A Case for Not Barry Zito
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 13, 2012 1:03 PM PST
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PrintThis is a thought exercise. The Giants are done for the offseason. They might sign Matt Cain to an extension, and we'll light some sparklers if that happens. But it's January 13th, and I'm saving my Chris Brown retrospective for a day when I'm really out of ideas.
But, man oh man, how I want the Giants to sign Hiroki Kuroda to a one-year contract.
The Giants don't need starting pitching, in case you've been vacationing at your winter cabin in 2006. They need a hitter. You'll get Angel Pagan and Melky Cabrera and like it. The Giants didn't want to pay Aubrey Huff money to Carlos Beltran, so there's just about zero chance that they'll pay a premium for a one-year deal for another starting pitcher. This is just furious rosterbating for the sake of furious rosterbating.
But more than that, it's an admission that I'm not comfortable with the Giants' roster. You probably aren't either. Optimistic for whatever reason? Sure, go nuts. I'm not saying that in the dead of winter that you shouldn't predict Nate Schierholtz to build on his 112 OPS+, or for Brandon Belt to somehow get 500 at-bats and tear the roof off the sucker, or for Buster Posey to come back even better, like that kid from Rookie of the Year. That's just dandy. Winter is for dreaming, you beautiful creature.
If the Giants can get better, though, I'd like them to do it. They're hovering in that 81-to-91-wins zone right now. Every extra push would be swell. And when you look at the roster, there aren't a lot of easy fixes. There isn't a free agent better than Brandon Crawford; there aren't a lot of trade possibilities either. Any more outfielders will just mess with Brandon Belt's playing time/roster spot. The lineup is spoken for.
Upgrading on Barry Zito is the last chance us furious rosterbators have. For the record, I'm fine with Zito as a fifth starter. In an alternate universe, Zito signed with the Mets, was just released, and I'm thinking that the Giants should take a flyer on him. He's a fifth starter's fifth starter. Perfect amount of risk vs. reward vs. inning-munching vs. other internal options. But if you're looking for a way to make the team better.
Quick reminder of how sunk costs work: Getting a $10 million pitcher to replace a $20 million pitcher doesn't mean that the Giants are spending $30 million on a fifth starter. It just means that they're spending $10 million to make the team better. The rest of the money is already gone. You know this. I know you know this. But because there were rumors that some ownership-types got upset that the Giants cut Aaron Rowand because he made so much money, I just wanted to throw that out there again.
My thesis is this:
1. Kuroda is good
Year Age G IP BB SO 2008 33 3.73 31 183.1 42 116 112 2009 34 3.76 21 117.1 24 87 106 2010 35 3.39 31 196.1 48 159 114 2011 36 3.07 32 202.0 49 161 121
2. Signing him would cheese the Dodgers off. Their fans, too.
3. He'd make the Giants more likely to make the playoffs in 2012.
4. It's not my money.
There it is. The same arguments apply to Roy Oswalt, with the exception of #2 up there. Which is almost the most important one. Plus, Oswalt's back is made out of dried seaweed and tennis balls. He'd go full Randy Johnson on us.
The Giants, as constructed, should be an interesting team. A flawed team that missed opportunities to improve, but an interesting team that should contend. They still have one chance to get better. They won't take it, but the important thing is that we rosterbated.
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I thought this was going to be about Eric Surkamp.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Might be in the minority.
But I think that the Giants short- and long-term interests are better served with Zito in the ML rotation and Surkamp in AAA.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Meh
I disagree, but if they do what you’re suggesting, I’m guessing it’ll take them about 4 Zito starts before they replace him with Surkamp anyway, so no biggie.
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And what do they do at that point? Phantom DL him?
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Phantom DL, bullpen, release, whathaveyou.
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Make him a hitter like theyre doing with Chuck Lofgren
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Have you ever seen Zito swing the bat?
257 career ABs, .101 SLG, ZERO extra base hits. I don’t recall him ever hitting a sharp grounder to an infielder, even.
The skip was giving a killer rowing demo and dammit it if Zeets didn’t get hit by an oar. He said he’s ok, but we’ll see. We’re really sorry about that there new Mrs. Zeets.
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Ideally for Surkamp’s development, yes. But I doubt we have a better #5 SP (or even #4?) in the organization right now.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Brian Burres? Or perhaps the original, right-handed (but young) version of Surkamp, Yusmeiro Petit? I just saw we signed him to a minor league contract as well.
Me three
I also think that Brandon Crawford and Hector Sanchez will be better served by playing at least 4 months in AAA this year.
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Zarry Bito.
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On a similar topic
how bad an idea would Jack Wilson at $1m have been to be not Emmanuel Burriss while possibly doubling as not-Brandon Crawford?
Not a bad idea at all
Dude can catch, but not hit..
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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I'm meh
Mostly because Wilson can’t really hit
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Also
Are there going to be two wild cards next year or not? Has this been worked out yet?
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The whispers are that with Selig's extension he will push it to be implemented this year.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
does this weird anyone else out?
1. because of the obvious.
2. but also because it kinda makes me like him a little bit more and that goes against everything that should be normal.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Jan 13, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions
He's from Oklahoma
He’s a bandwagoner. You should hate him more
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Following up from the previous thread
January 25, 2002
A 19-year-old woman filed a report with Columbus police on Sunday morning alleging (Shelden)Williams, 18, (De’Angelo)Alexander, 17, and Matthew Kemp, 17 forced her into sexual conduct at the Columbus Hyatt Hotel at about 2 a.m. Sunday morning while two other players watched, according to The Oklahoman.
The Midwest City team was in Columbus, Ohio, to compete in the National Hoops Classic basketball tournament.
I saw this for the first time the other day.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, this is Shelden Williams:
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
the other guys was like DAAAAAAAAMMMMNNN
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
BURN IT
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Also, the Giants only need 81 wins to make the playoffs with the new expanded format...
and that the entire NL West (and, likely, the rest of the NL) will regress to true talent levels, making the Giants a shoe-in to clinch. Also, I daresay the NL West winner will only have 84-86 wins, so there’s a chance with some luck (remember: the Giants had more injuries than anybody in baseball last year. They won’t have that problem this year, while other teams are due for bad injury luck). The division just isn’t that good. The Dodgers, Rockies, Padres and Diamondbacks haven’t done anything that impresses me this off-season, and with the Giants getting four free agents (Melky, Pagan, Sanchez and Posey) to go with Pablo (who is going to ascend to the next level) and Huff (who will likely be closer to his 2010 performance) and Crawford (who will hit better than you all think), I think the Giants are going to score just enough to go with that dominate pitching (which shows no signs of slowing down) and make all the naysayers look as foolish as Matt Kemp in a 49ers hat.
I like you.
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NO!
Oswalt!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:23 PM PST reply actions
No Oswalt is correct!
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Now listen if y’all’ll just copperate
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LIKE FUN I WILL
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I’m sorry sir, but I have gone and hit a hit to right
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bury my sack in a Louisiana ant hill
i did it again
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Being a specialist means I'm special!
What do you mean whole inning?
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sit down
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
In a LITERAL sea of hilarity
“What do you mean whole inning?” was probably the funniest.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I’ve tried to decide what is the funniest part, and I keep coming back to, “I’m playing in a baseball game!”
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
SURPRISE BITCHES!
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I think DOUBLE
PLAY was the funniest bit.
But really it just keeps building. It’s a complete Thing.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
sit down
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Still so, so funny.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
He’s actually super nice. I always got that impression through my tellabizhin, but I met him at the ASG in 2007 and he gave me a ball and he was nice and drawly and aww-shucksish.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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He seems like cool guy to me.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
“like a”
Wikipedia says he’s married to his high school sweetheart and they have two children together. He also attended junior college for two years.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
he's one of those "game face" guys
It’s easy to get the impression that he’s a dick because he goes out to the mound ready to destroy people, but apparently that’s all just the day job, so to speak.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I watched the Sienfeld episode last night where they make a bet about who will last the longest without rosterbating. Once they rosterbate, they sleep better, while everyone else sleeps worse. That’s how I feel.
Also, let’s trade a prospect for Carlos Beltran, I’ve heard he’s good and could improve our offense significantly.
Sign Fielder to play first, move Belt to left, trade Zito to Hollywood for all of their VHS tapes in stock, trade Brian Wilson for shortstop…
fapfapfapfapfap
zzzzzzz
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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Barry Zito baseball card?
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yea
I like the fact that the first to “lose” the bet actually “won” the episode. Krammer hooked up with the girl while Jerry lost out on his girl, and Elaine lost out on JFKjr.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Kuroda/Oswalt.
More insurance for a possible Vogelsong or Zito collapse.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense! Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
We’re already locked in on Vogelsong for 2 years.
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Doesn't mean he can't collapse.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense! Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Oh yes it does. Otherwise the FO wouldn’t have given him a 2 year deal.
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by speckops on Jan 13, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants didn’t want to pay Aubrey Huff money to Carlos Beltran, while they were still paying Aubrey Huff money to Aubrey Huff.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I know what you’re thinking, but that money is destined for the RDF.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants have real estate to develop
They can’t be spending all willy-nilly on that inconvenient baseball team.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Kuroda would be awesome.
I’m trying to remember a time when we didn’t have Zito. Whose face am I going to Photoshop when he’s gone?
Dumb FA signing #612.
Whenever that happens.
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by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Was his first year as a Giant also McC’s inaugural year?
by non sequitur on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Eugenio Velez is ever lurking.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
This
Unless he somehow is good.
LOL me
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Charles Johnson ?
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by nvsfg on Jan 13, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
This should be the new official McC logo.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Still makes me laugh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Is #3 Lincecum?
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This time last year, people were pretty high on the Giants’ chances. Sure, there were concerns, but most people were pretty psyched. The team hasn’t really changed in any significant way from that opening day team, neither has the NL West as a whole, yet, it’s all doom and gloom and oh aint it awful.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
And Huff wasn’t coming off an awful year…
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by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
But Panda was
So Huff and Panda kind of cancel each other out.
I think last year’s optimism should apply to this year:
Pagan is this year’s Torres
Melky is this year’s Ross
Madbum is even better, but Wilson is a question mark
We now have Vogelsong to be optimistic about
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Pagan is this year’s Torres
Pagan is not coming off a 6 win season.
Melky is this year’s Ross
That actually may be a good comparison, and that actually does not make me optimistic. See: Ross production 2010 vs 2011.
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Were you really expecting another 6 win season from Torres?
My expectation for Pagan is pretty similar to what I expected from Torres in 2011
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No, because counting on 6 win season is pretty much never where the smart money is.
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So that's my point
I think Torres and Pagan are both probably 2 or 3 win players, with Pagan a little more consistent offensively and younger and therefore more likely to be that 2 or 3 win guy.
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If I had to project Torres for last season, I would probably have said he’d be a 4 win player. I think projecting him as a 2 or 3 win player after his 2010 would be crazy—did anyone think he’d fall that far? I don’t think I could reasonably project Pagan to be that in 2012 (which is not to say that he won’t do that—he certainly could), so that’s why I’m less bullish on Pagan in ’12 than Torres in ’11.
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If Melky is in CF
I will set myself on fire and hug Bruce Bochy.
There is no way Melky comes close to 2 wins if he is the regular CF.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm saving my Melky projection for the Melky Community Projection post.
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tee hee. “Melky projection.”
From Goofus:
Melky is this year’s Ross
I think this is a pretty apt comparison, because Ross in 2010 and Cabrera in 2011 both had BABIPs that were well above their career norms. And look at what happened to Ross this year.
That’s why I’m not optimistic about Melky.
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Perhaps my non-stat view of Kaufman is wrong. I thought a big park like that was more like Colorado in terms of offense (all those KC doubles last year) and AT&T is more neutral. Petco is also a killer. Dodgers stadium, I believe, trends more pitcher-friendly.
Also, outside of Verlander and maybe a couple of the White Sox starters, what does the AL Central have, pitching-wise, over the NL West?
Got it.
Yeah, not particularly optimistic.
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I look at his age as being a point in his favor. I certainly consider the possibility that he will be decent. I think 12 HR and a .320-.330 OBP are doable.
Assuming career average defense, that combination would basically make him a 1.5 win player. Not much to get excited about, in other words.
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I won't be surprised when Torres is the better player in 2012
And I will be annoyed when we don’t have a CF in 2013. Gary Brown better hurry the fuck up next year.
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I thought Torres' high WAR in 2010 was due to a ton of defensive value
…which I keep being told here I shouldn’t count on until we have like three full seasons of data.
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Well, you want to regress it heavily before that
But good news! Torres has almost 3 seasons worth of data that put him at frickin’ amazing in the OF. +10 seems like a fair estimate to me, given his numbers, which would make him one of the best in baseball.
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Agree. I think projecting him as a 4 fWAR player in 2011 was not a stretch, and I think that projecting Pagan as a 4 fWAR player in 2012 is.
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I think 4 fWAR is attainable for Pagan, but it is contingent on his defense “rebounding.” Which I think is precisely what the org is counting on.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think it’s within the realm of possibility, but probably outside the 90% confidence interval.
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wait why is Torres more likely to find his hitting than Pagan his Fielding?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Honestly, I can’t comment on Pagan because I don’t know what people who watched him every day thought of him. His UZR in 2011 is noise, for all I know.
I think, though, that Torres has a lot more upside than Pagan. And, because I think this team is likely to win about 86 games, I’ll take the high variance player at that level every time.
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And, because I think this team is likely to win about 86 games, I’ll take the high variance player at that level every time.
Now this is an argument I haven’t seen on here before, and definitely one I can respect w/r/t signing the “big bat” vs. average-ish pieces.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I’ve trotted it out on occasion this offseason. It was one of the reasons I really wanted Beltran, actually. With the team at the level I think it is, I will absolutely take the Big Bopper who might be the Big Flopper (due to injuries or whatever) every time over the averageish pieces that we’ve been acquiring.
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Like I said, I totally respect that.
I don’t know if I really have a strong opinion on the matter (though this argument might change it a bit), but I at least understand why the FO has opted for risk distribution.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
not to be annoying
but why?
Pagan has had good years at the plate the last three years. He had a bad year defensively last year but has been good otherwise.
He is also 4 years younger than Torres and does not have the ADHD concern
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 4:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Pagan, last three years, wRC+: 120, 113, 99. I’m not entirely sure I believe that trends like that have much meaning, but I’m also not sure that I’d say he’s been good at the plate.
Torres’ last three years, wRC+: 133, 126, 85. Torres is almost certainly better defensively, and I think he’s got more upside with the bat as well.
Not sure how much of a role age plays in this. The ADHD thing is a factor that needs to be accounted for, but truthfully I’m not sure how much to weigh it.
Again, it comes back to my viewpoint that as a mid-80 win team, I’d want the high-risk, high-reward commodity.
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how much of this is because Pagan played corner OF?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 4:27 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
How much is his downslide at the plate due to playing COF rather than CF? I’m not sure what you’re asking. All of his defensive appearances in 2011 were in CF.
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no wRC+…I don’t know much about the state. I know his oWAR has been pretty good the past 3 years
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 4:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Got it. wRC+ is independent of position. I believe 100 is league average for position players. The point is that his bat has been going the wrong way the past three years, and even at its peak, it wasn’t as good as Torres’ bat.
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I have a few doubts about how accurately UZR evaluates defense, but yeah, the scouting and stats are pretty much in line. Dude is good.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don't like to trust my eyes
But just watching him, it seems pretty evident that holy god is he good.
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You don't have to trust them
when you have the stats to support it.
“Trust my eyes” is more like ’09 Sandoval at third base. Looks really good at times, but the numbers disagree.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Does he?
But good news! Torres has almost 3 seasons worth of data that put him at frickin’ amazing in the OF. +10
In the last three seasons, he’s only started about 220 games. going into last season, to which I was referring, he had started just over 20 games for his whole career (plus some games as a defensive sub). That’s what I was referring to when I said I thought there might not be enough data to confirm his defensive value.
This is not meant to denigrate his defense, just whether he could be “counted on” to contribute that many wins just with his defense.
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"20" should be "200"
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6.8 fWAR in 2010, 2.2 of which was from UZR porn. I think it’s reasonable to say that Andres was 5-10 runs above an average CF, so we’ll call that a 1.5 fWAR hit, dropping him down to 5.3 fWAR. Regress for general aging and the possibility of injury, that’s probably another 0.5-0.75 hit, so he’s at 4.7 fWAR. Regress for the possibility of his BABIP returning to what you think his true talent is (perhaps a .020 drop compared to his .331 mark in 2010), putting you at around 4 fWAR.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We’ll never be as optimistic as when we came off a WS title. The McCoven optimism peaked last year. I think it’s all downhill now.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
But realistically, the amount of optimism should fall somewhere between this off season and last.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think the doom and gloom folks are a little more vocal
…and the general consensus is somewhere closer to, “Assuming they don’t have another year of rotten luck (injuries and RISP) The 2012 Giants should be able to compete for the NL West Title”
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I think we all have an “end-of-the-season” hangover right now. Meaning we still have that putrid offense fresh in our minds. We all don’t want to go through that again.
With seeing Beltran go away, and no significant upgrade at ANY position, with the exception of Posey returning, I think a lot of people are worried about experiencing what we all saw at the end of the season happen for the entire 2012 season.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
I felt putrid watching it. Ergo, it was a putrid offense.
SCIENCE!
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Don't trust your feeling, Luke
It was a lot more than just Posey’s injury; Sanchez, Burrell, Panda, Beltran, Ross, Torres, Fontenot, even freakin’ bill Hall’s injury hurt. On top of that, they were extremely unlucky with how poorly they hit with RISP.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself
and I tried
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And it was REALLY unlucky and REALLY injured.
This Baggs entry, for me, said it all – from that horrible August day in Atlanta.
I was like “you’ve got to be kidding me … what else can happen?”
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
But the offense wasn't putrid. It was just unlucky and injured.
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Were they unlucky and injured? Sure. I understand that. But if that offense wasn’t putrid, then what is a putrid offense?
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Touche.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
That's true
I think as a group we’re all crashing and want that buzz back. If the Giants followed up the 2008 season with this roster we’d be in circle jerk mode.
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I enjoyed the TGWTWS buzz, but am just happy if they're competitive and entertaining
I try not to get overly amped one way or another
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I was the biggest proponent for re-signing everyone from the 2010 team for a victory lap. I wish money was spent elsewhere this year, but I say that every offseason. It’s still a great time to be a Giants fan. I don’t do doom & gloom too much.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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Wait, what?
Huff coming off a terrible year rather than a career year, Posey and Freddy returning from season-ending injuries, and the pitching getting one year older are supposed to make me feel better?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No, however, if Huff sucks again, indications are good that the Giants are ready to cut him loose. Posey looks to be having a very good rehab and is still only 24, and well, I grant you the Freddy thing is a problem.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
You ask why I’m less optimistic. Well compare:
Posey looks to be having a very good rehab and is still only 24
to “Posey is coming off being named Rookie of the Year.”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
How about Aaron Rowand, Miguel Tejada, and Orlando Cabrera are no longer with the team.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’ll give you that one of those people (Errant Throwin) was poop.
One of those people wasn’t on the team last year though, so no fair using him.
And I think Tejada’s reasonably expected production (~1.5 fWAR, somewhere between bench and below average) is about what Crawford’s ceiling is this season. Obviously Tejada turned out way worse than that, but that’s hindsight, and not something we knew last offseason.
So no, that’s not really convincing to me either.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We should all be thankful it was a 1-year deal.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
I posted almost that exact thing when the deal was announced
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Based on what?
Some premonition?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He was coming off a 2010 with an OPS+ of 104
I thought he might be able to help a little with the bat and not kill us with his defense. (I know, LOL me)
I certainly had higher expectations of him that I had of Uribe when we first got him
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Does Panda coming off a great year and the emergence of Vogelsong make you feel better?
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Those things are nice.
But you still never know what will happen. If 2011 (and 2010, ftm) taught us anything, it should at least teach us that.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’d say that I’m cautiously optimistic about Vogelsong. I’m reserving judgment on Panda until he starts batting from both sides of the plate.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He has been. Said the shoulder is fine.
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That is indeed great news, then.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He actually tweeted this to me
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I used to be an optimist like you
but then I took an arrow to the knee
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Ohhhhh mannnnn
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m optimistic about this season but I’m also bummed that the Giants didn’t do more this offseason to improve the team.
WWRWD?
That's fair
But I also look at the big signings and can see why they would have thought the deals for guys like Reyes, Beltran and Pujols were either too risky and/or too much dough.
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I’m not so much optimistic as hopeful. But prepared for disappointment. Because the Giants didn’t do much this offseason to improve the team.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Well, yeah…
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Today is my daughter's birthday
We ordered a Princess cake with light up displays for Audrey this week. After we picked up the cake last night I noticed that only one of the three princesses has a light source, the other two were decorations only. Audrey asked me why it did not match the promo picture.
I paused, and the only thing I can tell her was
“The cake is a lie.”
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jan 13, 2012 1:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Try giving a kid a birthday pie, see how that goes over.
Darn pie hippies.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Most people have taste buds, you have taste enemies.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
EVERY6THDAY LINKED TO VAMPIRISM
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The only thing cake has over pie
Is that strippers never jump out of pie.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
And birthday cake. If kids don’t get cake on their birthdays they turn into said strippers.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I am calling this: point Pie.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
“your promised reward is merely a fictitious motivator”.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
xx
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jan 13, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You can relax now, I've saved everything
On vacation with the in-laws and my girlfriend’s brother says he knows one of the major owners of the Giants (or has a friend who is a friend of one of the major owners). So….I relayed the message to the friend of the friend that owns the teams that they need to upgrade their payroll, sign another hitter, and then sign Matty & Timmy and with that and since I’m sure that message will be relayed and the FO will heed my advice, everything is going to be alright now.
Huzzah!
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 13, 2012 1:44 PM PST reply actions
Thanks, friend's girlfriend's brother's friend!
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The Fielder/Timmy/Matt signing press conference should come sometime later this week
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
BLOG LINKS FIELDER TO GIANTS
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Williams and Ginn need to play
The 49ers and Saints made public their official status reports for their division-round matchup on Saturday. It could only be seen as a good sign for the 49ers, who had Delanie Walker and his broken jaw upgraded to questionable.
The Saints, on the other hand, got confirmation that they would be without weapon Lance Moore. It should be noted, though, that New Orleans was without Moore last week, and still put up their third consecutive 45-point game.
San Francisco 49ers
Questionable
CB Chris Culliver (knee, illness), WR Ted Ginn (ankle), DT Ray McDonald (hamstring), TE Delanie Walker (jaw), WR Kyle Williams (concussion)New Orleans Saints
Questionable
LB Jonathan CasillasProbable
S Roman Harper, WR Robert MeachemOut
WR Lance Moore, TE John Gilmore
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Losing Walker really hurts
I hope Williams and Ginn are able to go as well, we really need them.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
yeah
and the offense is still hurting from a lack of Josh Morgan, and he’s been gone since Week 5. I’d feel a lot more confident about the Niners chances this week if it didn’t seem like every pass has to go to either Crabtree or Vernon Davis.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Lets not forget about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obHhsNhvW0g&feature=player_detailpage
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Kuroda
Dude is good. One of the most underrated pitchers in the sport during his time in Los Angeles.
Disclaimer: Kuroda is a decade older.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Correct.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Studies show
that furious rosterbaiting can lead to blindness.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 13, 2012 1:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
In kittens
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
but slow, measured rosterbating is safe?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Still gathering data.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is there any other reason we do it?
This is just furious rosterbating for the sake of furious rosterbating.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Relieves the stress of no baseball…
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Clicked the activities tab on twitter
Most ppl followed girls with hot looking avatars this week.
A fellow McCoven followed two conservative looking white guys and a benefits research institute
And another fellow McCoven followed 2 male porn actors.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
lol
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I think a McCoven was teaching softball to male porn actors a few days ago
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
ding ding ding
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Wait, what?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It's true!
But damned if I can remember who it was.
LOLOLD
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
I think the last twitter account I followed was
@HAL9000
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
A friend had one of those motivational quotes on FB
“We are what we do”
I wanted to comment, “Then I guess I am masturbate”
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Haha
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
You're Mrs. Goofus!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jan 13, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh the possibilities.
Also I’m going to use that if someone I know post that.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This reallly needs more love:
the important thing is that we rosterbated
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM PST reply actions
also, I think that the Giants will do precisely what the Niners did—unexpectedly win many games this seaso. Here’s the math:
13/16*162 = 132 wins, 30 losses.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Is Barry Zito the worst 5th starter in baseball?
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM PST reply actions
Probably not
Relative to salary? Definitely.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
After doing a cursory glance at his stats, Barry hasn’t really been that bad as a Giant. He’s had one bad year and a bunch of average ones…and last years injury plagued disaster. So I guess he’s a pretty okay fifth starter. We just expect to lose every time he pitches which makes every fifth game non-fun.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Relative to what the Giants are paying him, he’s been a disappointment. Had we been paying him $4 million a year, I don’t think the Zito hate would be very high.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
It's exacerbated by the fact that Zito needs four runs of support for the team to win and that can be asking alot of the Giants
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How many teams actively aim for an average offenseGiants aim for 4 runs scored. They won 90%+ games they score 4 in.
Also scored like 40 runs below where they should have (putrid BA with 2 out, RISP)
Team put major pressure on scoring last year, only to make everyone press, and therefor suck. I hope they just dial it back, and let the hitters do their thing.
I stand corrected.
Most of your posts like that are full of straw men.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Exactly four runs every game.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
xx
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Unglued was awesome
unhinged, not so much honestly.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Compared to Kamigawa
Unhinged was like a real set!
Unhinged suffered from them trying to create it more like a real magic set.
Unglued was more a collection of “Hey lets make fun of magic” cards.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
This is one of my favorites
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
dude
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Half mana?
What if you dont spend it, do you lose half a life?
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Wow I am out of it
So first turn you could summon 2 of those?
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Theoretically yes.
But then you run the downfall of having this card in your deck.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
or 4 of these
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The worst-best or the best-worst?
My favorite description of Brett Favre: either he was the worst great QB of all time or the greatest bad QB of all time.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I’d say that about Elway. You could make a case that Favre is the best QB of all time, no?
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Only if you make the case the Cal Ripken Jr. is the best of all-time. Favre, to me, is most memorable for losing crucial games over and over with interceptions at crunch time.
Favre is of course a great QB. It’s just a funny way of making fun of his flaws. He is no Elway, though. Elway carried teams on his back.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
He’s not even a Top-10 all-timer to me.
1. Montana
2. Elway
3. Unitas
4. Brady
5. Manning
6. Marino
7. Starr
8. Aikman
9. Bradshaw
10. Graham
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Where is Steve Young? He was better than Montana.
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by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
NinersNation NinersNation
Joe Montana asked what he does better than Steve and vice versa: for first “everything”, for second “throw left-handed”
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I love Young...
But there’s a reason he was backing up an oft-injured Montana. Montana was better.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Montana had been in that system for 8 years. Young was at year #2, maybe 3.
Montana had the benefit of a top flight defense for most of his career. Young had it one year, and he won a Super Bowl that year.
Young was a better rusher and passer. Just look at the stats.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
He had a better season than Montana ever had
His finest season came in 1994 when he posted a then-record 112.8 passer rating by completing 324 of 461 passes for 3,969 yards and 35 touchdowns. Young also added seven rushing touchdowns as he guided the 49ers to a NFC West title with a 13-3 record. The team then coasted through the post-season. In the NFC championship game that year, Young threw two touchdowns and rushed for one as the 49ers downed the Dallas Cowboys 38-28. He topped off the year with an incredible performance in San Francisco ‘s 49-26 win over the San Diego Chargers in Super Bowl XXIX. Young passed for 325 yards and threw a Super Bowl record six touchdowns. He also was the game’s leading rusher with 49 yards on five carries. For his efforts, he was named the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
This is like arguing which child is your favorite
It’s pointless, because it’s obviously the first one.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
:-(
/third-born
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
LOLU
/firstborn
/butmyparentsfavoredmysister
/sadtrombone
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You're ahead of 2nd born!
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
That is true too
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
You are exactly right. It’s a matter of favorites, not of quality. Montana is the favorite, Young was better.
Young was probably on steroids, anyway.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
This
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Montana had chicken legs!
Clearly Steve Young was better.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
And he's going to get knocked farther down by guys like Brees and Rodgers
Also, I’d put Manning ahead of Brady, by a longshot.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
It's a Rings vs. Stats argument...
I favor rings.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
TRENT DILFER WAS WAY BETTER THAN DAN MARINO~
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Ok. Point made. I don’t believe in it to THAT extreme.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Look at the Pats when Brady went down.
Look at the Colts when Manning went down. I rest my case. PERIOD.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Rumors of Manning getting MVP votes this year
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I would be all for them retroactively awarding him every MVP since like 2003
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
And surprisingly
I like Manning WAY better than Brady. I would much rather have Manning than Brady.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
And now they got another potential franchise QB. Fuckers.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
One who appears to be better coming into the league than Manning was.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
You don’t think your case is a little too…. simple?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
but it is rested on a period
point blank
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
The “I rest my case. PERIOD.” was supposed to be sort of tongue in cheek.
It’s probably too simple, but when Brady went down the Pats were still a playoff caliber team (that missed the playoffs, but they were clearly still one of the best teams in the NFL). When Manning went down, the Colts became the worst team in the NFL. It’s a pretty stark difference.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
It’s Manning’s incredibly important but completely invisible contributions to the Colts defense that has me amazed at his value.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
4th in the league in points scored to 28th.
28th in the league in points allowed to 23rd.
I’m not saying, I’m just saying.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
This is where the equivalent of an OPS+ would be useful. Just to see how scoring has changed relative to the league, since this year has been so nutso.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well, I don't think it affects it in this case
Since it’s just rank within the league, it’s basically already “adjusted”. But, team scoring went from 22 PPG to 22.2 PPG.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
You mean points allowed?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Scored or allowed
As a league, it’s the same.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Oh, you were talking about the league. I misunderstood; thought you were talking about the Colts specifically.
I still think weighted would be at least a little bit more helpful, but the point is taken.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Ah, sorry, I misunderstood as well
I’m not sure what you mean by weighted though. Since we’re just talking about the Colts league rank in points scored and allowed, isn’t it already adjusted for the league context?
I may be way off base here, honestly not sure.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Ordinal rankings can be problematic because of the possibility that you have clusters of actual values.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And we've gone beyond my mathematical competence
So I will just nod and back away slowly.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Let’s assume for purposes of example that the Colts defense actually got worse, but a handful of teams slumped even more. This is accounted for by the top teams getting even better. The total points scored remains static, but the shift in distribution gives the appearance of change by the Colts.
If that makes sense.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
speckops:
Way better at stating my opinion than I am.
The move in rankings could have been a product of their defense being static but the pieces around them moving in terms of distribution.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Ah, I get it now
So, what about just the basic “their team scored 12 points less a game”? Is that affected by it, given that league scoring actually remained mostly static?
Or am I still not getting it?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I think it’s obvious that the offense got worse. I’m more interested in the defensive changes, since we were looking at rankings. I guess I didn’t make that obvious before. The rankings would suggest that the defensive improved relative to the league by slot, but it’s less obvious how it technically performed.
Also, I’m too lazy to go look up stats for myself.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Ah
Personally, I’d call the defense a wash, at least superficially looking at the numbers. The difference between 28th and 23rd (24.3 PPG to 26.9 PPG) isn’t significant to me. But again, I’m out of my element at this point.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
You’re entering a world of pain.
(Almost did)
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Eh
A longshot might be too long
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
TWSS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
1. Aikman
2. Roger Staubach
3. Don Merideth
4. Tony Romo
5. Quincy Carter
and then who cares after that, amirite?
We need a tactical strike gunting
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Turkleton?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Needs more Fouts
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by Goofus on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Where would you put Fouts?
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I'd probably shuffle your list a bit
Remove Aikman, add Fouts and have him somewhere between 5 or 6.
I know a lot of people judge QBs by their rings, but I’d say that’s like judging pitchers by their W-L records.
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Meh.
Pitchers W-L is tied to how good their offense is.
QB’s ARE the offense a lot of the time.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
My anology
Pitchers need offensive help to win
QBs need defensive help to win
My point is that it’s a flawed stat if much of the result depends on things outside the individual’s control
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It's funny...
My original point was that Favre wasn’t a Top 10 QB. And NO ONE said I was wrong… Haha….
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
I would rec this five more times if I could.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Air Coryell, right? I remember those guys. Fouts, Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, Kellen Winslow.
by non sequitur on Jan 13, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Lawl
The comments section of Jeff’s post on Bonds is going bonkers.
Most comments any Baseball Nation post’s pr0bably ever had.
Is it McCoven, or moralistic Bonds haters?
by free f.p. #14 on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
McCoven
Arguing with one moralistic Bonds hater.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Yeah, I don’t know how that guy is still going. Or how he’s going to be able to walk or type tomorrow.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
A classic case of Dunning–Kruger
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Holy crap, I just read through all that. I now hate Darren Aronofsky movies.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
To be honest, the guy isn’t doing that much moralizing. He has a position you (and I) don’t agree with and he hasn’t expressed it too well, but the guy isn’t really soapboxing it up. I think he’s getting CalBear’ed.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
He's made up a bunch of weird and random qualifiers, brought forth whenever he's been backed into a corner
If he had a line in the sand, it would be sinusoidal.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Sinusoidal jars.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Consider it a preview of next year's HoF discussion
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to have to ignore baseball during that, aren't I?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Yep
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Most probably.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Nice to see the McCoven got Barry’s and each other’s backs. All that infighting we do daily keeps us sharp!
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
It's like family
Yeah, you fight and at times hate each other, but you hate other people much more.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Oh my god.
Why did I start.
I’m all flustered now.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Sunk costs again
I feel like a lot of people find it relatively easy to dispassionately write off someone else’s multi-million dollar investment using sunk cost logic. And I suppose if future results are a certainty, it should be.
But I can still give the Giants some slack for being reluctant to eat the Zito contract, or some credit for cutting Rowand. Here’s an equation that’s got to be relevant:
Chances Zito/Rowand will do something in the future to make you feel slightly less crappy about writing that big contract:
1) If you keep him: small but non-zero chance
2) If you cut him: absolutely bupkis
And one other thing we do know: sometimes it happens. Witness our World Series MVP… 2 years of disaster finished off with awesomeness.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Cutting them allows you to fill that roster spot with someone who is better.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
What are the chances that Zito will make you feel worse for keeping him on the roster?
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
1) If you keep him: small but non-zero chance minus the chance that the roster spot is used to improve the team
2) If you cut him: absolutely bupkis but with a chance that the roster spot is filled with a player who improves the team
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 13, 2012 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Fellas, I understand the argument
The “find someone better” POV has been run into the ground around here. What I’m offering is a less voiced POV about why the team might be reluctant to do it that actually resonates a little more realistically than “Those stupid Giants just don’t understand what any first year econ student knows about sunk costs.”
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
What are you guys doing for the long weekend?
We are going skiing at Snowshoe (WV) with the wife, kid and some friends. Driving up there as soon as I leave work.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
handegg watching
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Drinking, mostly
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
What will you be drinking is the big question.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Anything in sight.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Skyrim and football by day.
Alcohol by night.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Football by day.
Skyrim and alcohol by night.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Skyrim when I can get the chance, otherwise catching up on household chores and sneaking in some football watching (plus carting the kids around places).
In other words, the usual, except for one extra day to do it.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Skyrim is almost like work. It’s chopping firewood to make money, practicing conjuration and destruction to level up. It takes forever.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 13, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome
I can’t wait to fire it up.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I like making my own armor and shit, and smelting ore and stuff.
Or, as my 6 year old says, I “make my own outfits”.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
LOL U!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Your boss is racist!
Isn’t a court holiday? My firm used to always give us court holidays off.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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We don’t do much in court. All of our clients will be out, probably, though.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Ergo, you should also get the day off.
If you’d like, I can send your boss a note excusing you for the day:
“Dear kdl’s boss:
Please excuse kdl from work today. If you don’t, you’re a racist.
Best,
can of corn"
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I got the option to take off Monday.
But I don’t really see the point, just had a week off from Christmas to New Years.
Brandon Crawford: Yeah, but check out that Defense!
Lars Bet: 1st HoF: Bonds > Clemens
Football tomorrow, hiking or biking Sunday, volunteer work Monday
MLK Day is becoming more and more a “day of service”, which is really cool, IMO.
Also, down to Half Moon Bay to buy more dungeness crabs
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
NINERS!!!
Also, SDSU (22) opens up agains UNLV (12) on NBCSP at 1pm (non-bias time).
and, Ernie Banks goes to the acupuncturist.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
What long weekend
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
(Sat) Niners at our hotel in Reno > Charlie Palmer’s for dinner > Tool show > gambling > drums/space >
(Sun) Back to Grass Valley > Louie Perez/David Hidalgo (Los Lobos) show > (Mon) Back to SF.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I also like listening to Public Enemy’s By the Time I get to Arizona on MLK day.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
/unpacks assumes Natto has no knowledge of MLK Jr.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
lol
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Skyrim, drinking, financial aid stuff
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
Mass Effect 2. Then working on Monday.
Somewhere in the middle of this I have a date, and more work for my second job to finish.
Seeing Lewis Black tonight.
Then football.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I'm glad there's still some rosterbating left to do
Gotta let the shaft out.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
For the record, I’m fine with Zito as a fifth starter.
You have a high tolerance for pain.
by betterthanbochy on Jan 13, 2012 2:38 PM PST reply actions
Zito has been serviceable in 3 of last 5 year. He had one bad year and was injured last year.
Just need to ignore the $120 million money bag sitting in the room
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 2:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I cannot believe
that Grant forgot about Boof
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 2:39 PM PST via Android app reply actions
If the Giants can get better, though, I’d like them to do it. They’re hovering in that 81-to-91-wins zone right now. Every extra push would be swell. And when you look at the roster, there aren’t a lot of easy fixes. There isn’t a free agent better than Brandon Crawford; there aren’t a lot of trade possibilities either. Any more outfielders will just mess with Brandon Belt’s playing time/roster spot. The lineup is spoken for.
There were, and I still want to be upset about that.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Not worth the risk/money
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 2:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I was most likely out of the country when that bomb of BLU-82 proportions was dropped. Just shocked more than anything. Not looking to argue.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
The “too risky” part has to do with weakening the bullpen. So any of his discussions/arguments with people about Affeldt/Lopez or even Beltran from the past 2 months will help show his opinion.
actually I was just talking about the risk of the FA SS available
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:09 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Oh, please no.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
He didn't even name anyone!
Did you just make a blanket statement that every SS on the market isn’t worth the risk/money?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Every player is too risky for the Giants. Every. Player. They’ve learned their lesson from past mistakes.
KNBR reporting on internet report of Giants interest in Fielder. (On Gary&Larry so grain-of-salt chaser.)
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I will either send CalBear a $50 Amazon GC or stop posting here altogether if the Giants sign Prince Fielder this off-season.
This will never happen (which, I assume, is your point), because the Giants think that they’re set at 1B.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Sorry for what? That you are not going to go away? ;-)
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
But, I would so miss your satire of “Optimistic Giants Fan Guy Who Loves the Front Office More than Life Itself”!
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
They are not going to play Prince at first base!
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
SS!
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 13, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Haha!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
It is Pavlovian at this point
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
which SS were you thinking of?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Hardy
Or trade for Bartlett before the 2010 season.
For less money than we gave Jeremy Affeldt, we could have had Carroll. He’s old, but the skill that makes him valuable is OBP anyway.
Or, my white whale, Mike Aviles. Could have traded for him mid-season last year.
There’s 3 better, completely achievable options that are better than Crawford, not too expensive, and not too risky.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'm wrong.
That’s 4 better options.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I thought we were talking about FAs.
Carroll is 39 and signed for way too much
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I would have much rather used the money on Carroll then on a second LOOGY.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
not the same discussion.
All I said was that there were no FA SS worth the risk and cost
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Shortstops we could have had with the Affeldt money.
1/$5
Alex Gonzalez 80 career OPS+
Nick Punto 76 career OPS+
Ramon Santiago 78 career OPS+
Yuniesky!
Crawford’s OPS+ = 66
So there’s 3 upgrades right there we could have had easily. None are injury prone.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford is better defenseively than all of them and cost 500K
Crawford is project to be as good or better than all those.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:34 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Zips –
Gonzalez: 81 OPS+
Santiago: 85 OPS+
Crawford: 70 OPS+
Gonzalez is a notoriously good defender (although by UZR he was only about average last year), and Santiago has been an above average defender at SS the last two years. I doubt Crawford’s defense is good enough to bring him on par with those two guys.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
As the mr. croft was fond of pointing out, for someone who often looks so good (and has the scouting report to back it up!)
Crawford makes a shit-ton of errors. And not just those that are the result of “I got to the ball that Jetah wouldn’t have been able to field.”
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He rated as +0.2 by ErrR.
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Yeah, this was less a quantitative comment, and more like “wow, his fielding percentage is pretty low for someone who’s supposed to be pretty good.”
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Yeah. A lot of them were throwing errors, right?
I am hoping that’s just jitters, or trying to do to much, but I obviously cannot use armchair philosophy as a defensible platform. My suspicion is that it will improve, but I can’t say I’ve heard much about his arm in the scouting reports.
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Yeah, I too recall a lot of them being throwing errors. And it seemed to me that a lot were on plays where he didn’t have to rush the throw at all; he just made a poor one.
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This is taking the argument a bit far.
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That’s not at all what has been said in this thread.
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I DON’T KNOW WHAT WE’RE YELLING ABOUT
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UNPACK UNPACK UNPACK
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.972 fielding percentage is middle of the pack for a shortstop. And his error totals were low to moderate in the minors.
Which isn’t congruent for how the rest of his game looks, which would be a top notch shortstop.
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Everyone has their bugaboo.
Pablo’s arm isn’t exactly laser-guided, either.
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Pablo’s worth to the team does not rely on being Ozzie Smith come again.
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Um.
Neither does Crawford’s. Like Pablo, his worth to the team relies on not sucking at baseball.
His UZR/150 pegged him at 8.2 for last season, so it’s not like the bad throws washed out his value. That’s close to a full win by itself, more like 2.5 when you consider replacement and positional value. Again, it’s still contingent on him being able to hit.
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I’d honestly be surprised if Crawford was north of 80 wRC+. And if he’s below that, he’s got to be an unbelievably good defensive shortstop to make up for the fact that he’s batting 3 times a game.
As an aside: Ozzie Smith career wRC+: 94. Hell, I’d be happy to get Vizquel’s career wRC+ (85).
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I think it’s possible. At the risk of slipping into “I believe my eyes,” I think Crawford has the mechanical tools to be a competent hitter relative to his position. But for whatever reason, the results have not been there and may never be there.
God speed, Joe Panik.
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His defense won’t outweigh his offensive deficiencies relative to those players.
If I am counting on him to match those, it’s because I think the will hit better than projected.
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We reportedly offered a contract to Gonzalez.
Just sayin’.
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Do you know a guy named aronofsky40?
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That's a low blow
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At least CalBear949 backs up his assertions, and doesn’t just say, “I don’t have to defend my position that water is not wet, because it’s just an opinion!”
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You mean like UZR?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Come on, he at least tries. He is not as bad as that guy. But, if you want to get all nit picky with me over it, whatever.
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I wasn’t getting nit-picky! Am I misremembering the argument where someone was trying to disregard UZR as “That’s like, just some guy’s opinion”? Was that something else?
In any case, it’s what I was going for. It wasn’t meant as a stab at Cal’s preference for oWAR.
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Sorry, that totally sounded bitchy. I just meant that anyone could probably take my generalized statement and find an exception. Being overly general was lazy, and I should know better. The “whatever” was more like, “but I’m still lazy so I’m not going to try to prove that I’m right!”
So, really, I’m as bad as the guy in the Bonds thread. ;-)
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I can’t really speak for the general camp that tends to line up against CalBear, as I think my opinions often overlap with his. But I do think he makes – at the very, very least – an honest effort at supporting his assertions, and obviously understands the burden of proof (lolawyer).
The other guy doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
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Of course he doesn't.
What would a brain in a vat do with a leg, anyway?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
That thread is amazing. Every time it works its way to the left margin, it gets all diagonal and off to no-nesting in the right margin.
It’s like bone fishing—you get the fish near the boat, it freaks and peels off 150 yards of line. You wrestle it back near the boat, and it does the same again.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I still weep for JJ Hardy
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As do I
Hardy would have been a good pickup.
There no FAs this year at SS that was worth the risk/money.
Reyes: Injury and too expensive
Rollins: Injury old and too expensive
Carroll: 39 and too expensive
Furcal: Made of glass, old, and 7 mil AAV
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:06 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
The MI and LHP reliever market were all jacked up
Oliver got 4 million. I remember when Affeldt was picked up for 5 mil, I read somewhere someone mentioned they thought Oliver could have been snapped up for 1 or 2 mil.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ha I just changed the subject
But… the point that MI market was all jacked up remains the same. Even Bloomquist got several mil.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
The difference is that Oliver has a good chance of being worth 4 million. I will eat my hat if Affeldt or Lopez are worth that.
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all indications
were that both Lopez and Affeldt would have gotten mores than Oliver
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
What indications?
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Those deals were so early in the off season, they may be the cause of the high prices for relievers.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I guess? That doesn’t strike me as particularly convincing though.
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most of the analysis
talked about Affeldt and Lopez to be the top lefty relievers had they hit the open market
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:49 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
What analysis?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
mlbtraderumor
ESPN
I am on the phone so I can’t link the articles.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Both of those sites have wide ranges of reliability, so I’ll wait for your articles.
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TV Money
I keep reading about all these teams reaping windfall TV profits which they plan to use for big free agent signings. Texas, Dodgers, Miami, etc. Why aren’t the Gs able to get more money out of Comcast or set up their own network?
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They are making money from CSNBA. They had the highest ratings ever last season.
They just aren’t spending it.
Also, the Giants own part of CSN.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
2 + 2 = 4
Bonds cheated.
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Your mother!
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That's just like, some guy's opinion.
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The article could have been
I want to sign Kuroda because
2. Signing him would cheese the Dodgers off. Their fans, too.
THE END
Blerg
admittingly the 2 would look weird in that article
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
admattingly, taking 2 trips to the mound is against the rules
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Oh man are you guys following @skyrimmom
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LOL – that’s pretty great.
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What is one legitimate downside of a playoff system?
“Well the contention over No. 4 or No. 5 to me will always be a downside just the contention in the NCAA tournament between 60 and however many they have now and 68 and 69 [teams]. You also have to think about can fans travel to a quarterfinal in Miami one week, a semifinal in Pasadena the next week and back to Phoenix for a final next week.”
That is the NCAA president. Tell me how contention over number 4 or 5 ranking is worse then contention of which two teams should be in the ONLY game that decides who the National Champion is? Also, the fans will travel for their teams. I think that is pretty obvious.
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Their goal is to make money.
Much as they might pretend otherwise. That they’d resist this change – especially in the light of the March Madness expansion to 68 teams – strikes me as ludicrous.
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and if it's just four teams
Isn’t there only a semi-final and final?
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Ha.
Good catch.
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Baseball pulls less casual fans because they play so many games in RS and playoffs
The college WS dropped double elimination in the finals, to have a FINAL game that everyone could watch and know the winner is the champion.
Games 163 in a season probably rate so well, this 2 WC format is just a way to force having 2 game 163s a year.
I am not as mad as I was previously about it. Win your division, and you don’t have to worry. Also gives the 1 seed a small advantage, since the WC team likely had to use their best starter for the game, leaving their number 2 as game 1 and 5 guy.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
...Thanks?
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Baggs just emailed me.
We’re basically besties.
Seriously, though, I asked him a question and he emailed right back. I was kind of surprised.
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He's responded to a few of my questions
I don’t always agree with him, but he’s a good dude.
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by troymccluresf on Jan 13, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I like his blogs from ST. Seems like a real nice guy.
I also think Schulman unfairly gets a bit of a bad rap, but that’s a whole different can of worms.
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Coming off a .225 rookie season, Belt must excel in Cactus League exhibitions just to have a chance to start either in left field or at first base. But I believe that he’s capable of sustaining the kind of effort that would earn him a job.
Yup.
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Chris Haft! MLB writer with the Giants beat.
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Some kid they hired to hold up Bochy's belt.
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LOL batting average!
Let’s just ignore the 101 OPS+ he put up last year…
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H8er
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to be fair, that's just Chris Haft's opinion
His opinion is usually ass.
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If he's the beat writer on MLB.com is he closer to the org than other beat writers?
Just curious
Sundrendy!
Well
as the beat writer for MLB.com, he’s on MLB payroll, which necessarily changes the focus of his reporting.
Regardless of his level of access, Baggarly and Schulman are more reliable as objective sources. I know from friends who have communicated with Haft that what he publishes publicly and feels privately are not necessarily the same.
I think they have roughly the same amount of capital when it comes to access; Haft is just expected to tow the company line, as it were.
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This
What I read by Baer, Bochy and Sabean November ish was Belt was at 1B, Huff needed to work his butt off and be ready for LF.
But, until spring, I will just hope Cain gets locked up.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 13, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
God, those questions were terrible.
Does he pick the stupid ones just to look (relatively) smart or are most fans that dumb?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
The one asking about Manny really blows my mind.
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For fuck's sake
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't even bother reading anything from Chris Haft
It’s either unfounded opinion or news I get 2 hours before he reports from other sources. He simply adds zero value whatsoever. Actually, because he’s wrong so often, he adds negative value.
He is below replacement level beat writer / blogger. It reminds me of 22G.
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He's regressed since 2008
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Aubrey Huff had an 1.084 OPS last spring training!
Belt’s was .817, which is right at the .800 mark he had playing 1st base during the regular season..
The Giants hierarchy would prefer to see him(Huff) at first base rather than at one of the outfield corners.
I don’t know why Sabean said he prefers to keep Belt at first and have Huff in left then. Belt is clearly more comfortable at first and does better at the plate when he plays there.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Belt is clearly more comfortable at first and does better at the plate when he plays there.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
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I’m just going by what others have said. I’m sure he could settle into left field, but he is the “future at first base”, right?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
He was re-learning LF last year, but there are some people here who would prefer that he could stay in a corner to make room for Posey or someone else to take over at 1B.
All the same, speckops’ point was really addressed. Given the sample coincidental correlation is a very strong possibility, so saying he is “clearly more comfortable” is dicey at best.
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Fine, “clearly” is unfounded.
April 13, 2011|Henry Schulman
“I talked to Brandon about it,” Bochy said. "He really played right field more than anything until he went to school at Texas. He said, ’I’m comfortable out there.’ "
Of course this is high school, and Bochy was trying to justify putting Huff back at first.
Belt had to switch positions mid-season. That had to have been distracting and uncomfortable for him.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think there is some research to support that players with regular playing time, particularly without having to move around, hit better. If we want to play armchair philosopher, it’s plausible that having to worry about playing the OF was distracting and detrimental; however, it’s equally likely that he will be more comfortable there this year, so whether he is at 1B or a corner is probably not particularly critical.
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But is 1st base a more “natural position” for him?
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
TGIF
Hayzoose Kreestoh.
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jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
The #Mariners are moving closer to a trade for a young impact hitter, two baseball sources confirmed.
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The Prince Who Was Promised, Azor Ahai reborn.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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The Mariners have moved closer to a trade that would net them a “young impact hitter,” reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. A source calls the trade “significant” and says Brandon League is not part of the deal (both links via Twitter).
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Gaby Sanchez
Jayson Heyward
Michael Young
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Belt for Chone Figgins
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 4:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
/finished with the GIants
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 13, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
They already have Smoak penciled in for 1B right?
My guess is an OF or someone for the left side of the infield.
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Nelson Cruz!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
POSEY FOR ICHIRO
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I was hoping for Montero
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by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 4:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
lol
Jon Heyman Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 41s
Yankees and red sox had been talking to seattle about king felix. Sea told yanks “no” on felix. Yanks also inquired on pineda
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I wonder if this is the other side of the Crasnick rumor
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don't care
what they offer, they can’t have Zeets!
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Pretty sure if the Mariners have both Justin Smoak and Jesus Montero one of them will stab the other dead
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Damn
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 3m
Sea does have deal according to @jcrasnick. @stonelarry hearing rumblings it MAY involve pineda and montero
I think the Mariners may regret trading Pineda
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Isn't Montero supposed to be one of those psuedo prospects?
Not gonna stick at C and as a DH he may just be good or average?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'm too lazy
I remember reading that DHs were pretty terrible part way through last year (or maybe the year before). What happened during recent seasons overall for DHs?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Not sure I like that for Seattle.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I think it would be a really bad move for them.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Montero seems really overrated. Pineda is already good.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This is my belief.
Pineda may only get better, and he is already really freaking good.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
eh young pitchers are young pitchers
And Pineda’s second half wasn’t quite as hot. A 1 for 1 swap is kinda meh for the Mariners; if they can get Montero+, though, that’d be great.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
eh screw it…
Shift-A
wuzzup?
Saints score 20 touchdowns yet?
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According to every analyst ever, they are starting the game with 25 points already scored.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
That’s kinda the vibe I was hearing [from the radio blowhards] as I was driving around today.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Basically
They are saying no matter what the Saints will score 25+ points and the 49er offense is not built to compete with that. Totally ignoring any defense.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
bUT LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO TEH LIONZ!!!111
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
a team that didn't even bother covering WRs
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the early game tomorrow.
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Pretty close to kickoff but blowhards are sneaky
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
From the comments of Sullivan's Bonds thread:
Also in 2004 (617 PA), Bonds had a SwStr% of 4%. That means he swung and missed at 25 pitches. He hit 45 home runs.
He swung and missed 25 pitches. HE HIT 45 HOME RUNS.
Giants Baseball: The road here was paved with good intentions.
by atxgiantsfan
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Is that shitfest still going on?
My favorite is the year he had a 6:1 BB/K ratio. What the everlasting fuck.
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
montero is traded for pineda
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
trade involves more players than that tho. @StoneLarry suggested it first
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
i sure hope the Ms are getting more
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
FELIX IS OUR AND YOU CAN'T HAVE HIM
But you can have his little brother for a discount!
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I really like it when the Mariners do things because then Sullivan writes about them
If there’s a second legit MLB starter in this trade, I like it for the Mariners. And I kinda like it for NY either way.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I’m the only one who think the Mariners won this deal (not knowing much about the lesser players involved, admittedly). But I think Montero is pretty damn good— problem for the Yanks was he probably won’t be a catcher and they don’t have anywhere else to play him. Not such a problem for the Mariners.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2012 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
So do they stick him at first and move Smoak?
Or make him a full-time DH?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Smoak to the OF if need be?
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I’d guess they try some different stuff but eventually Montero’s a DH… and I don’t think it will matter much. His bat is going to be enough to make him really valuable, even there.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Also
Jeff Sullivan makes a good point (shocked gasps! (not really))— you know who really lost this trade? Prince Fielder. Also, Scott Boras. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2012 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
THREE DAY WEEKEND
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOL YANKEE FAN
Should Yankees fans be happy?
Right now we’re really angry. We reeeeeeeally like Montero.
by Brandon C. on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM PST reply actions
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
lol dum
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Also
Here’s hoping that Pineda sucks.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I have no idea how the Yankees should be handling prospects
I feel like they should be in “WIN NOW” mode before ARod, Texeira, and the rest completely disintegrate, but you could say that about them just about every year. They’re a weird anomaly.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
what a bunch of entitled, window licking , self absorbed dickwads
kinda like this guy
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Sorry to bother you folks
But can someone give a Yankees fan a reason to like this trade? We hate it, looks like you hate it, what’s going on?
by Brandon C. on Jan 13, 2012 4:45 PM PST reply actions
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I was just talking to a professor yesterday who's been a longtime Yankees fan
And we talked separately about how the Yankees needed better starting pitching and how Montero would end up getting traded eventually (b/c that DH spot is going to be for the LOLD players on their team).
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Tomorrow’s lottery numbers please?
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
4, 7, 2?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Holy crap this may be pretty terrible
Greg Johns:
No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Who the fuck
is Hector Noesi?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Stop being so noesi.
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/hangs head in shame
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
You knew it was coming!
/waits
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Narm
Overall, Noesi’s ceiling is most likely a middle or back end of the rotation type of starter at the big league level unless one of his breaking balls can improve. He will eat innings and command his fastball well, but his upside is related to the quality of his offspeed pitches. However, he still has time to work on that, and when he reaches the big leagues, I’m sure his pitching coaches will help him find a way to improve them.
(from Pinstripe Alley)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=noesi-001hec
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/01/prospect-profile-hector-noesi-40596/
Sundrendy!
he should pitch well in SafeCo
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Bleh.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
So Pineda for a DH and filler
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
And Campos is a good get for NY as well.
This really makes no sense. Z must really think highly of Montero. If this is true though, why didn’t they just trade Lee for Montero 2 years ago?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
hmmmm
Pinstripe Alley really likes Noesi, but Campos for Noesi seems pretty close to a wash – I guess the Mariners can plan for Noesi to take a spot in the rotation this year. So yeah it’s Pineda for Montero+insurance, basically.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 13, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Well they just have to ride it out until 2013 when they sign Lincecum right?
/goes back to sobbing corner
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Lincecum won't sign with the Yankees.
No long hair, remember?
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
All indications are he will not stick at C though.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Yeah
That’s what I was trying to say, is there any way he can match the potential value of Pineda at DH
Sundrendy!
Sickels gives Montero an A grade in spite of his defense. he says his bat is that strong.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't really see it
The International League average line was 260/.329/.400/.729 in 2011
Montero hit: .288/.348/.467/.814 Not exactly earth shattering.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
.289/.353/.517/.870? It’s consistent. I will give him that. And he is young.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
it seems it was a case of being disappointed in being back in the minors, so he struggled a bit. The tools are still there.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Age relative to league.
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Pineda put up 3.4fWAR in 2011
Assuming his ceiling is 5 fWARish, considering he only started 28 times last year, Montero would have to hit something like a .400+ wOBA as a DH to get near to that. That’s something like a 157 wrc+
Sundrendy!
KLaw really likes him too, IIRC
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'll be interested to see what he has to say about the deal.
Though the “club sources” seem to think the Yankees made a steal.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
OT: oh my goodness
One of the "other articles that may interest you" headline/links at the bottom of that page:
Man decapitated when wood chipper sucks up rope
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
I saw that headline, I was afraid to click on it.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Same here.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yanks also signed Kuroda?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 5:24 PM PST reply actions
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
Big night for the Yankees. They have agreed to a 1-year deal with Kuroda, pending a physical. Deal will be between $10 and $11 million.
1/10 is a steal.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Fuck.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No way Oswalt gets more than that now
WHITE WHALE!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Sabathia/Pineda/Kuroda/Burnett/Nova/Colon?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Diamondbacks are looking at Colon, apparently.
Hughes or maybe Garcia.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
They are doing a Colonoscopy?
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Oh. I thought I read that he re-signed with the Yanks. Was probably Garcia.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Damnnnnn
Well that helps
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Clearly
Grant secretly wishes he writes for Pinstripes Alley
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 13, 2012 5:55 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
LOL WOW
From @YankeesWFAN
Was told SEA wanted Nova instead of Noesi but Yanks wouldn’t give. SEA eventually agreed on Noesi.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Lookout Landing seems to like it
I think I’m more upset about losing Campos than Pineda, to be honest.
by Cascadian Man on Jan 13, 2012 5:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
lol
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 5:52 PM PST reply actions
To be fair
I understand where that’s coming from. They mean it just like we did when we were angry we gave up Verdugo in the Cabrera trade.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
This team should not be allowed to trade for people named "Cabrera."
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
LOL this Bixby character. Some call him "Grantstradamus".
The Yankees Will Get Another Starting Pitcher
Hiroki Kuroda, Roy Oswalt, and Edwin Jackson…The Yankees absolutely will sign one of them. It’s the Baseball Nation Lock of the Week™
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Wow
Sabathia, Pineda, Kuroda, Burnett, Nova is pretty fucking good.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I know
Everybody is fucked.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
OSWALT!!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think my favorite part is that CalBear can't say the Yankees rotation sucks anymore
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Y’all’re gonna turn me into a CalBear apologist.
Jeezum crow.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
In fairness he does say HERP DERP quite often
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This doesn’t really seem necessary.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Sorry. It's a bit much on my part. Not usually this much of a jerk
Just because it’s been grating on me, doesn’t mean I have the right to be like that.
_____
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
EVERY TEAM HAS QUESTION MARKS
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AP – The Yankees have declined the club option on question marks, paying a $60 million buyout and making question marks an unrestricted free agent. The Pirates, Royals, and Rockies are among the clubs that have indicated interest.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
WHAT WILL THEY DO WITH THEIR OWN QUESTION MARKS?
I THOUGHT QUESTION MARKS WAS A LEGENDARY CARD TYPE HOW CAN YOU HAVE TWO INSTANCES AT THE SAME TIME
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Mr. Marks was unavailable for comment
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 13, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT A COMMUNIST
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I BET YOU EXPECTED ME TO TAKE A DIFFERENT ENGEL THERE DIDN'T YOU
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Au contraire!
I sent the club a wire stating,
PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION.
I DON’T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB
THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
And neither were his brothers.
Satisfied?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Thanks Willie!
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
o/\o
High five!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they certainly addressed their rotation issues.
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if the repairs came just in time to see the Yankees offense finally and undeniably go over the LOLD cliff?
On a related (and obvious, especially if you saw my performance in the vatbrain debate) note, I really hope A-Rod doesn’t have enough in the tank to catch Barry.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
Doubt it.
Injuries and mediocrity will catch up with him.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 4m
With pineda and kuroda, #yankees have 6 viable starting pitchers (and I am not counting aj burnett as viable)
Jeff Sullivan Jeff Sullivan @LookoutLanding
@JonHeymanCBS lol
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Sabathia
Pineda
Kuroda
Nova
Hughes
Garcia
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Yah Im confused
Does Heyman think Colon is still with them?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Guess Who Just Weighed In On The Barry/Vatbrain Debate!
I’ll give you a (second) hint: he is amazed by our blind mass acceptance of the big lie.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 6:26 PM PST reply actions
Oh Snap Now It's On
We’re up to the Reproof Valiant and are well on our way to the Lie Direct!
aronofsky40 vs giantsrainman!
WHO YA GOT?!?
11 01 10
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
OT: LOL wrong.
Transcripts of Fed meetings from 2006 were released after the standard 5-year delay.
Some Fed officials argued that a housing slowdown would be good for the broader economy.
"I really believe that the drop in housing is actually on net going to make liquidity available for other sectors rather than being a drain going forward, and that will also get the growth rate more positive," Ms. Bies told colleagues at the committee’s June meeting. Ms. Bies could not be reached for comment Thursday.
And even Ms. Yellen did not believe that the problems in the housing market would have broader consequences. "Of course, housing is a relatively small sector of the economy, and its decline should be self-correcting," she said.
…
For the Fed 2006 began with the departure of Mr. Greenspan, who presided in January over his final meeting as Fed chairman and was then widely regarded as the epitome of a central banker, a master who had guided the American economy through almost 20 years of remarkably consistent growth.
"I’d like the record to show that I think you’re pretty terrific, too," Mr. Geithner said in adding his voice to the chorus of tributes at that final meeting. "And thinking in terms of probabilities, I think the risk that we decide in the future that you’re even better than we think is higher than the alternative."
Ms. Yellen said: "It’s fitting for Chairman Greenspan to leave office with the economy in such solid shape. The situation you’re handing off to your successor is a lot like a tennis racquet with a gigantic sweet spot."
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 13, 2012 7:28 PM PST reply actions
You're calling them to finish below .500?
That doesn’t strike you as a bit pessimistic? They beat that despite everything in 2011.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 14, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry...
Grant, I may be in a great minority, but the constant complaints displayed here (and on a regular basis) are the main reason I don’t regular this blog like I do over at Niners Nation. Everytime I come here all I see is whining and complaining because you aren’t getting what you want. It is very tiring.
For the record, I am comfortable with the Giants roster. Last year wasn’t even that bad (still a winning season) and the failure was due to injury, not lack of talent. Also, this team needs speed and defense much more than power, and that has clearly been addressed this offseason. Just because they don’t bash with other teams doesn’t mean they have to. In this ballpark with this pitching staff, I agree w/ the Giants front office and their approach. Prioritize defense and speed to supplement the pitching. Also, they only have the money they have. Like it or not, we’re still tied to contracts with Zito and Rowand. Its tough to do much with that on your books and the impending increases to Cain, Lincecum & Sandoval.
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Regarding Alex Smith doubters: I told you so.
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
Grant,
I too agree that we should ignore conclusions drawn upon over a century of statistical analysis.
Furthermore, there need to be more “YAAAAAAY GIANTS ARE TEH BESTEST” human-interest posts and comments, because striving towards improvement is for suckers.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 15, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
For everyone statistical conclusion, there is another statistical conclusion that can contradict it. Also, it is still human opinion that deciphers what it means. And anyway, this is about attitude, not statistics.
Do you work for the Giants front office? No? Than stop “striving” for improvement when you have no power in that roll. You don’t have to be irrationally fanboy (i.e. your “TEH GIANTS ARE TEH BESTEST”) to not be whiny and pessimistic. This blog is filled with completely irrational pessimism.
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Regarding Alex Smith doubters: I told you so.
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
Says the guy who, by his own admission, does not "regular this blog."
“You should change this blog I do not visit.”
“Only Giants employees may consider ways to improve the Giants!”
Funny that we’re the ones accused of irrational whining. Do you really think the Rowand and Zito signings were not only defensible but shouldn’t even need to be defended outside of the Giants front office?
So thinking of ways to improve the team is stupid. Discussing ways that events could play out any way but the way they do is stupid. Irrational fanboyism is out, as is irrational pessimism. Let me guess, you’re also of the opinions that only athletes can judge other athletes, and movie reviews should just be plot summary.
What then, exactly, ARE you looking for out of this blog? Content aggregation? Links without commentary? “Ah-yup, that happened. Yessir. Hope things go well for us,” rinsed and repeated through March?
One of the first descriptions that comes to my mind about MCC is “intense love.” Another is “whip-fucking-smart.” (Third, of course, is “TWSS.”) You don’t like it? You only see whiny, irrational pessimism? Fine. Make a case for optimism and be prepared to back it up with data. Do it right, and you’ll find plenty of people in your corner. Don’t just come here to take an irrational, whiny shit on us for being irrational and whiny.
Go 49ers.
(And PS, I have plenty of power in my roll. Just not on Shabbos.)
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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 16, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Look man...
I do regular this blog as a reader, but I choose not to contribute because I find it (and many of the contributors) far too negative. Do I agree with the Zito and Rowand contracts? Hell no. Do I wish they weren’t so grossly overpaid? Of course. That doesn’t mean I dwell on it and complain every passing day. I also never disowned either of them like so many Giants fans have (which does not mean I wasn’t cursing everytime Rowand missed a slider or Zito threw a beach ball to Matt Kemp).
Discussing sports teams does not have to always be this incessant need to complain about the flaws 90% of the time and only mention the strengths 10% of the time.
I’m not telling anyone to change, but I felt it was worth pitching in my $0.02. I would just like to see less worry, less pessimism, and more balance. I really just don’t see balance around here. That’s all. I love the Giants and my fellow Giants fans. Sometimes I just wonder if Grant ever takes a breather and smells the flowers or something, haha.
Go 49ers indeed! And of course, go SF Giants (had to toss in the “SF” this week).
(Lol @ your “power” & link).
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Regarding Alex Smith doubters: I told you so.
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
Do a barrel roll!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The Giants, as constructed, should be an interesting team. A flawed team that missed opportunities to improve, but an interesting team that should contend.
If you disagree with this, fine. But, seriously, it’s not whining. It’s completely appropriate. It’s fair, it’s honest … there’s even a glimmer of optimism in there. They should contend. Brandon Belt probably isn’t going to be on the roster. Melky Cabrera will hit fifth or something. It’s all true. And they should contend.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t have an issue with that statement in of itself. My comment was more of a big picture thing. But I want to qualify my statements: I think you do a very good job. It was more aimed as constructive criticism, simply due to a strong difference in attitude.
Alex Smith went from "We Want Carr!" to "The Catch 3."
SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Regarding Alex Smith doubters: I told you so.
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.
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