Community Prospect List #30 RUNOFF
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM PST
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PrintIt's Mendoza and Correa in a runoff for the 30th spot. This poll will be open until 6pm PST tomorrow, January 17th.
As always, I'll make a judgement call based on how close the voting is to determine whether the loser will get the next spot, or will get thrown back into the pool. Input is encouraged and welcome.
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Sheesh...
I don’t vote for 4 days, and Mendoza still isn’t off the board.
It’s 12 Correa, 11 Mendoza after my vote.
It warms the cockles of my heart that people at MCC care enough that we can have a run-off vote for the organization’s #30 prospect.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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by jcb9 on Jan 16, 2012 8:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I went with Correa, but there was very little to separate them. I’d have preferred Kelby, I think.
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this son of Cabrera.
Seems like Correa and Mendoza are as different as prospects can be. Test cases for whether you value floor or ceiling more I suppose.
by Roger on Jan 17, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think so
Correa could be a three foot tall lisping Australian rugby player with gay parents and a hatred of the letter “K” who is secretly an alien. As it stands, they’re both Latin American pitchers in the Giants organization who may or may not have ML value.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
True enough. But in terms of separation, one’s an oldish upper minors level reliever who’s almost certain to log a few major league innings with a lively arm and we’ll take it from there (maybe an Osiris Matos type with less Kerrific stuff), while the others a youngish starter who’s a long way from the majors but with interesting upside. So to that degree they occupy opposite sides of the ceiling/floor debate.
Yeah
I agree with the intent of your post, I just didn’t see enough imagination in it. Dream big, Roger!
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
I posted this in a different thread, but didn't get any responses, thought I'd try again
Tomlinson is interesting to me
Does anyone have any info on him? I know the basics:
Supposed to be an above average defender
Had a solid debut, albeit in the AZL
Late promotion to Augusta
I’ve heard his bat isn’t great, but in what way?
Mr. Flibble is very cross.
Great glove, decent plate discipline, no power (SSS in the AZL, a league which he was too old for).
Should start at Augusta I’d bet, with Panik playing SS in San Jose. The incumbent is someone named Bobby Haney, who I’ve never heard of, and Ydwin Villegas, who is org filler.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
LOL verb-number agreement. “The incumbents are” is what I meant.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
But he does have a College World Series Championship ring!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Well here was the BA scouting report for him going into the draft.
Shortstop Kelby Tomlinson starred for two years at Seward County (Kan.) CC and then in the Jayhawk League last summer, where he rated as the top position prospect and led Liberal to the National Baseball Congress World Series championship. His speed is his only plus tool, but he’s a steady defender at short and has a patient approach at the plate. A 6-foot-3, 175-pound righthanded hitter, he’ll never have much pop and will need to get stronger so pitchers won’t pound him inside in pro ball
With Panik manning SS in the NWL, the Giants chose to leave Tomlinson in a league that he was much too old for and which, imho, didn’t do him any favors developmental-wise in so doing, as the AZL isn’t much of a challenge for college kids. He’ll probably be in Augusta to start 2012, but at the moment there’s not much interesting to me about the package.
There’s a team in Kansas named Liberal? LOL
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
LOL indeed.
Important point in that scouting report is it isn’t exactly hyping up his glove. Makes him sound like a lesser version of Joe Panik.
Right. I seemed to remember it as “superb glove” but the two scouting reports I’ve read so far both say “solid”.
I’d imagine, considering the general consensus that Panik will likely move to 2B, that Tomlinson is better than him defensively at short, but its not by much.
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 17, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
It is somewhat strange to me that the BA report that you posted makes not a single mention of his 2011 season at Texas Tech. Seems to me that is a very old scouting report from before the 2010 draft (when he was eligible because he was playing for a JuCo).
I bring this up because Tomlinson was voted the top college defensive SS in the country and awarded the Division 1 Gold Glove by the American Baseball Coaches Association following his 2011 season at TT. I’ll be the first to admit that players do get gold gloves in college and the majors when they don’t really deserve them, but those players are usually well-known, over-hyped and/or popular fan favorites. Since Tomlinson was not well-known (his name didn’t come up in any of the extensive pre-draft research that I did) or a fan favorite, I’m going to assume that he deserved the award over some very well-known and hyped defense-first college SS. Tomlinson ended the 2011 season on a 24-game errorless streak and recorded only one error in his final 33 games.
I think that he’s a legit prospect who got better in the field and at the plate in each of his 3 college seasons. He’s a smart ballplayer that is patient at the plate, makes consistent contact and is a very good baserunner. He’s only 4 months older than Joe Panik, so it’s not as if he was well overage for the AZL last year, and the Giants did have enough confidence in his glove and bat to send him to Augusta for their 3 game playoff series in September. His stats at TTU and Scottsdale show some glimmers of hope – especially given how much we need solid SS prospects:
TTU: .307/.415/.372/.787 … AB=218, wOBA=.368, 2B=7, 3B=2, HR=1, BB=39 (14.5%), K=35 (13%), SB=21 of 29 (72%)
AZL: .357/.417/.543/.960 … AB=140, wOBA=.414, 2B=10, 3B=5, HR=2, BB=14 (9.0%), K=22 (14.1%), SB=11 of 13 (85%)
In short, I can’t imagine that he’s not one of the top 30 prospects in our system right now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah, I thought that was strange, too. It was stamped 2011 draft, but it’s that he didn’t have an actual scouting report for last year and it’s an older one.
As for the rest, I think if you’re 20 and/or a major college player you’re way too old for the AZL. And of note, in an AZL that was really pretty weak this year, Tomlinson didn’t make a mention in the league prospect rankings.
I don’t know. I don’t have in the top 30, nor particularly close. Right now he just looks like inventory to me.
He seems like one of the more interesting pieces of inventory though,
It seems that because of how the middle infield depth charts stacked up he was relegated to a league that he was too good for, from which it’s difficult for us to get a judicial read on what his skills may be.
Maybe next year, with a more appropriate challenge we’ll better know what the Giants have.
For the time being I think I’m more inclined to side with Fla-Giant’s optimism of Kelby Tomlinson. Maybe Crawford with more hit, less power?
Mr. Flibble is very cross.
There are a lot of guys from this past year’s draft who are intriguing, but we really need to see them play a full season of pro ball (Blackburn, Arnold, Payne and Kentrell Hill also immediately come to mind) before we get a true handle on their ceiling/chances of making it. I bet all five of those guys either make major leaps or drop precipitously in these rankings next year.
Not just a team but a whole town!
It’s one of those places in Kansas that has participated in the significant demographic shift that has swept western Kansas over the past ten or twenty years — don’t know if you saw this NYT article from a couple months back about this phenomenon. Wikipedia tells me that Liberal is 59% Hispanic.
Mendoza
Been on my radar for a while.
It warms the cockles of my heart that people at MCC care enough that we can have a run-off vote for the organization’s #30 prospect.
This is hilarious.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It’s so true. And, I have to say that these discussions have saved my sanity. They are much more fun than the talk about the big club’s off season moves (and lack thereof).
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
by kdl on Jan 17, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s a rec.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I am already planning my summer of minor league baseball. I have barely considered attending Giants games, except when Torres and the Mets are in town.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I have the season tickets here not because I am a Reno Aces fan, I’m a baseball fan. The split on the season tickets costs me about the same as coming down for Dodgers/Giants series.
Do I miss the Giants in the Big Phone ? Sure, but I get to see 36 games of minor league baseball.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Admit it, you’re addicted to runs.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Very Funny…the Aces did score 846 runs in 2011 though.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
This is a coin flip for me…. it’s heads – that means I’m going with Correa.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
5 hours to go, and Correa leads Mendoza by 7 votes. Should I just award the loser spot #31? I think if the separation is less than 10 votes that’s what I’m going to do.
In this line with the rest
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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