The Future of the Giants' Payroll
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM PST
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PrintThe Pablo contract helps us look into the future. Please spit out any pistachios you might have in your mouth when you remember the $7 million buyout for Zito and the part about Rowand. This site can't be responsible for lawsuits:
| Age | Contract Status | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 ▾ | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Barry Zito | 33 | 7 yrs/$126M (07-13) & 14 team option | $19M | $20M | $7M [FA-*] |
| Ryan Vogelsong | 33 | 2 yrs/$8.3M (12-13) & 14 team option | $3M | $5M | $300k [FA-*] |
| Pablo Sandoval | 24 | 1 yr/$500k (11) | $3.2M | $5.7M | $8.25M |
| Sergio Romo | 28 | 1 yr/$450k (11) | Arb-1 | Arb-2 | Arb-3 |
| Buster Posey | 24 | 1 yr/$575k (11) | Pre-Arb-2 | Arb-1 | Arb-2 |
| Madison Bumgarner | 21 | 1 yr/$450k (11) | Pre-Arb-2 | Pre-Arb-3 | Arb-1 |
| Dan Runzler | 26 | 1 yr/$419k (11) | Pre-Arb-2 | Pre-Arb-3 | Arb-1 |
| Nate Schierholtz | 27 | 1 yr/$433k (11),1 yr/$1.3M (12) | $1.3M | Arb-2 | Arb-3 |
| Eli Whiteside | 31 | 1 yr/$425k (11),1 yr/$600k (12) | $600k | Arb | Arb |
| Brandon Belt | 23 | 1 yr/$414k (11) | Pre-Arb | Pre-Arb-2 | Pre-Arb-3 |
| Tim Lincecum | 27 | 2 yrs/$23M (10-11) | Arb-3 | Arb-4 | FA |
| Brian Wilson | 29 | 2 yrs/$15M (11-12) | $8.5M | Arb | FA |
| Santiago Casilla | 31 | 1 yr/$1.3M (11),1 yr/$2.2M (12) | $2.2M | Arb | FA |
| Mike Fontenot | 31 | 1 yr/$1.05M (11),1 yr/$1.05M (12) | $1.05M | Arb | FA |
| Matt Cain | 26 | 3 yrs/$27.25M (10-12) | $15M | FA | |
| Aubrey Huff | 34 | 2 yrs/$22M (11-12) & 13 team option | $10M | $2M [FA-*] | |
| Freddy Sanchez | 33 | 2 yrs/$12M (10-11),1 yr/$6M (12) | $6M | FA | |
| Jeremy Affeldt | 32 | 3 yrs/$14M (10-12) | $5M | FA | |
| Melky Cabrera | 26 | 1 yr/$6M (12) | $6M | FA | |
| Angel Pagan | 29 | 1 yr/$4.85M (12) | $4.85M | FA | |
| Javier Lopez | 33 | 1 yr/$2.38M (11) | FA | ||
| Guillermo Mota | 37 | 1 yr/$925k (11),1 yr/$1M (12) | $1M | FA | |
| Aaron Rowand | $11.52M | ||||
Them's the cold numbers. But look closer. Enhance!
2014
Pablo Sandoval
Sergio Romo
Buster Posey
Madison Bumgarner
Brandon BeltEstimated total salary: $21 million or so, though there's a possibility that Belt could hit .428 over the next three years and become a Super Two.
Five players. $21 million. If the Giants' payroll doesn't increase, that gives them $110 million to fill out the roster with 20 more players.
But the Giants' payroll will probably increase. Since the new park opened, it's increased an average of $6.3 million per year. In just 2009, the total payroll was $82 million. That's including Barry Zito and everything. It's up almost $50 million since then. So when you think of the Giants being cheap, remember that they're not so much cheap as we are newly spoiled.
Still would like to have seen Beltran back, though, in case I've been too vague and wishy-washy on that subject.
This is what the offseason of nothing has set up. For all of the jokes about rainy day funds, the Giants won't have a lot of future payroll commitments in 2014. Nothing like they have had, at least. And if they extend Cain and Lincecum, they'll still have money to play with. If they sign Cain? That leaves about $90 million left for 19 players. Lincecum extension? Now we're at $65 million, at least for 18 players.
Factor in some help from the farm -- Gary Brown making the minimum would be quite helpful, as would Brandon Crawford developing into a useful player -- and the Giants' plan starts to crystallize. You can see how a $15 million Jimmy Rollins hobbling around would make a difference, even if he'd help the Giants win right now.
My biggest problem with the strategy is that I don't trust the guy in charge of the expense account to not fritter away a few million on a Jeremy Affeldt here, and a few million on a Willie Bloomquist there. Everyone likes to laugh at the Vlad quote, but it's not that funny. It's a serious organizational philosophy. Aw, heck, one more time:
If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, [Pedro] Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and [Michael] Tucker--obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
That's a quote from a serious person. I'd wager that Sabean would stand by that quote even today. Spreading the money around has always been a favorite strategy of his. If the Giants lock up Cain and Lincecum, they'll still have some money to spread around in a couple of years. And that sort of scares me.
But the Pablo deal made me look at the Giants' future payroll, and that's not a bad thing. They'll need help from the minors, and they'll need to stop being stupid with their money, but they already have Brandon Belt, Madison Bumgarner, Pablo Sandoval, Buster Posey, and Sergio Romo making up 20 percent of the roster at what should be below-market rates. Even if they give out huge deals to Cain and Lincecum, they'll still have some flexibility.
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But what does Rob Lowe have to say about this?
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Stop. Pooping.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 18, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Stop. Hammer Time.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
yo Grant
Not enough hand wringing and kvetching. Are you sure this is you writing this?
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
And the plan does still, in large part, bank on injury-free pitching
that functions at a dominate level, and an offense that has just enough pieces to work, but no true bopper to carry the weight. They’ll rely on some scrap heap having a resurgence, but they’ll avoid the “household names” and then just hope. It really will be up to Pablo to develop into a 30-40 HR threat and for Buster Posey to generate and sustain performance as a complimentary piece a la Jeff Kent. I guess, then, Belt would be Snow and Guillermo Mota would be Mark Gardner.
Of course it does
but the idea would be that the position players would be young and productive in 2014.
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And, oh imagine the rosterbating when the Giants have tons of money to throw at free agents. Some of us might actually go blind because of it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like having to listen to “oh, he’s not *that” great" to soothe my WHY THE FUCK DIDN’T THE TEAM I LOVE SIGN A VERY PRODUCTIVE FREE AGENT WHO ADDRESSES A CRITICAL AREA OF NEED?!?! nerves seemingly every off-season. That’s only the second worst sentiment behind Old Man Sabean sitting on his porch and blowing dream-killing smoke in our faces from his corn cob pipe.
so we are assuming wilson will not be with the team at that point?
because he could take up a good chunk of change
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:22 PM PST reply actions
Trade him! Trade him now!
Or maybe after he’s healed and looks to be worth something good.
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Probably
Hembree is what scouts say are closer of future.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
ROMO!
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I meant to mention him.
I really, really, really hope he’s not with the team then. That would mean either that he’s hurt or ineffective, and I like the guy, or that he’s on the Giants making way more money than they have any business paying a reliever.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
or that he’s on the Giants making way more money than they have any business paying a reliever.
I have a feeling this will be an often used statement in the coming years, and not just in reference to Wilson.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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I figure that Sabean can get back to his roots — finding relievers in the bushes — when Affeldt and Lopez leave.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 18, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
It may be more an indictment of the salary relievers are commanding lately.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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You might hit the trifecta with that.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
They should have traded him last season
However, I think the front office considers him one of the arms to keep at this point.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think they still think that after this past season?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
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I think there was a Baer quote from a month or so ago that named Wilson specifically as someone they want to keep.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
They probably make a lot of money selling Wilson merchandise.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
At this point tho,
wouldn’t you think that if a person was going to buy a beard, they would have already?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
They don’t stay in pristine, wearable condition forever! And there’s always a new customer at the ballpark! Plus, they look adorable on babies! And have you seen them on a pet?! You’re missing out!
Well you sold me!
/goes online and buys beard
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
A guy at work came in the office, looked at my Wilson bobblehead and said, “where is his beard?” I think there is a large group of Giants fans that don’t realize that Wilson’s beard was nonexistent as recently as August of 2010.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Amazing that simply growing out his beard made him such an icon.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Romo’s beard(s)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wilson’s
2012 is going to be awesome!
by Tortured on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was given a Lincecum jersey for X-Mas but I secretly really wanted a Romo jersey.
#FirstWorldProblems
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I love Romo so much. Can’t wait to get his bobblehead.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think we can be friends anymore.
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LOL
I wonder if we’ll love Romo as much if/when he becomes the closer and every one loves him.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Well, so does winning a WS.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Here’s a pic from September 2010. Barely any beard. And a normal color. Also, SO HOT.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
He's right.
You always look like you belong on the arm of a hot baseball player.
2012 is going to be awesome!
<3
I was having a really good hair day that day.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Unless Wilson always dresses exactly the same.
My friend’s facebook profile pic is of that same night.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
He looks like a non-crazy hot person!
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
And kind of like Alex Smith. A little bit
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
OMG
He’s such a hottie when he doesn’t have that thing on his face. How does he even get laid now?
2012 is going to be awesome!
Because now he is BRIAN “Fear the Beard” WILSON
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I find him gross now. I have a picture with him from 2009 (I think), with no facial hair. I think I like the little bit of scruff.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Yeah, he looks good with a bit of scruff or a close cropped beard. But not the homeless beard
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
He's bringing in Taco Bell money.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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I bet he got that hat from Aubrey.
And yeah, Irish boys.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Not yet. SJ usually has a fan fest, which I’m hoping to go to.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Did you watch Inside the Clubhouse last night? they highlighted Krick, Susac and Oropesa. Woof to all three, but especially Susac.
2012 is going to be awesome!
Nice.
I saw you guys talking about it, so set my DVR to record a rerun of it today at 3 p.m. I can’t wait to see it!
Susac is from my area (Roseville, I think), and my mom works with people who know him.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
He went to Jesuit HS in Carmichael. I don’t know where he lives though.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 18, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Ooooooo - tell me when it is.
I might go. I missed last year (with the WS trophy and everything) because of feverish kids.
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Mine doesn’t have one, and people ask me the same question.
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That’s what sharpies are for.
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I might be the only person without a bobblehead. :(
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by calgiants86 on Jan 18, 2012 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The only one I have is Madbum in Fresno, which was a gift.
Well, I have the Mythbusters and Tim Gunn, but I don’t think they count.
2012 is going to be awesome!
I ain’t got no bobbley heads. We had a Barry Bonds one, the cat knocked it off the shelf. Bye bye Barry.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Just looking around the room, I have the Barry Bonds HR counter, Luchador Lou, Crazy Crab, Jon Miller, Aubrey Huff and Stretch McCovey.
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between the cat being clueless and us being clumsy things that are breakable don’t survive very long around here.
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I’ve put some up remarkably high to avoid that fate; others are moderately high and out of cat range with threats of death to the children for any unlawful touching.
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I had the Timmy bobblehead in 2010 for about 4 hours before I got hammered and dropped/broke it.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
The beard has played out. It was a fun thing during the WS run, now it’s just a tired parody of itself. And it’s disgusting. I would welcome a clean-shaven Wilson in spring training 2012 to help shake out the bad ju-ju from 2011.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson is tired of it too. But it’s making him a metric butt-ton of money, so I can’t blame him for keeping it attached to his face.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Cut it off for the kids!
How about reprising Joe Namath and cut it off for money (but charity would be the way to go)
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Do you really think it’s making him that much at this point? The bloom is off the WS rose (there’s a new champion, even), and he’s not getting the press he used to.
He may as well make some money for charity and shave the effing thing off.
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It gives him media visibility, and even if he isn’t pulling in endorsements, it could honestly factor into his next contract. He’ll be overpaid for the same reason Lincecum will be overpaid: brand recognition.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Hmm. I’m having a hard time believing that there are many teams that would overpay for that kind of attention whoring. Giants fans dig it because he’s our attention whore (I exclude myself from that general “our” – I think it’s lame); I’m not certain it would carry across to another team.
And LOL at the Lincecum part.
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They’re not paying for attention whoring. They’re paying to put butts in seats, as is the case with all baseball players.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
But the point stands – do you really think fans in other towns would find Wilson as charming as the ones in SF?
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Wrong--
Baer is dumb enough to overpay him, Sabean isn’t. And Wilson is the one guy the Giants have leverage with, if he appears healthy look forr him to sign an extension for less than Heath Bell got. Poor as we are we can afford The Beach Boy.
by Billy Swift on Jan 19, 2012 8:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And he's a perfect fit
along with lopez and affeldt from the left, and Serge, (who is too ffrail to be everyday closer) and Casilla, (who is injury concern) Love the pen, Wilson IS needed!
by Billy Swift on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He needs a new schtick. Like a handlebar moustach or a forked viking beard
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Not just merchandise
They probably make a lot of money selling Wilson merchandise.
I think Wilson sells tickets. Not in a “Let’s by Giants tickets because Wilson might pitch” way.
Imagine someone going to their first game and it’s a save situation. “Jump Around” starts playing and people start dancing and going nuts. That’s the time of thing that makes a game feel like a “happening” and makes it fun for the most casual of fans.
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Actually, the Baer quote was from the first Inside The Clubhouse a few weeks ago.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
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Damnit! That would've been the funniest thing ever
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Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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omg we have to pay barry zito 20 million
NEXT YEAR, then 7 million to go away. /VOMITS
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM PST reply actions
sorry i just had not thought about it in a while
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t know about the $7 million buy out. I think my day is officially ruined.
by TakeTheBlack on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
***fingers in ears****
notlisteningnotlisteningnotlisteningnotlisteningnotlistening
Giants must go to basement
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 PM PST reply actions
Not before I move out of there.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
under 3 and a half hours till we get reddit back!
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:32 PM PST reply actions
As a throw-in, sure.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's probably more valuable on the Giants as "able to throw with his left hand" insurance.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
yea youngish lefty who throws hard
always needed in MLB
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
HAWT
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Darvish, rangers agree to main terms. Just wrapping it up.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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What's everyone's $$ guess?
I’m saying 75mil
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
6 years 100 M back loaded with opt outs for both sides.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Including the posting fee, right?
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The posting fee was $50 million or something right?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
$51.7 million to be exact.
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Thanks, Rangers add to our nation’s trade deficit. Take a job away from a red-blooded (possibly Caribbean) friend from the west(ern hemisphere).
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And all to lose in the WS again when Ron Washington mismanages his bullpen again
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Im going with 6 years 66 mil
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6 years 63 million
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Rec'd for Dave Chapelle.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Also, Giants, yo, look how little money you have committed in 2014
Sign Fielder! Pay him 10 million a year for the next 2 years and by then you’ll have tons of room in the payroll to give out the rest of the 150 million you owe him!
In the meantime, dingers!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
hmmmm
i DO love dingers
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hey everyone, do you really want to hear about the salary situation?
Or do you want to watch me hit a few dingers?!
by djfivenine on Jan 18, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In memoriam
Baggs’ projected 2014 lineup:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2611169.html
Catcher - Buster Posey
First Base - Brandon Belt
Second Base - Brandon Crawford
Third Base - Pablo Sandoval
Shortstop - Ehire Adrianza
Left Field - Thomas Neal
Center Field - Gary Brown
Right Field - Francisco Peguero
No. 1 Starter - Tim Lincecum
No. 2 Starter - Matt Cain
No. 3 Starter - Madison Bumgarner
No. 4 Starter - Jonathan Sanchez
No. 5 Starter - Zack Wheeler
Closer - Brian Wilson
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Woah.. Ehire over Crawford at short?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Yeah
it’s a little off…Panik and Crawford would likely be the home grown MIs but I heard Adrianza is pretty good.
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Took me a second to realize this is a year old.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
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lol Thomas Neal
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yeah lol I stopped after the first 5 names to comment.
If only I read the 6th..
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
and LOL
Zack Wheeler
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2012 list
LINK HERE
Catcher Buster Posey
First Base Tommy Joseph
Second Base Joe Panik
Third Base Pablo Sandoval
Shortstop Brandon Crawford
Left Field Brandon Belt
Center Field Gary Brown
Right Field Mekly Cabrera
No. 1 Starter Tim Lincecum
No. 2 Starter Matt Cain
No. 3 Starter Madison Bumgarner
No. 4 Starter Kyle Crick
No. 5 Starter Eric Surkamp
Closer Brian Wilson
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LOL TJ
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No way is he going to hit enough to be a first baseman.
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You down with LTP?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Not if it comes with less than league average OBP. I mean, unless we’re talking Mike Stanton LTP.
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I don’t really know how Tommy Joseph projects at this point. But I don’t see why you would put him at first base. You’d be better off trading him and having Sanchez or Susac as the back-up or full-time C.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Is it possible to have 2 catchers that both play 70-90 games behind the plate and then 50-70 games at “else” (in this case, likely 1B)
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
You mean like split duty? It’s an interesting thought, though most catchers not named Mike Napoli don’t hit quite enough to play first base so you might regard it as inefficient in that the cost of playing them at first base negates the value of having their bat in the lineup every day.
But if you had two truly great hitters who play catcher, it would probably work pretty damn well.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I refer you to Tom Haller and Ed Bailey in 1962
Catching combo extraordinaire. Every time I look at the 1962 team’s lineup and bench, I drool. They really only had two regulars who were bad hitters that year.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Man, and they didn’t even take time at first base (lol McCovey and Cepeda). Yeah, it would take catchers of that caliber for it to pan out.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
A question for the ages
How in the hell do you not give WILLIE MCCOVEY a full season of at bats in 1962? 11.5 AB per HR. 261 plate appearances. What the hell, Harvery Kuenn? You were good, but COME ON!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Just looking at 1B wRC+ leaderboards
It looks like an average 1B hits at like wRC+ 117~ish
(Carlos Pena had 2.6 WAR with a 119 wRC+, and basically 0 RAR in fielding and baserunning.)
It’s hard to tell for C, since only good C qualify, so I’d guess a wRC+ of 90 to be average? For a tandem to combo to be an above average 1B/C, my guess is they’d need to wRC+ 105 each. Posey will kill that.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
But why wouldn’t you just take an above average C and an above average 1B? I would think that would be much more feasible and cost effective than two above average C?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I want Posey to be able to play as long as possible, while not being a full time 1B.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
The trick is finding another Posey.
Maybe not someone of his caliber, but it seems like this would need to be a short term move if the aim is to preserve Posey’s health. Belt to LF, and try to teach Sanchez first base?
Also, there’s the size problem for playing first base. Posey, Susac, and Joseph are all 6’1". Sanchez is 5’11". Not exactly ideal for a first baseman.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
What odds would you put on 1+ of the 3 being able to handle 1B (offensively and defensively)?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
The odds are probably pretty good, but all four probably have a limited defensive ceiling at first base for the aforementioned height issue.
There might also be adjustments to be made for “comfort at one position,” etc., but I won’t split hairs on that account. My main problem with the theory is that this would probably be a change to be made in the near future, but the only one close to the majors is Sanchez, and he is the one least likely to be able to fit at the position.
I am reading you as wanting it to be a short-term adjustment, long-term planning move, but I could be wrong about that.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah, you read me correct.
I was on the “sign SIRM to play 70 games at catcher/else” last year.
Bochy scared me by saying he planned on using Buster 135+ games at C last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he still wants to do that this year.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
My hunch is he will see Posey get “rest” at first base on some games against LHP, with one of Belt, Huff, or Nate getting the day off depending on who’s not hitting. I am guessing he’ll start perhaps 30 games there, and get some normal off days as well, probably on getaway days. If I had to pluck a number out of the air, I’d say he starts maybe 110 games behind the dish this year, 140 overall.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
That's actually my ideal scenario.
Hopefully our backup C is competent with the bat.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I would be willing to suffer another season of Chris Stewart if it means we get Hector Sanchez major-league ready.
This is similar to my “I’ll suffer a season of Alex Gonzalez to get Brandon Crawford a goddamn full year in AAA” platform.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I can stomach 50 games from Chris Stewart way easier than 150 games from Agon.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Also, if it is Chris Stewart.
And he sucks. Bochy will be more inclined to play Posey every day in September if we are in the race.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Fair point about playing time. I didn’t mean to suggest they were equivalent, but somewhere in my head I probably thought that.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I kind of like Chris Stewart. He fits my romanticized ideal of a journeyman Crash Davis type toiling away mostly in the minors but given a shot as a backup in the majors.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like him too.
Cheered harder for his HR more than any non-Crawford related thing the Giants did last year.
Doesn’t change the fact he can’t hit tho.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
The real question is:
1B Joseph, LF Belt, RF Melky vs. 1B Belt, LF Melky, RF Peguero
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I think it's at least two years and two levels before you can say that with confidence.
Light-tower power from a teenager, bro.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 18, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’d have to turn to prospect mavens like Fla-Giant and Roger, because, truthfully, I don’t know—but I suspect the number of people who end up having >.225 ISOs in the majors tended to ISO better than .200 in a hitters league.
He’s still pretty young for the league, but a lot of those HRs also came in a binge in Lancaster. They count, but (without actually knowing how far they traveled), that would be like slotting them in the “just enough” category. Take them, but don’t necessarily count on them moving forward.
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Tommy Joseph?
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That's actually a pretty good lineup
plug in a couple FAs for RF and 1B and you have a very good team.
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this is for 2015 right?
it isn’t so bad, but what’s melky doing in there?
4/70 extension!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’m terrified that if he hits .330/.350/.460 with a .350 BABIP for the first two months, they’ll give him an extension midseason.
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Let’s be honest though, if he puts up the year he did last year it would be pretty cool.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Let’s be honest though,if he puts up the year he did last year it would be pretty cool.there is little to suggest he will BABIP as high as he did last year
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I mean, it would be cool. I just remain extremely skeptical that that will happen.
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This camp.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I NEVER SAID IT WOULD HAPPEN
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Yeah, I know, I know. Wasn’t really a dig at you.
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I know. hehe do you tweet btw?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
A quarterly newsletter, perhaps, to which I may subscribe?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Our Khaleesi recently followed you correct?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Who, me?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yes, you! Couldn’t be! Then who?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
SPECKOPS STOLE THE COOKIE FROM THE COOKIE JAR!
In all seriousness, though, I follow a few McCoven but I believe the only one who follows me jponry. There is one Giants fan/blogger who added me a few weeks back who may be a McCoven, but I don’t know her context for finding and following my feed, as I don’t advertise it publicly.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well yes, I knew that.
But I don’t see anything that would fit what you say, unless they are from PSL.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Nope. Enough distractions with McC. The last thing I need to do is encourage my ADD.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Also
All other shortstops vanished off of the face of the Earth between now and 2015.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
No, it already happened before this offseason
Otherwise, I’m sure the Giants would have acquired someone else.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
They are on the LOST island.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
The Smoke Monster must have gotten the Giants’ SS this season as it’s the only way to explain Crawford
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
The important thing to do is to really build your hopes up for the resolution of the big mysteries. Like, imagine how cool the answer seems like it’ll be and then multiply it by 10. That’s how much coolity you’re looking at.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I’m am enthralled by the amount of coolity that awaits.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
but wouldn’t that have led to Jose Reyes?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Add me to the now finally watching Lost list. I am in season 5.
I guess I just stopped watching TV at some point. Somewhere after X-files and West Wing. Every other series has been on DVD or now netflix/amazon.
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
I’d stop after the S5 finale and pretend that’s the final, unless you want to spend way too much time on the internet arguing over the finale
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
You fool! No shortstop is *ever* worth the risk!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
But Crawford will be Erick Aybar in 2015.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:40 PM PST reply actions
I really do not like the new jerseys
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Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
I want to get one of these with Cain's name and #, but I find myself waiting till the FO signs him.
Am I a bad person?
(Well, that and I’m piss poor to buy one tomorrow anyway…)
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I keep telling myself that they'll figure it out one way or another by the time I can actually afford it.
(likely a true prediction.)
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I just bought a game used Cain Gigantes jersey. Man I am pumped to break that one out after my birthday.
thanks man i will, it’s gonna get really dirty since i’ll never wash the thing. I am assuming you can’t wash a gu jersey, especially with the mlb authentication sticker on it.
LOL
My boss just stormed into my office to ask me if a text message announcing she had won a $1000 Best Buy gift card was a scam. When I told her it was most assuredly a scam, she stormed back out, cussing all the way.
I love being technical support by default.
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OT
Anyone know the best way to remove pistachio residue from a computer monitor…?
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Tongue
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
OT
Anyone know the best way to remove tongue residue from a computer monitor…?
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
pistachio
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by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
asparagus
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
more tongue
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Bumgarner extension will take a big chunk of the Zito savings
Probably signed after this year in the 5/$40M range
That’s $8 million…Zito makes $20 million…You can give an extra $5 million to Cain and Lincecum and the $8 million for Madbum and have $2 million left.
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and they’ll need to stop being stupid with their money
Nope.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Barry Zito's $18 million option for 2014 would vest with
200 IP in 2013 or 400 IP in 2012-13 or 600 IP 2011-13.
He pitched 199.1 innings in 2011.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
This scares me too.
Even if it’s only a 1.2% chance of happening.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
He has zero chance to pitch 401 innings in the next two years
He’ll come up with a foot cramp somewhere in there. They’ll make sure of it
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't have to.
He can not pitch in 2012, and pitch for exactly 200 IP in 2013 and the option vests.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
This is true
But he’d have to accomplish at 35 what he hadn’t since age 28
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
BOOM! 220IP OUTTA NOWHERE!
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Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Just gotta happen once tho.
There’s definitely a non-zero chance this happens. He could do P90X2 and throw over the grand canyon again.
With that said, I can’t say it’s more than a 1% chance. That 1% is still scary tho
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
He will, in all likelihood, be at the back of the rotation, which makes pitching 200 IP that much harder… and makes him much easier to have one or three skipped starts for “preferable matchups”.
I wonder if any #5 pitchers threw 200 IP last year.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
He started game 2 in 2010?
But in terms of “skippability” wouldn’t have been our #4, and then #5 post Wellemeyer?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Not sure what you’re going for here. Rephrase?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
He started the second game of the regular season in 2010 for RLRL WELLEMEYER reasons
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I was basically saying he was the back of the rotation (as in his odds of being skipped were higher than the rest of the staff) in 2010, and still managed 199.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Ah. A fair point.
I’m trying to remember when Zito got moved back in the rotation to #$ in favor of Sanchez.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Me too.
They were building that rally, too. And then Guillen GIDP’d to end the game.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Rowing demo accident, so sad :{
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Yeah it is. He pitched like 54 innings last year.
by fishmicmuffin on Jan 18, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
You mean in 2010.
So there is zero chance of him posting 600 IP over 2011-2013. And given that he has never cracked 200 IP as a Giant, even when he was at the front of the roation, and is only getting older, the Giants probably are at no risk of this happening.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
When is Sabean's contract up?
I believe he got extended until 2013. What are the chances they make no major moves with free agent commitment past 2013 to see if they want to keep him or hand someone else the responsibilities with all the money they will have freed up?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Really think they’re going to just hand the reigns to Bobby Evans when Sabean retires or gets lost in a forest. That’s not a bad thing. The Evans part, I mean.
Never
Brian Sabean will be the GM of the Giants until the sun expands and its new radius encompasses the Earth, destroying all life on the planet.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Considering how long he’s been there, he probably knows where enough bodies are buried to keep the owners from firing him
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean has to retire at some point
Right? RIGHT?!?!?!
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The Giants will never win a World Series with Sabean running the team
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
/Selig'd
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Sadison was closest
Evan Grant @Evan_P_Grant 6m
The six-year deal is worth approximately $60 million. Deal is done. Darvish a Ranger
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I will definitely have to catch an Oakland game now.
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Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Or when they play the Giants at AT&T
June 7-10
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
And he needs ...
a lot of room
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
When you include the 52 million down payment is it still a great deal?
GIANTS BASEBALL: HOPE LIKE HELL!
I have decided not to be bitter about Rowand and Zito.
I pretend Rowand had Torres’ 2010 season, and Zito replaced his August-October with Bumgarner’s. Considering Torres and Bumgarner were basically free that year, it works out great. The problem is that it isn’t fair to Torres, but he’s a Met now. Plus, Bumgarner had a great 2011 and has more time to endear himself to us fans.
Grant, you’re forgetting that we’re about to have even-numbered-year Aubrey Huff, who will post All-Star caliber numbers and be signed to a 4 year, $60 million dollar contract next offseason.
its ground breaking, really
It actually a four years over eight years contract (every even year). Huff goes to the red-neck rivera on the odd years.
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In a nutshell, why I think the Giants would be silly to extend Matt and Tim (who will surely both be 100+ million dollar pitchers)
d_a_cameron David Cameron
$100M pitchers, baseball history: Sabathia, Santana, Zito (snicker), Hampton, Dice-K, Lee, Brown. And now Darvish.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Sabathia has been worth it, at least. And jury is still out on Lee.
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For how long was Brown signed? Don’t know off the top of my head, but he may have been close to worth it depending on the details.
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You're right actually
The Dodgers, reportedly motivated by suspicions of steroid use by Brown, traded him to the Yankees that off-season for Jeff Weaver, $2.6 million and two other players.
Weaver proved to be a reliable starter for Los Angeles. He threw at least 220 innings in 2004 and 2005 and was paid about $2 million less than the market value for those seasons. The Yankees got a dud in the aging Brown, whose meltdown in Game 7 of the 2004 American League Championship Series still sears the hearts of Yankees fans. Counting Brown’s final two seasons makes the contract look worse. But they were the Yankees’ problem, not the Dodgers’.
All told, the Dodgers paid Brown $73.6 million, and got $63.5 million back from the market value of his performance and the profits from trading him. No general manager aspires to lose $10 million on a deal, but such small setbacks happen all the time. The Boston Red Sox, for example, took a similar hit on Jason Varitek’s four-year, $40 million deal in 2004 — which did not inspire a hint of the scorn that Brown’s deal has.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/sports/baseball/03score.html?_r=1&ref=baseball
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Interesting
How many pitchers have been worth $100 million over a 5 or 6 year span? I mean, without considering how much they were paid over that time.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well off my head:
Timmy, Cain (if you believe it’s no fluke his ERA < FIP/xFIP), Halladay, Johan, Pedro
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I'm sure Johnson and possibly Schilling
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Clemens, Maddux.
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Eh.
I think Zito and Hampton were obviously terrible deals the second they signed.
Sabathia worked (so far)
Lee and Darvish TBD.
Santana, Dice-K, and Brown are the deals that people thought were ok at the time but turned out to be awful
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I think Cain seems like a better risk for a long term contract than Timmy. He is rarely as dominant at his best, but his body seems more durable, and his career had seen fewer nothing’s-working lows.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Ideally, a long-term contract for a pitcher, like one for a position player, takes into account the idea that guy might flame out, and that he might also do better than expected, and more-or-less splits the difference, in a way that both sides can live with.
I guess that the point of this thread is, perhaps the conventional wisdom on where that mid-point is needs to be moved down some.
I will say, if the Giants announced a, for example, 2014-2018 extension for Timmy, I’d feel concern more than joy/relief.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Yu Darvish is five days younger than Pablo Sandoval
"Some guy on the net thinks I suck, and he should know - he's got his own blog." - Nick Hornby
"Lex clavatoris designati rescindenda est"
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Jan 18, 2012 2:14 PM PST reply actions
Whirling Darvish
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Yu
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
That is his off-field name
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Only when he gives up six earned in three and a third
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
The Yu-oung and the Darvish
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 18, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
In some circles, he will be known as … テキサスレンジャーズ"素晴らしい（しかし高価な）新たな先発投手
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I assume that you can read Kanji, and didn’t have to GooTran that? :)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
NATTTOOOOO!!!!
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I thought it was what Ryu and Ken say when they do their "hurricane kick"
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 18, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
When Yu Darvish upon a star
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
by Goofus on Jan 18, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Your lack of commendation for this is criminal.
Rec’d even though it’s a dead thread.
Make this green, people! We can do this!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 18, 2012 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sulllivan
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
I think Yu Darvish will throw a lot of baseballs well and a smaller number of baseballs less well
28 minutes ago
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
Going to be weird when Josh Hamilton gets addicted to J-pop
46 minutes ago
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
o.O
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That quote from Sabean about not signing Vlad
always reminds me of this time management story from Stephen Covey …
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Is it bad that is only the second week of the semester and I am already on MCC in class right now and only half listening to lecture? ::sigh::
Just wait until you do it in the courtroom?
“Objection, your honor! zzzz”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You know you're addicted if you drop a TWSS or NO YU in the courtroom.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Objection your honor! Opposing counsel is 5!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It would be more like “Objection! Rowand clearly should have been DFA’d waaaay earlier!”
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
It is only my Information Privacy Law class
…not like that is going to exist in a few years anyway
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Dear Grant
I don’t trust him either. also, olive branch for my little puke outburst yesterday.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I think a towel or a mop would probably be more effective.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 19, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they've got payroll flexibility in 114
But haven’t they always? Without doing any research what-so-ever, it’s hard to imagine that many teams have more than 50% of their payroll committed beyond 2-seasons. The problem is that he’ll have to replace the players who leave between now and then, and the Giants’ current farm system and Sabean’s history suggest that a lot of that will be replaced on the FA market, so he’ll never really get to spent all that money in one go (if you even want him to).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
If you go back a couple years.
We had a decent chunk just tied up in 2, terrible players.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I think the point is they have payroll flexibility AND 5 legitimate all star candidates under team control
well, 4 in MLB and 1 in AAA all star game
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
and
3 stud SPs
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
From the POV of the 2009 Giants
the 2011 Giants had $32M committed (mostly to Rowand and Zito, though Renteria had a 500K buyout in there) and Lincecum/Cain/Sandoval/Wilson under team control (and that’s ignoring players/prospects who hadn’t really done anything yet, like Bumgarner, Posey, Torres, and Romo). So, not that much different. Maybe better, since I think the list of player under team control was superior (though the money committed was also higher).
But holes appeared, and the Giants filled them expensively. It happened in the past, and it will happen again.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Of course it can/will happen again
But I’d rather be in this position than not, and after being in that position in 2009, the Giants won the World Series in 2010.
I mean, would you rather be in the position of Houston Astros or Chicago White Sox? Any team can fuck up payroll. Yes, this team has a history of doing so. But at least they have a chance of not fucking up. That’s way better than looking Zito and Rowand for 30% of your payroll.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I'm not arguing for preference
I’m arguing that having most of your payroll free 3 years from now is the standard position. It’s the state that just about every team (except maybe the Yankees) finds themselves, because few teams have the majority of their money tied up in 4+ year contracts. In and of itself “We’ve got a bunch of money free three years from now” doesn’t mean anything, because every team has a bunch of clear payroll three years from now.
What means something, in my opinion, is whether you can keep that payroll open between now and then, which requires two things I’m not sure the Giants have: the prospect talent to replace departing free agents through the minors, and the front office acumen to get good value on the FA/trade market.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I really think you are focusing on the wrong part of the equation
It’s not “we have 100M open, yay”
It’s “We have 4+1(belt) legitimate, under 30, all star caliber guys going into the Prime of their career at 2014 and they will cost a combined 21 Million dollars, so that means we have 110 Million dollars worth of bullets to take stabs at the free agent market to surround them and make one huge push for a World Series”
it’s all about timing. You want all your talent to come up together. The Giants have an opportunity to do that in 2014. Not too many teams can legitimately say, for any given year, that they have that opportunity.
It’s not the money. Every team has that payroll space open. it’s the young talent that will go into their prime year together PLUS that money that makes the situation sweet.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Plus 21 holes to fill, including 4 rotation spots, closer, and 5/8ths of the starting lineup. Four really doesn’t seem like that much.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
really? can you give me 10 teams that will be in this position in 2014 and their 4 all stars under 30 with 100M payroll free?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
sounds like a day in the life of a porn star
by bernardking on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm...
Brandon Phillips will be 32 in 2013.
Robbie Cano will be 31 in 2014.
Kinsler will be 32 in 2014.
I don’t trust Sabey Sabes to chase the right FAs but all those guys look like they could be above the middle market suckitude. Of course we have Mr. Panik but maybe he can stick at short.
I doubt Cano makes it to free agency.
I thought Phillips was a FA after this year?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Me too with Cano, but hey, if you’re going to go get into a bidding war, do it the right way, the best player on the biggest franchise in baseball.
Phillips is 2013, after next year. He might be a sweet little 3 year deal-i-o.
Damn, I’ve been saying “let’s sign Phillips in 2013” for a few years now. He always tweets about how much he loves the bay.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I think he's FA after 2012
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3397/brandon-phillips
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Stephen Drew
FA in 2014
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It still boggles the mind that Pablo Sandoval is the longest contract for the Giants
since Petey M. relinquished control of the team.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The only thing that scares me more than losing either, or both, Cain and Timmy to free agency is to imagine what Sabes will do in the free agent market in 2012 and 2013 if all the money suddenly comes available to him. Who here trusts Sabes to wisely and judiciously spend all that money?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Whiskey bender for everyone!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I subscribe to this.
Shit, I’m going to go buy some time travel liquid as soon as I get off of work.
Exactly
45 million dollars a year. WWSD- what would Sabean do?
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 18, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
“We’re not going to be involved with people that are going to use us on the way to somewhere else. If there’s legitimate mutual interest, we’ll have meaningful talks. If it’s just going to be a stalking horse situation, we’re not going to spend the time.”
Once burned! Naw, I don’t trust him much. Especially in the middle market where he likes to wet his beak.
As his come back to the mothership strategy has worked with Vogelsong, I wouldn’t put it past him to try and go after Liriano, who will be 29 and available in 2013. Hamels and Greinke are on the market. There’s actually some good pitchers. Of course we will most likely be playing PR games with Barry Z still.
did we ever do a music followup here
Can there be such a thing as a forgotten ’60s LP?
This one...
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
This one too
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I see the images even after refresh.
Disclaimer: I steal bandwidth.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
They’re in your cache. We see big squares with small broken link symbols in the middle. Like badly misshapen boobs.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Interesting. . .
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I nominate
“Snowflakes Falling on the International Dateline”
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Has Rob Lowe decided to say anything more stupid than the last comment he made?
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
I assume this is something more than just the Peyton Manning retirement comment?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
He gave the tape to Kevin Cahn, even after Gianelli advised him not to.
Celebrating 60 years of NBC News Today, January 14, 1952 - January 14, 2012
You win the day.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Also...Can I get a forecast in the morning :)
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
I’ve been posting them just about every morning on Tumblr. If you’d like, I can send you a link.
Celebrating 60 years of NBC News Today, January 14, 1952 - January 14, 2012
Did we say something mean about McCann?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 18, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Off to Art and Cultural Property law
My MCCing will probably continue there. I am a terrible student.
Pitched every day. Looked like Johnny Bravo.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jan 18, 2012 6:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Good afternoon…
and
WHEN THE HELL IS SBN GOING TO FIX THE GD SEARCH FUNCTION?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It's killing me.
It hurts my writing. No foolin’!
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Romo
Could he be a closer? If Wilson is going to get too expensive, trade him/dump him, get Romo some gaudy save numbers and trade him later.
Irrational Conor Gillaspie fanboy.
I worry about Romo's durability
his over-reliance on sliders makes him prone for injuries.
Whatever you may think of Wilson, his durability (prior to last year) was a big benefit.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Can't get lefties out.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Romo's trick knee will always be an issue.
If Romo pops his knee and he has to leave the game, you just bring in your closer.
If Romo pops his knee and he has to leave the game, there goes your closer.
(Yes, I know the role of closer is overrated. This is still how teams function, however.)
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
video Inside the Clubhouse: The offseason(SFG Productions)
Behind the scenes footage of both Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez as they rehab from season-ending injuries
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
Man, checking twitter during my training at break today was one of the most confusing experiences of my life.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Did you hear about that sofa bill?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Why she’s a teacher, I’m sure she couldn’t complete her lectures or lesson plans without it Gawker’d
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
http://gawker.com/5877192/stupid-high-school-kids-and-teachers-freak-out-over-wikipedia-blackout
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Thank you, kind overlord.
How do you fare in your battle with the argyled one?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Even BBRef gets it wrong
There’s something about Rowand that screws up all of the contract/payroll sites like Cots and BBRef. Go back and look at the chart that Grant posted. Scroll to the bottom and see where they state that the Giants traded Rowand to the Marlins. LOL. This is not true. Rowand cleared waivers when he was DFA’d by the Giants last season and the Giants unconditionally released him. That made him an unrestricted free agent.
Notice tha the chart shows that we owe Rowand $11.52M in 2012. This is not true. Since we unconditionally released Rowand, we owe him his full $12M contract for 2012. The $480K league minimum that Florida will be paying him will not be subtracted from the $12M the Giants owe him.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Missed this whole thread
My opinion: Giants could have utilized some of that 2014 money on good players this offsseason. When you stick to the strategy of WHEN you spend your money on big free agents instead of WHAT free agents you end up with Aaron Rowand and Barry Zito.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Budgets suck
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 18, 2012 5:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
We've had this discussion
Quality over quantity. Sabean could have fit Reyes into this year’s budget if he didn’t sign x, y, and z.
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