. Giants, Lincecum Far Apart In Extension Talks
4. Extension Candidate: Madison Bumgarner
5. Extension Candidate: Matt Cain
And yet, somehow, I’ll still be just as big a fan next season. God help me, I’m a part of the reason the Giants do this shit, not a part of the solution.
by Ian A on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
the giants project Burriss/Crawford to be a valuable platoon
Burriss attempts to hit the lefties, while Crawford attempts to hit the righties.
What more can you ask for, Rollins? Reyes? Renteria?
A meaningless proposition
Last offseason, do you think the Twins would have traded J.J. Hardy, who was coming off his age 28 season, for Jonathan Sanchez, who was also coming off his age 28 season? What about, say, Sanchez and Ryan Verdugo, the exact package that Sanchez was traded for, netting us Melky Cabrera? I’d say they would, since Hardy was actually traded for two relief prospects, one of whom is only a month younger than Sanchez.
After his 2010? Of course.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
To be fair, I certainly wouldn’t have traded him then. The Giants needed him.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Yeah.
Nobody knew about Ryan Vogelsong.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I mostly agree with this
and Solidarity’s comment above. I probably would have, but that’s because Hardy’s been my white whale forever. I respect the fact that that is not the majority opinion.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't realize (or had forgotten) we gave up Verdugo in that trade.
Bleh.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
OT: Star Wars the Old Republic
is my new favorite internet videogame.
Fuck Armageddon, this is hell.
Curse yooooou. At least they are mulling a Mac port now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’ve never enjoyed questing in an MMO before. This game makes it engaging and fun.
Fuck Armageddon, this is hell.
I’ve been following some coverage on YouTube, and it really looks like it’s worth it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Less than a month into the game and already over a million subscribers. Not too shabby.
Fuck Armageddon, this is hell.
Hell, they had over a million pre-orders. Bioware's gonna make out like bandits.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
ive heard stories for people being banned for swearing
not public swearing but in whispers
thats a little weak imo
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 3, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
I actually have the top review on Amazon for that game
Crazy, I know, you’d think I like to share my opinion or something. Now if they would just properly fix the hard mode flashpoints bug on 1/4…
Aeo / cantfix.us
Happy back to work day
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 AM PST reply actions
Thus begins the bizarre 3 month period of the year in which I have to wear a tie to work.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Weird. Me too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Why do you have to do it?
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I work for the state legislature and session is from January through March.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That’s all? Lazy bum politicians!
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I find it strange that other states have full time legislatures. I actually feel bad for the people here though, having to travel across the state during the worst part of winter.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Hey, those sports teams aren’t going to honor themselves.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
What about you? You guys have offseason meetings or something?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yeah, I think that this is the time that we try to impress potential sponsors, so we need to look professional. As soon as the season starts, it’s back to Clippers polos.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
I downloaded a tie knot tying app on my phone so I’m rocking a new knot today. I can’t remember what it is called though :/
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
El Person needs this
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions
This one ?
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/how-to-tie-a-tie-free/id378478530?mt=8
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Andriod Version
http://www.appbrain.com/app/necktie-knot/com.amazingdroid.content.necktie
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
After reading about the Stanford game I think we made the right decision to turn it off and go to bed. Sounds like that was quite the torture.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I felt bad for their place kicker more than I was mad about the result
Also, I am glad Luck had a good last game. I wonder if the Colts take him first overall or trade the pick?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 3, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Depends largly on Manning
I would take Luck in a second, unless someone gave me a trade that I could not say no to.
Blerg
They have to take him.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
I just don’t see how they can’t. Do you really sit and wait to find a better option to eventually replace your 36-year-old superstar with neck problems? If Manning is good, they won’t get another pick high enough, and if he’s bad, they won’t get Luck. Do it. Do it now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
And by bad, I mostly mean, too hurt to play enough to be good.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
but maybe they like that other guy better? dude who won the Heisman? Which qb would fit better into peyton’s offense?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I believe Luck is more of a pockety guy than Griffin, but I’ve also not seen Griffin play much.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Luck would.
Though he would need the 3-4 years sitting behind Peyton to do so
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
My new years resolution
Is to be happier and less negative, so if that means rooting for Pill, so be it. But as to this
his dreams over the next year (and decade) would make all of us happy if they were to come true.
I can’t help but look at him and picture his top 3 dreams being 1. Owning a candy shoppe, 2. Sleeping with a super model, 3. Climbing Mount Everest
and I don’t know how happy those would make folks around here.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 3, 2012 8:48 AM PST reply actions
Methinks said candy shoppe should be near ye olde blacksmith
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Jan 3, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Because Melky Cabrera ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
True
I believe Giants front office when they say Huff in LF and Belt at 1B. Until… April of course.
Blerg
First chop of the new year!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I think Brandon Belt will be in the opening day lineup.
I am also mad.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
I think Belt will actually get a chance
While Bochy may keep trying to put out veterans over rookies, perhaps Sabean can limit his options with some trades or releases.
Irrational Conor Gillaspie fanboy.
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