Mediocre
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM PST
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PrintSome definitions, first: Mediocre isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Giants' pitching should be great. Not mediocre. An antonym of mediocre. Great. And if it isn't, this whole place is going down in flames anyways. So when I describe an mediocre hitter or an mediocre offense, I'm describing something that can help the Giants as currently constructed. Mediocre hitting should get this team somewhere.
As the flurry of arbitration figures descends on us like so much boring snow, we're getting news on what the Giants' starting outfielders will make. So far we have Angel Pagan making $4.85 million, and Melky Cabrera making $6 million. Both are in their year of arbitration, so those numbers aren't a huge surprise. Nate Schierholtz is still left, and MLB Trade Rumors predicts he'll get $1.2 million. That's about $12 million for the entire outfield.
One of the options this offseason, even without going into the Beltran stuff, was to commit to Brandon Belt in left, while keeping Andres Torres (who got $2.7 million) and Schierholtz. That would have freed up about $8 million to spend on another hitter. That would have been a viable strategy, even if it leans on Aubrey Huff and Brett Pill more than you'd like. And by "you'd", I'm assuming Bruce Bochy has never read this site in his life.
But the Giants didn't. They went for the Melky/Pagan/Nate trifecta. You can pretend that Belt will start at first, and that Huff will have to fight for time in the outfield. That's adorable. No, the starting outfield is Melky/Pagan/Nate unless there's an injury. And when I look at those three names, I'm overwhelmed by a tidal wave of mediocre.
Again, not a horrible thing! I think Belt would have a fine chance to be above-average, as would Carlos Beltran, so the tidal wave of mediocre might seem discouraging. But that's spilt milk at this point. Here are some projections for the outfield troika:
Melky Cabrera - .284/.330/.435 (.765 OPS, 106 OPS+)
Angel Pagan - .279/.333/.395 (.728 OPS, 99 OPS+)
Nate Schierholtz - .267/.316/.420 (.736 OPS, 99 OPS+)
The Melky/Nate projections are from ZiPS, while the Pagan one is from FanGraphs' fan projections. If you don't like those, you can use the Bill James projections and dicker around with a few hundredths of a percent here and there.
Woooooosh. Mediocre. Right down the line, puddling up at your ankles. If you put that stuff into a blender with bananas, mangos, peaches, and acai berries, you'd still have to call it a mediocre smoothie to avoid being sued. That's how strong the mediocre would be. If those projections had a baby with another adjective, they'd still be considered 100% mediocre.
The league averages for NL outfielders last year:
| Split | sOPS+ | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| as LF | .259 | .328 | .421 | .748 | 106 |
| as CF | .262 | .333 | .409 | .742 | 102 |
| as RF | .271 | .345 | .449 | .794 | 103 |
Schierholtz's projections fare a little bit worse compared to other right fielders, but that's somewhat mitigated by his glove and arm. Again, mediocre. So, so mediocre. Maybe a tick below! Mostly mediocre, though.
If the Giants had a team filled with .270/.330/.415 hitters last season, they would have won the division, so it's not like these guys should be a huge part of the overall problem of scoring runs. Heck, it's not even like I have much of a point. It's just so mediocre. All of it.
The name that keeps popping into my head is Michael Tucker. He was here. And he was mediocre compared to the rest of the league. Not right fielders, but for hitters in the NL. And it makes me remember my theory that Brian Sabean looks at players in isolation instead of in the context of his peers. As in, "Say, this guy's an okay player. Hits a little. Doesn't embarrass himself. Quality guy." Just a wild theory that I'll never be able to corroborate, other than the laundry list of mediocre guys he's acquired.
I'm more worried about Brandon Crawford, Aubrey Huff, and the bandaged Freddy Sanchez. And I'm even a little curious and excited to watch Pagan. But never let it be said that the Giants' outfield should be awful this year. They should be mediocre, with an upside of sorta okay.
Also, I made a bet with someone that I could use the word "mediocre" over twenty times today. That was a mediocre proposition, but I'm a mediocre writer! So I hope you enjoyed this mediocre post.
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Doomed...
I have no sports to watch after February.
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Spring training and March Madness
March is an awesome sports month.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Did you miss the doom part of my post?
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Dude, Cal basketball is doing alright last time in checked.
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Not really
Pac-12 basketball is pretty awful this year…they may get only two teams in this year.
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This reminds me
I am going to have to do another McCoven Challenge this year.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Be fair to the ladies
No propellering challenges
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Distance peeing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Some challenge that requires being topless in public.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
WCC>PAC12
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SMC all the way
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Used to be my neighbor
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They are tearing it up right now.
This team is playing better than the one a couple years ago with Patty Mills, Diamon Simpson, etc.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
YES, i totally agree, this team is playing DEFENSE for once, Waldow is a freshman and looking great. Rob Jones is basically Simpson with jump shot. Delly is Mills just less fast.
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Defense is the reason
I enjoy watching this team play over that one anytime.
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Haha, yea. I definitely enjoy watching this team play now, and seeing them at Mckeon pavilion is insane. One of the better places to witness a game
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in the Bay Area
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It gets so loud in there I love it.
Especially for only seating like what, 5000?
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haha, try 3500!!!
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Wow
It gets VERY loud then.
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Man, Gonzaga got served. It’s too bad they still have to go to Spokane and Provo.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
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Those will be awesome games
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Yep. They abyss.
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I approve of this.
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That’s a little bit too esoteric for my tastes. It’s hard enough keeping up with international cricket; sometimes I check in on the IPL.
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It’s very Indian, that’s for sure.
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Anti-Corruption Law. Awwwwww
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It died in the Rajya Sabha right?
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It wasn’t ever really going to happen. The parties that latched onto it only did that to embarrass the government.
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Of course not. One of my buddies who is working as a doctor in Madhya Pradesh was really pissed when it failed.
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That’s Indian democracy. It’s not pretty, and yet it’s so much better than all the alternatives.
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PAKISTAN! hehe did you Anwar Ibrahim was acquitted?
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Yeah, I heard about that. They’ll have to come up with something else to try and nail him with now. UMNO is desperate.
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Yea they are. /arrested for eating pork.
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Yeah, I could definitely see it happening. There needs to be the stain of immorality attached.
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but is there a guy screaming 180?
cuz it’s kinda cool
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His hair is a bird.
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Snooker > Pool loved playing that.
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I love that such a monumentally boring sport is shown on a main TV channel at peak times.
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Speaking of which...
What’s with Clowe? He didn’t wear the cage dealie the other day and now tonight he’s not playing?
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This says it all
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by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
He had an allergic reaction to a cucumber mask?
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Oh. You went to that kind of facial. Um, me too.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah…..
I was like Merope is clearly way classier than I am
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think he has a broken cheekbone or something. He said playing with a cage wasn’t working because he couldn’t see but he can’t play with one.
So with the choice of playing ineffectively, risking further injury, or not playing and trying to heal he actually took the non-crazy choice and is not playing trying to heal
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
That is supposed to say “he can’t play without one”
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
ryane clowe broke his face... i'd imagine he wont play
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he’s been playing though. with a big ole cagey thing on his helmet.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 17, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Worried about Brandon Belt
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This article suggests you should be
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/is-there-an-asterisk-in-brandons-future/
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I have a hard time picturing myself yelling “C’mon Melky!”
I kinda like Pagan.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
How about “THE MELKMAN DELIVERS!!!”
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Does he have facial hair? I Melk mustache perhaps?
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I bet you do!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
It just bugs me that this team crying for offense has trouble finding a spot for Brandon Belt
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
I like the idea of him starting at Fresno and getting plenty of PAs
Then coming in as the cavalry should Huff or one of the OFs not perform after 250-300 PAs
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I like the idea of him starting at SF and getting plenty of PAs.
by Evan on Jan 17, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't disagree, but I sort of do disagree
The advantage of what I described gives a viable “Plan B”. If Melky, Pagan, Huff & Nate are all doing great, it also preserves Belt’s arb clock.
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I don't think Belt will get any significant playing time even if Huff struggles
The first time he goes hitless in the game, Huff will be back in the lineup. It is essentially what happened last year. Bochy has his comfort players and Belt isn’t one of them.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yes cuz that's exactly what Bochy and Sabean said at the end of the year.
We are going to believe in Huff in 2012 as we did in 2011.
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No they definitely didn’t say that!
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I think the rule is that we’re supposed to assume they are lying.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I don’t think of it as lying so much as just saying what they feel they should/people want to hear. It may be true, it may not, but they can’t just go to the press and say, “I don’t know” or “I can’t say” to all their questions.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
And, by “I know,” I mean I know that’s what people think they do (as opposed to “lying,” though I I’ve seen people argue that, too). I typically do not immediately assume that someone is not telling the whole truth unless I have some concrete evidence to the contrary. This is why I’m chronically uncool.
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I don’t think they actually lie so much as equivocate. There’s a slight connotative difference. And I think we’ve argued before as to whether they should tell the press what they’re actually thinking.
2012 is going to be awesome!
I think there is an element of politics to it, certainly. But, when they say something like, “we will break even with a $130 million payroll,” I don’t automatically assume they’re lying because, “they have every reason to lie.” (That was an argument I saw here.)
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
or they could be saying what they believe.
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at that time, subject to change at any time, multiple times. Either way, it makes it just as trustworthy.
Do you really believe that what they say during the off season has any bearing on what happens during the season? How many times have we heard, “he’s the 5th starter” “he’s the right fielder,” “he’s the 2nd basemen,” “that ship has sailed,” “we want to re-sign Beltran” etc, etc. and it doesn’t happen.
Even if it is 100% truthful in their minds at the time, there is no denying that there is a very low correlation between what they say and what happens. I’m not mad about that, I don’t blame them. I just look at it like a politician saying education is important to him. Sure it is, but it’s still the first thing you’ll cut.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I am not saying that it will happen but to assume the opposite seems too cynical to me.
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Did it really need to be all snarkified?
Because, I am kind of good at that too.
Anyway, no, I do not believe that they are being sincere.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
What they did in 2011 was inexcusably stupid (hey here’s a guy who came to camp out of shape and stayed that way all season, so we just kept it quiet and ran him out there every single day while he was putting up one of the very worst batting lines in all of baseball!), so why exactly should I believe them when they say 2012 will be a “tighter leash”? What’s so special about 2012 over 2011? Or is 1.5 years the magic number for when you give up on a disappointing veteran?
by Roger on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is correct.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Because there were a lot injuries
including Belt.
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This is new.
So Huff played all year because of injuries?
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Yeah, the Freddy Sanchez injury meant they had to play Huff.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
1) He was the guy coming off of the big year so there was a desire/need for him to carry the team.
2) He was the only healthy choice at 1B. Belt did not play well when he started in the MLB, went down to AAA when Cody came back. Recalled when Buster got hurt and then proceeded to break his hand.
3) Belt played a lot at the end of the year.
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Define alot.
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Didn't he start the majority of games in Aug/Sept/Oct?
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Not that I can remember.
/off to BBRef.
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Starting on August 14
he played in 32 of 41 games, starting 30 of them including 14 of the last 17 (starting all but one game).
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Looks like he did play quite a bit.
What are those same numbers for Pill?
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Pill
played in 15 of the last 21 games starting 13.
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That's it?
I thought he was a September call up.
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There were times last year where they didn't have enough bodies to sit Huff even if they wanted too
Unless they wanted to start Whiteside at 1B
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My guess
why exactly should I believe them when they say 2012 will be a "tighter leash"?
It’s a lot easier to give up on a guy in the last year of his deal than a guy with a another year remaining.
If they dumped Huff midway last year: ~ $16.5MM down the crapper
If they dump Huff midway this year: ~$5.5MM
I understand sunk costs and all that, but have you ever tried flushing $16 million dollars down the toilet? I did once and it totally clogged my plumbing.
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They don’t have to dump Huff. Just have to bench him. Big difference.
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ummm……….
I dunno… if they don’t take the sharp pointy objects away from the manager he usually continues to play with them.
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This is kinda what I said above
And it started all this nonsense. Apparently, it is different this season for whatever reason.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Do you disagree that Huff's contract status this year vs. last year could make a difference?
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I think he is going to be paid the same no matter how much he plays
Do I think it might? Maybe. Do I think it should? No.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well it might make a difference to how the FO handles things. They might trade him, but I don’t picture Bochy changing how he handles things, though I’d be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
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I think it should to a certain extent. If you have a guy signed for 2 or 3 years, you need to be extra sure he’s through, otherwise you could miss a rebound like Huff had in 2010 that you’d still be the one paying for (had he been signed for that year and detroit dumped him, they would have been upset). If there are just a few months left on a contract, the chance that there is still value to be had there is a lot less.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
The exact opposite logic is 100% as applicable
If you have a guy signed for any length of time who’s blocking your best prospect, you need to get him out of the way as soon as he starts struggling, or else you’re losing out on potentially more production.
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That makes no sense
Apparently Belt’s struggle were SSS but Huff’s struggles were predictable ASAP.
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Well apparently they knew Huff was out of shape.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
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And this was after quoting age related performance curves in the previous thread
Heh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
old man hat mind etc
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
That would be terrible for player morale.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
You think it's hard to get vets to sign here NOW?
Start pulling shit like that and see how many people want to come play here.
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I tried to rec this a number of times
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On the bright side
We’re once again in the position where an injury could actually make us better. That scenario served us well in 2010!
I remember having to root for strategic injuries
Made me feel very guilty.
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I think the likelihood that OF is hot garbage
Is far likelier than it being above average.
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But based on what?
As Grant said, the projection systems all have them at mediocre, which would indicate that mediocre is most likely, with both “hot mess” and “pretty good” being possible, but less likely.
What makes you think otherwise? Is it based on some kind of analysis or just your gut?
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Yeah I’m pretty sure ZiPS uses the median result. So in theory 50% of the seasons will be better and 50% will be worse.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
This post was sorta okay
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 PM PST reply actions
It wasn't just mediocre
It was mediocre-tastic!
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I could care less.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
My pet peeve radar just went off
“couldn’t”
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I just trolled the shit out of you.
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Reading this in fishing terms brings a painful image to mind.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
sick burn on me
I see/hear so many people write/say it that it didn’t occur to me you were trolling my fecal matter. Anyway, it’s all yours. No backsies.
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mmmmm... peanuts
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Has Cody signed anywhere yet?
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
/Irrational Cody Ross love
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
Joins line holding Cody Ross bobblehead
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a mediocre writer!
Yes, you have improved!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That was over the top mean
But to be fair, it was in retaliation for Grant pooping on my pizza.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Now I'm humping it.
This gets worse before it gets better.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Can I still make Woodstock's jokes?
Is that still a thing?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
Golden Gate Beer Bars | Tweetybox
by troymccluresf on Jan 17, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
there is one in chico
its terrible
and they took out the pool table which is the only reason i went there
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
A friend of mine from high school works there.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I havnt been in there since they took the pool table out
i really wanted to go for harry potter trivia night but my friend is still bitter about book 7 and didnt want to come play
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
McCovey Chronicles: Radical Mediocracy
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions
Oh come on
Matt Maiocco @MaioccoCSN Close
Two names wouldn’t be surprised to see linked to Colts opening to begin developing QB Andrew Luck: Marty Mornhinweg and … Greg Roman.
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I'm not really all that enamoured with Roman
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So the Colts will start passing with 1st and goal from the 4 and not score?
Or run a dive play for a two point conversion?
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
I just don't get Roman
he can call up all those great plays in the last 4 minutes of the Saints after 2 quarters of predictable playing calling.
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Didn’t Harbaugh say that Geep Chryst called the 2 minute offense?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
If you think it's a positive that Alex Smith changes offensive coordinators AGAIN
I don’t know what to say to you
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Harbaugh will still be there.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
This
Having the backing of your head coach is significant. Probably as much as keeping your OC. WRs and OLs know they have to do their job well or they will be replaced, not the QB…or at least that fear is in their head.
It'd just be ludicrous on a level heretofore unseen.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Still got a championship! BOOYAAAA
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
handy link
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/arbtracker2012
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Haha I know it's close
I just find it funny that we’ll be paying Melky more than the Royals are paying Sanchez
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I’m gonna pull an owlcroft and suggest that Nate might actually do better with regular playing time. That is, if he is not riding the pine because Belt had the best spring training imaginable.
2012 is going to be awesome!
AGGGH
I hate that it looks like it’s going to boil down to Belt or Nate getting a fair chance, not both (probably neither). Even though I’m a huge Belt fan, I wouldn’t be too upset if Belt starts in Fresno if it means Nate gets a chance to bloom.
It would be so Nate to get knocked out of the starting lineup by spring training play, tho.
2012 is going to be awesome!
That’s what I thought. Last year.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
and
a lot less chance of injuries.
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and
less Aaron Rowand
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 17, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And better defense
Melky > Burrell/Belt
Pagan > Rowand/Torres (Torres > Pagan, but Rowand negates it)
Nate > Ross/Beltran/Nate
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During the time in took you to write that
Rownas missed three cut-off men
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How well does Angel Pagan hit cut off men?
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/hurls a ball toward home plate with every ounce of strength
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
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/bounces three times
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Only if you assume Pagan's horrendous UZR last year was statistical noise
I’m not saying it means his fielding his awful now, but I don’t think you can just ignore it
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Yeah, Pagan has the Fred Lewis thing going on
He has vroom so people assume he is good defensively.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Yah he had one awesome defensive year in 2010
Which is as likely to be statistical noise as the horrendous 2011.
The rest of his defensive years were OK.
Angel Pagan’s career UZR/150 in CF: -1.4
Aaron Rowand’s career UZR/150 in CF: 7.8
And his UZR/150 in CF last year was awesome so I’m pretty sure it should be.
Torres/Rowand > than Pagan
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Rowand's that is
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He dealt with a broken rib last year.
Wouldn’t be surprised if that changed some stuf for him.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Rowand, last 3 seasons UZR/150 9.1 1.4 13.5
Pagan ………………………………13.7 14.9 -16.1
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
This could be a key factor
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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40-60 might be a bit optimistic
I’m going to guess Pagan swipes 27 and Melky gets 9. Nate maybe 5.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t there some nerdthink to the effect that SB are more trouble than they’re worth?
2012 is going to be awesome!
Depends on the success rate
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Yep.
Success rate has to be around 75% for them to increase run value.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's lower now that offense has dropped.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Even lower probably for the Giants.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
The sad/funny thing about that is, one of Bochy’s best assets as a manager, the fact that he doesn’t like to play small ball and give up outs, is actually more or less a non-factor on this team, as this is one of the few teams where playing deadball era small ball isn’t always a bad idea.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
"Nate maybe 5"
In 20 attempts
(I hate watching Nate try to steal bases)
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I hate watching Nate try to steal bases
But I love watching him throw.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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no doubt
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He wasn’t even an outfielder!
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
A look back at Nate
Nate Schierholtz was drafted by the San Francisco Giants in the second round in 2003, out of Chabot Junior College in California. He didn’t receive much pre-draft publicity, but he was a local kid who grew up in the Bay Area, and the Giants were very high on his offensive potential. He hit .306/.382/.460 in 35 games for Salem-Keizer in the Northwest League after signing, with a 12/15 BB/K ratio in 124 at-bats. The Giants felt he would hit for power and average, although there were doubts about his ability to stick at third base. I gave him a Grade C+ in the 2004 book.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/2/20/1318323/2010/2/20/1318323/not-a-rookie-nate-schierholtz
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I hope he never again throws to home
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hand me a rope please, I have fallen in
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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Josh Willingham disagrees
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15013703
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Exactlly
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
New Ballpark fare: Mediokra
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Slice it up, toss it in flour or corn meal and then fry in peanut oil until golden brown.
Sprinkle on a little salt and enjoy.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
New Bat material:
Medi-oak-re
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Favorite talk show host?
Medi-oprah
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Hmmm
Okra, stuffed with sausage then wrapped in bacon might work…
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I told the gf that she looked mediocre (hoping she also read the post)
I’ll be sleeping on my mediocre couch tonight.
I wonder if the Tigers would have any interest in a slightly used Aubrey Huff
given the way their day has gone.
They'll just sign
Pena, Kotchman, etc who are all likely to be better than Huff
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Would they splurge on Fielder?
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If the ideal lineup of this team played all 162 games and hit their ZiPS projections, the team would win 95 games.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The optimal lineup will be used in 18 games this year.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Hanks already in full Giants FO defense mode
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rest of the spots with replacement-level players. I think the late Bonds era proved that.
Complete with an example that doesn’t apply here at all.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I thought we made the play offs a few times and the WS once with Bonds.
But I guess the Bonds era was a failure.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I guess the 2010 season was a failure.
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Schulman is basically implying that the pen blew it in ’02 because Bonds was payed too much.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I think he's talking about the last few Bonds years
When the team was signing shitty overpaid veterans.
The example still doesn’t make sense
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I think Barry Zito was the problem. Not Bonds.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
We also didn’t have this starting pitching.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 17, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Schulman LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLALALALALALALALAL
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
It’s possible he actually believes what he’s saying.
Maybe everyone in this particular forum thinks he’s wrong, but other sincerely-held opinions exist.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
He tends to support the FO quite often
He steadfastly defended the Tejada signing last year
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That was an okay signing, though.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Bad results do not imply bad process
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
sign a stopgap SS to a deal that's fitting with their expected production
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Sign a decent player to a market-level deal lasting only one year in case it didn’t work.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I'm sorry
Signing a 36 year old guy to play SS when it was pretty widely know he couldn’t handle SS defensively anymore is not “signing a decent player at market value”
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"pretty widely known"
by everyone except the teams who’d employed him the past 3 seasons.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
What are you talking about?
He played 97 games at 3b in 2010. More games than he played at SS.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
he still played 60 games at SS
and almost all of them were for the team that traded for him.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
The Padres were playing Jerry Hairston at SS
My guess is they were willing to take on his awful defense to try to get some offensive help when they were trying to make the playoffs.
Just because they played him there doesn’t mean they didn’t know he wasn’t an awful defender there.
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But he was good there after he got traded.
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The Giants need(ed) offense more than defense, that’s the whole fucking goddamn point they signed him.
His offense was better than Jerry Hairston's
It still wasn’t very good in 2010
wRC+ of 89.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
well no one said he wouldn't be bad.
Just not SO bad that it was “pretty widely known he couldn’t handle SS defensively anymore”.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I think I said we would hope he would get injured
But that was me talking out of my ass as usual.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
there was really nothing wrong with it
it wasn’t a great signing, and it obviously turned out horribly, but it wasn’t OMGWTFRUDOINSABEZ at the time.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
There was no way save clairvoyance to know that his bat would die the way it did.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
He was an All-Star as recently as 2009. Obviously that wasn’t what was expected, but there was every reason to think that he could be serviceable just like in San Diego.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
You know, this is the kind of logic that doesn’t convince me that baseball statistics are reliable enough yet to supplant all other considerations as to which players to rely on.
2012 is going to be awesome!
What non-quantifiable considerations are you referring to?
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Watching him play. Taking into consideration his age. Stuff like that.
I’m not trying to convince you, btw. Do it your way, it’s fine. I happen to have been right this time.
2012 is going to be awesome!
So, your eyes told you Tejada was done?
Are you one of the many (myself included) who would laugh someone out of the room for saying that their eyes told them Pill would be good?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
All I’m saying is, I never liked the deal and none of your arguments convinced me at the time and I was right in this case. Numbers don’t always get you there. That’s all.
2012 is going to be awesome!
right, but all we're saying is
that the deal wasn’t indefensible. It wasn’t objectively bad (at the time)
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
that
and his 3 year totals were perfectly cromulent.
People (myself included) can be so schizophrenic about the processes they use. If it’s a player they like coming off a down year it’s “oh well look at his peripherals and 3 year totals and ZiPS” but if it’s a guy they don’t it’s “OMG DIDNT U SEE HIS OPS ON WEEKDAY NIGHTS WITHIN 48 HOURS OF A FULL MOON!!!”
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I disagree. I think most of us, however, took the view some of us now take concerning Huff. It’s a possibility, but it’s not the most likely possibility that he’ll just up and die.
What evidence was there that he would completely stop hitting?
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Get the money
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Huff plays MI?
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There were plenty of signs by the end of 2010 that he was on his last legs. It was widely commented on.
.269/.312/.381 was his 2010 line; even a decent drop from that mark would be acceptable.
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But not in any way worth $6.5M
If they had got him for a million or two, I would have though, OK, worth a try, but not at that price.
2012 is going to be awesome!
Furcal
got 2 years/$14 million for doing a lot less.
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yes but he was significantly more valuable in both 2008 and 2009.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
his 3 year average value
in ‘08-’10 was $10.5M.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I would have preferred somewhat less than that, but it wasn't over market value, and the FA market was very weak
That’s not to say that I would have made the deal, given what Bartlett and that other guy whose name I can’t remember got traded for, but it’s not indefensible. There are plenty of other indefensible deals Sabean has made without touching that one.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Nobody questioned the ridiculousness of the price, I don't think.
But it was a typical Sabean move. Just like trading Sanchez for Melky before any markets developed. Or signing Renteria to that contract. And it was for one year.
You're completely ignoring his defense
He was primarily a 3b in 2010 because his defense had slipped so badly
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except he played very at SS
after being traded to San Diego
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Good God. I'm not negating or agreeing with any of your points
And I see the relevance. But it makes me sad inside that this off-season has been so this off-season we’re talking about the merits of signing Miguel Tejada. Whose face made my soul cry a thousand agonies.
we’re talking about the merits of signing Miguel Tejada. Whose face made my soul cry a thousand agonies.
Perfect…
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but it wasn’t OMGWTFRUDOINSABEZ at the time.
Maybe not at your house.
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it really was
I mean, sure, it didn’t turn out well, but it’s not like he was signed for 3 years or anything
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
No it wasn't
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I was sooooo against that signing.
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I dunno
they were convinced that he could still play SS.
I can’t imagine that whatever process led to that result was sound.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Nope.
You either agree with the board, or are an FO apologist. Them’s the rules.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
It appears that that is what at least one person thinks.
@legaleagle88
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Believe me, I know.
I get accused of it on a regular basis.
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E6Day and I are talking about this in a FanPost. It is fascinating to me how people can have such different perceptions of things.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Personal experiences and biases, preferences, etc. Two people can look at the same set of facts and come to completely different conclusions. It’s what keeps the two of us employed!
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Apparently as does Clarence Thomas.
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You left out age
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I’m aware (sadly) that I am pretty much in the “there is one perception camp”. I think it’s my anti-Sabean bias showing.
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No, no. That’s exactly what it is. I don’t need to think about it anymore.
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I was surprised by $5m for Affeldt, and I’ve told that to Giants officials many times. But Gs would not have won WS w/o Lopez, IMO, and …
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… Casilla showed he could close games fairly well in a pinch last year. We don’t know that about Hembree. Also, G’s needed a CF …
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… regardless of what they did with Beltran.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I should probably not re-open the can of worms again.
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But Gs would not have won WS w/o Lopez
Is the implied logic then that the Giants cannot win any future WS without Lopez? Because otherwise this is just the stupidest argument ever. Actually, even if he thinks the Giants can’t win without Lopez, it’s still stupid.
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I mean this is what we're dealing with
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Frankly, guys, I’d have rather seen the Gs go after Cuddyer than Beltran. More versatile. Beltran in RF at AT&T scared me.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, the thought of Beltran in right at ATT sacred me too.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I wasn't particularly thrilled with his defense in right either
But I think he would have been a perfectly fine LF.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Ayup.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
I would have been okay if he really insisted on playing there. It’s not quite on the level of letting Bonds play LF to keep his bat in the lineup, but it’s the same idea.
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Yeah
that was dumb logic.
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This really bugs me
The Bonds era WAS successful. Winning a WS is usually just, statistically, dumb luck. Getting to the playoffs is the reward for a well-constructed team.
LOL
Baseball Prospectus February 6, 2004:
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Jim] Brower, [Scott] Eyre, [Matt] Herges, [Dustin] Hermanson, [Brett] Tomko, [A.J.] Pierzynski, [Pedro] Feliz, [J.T.] Snow, [Jeffrey] Hammonds, [Dustan] Mohr and [Michael] Tucker—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Yikes! There’s nothing wrong with the general philosophy behind that answer. “We can’t afford player A because we have to pay players B, C, and D” is something you hear out of front offices all the time—it’s the kind of tradeoff GMs make every off-season. But normally when you hear an explanation like that, you expect players B, C, and D to be guys you actually want on your team. Aside from A.J. Pierzynski, Sabean’s list is barely more than a collection of roster fillers. Is Sabean serious…they gave up a shot at Guerrero or Sheffield for these guys?
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2545
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Again
completely reasonable
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In a vacuum. We’re forgetting that the reason he had to piece together a team in this manner is because of a poor farm system.
Different issues
But the statement is reasonable in light of the situation in 2004.
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But is that why that quote gets brought up? A commentary on Sabean’s lack of commitment to the minor league?
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Because it sounds silly coming from him. He’s going to solve a problem of his own creation with the most stopgappyest plan that only works because he has an immortal hitting in the middle of the lineup.
Hell, it just sounds silly. None of those guys were better than Vlad Guerrero. I think the BP study shows that, in the aggregate, they were either just barely better or just barely worse than Vlad alone.
I think the other big assumption people make...
…is that Beltran would have signed here for the same money as the Cards deal.
Prices generally go up when multiple parties are bidding.
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That's riduculous
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Sure they do
But really, it’s not like it would have gone up astronomically. I mean, what’d he get, 2 years 26 million? I doubt it would have gone up more than a couple million dollars.
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And I don't think the Cardinals were the ONLY team bidding
There were reports of lots of teams in on him.
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Hard to say
There are many ways it could play out. Possible scenario if Giants had been in play:
Agent: "Cards just offered 2/26, so you’ll need to top that…and “one dollar more” won’t get it done.
Giants: “2/28”
Agent: "Giants just offered 2/26, so you’ll need to top that…and “one dollar more” won’t get it done.
Cards: “2/30”
So now the giants would need to exceed 2/30 to get him. For a guy with questionable knees, that some serious scratch. (I still think the Giants medical staff up-close look at him might have scared them off…it really appears that they never even considered bidding on him.)
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Instead we got:
Giants: ""
Cards: 2/26?
Agent:Ok
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My fear would be
a 3rd year.
2/26 goes to 3/33.
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3/33 wouldn't be bad at all.
3/39 might be tho.
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He wouldn't get 3/39
but I could see 3/33-35.
The third year really scares me because of the lack of value in that 3rd year.
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But at a reduced price.
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Much better to have
2 years at $13 AAV with war production of 4 and 2.5
than
3 years at $11-12 AAV with production of 4, 2.5, and 1
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Not if you payed 13 - 13 - 7
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it’s the same…you just don’t get the awfulness potential of the third year.
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It's definitely not the same.
Pending how your roster is constructed, it’s debatable on which is better. The Giants, currently constructed would prefer the 13-13-7, since Posey/Cain/Lincecum/Pablo/etc are all due more money in a couple years.
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It’s exactly the same, you are paying the guy $13 million the first two year (2/26 million) but paying $7 million for a third year.
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When the money is paid matters.
If you have more budget available this year, you pay more now. If you foresee more money being available later, you pay more later.
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That’s not my point…the point is that I don’t want the Giants to have to pay for that third year.
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I guess that’s where we differ. I think the 3rd year of Beltran would be worth 7 mil extra.
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That's an interesting hypothetical
Luckily, the Giants avoided your dire situation by trading their best pitching prospect for the guy and then making no effort to re-sign him.
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Two completely different issues
Wheeler was traded to get 2 months of Beltran with the hope of getting into the Playoffs and maybe WS.
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and back to my specualtion that his (lack of) health might have scared them off
I wonder if they regretted the trade after seeing his knees up close, let alone the wrist injury? The dude does seem pretty brittle.
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How on earth are you assuming it was only the Cardinals bidding?
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What?
It just means lots of teams dropped out when it hit that price.
We have no way of knowing how high the Cardinals price would have gotten. And how do we know that Beltran wouldn’t have chosen the Giants if they both made the same offer?
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Why would that matter?
I mean it would help his point.
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Cleveland Plain Dealer December 22, 2011:
A source said the Indians made “an aggressive” two-year offer to the switch-hitting Beltran. The money was “very close” to what the Cardinals gave Beltran
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you
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I said it was one "possible" scenario
If more teams were involved, it just means more bidding.
Regardless, if the Giants had wanted him, it’s reasonable to think they would have had to go higher than 2/26, and if they had, there was nothing to stop the Cards from counter bidding. That was my point.
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I'd prefer they sign them "medium" term (3 years each)
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I'm talking about deals before FA
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And as Grant pointed out
EVEN if the Giants failed to acquire Beltran after opting not to get Melky, the backup plan would have been Belt in LF, which would have been, you know, fucking fine.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
or
Belt at first and Huff at LF.
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Bochy thought it was Willie McCovey's blog
“Who the hell is Grant Brisbee?”
Speaking of which, I wonder if Willie Mac has seen this place.
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hmmmm
Reading more about that Italian cruise ship fiasco…
maritime law only requires lifeboat capacity for 75% of passengers – 50% in traditional boats hanging off the side, 25% in inflatables on board
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
They may require it but I think most major cruise lines have 100%. At least the Royal Caribbean cruise I went on had a life boat drill to start the day and required everyone to be standing in front of the boat they would get on. It seemed like there was enough for all.
right, I’m sure those things can differ. 75% is the minimum….if you want to exceed that, fine, but you better have at least that many.
In my field licensing says the adult child ratio is 1:12 you can’t go any higher than that [without being fined] but if you want to go lower than that good for you.
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And in this case, a lot of lifeboats were unusable once the ship was laying down sideways
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Did the entire crew take part in the drill?
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That transcribed radio conversation was wild
The Italian Coast Guard ordering him back on the ship. I thought the “Captain goes down with the ship” was just in fiction.
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Maybe ships should have “sink simulators” so they can practice what to do in an emergency, If I have to renew my cpr/firstaid cards every 2 years they oughta hafta participate in some kind of training!
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Captain makes sure everyone else gets off the ship too. It’s a management thing – like a teacher running away screaming during an earthquake without making sure all the kids are following proper earthquake procedure and getting to help in an orderly fashion.
by vibratingsheep on Jan 17, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Or George Costanza knocking over old ladies escaping a small fire
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I wish
the Giants would try that “mediocre” thing at shortstop.
by AztecsKillingHim on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Sullivan would think it is funny.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I’ve already done that… ’93, ’02, ’03….
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I dare you ...
to name a single Giants shortstop who did anything of note that year.
Besides that one.
And the other guy.
by AztecsKillingHim on Jan 17, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Things that are more boring than mediocrity
1. Reading projections about mediocrity
3. Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. ~Joseph Heller
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As I read throught this post
I kept thinking it was mediocre. But then Grant stole my thunder. So I will just say that Grant did a mediocre job of thunder stealing.
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If you steal thunder, how do you store it?
You can catching lightning in a bttle, but I’ve never heard where you keep thunder? In a large woman’s thighs?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 17, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
sigh of relief?
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bobby Evans on Lincecum arb negotiations: “I’m optimistic we’ll find common ground without a hearing room.”
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7 year deal coming right up.
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If his last two arb years are part of the 7, I would be ok with it.
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I would agree with this statement
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Maybe the two dollar amounts ended up being relatively close?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
but they won't need to do that
until next year anyways.
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JohnSheaHey John Shea
In arbitration, Tim Lincecum to ask for something in the 20s (as in millions), #SFGiants to counter with something in the teens.
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Not really going out on a limb there
And of course it is millions.
Lincecum asks for 20 thousand!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
why does he need 20 million
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Why not?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle Condo/BMW/Two Dogs
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Yes,Yes,Yes
Got the car mixed up. I should get a pass though, this cold medication is strong.
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Timmy-$22
Giants-$18
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HELL YEA
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i can see this
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caveat: Balnco’s season will the the Venezuelan one
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Right handed bat off the bench?
The Blue Jays announced that they have given Mark Teahen his unconditional release. They designated the infielder/outfielder for assignment earlier in the month and will be responsible for paying his $5.5MM salary in 2012.
Teahen joined the Blue Jays in the three-way deal that sent Edwin Jackson to St. Louis and Colby Rasmus to Toronto. The 30-year-old posted a .200/.273/.300 line in 177 plate appearances for the White Sox and Blue Jays in 2011, appearing at all four corner positions.
He was awful in 2011 but okay in 2009…also league minimum .
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Saint Mary's grad?
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not many people came out of SMC that did much of anything, Candiotti, nobody in NBA… Meschery
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Patrick Mills!
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meh! yea, in college, but MEH on portland
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No thanks. He's had a negative WAR 4 years in a row.
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craps
misread on the handedness…never mind.
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In that case, we already have Belt as our LH bat off the bench.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
LOL LOL LOL
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They should sign him and have him bat righthanded
Maybe that was his problem over the last 4 years!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well if the Giants FO does it
I believe in it
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Career WAR of 3.5. Hasn’t been above 0.0 since 2008. Not particularly interested.
Not to mention Brett Pill.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
and apparently
left handed
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Today's Giants news makes me upset.
Probably irrationally so, but what other kind of fan upset is there?
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My boy has mad hops
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Well... i guess i'm not really a fan if i say i don't really care i just want to watch baseball
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
San Francisco 49er football>giants offseason
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
More so recently.
But I wasn’t always this way.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Interesting
The Angels avoided arbitration with shortstop Erick Aybar by signing him to a $5.075MM deal, tweets ESPN’s Enrique Rojas. MLBTR had projected the SFX client for $4.7MM. The Angels have now signed all of their arbitration eligible players.
Dude is Crawford with a little more power and less defense.
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Aybar's career slash would be Crawford's best season ever at any level.
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Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Nope. That's not the narrative.
The Giants are doing well by having Crawford start at SS. If MLB teams are starting players barely better than him and paying that guy way more, then the Giants are the winners.
Aybar's full season at AA at Age 21
.350/.445/.795
Can we stop this nonsense?
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Sorry fucked up that slash line
.305/.350/.445
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
LOL I was gonna say...
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
This makes more sense than a 795 SLG
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Haha ya.. My cursor moved
Point doesn’t change
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Not really.
For one, I think the power is the same. Aybar is Crawford + 70 points in BA/OBP, minus a little defense, which means Aybar is a far superior player.
And I’m a huge Crawford believer.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Crawford: .266/.331/.403
Aybar: .312/.357/.453
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I'm not trying to be contrarian or mean, and I like crawford, but where is that slash coming from?
Are we talking down the road or this year?
This confused me also.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
If Crawford hits that over a full season, I’ll change the site tagline to “Home of Unfettered Love for Brandon Crawford” and/or tattoo his face on my ass.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that line is like a 4 win player..
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Hah! You can’t say stuff like that on the internet. Now we can hold you to it.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Too bad I'm pretty sure Grant can take stuff like that back..
Unless someone screenshots it.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
see the giants sign renteria thread
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
He did put an and / or in there. He has a loophole.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I learned about that stuff when Zen Bitz spent two months thinking he might have to eat a baseball because of Rey Sanchez.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
FIFY
If Crawford hits that over a full season, I’ll change the site tagline to "Home of Unfettered Love for Brandon Crawford" and/ortattoohisplant my face on my ass.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Minors
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Career minors #'s?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Yup.
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I didn’t think it was right either, but it apparently is. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=crawfo001bra
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I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
The California League should sign him to a 5/$100M deal
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Would you tattoo his face on your ass if that happened?
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
He should tattoo his ass on his face.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
i think we should all tattoo his ass on our faces
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of tattoos on asses... my friend's a complete moron
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I was also surprised to see that Aybar had only about 40% of his PA’s above A ball where Crawford was about 80%.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
in other words
Aybar thoroughly outhit Crawford despite the handicap of starting three year younger.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Other than that, it’s like they’re twins.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Brothers from another mother?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Aybar
first 40 PAs: ..250/.250/.325
next 211 PAs: .237/.279/.289
Crawford’s first 220 PAs: .204/.288/.296
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Mlb
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I'm just curious
why are we engaging in this extended attempt at turd-polishing?
THe Giants are an okay team in a division filled with teams that are at best okay. They didn’t improve a whole lot over the offseason (if at all), yet they still retain a legitimate shot at the playoffs. That’s both the optimistic and the pessimistic summary. I don’t see the point of trying to paint weaknesses as strengths.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
DON'T HATE ON THE OPTIMISTS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
IF I WEREN'T AN OPTIMIST
I WOULDN’T CARE WHAT THE DAMN TEAM DID IN THE OFFSEASON BECAUSE I’D THINK THEY SUCKED TO BEGIN WITH
this concludes this edition of all caps theatre
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
/takes a bow
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
CALBEAR MUST HAVE A TRAILER BECAUSE HE IS OPTIMIST PRIME
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
This our assistant GM ladies and gentleman
Henry Schulman @hankschulman 4m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evans on the enormousness of these $ figures: “I usually leave off the final 3 zeroes because it’s easier to calculate on … Excel.”
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
don't fall in.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I think it's cute you think he isn't 100% serious
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
i just hope its on the new version of office
and he still isnt using 95 on an old gateway because he liked the cow spots on the box
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
even if he is (which i really don't think he is)
i fail to see how it matters at all.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
you should feel complimented that DFA thinks you're cute
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
BECAUSE OMG THE FRONT OFFICE IS SO STOOPID THAT THEY HIRED A GUY WHO CAN’T FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE EXCEL LULZ!
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
On July 26, Wade convenes his brain trust to discuss which minor league prospects they’ll seek in exchange for the major leaguers they hope to move.
Astros: Charlie Norton, Astros director of baseball research – There were 15 scouts sent out for supplemental coverage based on several clubs we matched up with.
Astros: Dave Gottfried, Astros assistant general manager of baseball operations – We’re reaching out to amateur scouts on some of the younger minor league players, where in some cases they may have watched them in high school or college and grew up nearby and can really give you the background and personal information, the makeup that you’re looking for.
Astros: Wade – Along with doing their formal reports, we were asking scouts to send e-mails overnight. And it got to the point where, I think I said it semi in jest, "I sure hope somebody is reading all this stuff." Because the volume of it was pretty substantial.
Astros: Gottfried – Everyone’s got one of those black binders, and guys are spending a lot of time looking in there, it’s got the OFP listing. [Hundreds of minor league prospects are ranked by overall future potential.] It’s also got all the waiver and roster information on all the clubs, their depth charts. It’s got major league stats, minor league stats. Guys who are less familiar with some clubs, say someone who may not know Atlanta as well, they’re bearing down on that stuff.
Excel is a bitch to format in.
I can’t blame them for using shorthand.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
SL
At least it wasn’t necessary to drop the zeroes to make it fit on one of these:
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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oh hey, it’s almost Chinese New Year!
Jan 23rd this year according to the calendar I bought at the $ store…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It’s a dragon year!
Yay, dragons!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
How to train your dragon
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
oh shit im the year of the dragon
does that mean this year will be good for me?
I only know what the place mats at my fave chinese restaurant tell me
something about avoiding the dog
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a dragon too.
Hehehe since I’m not teaching this year I can use all my Chinese New Year stuff to decorate the apartment!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
/secret dragon handshake
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty close to my guess
Henry Schulman @hankschulman 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Gonna adjust my guess on Lincecum numbers slightly. He seeks $23m. Team offers $17m.
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so that means in free agency he will be seeking 25mill a year about right?
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
That's the projection.
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he will get 20
just to get out of the teens
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
19.9 million
and a gift certificate to In-n-out.
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animal style?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I wonder if Lincecum has ever been to Pearl’s Burgers in SF
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
i have never heard of this place
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
only the best burger in sf.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
noted, thank you! haha, big time with burgers
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
The special burgers are the best.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
definitely like the Pesto Burger
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Bula burger and spicy sly were my favourites.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
the mcgangbang is the new animal style
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
speaking of coning is the the planking apperently
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
If the Giants are smart, yes. If it goes to arb, I’d guess Timmy would win.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I'm not so sure about that.
If you say he’s worth $21.5M now, that means he’s worth like $28M in free agency.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think it's smart to call his bluff and see if he'll go to arb.
It’ll make letting him walk for nothing that much easier to spin.
I'd rather not piss him off.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
The smart money is on this strategy.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yea, that'd be nice
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Apparently, Heyman has better contacts than Hank
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Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
confirmed on KNBR
or they were just repeating what they read on Heyman’s twitter….
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Probably that second thing.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I need to re-watch this movie.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
just sign him and get this over with
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
First go buy some panda hats RDF is getting low.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Where’s my giraffe hat, Panda hat, otter hat, ostrich hat, what other hats does this team need?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
A 2012 World Series Champions hat?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
that would be awesome! kill the hat idea tho, i'm done
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
The Aubrey Huff Beer and Cigarette Dispenser Hat
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
ok, THAT would be an awesome hat
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I want that
You clever bastards, you’ve done it again.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
19 million gets him the record for highest amount.
I think the Giants give him that and he takes it.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They may use their previous strategy.
And give him a 2 year deal. First year 17 mil, 2nd 21.5.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Oh shit. New glee tonite
And so my temporary truce with pika ends
McCovglee chronicles lives
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM PST reply actions
/shoves it back under water, holds it more firmly this time
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone still watch that?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
myself and hopefully murray,present
I had to miss a lot of this season due to personal stuff/car accident/ being busy teaching but now my practicum is done and my back is healed
bring on regionals baby
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I only watch for the songs now. It’s just very uncomfortable to watch people being assholes to each other.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Somewhere Jctgamer is sobbing
The Brewers announced that they signed outfielder Norichika Aoki to a two-year deal that includes a club option for 2014. Earlier today, Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reported that the sides were finalizing an agreement.
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No way Dodgers win this:
Jon Heyman
@JonHeymanCBS: Kershaw files at $10M, dodgers $6.5M
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
gonna say, 8.9
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They must be setting themselves up for a pre-arb compromise.
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Man, the Dodgers must have some stone to lowball Kershaw like that.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
They’re in bankruptcy…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Won’t matter if Kershaw wins at arb. And if it goes that far, I’d think the Dodgers just guaranteed his $10mil.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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This is his first arb year
That sounds about right.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't we offer 8 on Timmy's first, and he was a Super-2?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Not that I know if this matters
But I think Tim had 2 CYA by his first arb year.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
It probably does matter.
Also, surprised to see this, since Kershaw has almost a full year of service time over Timmy at that time. But Timmy had a higher WAR (18.7 to 17.1).
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Kershaw is also two years younger than Timmy was.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Does that add or subtract for arbitration value?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Add. Kershaw did at 23 what Lincecum did at 25.
Ergo, he is more valuable.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
But for arbitration they are only looking at age 24 for Kershaw and age 26 for Timmy, right?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
They are looking what they thing they will be worth, yes. And Lincecum settled for $9MM in his age 26 season in the first year of that two year deal. So to say that Kershaw is worth roughly 2/3rds of that seems pretty iffy to me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Price number has to hurt him a bit.
I think Kershaw does not want this to go to Arbitration and he agrees to something in the 8 million range.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I think he has over a 50% chance at winning.
So he should ask for more than 8, or take them to court.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Cabrera
JonHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
a. cabrera files at $5.2M, indians at $3.75M
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I wonder if a team has ever filed higher than the player? It would have to be a low figure/relatively obscure guy I assume.
It actually did happen to the A’s once a while ago. Can’t remember who it was but both parties were really embarrassed by it.
I remember reading about the case in my Sports Law class.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's pretty funny
Player to agent: “You’re fired”
Owner to GM: “You’re fired”
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
a. cabrera files at $5.2M, indians at $3.75M
If only…Crawford seems like a very nice man, but give me some Asdrubal
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'd imagine Cabrera is worth more than this...
haha
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This statement is correct
About four times what the Indians offered
2011 Numbers
.273/.332/.460 wRC+ 118 fWAR 3.6
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Never Forget
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jan 17, 2012 3:15 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Declining!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
This is so perfect for this thread.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Trivia:
I was wearing pants when I took that picture with my shitty phone.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
You all were. I can feel all of your eyes on me.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I still love how awesome those other stats are.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
The Giants and Nate Schierholtz agreed to a $1.3 million contract with an additional $150,000 in incentives. Reached b4 figures exchanged.
About what I expected.
Sandoval is the one that worries me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
What do you think he gets?
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
"No. This? This for me. We share other one."
“There’s… a second sundae, Pablo?”
“Restaurant.”
“Oh. Oh god.”
Took me a minute to spot the sundae in that picture.
by AztecsKillingHim on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
Subject line?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Subject line!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Sorry
distracted by the girl on the left.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
No subject line? Oh yeah, take a little of this!
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
BEWARE!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
The Lasorda image didn’t load properly. It got cut off at the his knee.
Would I get banned if I posted it?
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
You’d get the special .gif warning, where the O RLY? owl pops out of his gunt.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
/ clicks subject line
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
LOL FAT PANDA!!! HOOOBOY!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
My gut tells me $4-5MM, but again I’d really like to see him signed to a long-term deal. Something to the tune of 5-8-12-16-16-18.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
mlbtraderumor
compared him to David Wright (6/$55 million).
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I'd be thrilled with 6/55.
I’d even give him 7/75.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
His Gut also tells the Giants to worry about a long term deal
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I think the conditioning issues are going to be mostly a non-factor going forward. Which is another reason to extend him now: hand him a pen while 2010 and the weight issues are still in the rear view mirror.
Sandoval is one of the best 3Bs in the game right now, and the Giants have very little depth there. Lock that fool down.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It's official: Timmy files $21.5M, Gaints counter with $17M
I think that they’ll settle on 1 year for $19.5M or 2 year for $40M.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yech.
Paying market value in arb cases sucks.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Whoa. I totally fucking agree.
Which reminds me:
Colin Wyers
Just think of how much money MLB could have saved on Lincecum alone if they’d focused on arb instead of draft in CBA negotiation.
The MLBPA would never let arbitration get on the table. It’s much easier for unions to make concessions affecting future members than those hurting current members.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
There’s no reason he should get $21.5. That’s a 50% pay raise.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah, there’s a reason. He’s one of the best pitchers in baseball, statistically, and if his team did not own him, he’d be able to make a lot more money on the open market than his team is offering.
and if his team did not own him
That sounds really bad. True enough, but it still sounds bad.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It was even worse back in the day when there was literally no such thing as free agency.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you Cadfish Hunter, Messersmith, and McNally for creating free agency!
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Don't forget Curt Flood
Just three years after Flood vs. Kuhn, players Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally once again challenged the reserve clause. This time, instead of a trial in a court of law, an independent arbitrator heard the case. And in December 1975, the players finally won the right to free agency, when arbitrator Peter Seitz ruled that the reserve clause granted a team only one additional year of service from a player, putting an end to perpetual renewal right the clubs had claimed for so long.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
By extension, he’d be worth $32M in his final arb year, and $45M in free agency.
Part of the understanding of arbitration is that it scales. He shouldn’t be worth his FA value two years before hitting FA.
He’s also had declining peripherals since he signed the last deal. That doesn’t warrant a $7M bonus.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No, I’m going off the fact that it’s supposed to scale up to his FA value. Not be his FA value.
You’re just choosing to ignore the more critical points of my argument. That’s not my problem.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Don’t quite follow what you mean by “get,” but I’ll let sleeping dogs lie.
The closest comparison I can think of is Ryan Howard: 10-15-19-20. Obviously that’s a buyout deal, but given that Lincecum is due two more raises, $21M seems almost absurd to me.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No way Lincecum should get $21.5 in arbitration, correct? Not “get” as in — he’s not worth that amount and shouldn’t be asking for it. Right?
When you said
it’s supposed to scale up to his FA value. Not be his FA value.
you were referring to the arbitration process, right?
I was not, so I am wrong. I was looking at the service time/team control/arbitration as an obstacle when you were not.
Yes, that’s what I meant. He is worth that amount, so he should be paid a fraction of that – perhaps 80% – this arbitration year. $17-$18M seems pretty reasonable to me, particularly if what Azmanz notes below is true.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I thought players who were super-2 basically receive FA value in their final year of arbitration.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I don’t know my Super-2s off the top of my head, but that might be the case. I wouldn’t know how to cross-check it, certainly.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Super-2 sounds like a sesame Street character.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
He was voted most scatalogical member of the Justice League
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just have a vague memory of seeing something like that in a Fangraphs article.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
I think it’s usually 40/60/80/100.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
With the 100 only being reached if you were super 2.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah that's about what I remember.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Why would Timmy go for 2 for $40 M?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Dammit - forgot to pick up some Newcastle
I have a hankering.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
(which would not have been sated until dinnertime, of course)
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
If only! I’m a single parent for the next week, so responsibility is my watchword!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I haven’t drank in awhile (except for a sip of champagne on NYE) because I was on antibiotics for over a month. I might crack open a bottle of wine tonight.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Wow that’s. My wife and I make a point of having a fun / interesting bottle of wine every week
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
It’s just me, so usually most of the bottle goes to waste. That means I don’t drink much.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I use Private Preserve – we usually just drink a bottle a week between the two of us (filling in the gaps with beer, of course). It usually does a pretty good job of keeping the wine fresh enough over 3 or 4 days.
(See! Not a lush)
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I’ve got a Karmere Zinfandel at home awaiting my tender ministrations.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Anyone else around here frequent the Amador County wineries? Hidden gem.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
We’ve been checking them out in Grass Valley/Nevada City (Sierra Foothill appellation—unofficially I believe). They all seem expensive for the quality.
You can get real nice French imports (Rhone Vlly) for $15.00. Most of the local wines are $25.00 to $40.00. No thanks.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Yeah, I haven’t been over there quite yet. I hear good things about the scenery.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Speaking of local stuff, we went out to the “Virginia Wine Country” last year. It was actually pretty decent.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I went to a wedding in Virginia sometime early last year. The landscape was shockingly beautiful.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
The last one we cracked open was a 37 year old Korbel Cabernet Sauvignon
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Doesn’t it start to turn vinegary after that long?
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It depends on where the wine was stored, temperature, how intact the cork is etc. You should also decant older stuff before you drink it. Lots of different factors. If stored correctly etc it just ages and tastes great!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
How am I supposed to get drunk if I waste all my time decanting things?
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
They just signed Papisse Cisse!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
How is Obertan working out for you guys?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Agreed. Do they plan to start him alongside Ba, or off the bench?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
What do you reckon is the best partnership up front for you guys (of the premier league era).
Faustino Asprilla / Shearer?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
NFL Network now shows a full 3 hours for 49ers replay
Here is the updated schedule – game replay starts @ 5pm PT and a rebroadcast @ 9pm.
Get out the popcorn!
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I have about two weeks to find my wallet before I starve to death.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 3:39 PM PST reply actions
It's like a crap version of 24.
Sundrendy!
by Deleuzian on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pray like hell
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I don’t like my odds.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Provide mailing address and I'll send food.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 17, 2012 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
This would pretty much violate every rule my mom ever taught me.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
I can provide mailing address if that would make you feel better.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
You don’t know my new one!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
but he could find out….
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
He would still need a swipe card and a key to get me!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
It’s all coming together.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I read that post, and now I have this image of Grant doing his best Colin Mochrie impersonation.
“Med-i-ooooooooooooocre!”
And now I’ll never get that image out of my head.
Thanks, Grant.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM PST reply actions
Charles & Keith ships to USA now!
Too bad it’s like 40 dollars per pair for shipping =/
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Not even that. Complete radio silence.
I don’t mind being rejected for a job, just let me know. I get enough passive aggressive rejection in my personal life.
How long ago did you have the last interview?
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Yeah, then you probably didn’t get that one.
I once got a job offer maybe a month after interviewing for the position. On the same day I received a job offer from another place. Worked out pretty good!
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well, I had an interview about a week and a half ago at a place in SF I would absolutely love to work at that would be an amazing opportunity, so I’m hoping that works out.
When I was at the other place for my interviews, I saw a resume for another graduate from my school on someone’s desk. I asked him if he ever heard back, and he said yeah, they told him that they weren’t hiring him.
I interviewed at a place before Christmas… still haven’t heard anything from them. I called once, they never returned the call, okay… I can take a hint, but geeez, common courtesy anyone?
Hell, I’m housebound today because I’m waiting for a callback from somebody.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
So you guys are probably gonna fucking kill me for this
I have never submitted a single resume.
When I was graduating, my college matched my profile with perspective employers. I got an interview notice, then a second interview, then got two offers from the same company. I accepted one of them and cancelled the rest of my interviews. On second thought, not only have I never submitted a resume, I’ve only actually interviewed for one company in my life.
I’ve going on year 13 in the same company :x
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I just want you to know
that you are dead to me
I take back any votes you may have received from me in the McC awards
good day sir
i say good day
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
I pity you for never having experienced the joy of writing a cover letter.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I'm not better, I just have a really high BABIP
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well I was 15 years with the school district until Mr. Merope was like “me or the job!” He figured it’d take me 6months to a year to find something else. I figured I’d find something almost immediately ha-ha me.
Most places I’ve interviewed at have hired inside candidates. Somebody who was either already subbing for them or working in some other capacity for them.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yeah, employer etiquette is about non-existent these days. Between phone tag and people just out and out ignoring you, kripes. I sent a query to one job posting because it was very vague. “Come run our program!!!” So I asked where they were located and what their population was [ages/grades and number of children] they never got back to me.
That is really ridiculous for them to do that after 4 interviews! You wouldn’t want to work for schmucks like that anyway!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You’re right, I don’t. I was on the fence about accepting an offer, anyway. It was a boring/tedious job, low pay, and in Mountain View (I’m in Vacaville at the moment).
And they interviewed you FOUR times? Sheesh.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
that’s the kicker.
Four times?
kripes!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
They probably had someone picked out to get it by promotion anyway. Bastards!
2012 is going to be awesome!
It’s an employers market.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
You are Dennis Green?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
lol Baggs
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Amid flurry of arbitration figures, I’m just gonna file at $2 million & hope a team accidentally tenders me a contract. #retirementplanning
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
#retirementplanning
He knows his Giants.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Agggh macs are so confusing
where is everything going
it keeps hiding behind other windows
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:05 PM PST reply actions
/attempts to right click
/glares, fumes, furiously tapping on the right side of the mouse
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
the station actually has a mouse with a right click
and it seems to be a working right click
mostly I just keep losing windows when I have about 6 of them open. they don’t minimize the way I am used to
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
whenever something goes wonky with my macbook we just look at each other and say “but it’s sooooo intuitive!!!”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
But black turtlenecks!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
so excited archer is coming back soon
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
lololol
You have a macbook? I thought the mister was a linux man.
Arn’t macs and their controlled ecosystem the enemy of opensource
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Long story short, he just wanted to see how it would work. We can both now say that we can use mac, linux, windoze, and if you want to get really obscure BeOs.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
that is obscure
even though its linux you should add red star os to your cap
offical operating system of North Korean Dictators
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Macs are a pretty window dressing on top of a UNIX OS.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I prefer light italian dressing
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
After having gone from administering a Linux system to using a Mac, I am well satisfied with the Mac. Note that I do not claim this is an absolute Truth, nor do I consider it a moral choice.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
If there is a button at the top of the keyboard – maybe F3 or F4 – with a bunch of windows on it, you can press that to quick select what window you want.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
f9 – 11 are the Expose buttons I think. I had to disable them so I can use the keyboard shortcuts in Final Cut. Go to System Prefs/Expose to configure their behavior.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like carrot is on a computer that is not his.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I DON’T CARE! CONFIGURE AWAY, CARROT!! CONFIGURE LIKE THE WIND!!!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Verily.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I'm really tired of reading this shit
the Giants will be as good as anybody in their division; with good pitching and defense, they should be even better.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Honestly, I have no idea what the point of the article was. It wasn’t for or against anything. It was just pointing out that the Giants outfield should be "mediocre"x20 in 2012 and LOLBelt.
The Giants should be competitive next season and hopefully they’ll win a playoff spot. The wild card expansion should increase their odds in making it to the postseason. But make no mistake, this is a “hoping like hell” ball club because ownership failed to provide the necessary funds to upgrade the lineup.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, I have no idea what the point of the article was.
Well, it was …
It was just pointing out that the Giants outfield should be "mediocre
There you go.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Who the hell uses their thesis as the title?
Cray-z.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Sweet crap
What compels you to post this instead of just not reading the site? I’ll give you a refund and everything.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tired of people whining because I’m not posting “Everything’s going to be awesome, everyone!” five times a week. It’s a big fucking internet. Leave and laugh at me when your version of the future comes true.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
d'cer\
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
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by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I like you, Grant; don’t want to leave.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I don’t go out of my way to be cynical. I think of a topic to write about in the morning, I think about it, and then I write it in the afternoon after my other work. What comes out is opinion. If that opinion is cynical, well, that’s the voice of the author.
In the Hiroki Kuroda post I a) stuck up for Zito as a fifth starter, all things being equal, and b) acknowledged that the Giants were likely to contend and be good. Still got dinged for whining. I know I can’t please everyone all the time, but without opinions, this site is worthless. More so.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
This is so fascinating to me. I feel like 99% of comments here agree with you and/or are cynical. But, I am clearly totally wrong.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I’d say that Grant tends to take a pretty balanced view of things.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
he probably gets a lot of emails we don't see
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And Twitter responses. Also, I’m thin-skinned.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
That Sullivan guy is a hunk.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It’s tough being an esoteric unknown known niche-non-celebrity.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 17, 2012 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
/nods
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
LOL TWITTER
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I just want you to know that my dad, who is not tech savvy enough to master the comments portion of this site, reads your posts daily and loves them. He’s always like “that Grant Brisbee is great” and we discuss what you wrote.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
by rotorueter on Jan 17, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
/flagged as troll
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
real rec
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
My gunt is so hard and wet right now.
by Every6thDay on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how ‘bout some cred to the Giants for trying to undo some of their past financial misdeeds and giving their homegrows a chance? Schierholtz surely deserves a shot in right based on how he played before getting hurt last year. Belt, Crawford, et al, if they play well, then they’ll play, as it should be. There’s no way to have a more sure thing waiting in the wings without throwing a bunch of cash at mercenaries like Beltran, hence, likely repeating the same missteps of the past.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I bet Schulman has a great article for you.
Also,
Belt, Crawford, et al, if they play well, then they’ll play, as it should be
Holy shit there’s no way you watched last season. It’s the exact fucking opposite. That blows my mind you think that’s true.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
hitting around .200 is not playing well
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
But you want to know the fucked up part?
He hit better than Huff, and it wasn’t particularly close.
.718(101+) to .676(90+)
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
I wish people would stop acting like Brandon Belt was a destroyer of worlds or something. Yes, Huff sucked too. However, Belt was not exactly shouting his upside from the rooftops.
He projects to be very good. But it’s still a projection. And all-in-all, he realistically got screwed out of 200 PAs last year. And that’s if you replaced him with Huff immediately and never look back.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Evidence remains spotty that their homegrowns will get a chance.
Which remains part of the problem.
The only one who is ostensibly getting a guaranteed opportunity is possibly the least qualified to be in at the major league level.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
not to mention the wrong homegrowns are likely to get the biggest shot, and the one who has the best chance of actually helping the team next year might not even get 300 ABs.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Which I realize is pretty much exactly what you said. Lol
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think Belt will get 400 PAs this year.
Simply because he’ll be expected to be our starting 1B in 2013. The safety net is going to get bought out.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
if they play well, then they’ll play, as it should be
How many great players would have sat on the bench had this been the approach with them?
mercenaries like Beltran
Henry Schulman Sep 29, 2010
Did you know the Giants were a bunch of mercenaries, unlike the Padres, a real team? That’s kind of what I got out of this quote from Padres starter Mat Latos via Scott Miller of cbssports.com:
"Baseball works in funny ways. The only way I could honestly put it is, we could be like the Giants and go and change our whole lineup, put guys with ‘San Francisco Giants’ across their jerseys. We didn’t.
"We added two guys (Miguel Tejada and Ryan Ludwick) We’ve been the same team all year. We haven’t just gone and grabbed guys from other teams."
So, Pat Burrell, Jose Guillen, Cody Ross, Mike Fontenot, Ramon Ramirez, Javier Lopez — how does it feel to be soldiers of fortune?
Beltran had a .926 OPS in 399 PA’s after being traded to the Astros in 2004. He also broke a postseason record of 8 home runs.
After being traded to the Giants, he had a .920 OPS in 179 PA’s.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
You know what?
Screw you. I don’t need to answer to you. In fact, you’re the worst poster here. You add nothing. I’ll do what I want, and you can go fuck yourself. It’s the little pukes like you who make me sick of this site. Go away, and don’t come back.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I was wondering how long it was going to take before someone broke this out.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I thought about looking this up but decided to give someone else a turn.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’m really tired of reading this shit
Solution: stop reading this shit. There! All fixed!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I read it because I wanted to make sure that I wasn't over-reacting
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
So I wonder…is reading shit, like reading tea leaves or something?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Only if you ate a bunch of tea leaves.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
corn: the #2 reason why I won’t work with toddlers.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
No matter how much you chew it, it comes out whole.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
corn: the #2 reason
It helps, but is low on fiber
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Hmm Kamala Harris is the commencement speaker at my Law School graduation
Not terrible but there goes my hope for Jon Stewart or Colbert.
She spoke before Bill Clinton at a convention I was at. Made him look like a mediocre speaker. She’s awesome.
Good to hear! I am sick of sitting on a stage in front of everyone trying to stay awake while a mediocre speaker puts me to sleep.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know …. is there a Harbaugh brother that coaches baseball?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Zito would have to actually make the post season roster..
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Ive always thought of barry zito as a game manager
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
The only time we'll hear or read Barry Zito and "warrior" in the same sentence
is when we read about the independent film he’s co-financing during the regular season, called Avocado Warriors of the Eggfields.
directed by george lucas
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
If Zito can somehow magically improve his velocity.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Patch him in on a call with Lincecum’s Dad?
Choppin' broccoli
by SimpleJaquez on Jan 17, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Patch him in on a call withLincecum’s DadGreg Anderson?
Amirite?
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
3/12?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
312: Pablo’s weight at the end of the deal.
Look! I made a LOLFAT joke!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
3/17 +change
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
Azmanz Bet: 1st HoF: Clemens > Bonds
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
FUCK AND YES
San Francisco Giants @SFGiants 34s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#SFGiants agree to terms on 3-year Major League contract with Pablo Sandoval
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Jan 17, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
why long term deal if no FA year buyout? Curious if there are team options for 4th year.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Cost certainty
Obviously depends on the money
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
finally grant can post about something positive
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Come check out the McC Book Club Start Date 1/21
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Since I was in the neighborhood…
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/8/6/588061/sergio-romo-designated-for
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
If it's 3/17 like Lars said, that's great.
However, I really wish they would have gotten more years out of him.
THINK OF THE PANDA HATS, LARRY
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
My sports comm professor is awesome:
This will tell you all you need to know about Raider nation. I was tailgating before a Raiders game wearing a Raiders sweatshirt and an A’s hat. A boy around 7 years old came up to me, pointed to my hat, and said, “They play in summer, fuckhead.”
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
by mymclife on Jan 17, 2012 4:25 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Source tells me Pablo Sandoval’s contract is worth $17.15 guaranteed, plus incentives.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 17, 2012 4:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
HOLY SHIT
SOMETHING GOOD!!!!!!!!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I’m not sure how to process this information…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I like that.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 17, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Or son of ggf will bitch some more about reading shit.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Or "5 months of Barry Zito"
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I don't like it
He has weakness for hot fudge sundaes.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 17, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
The Sandoval breakdown: $3.2 million this year, $5.7 million in 2013, $8.25 million in 2014. Takes him through all three arbitration years.
Wait, we really didn’t buy out any of his FA years?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No
But it really doesn’t matter with those numbers
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
They may be being cautious because of the weight thing. If he keeps himself in shape I betcha they extend him before he goes FA.
Or they are planning to trade him for a sack of diamond-dri and we all have to break out the pitchforks.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
shift-A
wow hell of a deal for Pablo
is that all three arb years?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Apparently
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
So quick…somebody with a calculator… add up all the signings and payroll whatnot and tell us where the Giants stand on that $130 payroll figure.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
My friend who said he was keeping a chart claims we're 1 mil under
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Positivity!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/17/2714818/pablo-sandoval-giants-agree-to-three-year-deal
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
How did you guess?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 17, 2012 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Who can be positive
Good grief, I mean really who can be positive about this lineup. Everthing points to a total lack of run support again. The Giants have been near or at the bottom of the pack in scoring runs. I don’t care about HR, they just don’t hit for average very well, they don’t drive in runs very well. They just flat don’t score. Everyone is so hell bent on getting both Cain and Lincecum singed long term, we have zippo left for any respectable lineup at all. Maybe we can finaly get a bat after that F)()(&^ Zito contract comes of the books, but by then I am sure the Giants would have spent that money on a relief pitchers or something diumb.
by Giants-Just-Win on Jan 17, 2012 5:56 PM PST reply actions
Really
cuz that’s just not true…
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
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